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Post by chokoraa on Jul 10, 2011 13:35:34 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Orengo+attack+personal+replies+livid+Lumumba+/-/1064/1197502/-/gwh4d4z/-/index.htmlMy dear Prof. PLO, It is clear that there is corruption not only in this ministry, but others and other parastatals too. I will advise you on what to do. Silently and secretly carry out your investigations in this, and other ministries, get evidence and prosecute these people implicated. When you take them to the dock we will make sure they resign their jobs and will not hold any public office until you're done with them, and they will only come back if they're exonerated without any further doubt. This is what all Kenyans are waiting for you to do, and because they support you, they pay you millions every month in the hope that you will do this. Demonstrating on the streets against corruption is not part of this job.It is not part of Kenyans expectation of you, because they have GIVEN YOU THE POWER TO ACT ON CORRUPTION.Leave the demonstration to the activists. This is what james orengo did in the 70's through to the 90's, when my dear PLO you were protecting the perpetrators of this corrupt system, which you know you started doing straight from your university days. Look how far we are comparing you with james orengo on this. You've lost it. Get a life and do your job. Meanwhile, your demo to the lands office is just as empty as your big words.
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Post by mzee on Jul 10, 2011 14:28:55 GMT 3
Some of us have always maintained that PLO is a bag of talk and no substance. There are plenty of issues he can deal with instead of engaging in demonstrations. Besides, if he thinks that there is corruption at the ministry of lands, he has all the instruments to investigate and prosecute the culprits.
But here we have a situation where the man is going round town demonstrating instead of working. As far as I know, he promised that "high voltage" files would soon reach the AG from himself. This was supposed to happen at the start of his term. I can confirm that nothing has happened.
If he just looked at KACC archives he would find so many corruption cases that have not been solved eg Anglo leasing, Triton, Grand Regency, Maize scandal just to name a few. In otherwords, there is work to be done. Where does he get time to waste time demonstrating.
This guy PLO is a joke. As per now, there is no difference between him and Ringera before him.
OBS! Just the other day he came out and promised fraudsters that he would forgive them if they returned the stolen loot. Two weeks ago the money laundering fugitive Gichuru approached him on the issue. He was shocked to learn that there was no law on amnesty and that PLO could not forgive his crimes. Bure kabisa.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 10, 2011 17:50:06 GMT 3
Lumumba sounds so insecure and just utterly stupid. He is whining that Orengo's background in democratic struggles when he Lumumba was in bed with Moi should not be used as an excuse. Of course it is not an excuse for corruption in the Ministry of lands. But Lumumba is paid to get corrupt people in whatever ministry arrested and charged for their activities. Lumumba is not paid to make useless speeches and write letters when he is challenged to act and stop his increasingly boring theatrics.
Did Orengo stop Lumumba from carrying out investigations in the ministry? If there are corrupt people in the ministry of land that Lumumba and the KACC are aware of why have they not been investigated and arrested? Who is stopping Lumumba from doing his job in relation to the ministry of land or any other ministry? Lumumba is not paid to ask so and so to resign as he has been doing with education minister and the PS. He is paid to investigate them and hold them accountable. When is this man going to start doing his job?
What happened to the investigation in the Foreign Affairs ministry? Why hasn't Lumumba even bothered to give an update on where things stand? Instead Lumumba struts around talking rubbish non stop.
I am one of those who gave Lumumba the benefit of doubt thinking he had matured and had some integrity to protect given his high titles and all. Instead Lumumba has turned into a complete joke. He has completetly exposed himself as the fraud many people thought he is. This man is a disgrace to the country and I think it is time we declared a total war on Lumumba the way we did with Ringera. We should take him on from air, land and sea. It shall be done.
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Post by chokoraa on Jul 11, 2011 0:02:26 GMT 3
Lumumba sounds so insecure and just utterly stupid. He is whining that Orengo's background in democratic struggles when he Lumumba was in bed with Moi should not be used as an excuse. Of course it is not an excuse for corruption in the Ministry of lands. But Lumumba is paid to get corrupt people in whatever ministry arrested and charged for their activities. Lumumba is not paid to make useless speeches and write letters when he is challenged to act and stop his increasingly boring theatrics. Did Orengo stop Lumumba from carrying out investigations in the ministry? If there are corrupt people in the ministry of land that Lumumba and the KACC are aware of why have they not been investigated and arrested? Who is stopping Lumumba from doing his job in relation to the ministry of land or any other ministry? Lumumba is not paid to ask so and so to resign as he has been doing with education minister and the PS. He is paid to investigate them and hold them accountable. When is this man going to start doing his job? What happened to the investigation in the Foreign Affairs ministry? Why hasn't Lumumba even bothered to give an update on where things stand? Instead Lumumba struts around talking rubbish non stop. I am one of those who gave Lumumba the benefit of doubt thinking he had matured and had some integrity to protect given his high titles and all. Instead Lumumba has turned into a complete joke. He has completetly exposed himself as the fraud many people thought he is. This man is a disgrace to the country and I think it is time we declared a total war on Lumumba the way we did with Ringera. We should take him on from air, land and sea. It shall be done. Even his so called big words and oratory skills are just crammed from several quotations books. This man is a fraud, a real one and a clever one at that. |
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Post by tnk on Jul 11, 2011 0:42:11 GMT 3
== == Prof Lumumba was particularly keen to point out that the commission had no powers to prosecute. “We investigate, but we don’t prosecute. Prosecutions were mounted by the AG until the recent appointment of DPP.” == is this guy serious? did he just suddenly stumble on this revelation? what exactly did he think he was going to do as director of KACC when he applied for the job? conduct demonstrations for 2.5m a month? if that is the case, then he needs to do at least 20 demonstrations a day every day monday to friday in every part of the country to justify the salary www.nation.co.ke/News/Last+chance+to+surrender+that+stolen+wealth+/-/1056/1198362/-/14csviez/-/index.html |
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Post by kelly on Jul 11, 2011 6:46:01 GMT 3
That's the fraud for you guys to digest! Wosrt of all unlike Wako he can't hide his true personality and character...the Moi so called orphans. Just check the Ruto's Uhuru's et al...their ways are set
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Post by merlin on Jul 11, 2011 11:08:45 GMT 3
Lumumba sounds so insecure and just utterly stupid. He is whining that Orengo's background in democratic struggles when he Lumumba was in bed with Moi should not be used as an excuse. Of course it is not an excuse for corruption in the Ministry of lands. But Lumumba is paid to get corrupt people in whatever ministry arrested and charged for their activities. Lumumba is not paid to make useless speeches and write letters when he is challenged to act and stop his increasingly boring theatrics. Did Orengo stop Lumumba from carrying out investigations in the ministry? If there are corrupt people in the ministry of land that Lumumba and the KACC are aware of why have they not been investigated and arrested? Who is stopping Lumumba from doing his job in relation to the ministry of land or any other ministry? Lumumba is not paid to ask so and so to resign as he has been doing with education minister and the PS. He is paid to investigate them and hold them accountable. When is this man going to start doing his job? What happened to the investigation in the Foreign Affairs ministry? Why hasn't Lumumba even bothered to give an update on where things stand? Instead Lumumba struts around talking rubbish non stop. I am one of those who gave Lumumba the benefit of doubt thinking he had matured and had some integrity to protect given his high titles and all. Instead Lumumba has turned into a complete joke. He has completetly exposed himself as the fraud many people thought he is. This man is a disgrace to the country and I think it is time we declared a total war on Lumumba the way we did with Ringera. We should take him on from air, land and sea. It shall be done. I fully agree with Adongo; Patrick Lumumba turns out to be the wrong man to manage the KACC and should be replaced. I often have been sitting in the audience of Patrick Lumumba and admired not only his eloquent speech skills though most of the time was inspired by the contents of his speech when he appealed to honesty, transparency and fighting impunity. I think he is an upright person meaning well for the new Kenya though misses the talents and skills to give directions to the KACC. He could become aware that leading an organisation requires more than good intentions and inspiring speeches. To save himself embarrassment and walking the road to a burn-out - like Ringera and Kiviuti – he should timely request for a replacement and use his talents in a more appropriate environment. |
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Post by Dumekenya on Jul 11, 2011 12:20:12 GMT 3
Hawa ni wale wale, they eat from the same plate and table what different thing did you expect from them. The style and the coats the wear are one and the same thing since the days in memorial. Not until when we will have wiped out the entire regime and re-energize it with entirely new blood then we should not ever dream of getting rid of corruption out of Kenya.
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Post by kamalet on Jul 11, 2011 12:25:40 GMT 3
Orengo needs to acknowledge that his ministry is a den of corruption and deal with it. Why title approvals have been structured according to amounts where he only approves those titles where the stamp duty excedes a certain amount and the amounts go down depending on the level of the approvers from the PS, to the Lands commissioner and his minion is something that Orengo needs to come clean on - for that is the main gripe the lawyers had!
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Post by destiny on Jul 11, 2011 12:55:01 GMT 3
It's comical and clownish for this robotic talking head called PLO to join demos against lands ministry or any other ministry when he can't even use the few tools at his disposal. KACC websites just shows hundreds of speeches he has delivered but few action that he has taken against well known big thieves. Orengo is right, Kenyans want less drama and futile promises but more action on the corrupt. PLO is turning out to be far worse than Ringera who was at least honest and admitted we pray for corruption to end since he was not up to the job. It's now over 2 months since PLO promised a "big announcement" but he's since gone mute. What happened to investigations on 4 cabinet ministers and 45 heads of parastatals on possible corruption charges? Reading the Nation's website comments on PLO's hot air shows many Kenyans are getting fed up after paying this guy over Sh 2 million per month (500k per week!!) to just sit down and whine about like a hungry cow. Shut up your big mouth and useless vocabularies Bwana PLO, leave street demos to Omtata>>>>>>> and do your bloody job>>>>>OR just resign!
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Post by mzee on Jul 11, 2011 15:08:33 GMT 3
Orengo needs to acknowledge that his ministry is a den of corruption and deal with it. Why title approvals have been structured according to amounts where he only approves those titles where the stamp duty excedes a certain amount and the amounts go down depending on the level of the approvers from the PS, to the Lands commissioner and his minion is something that Orengo needs to come clean on - for that is the main gripe the lawyers had! What Orengo is saying is that if there is corruption in his ministry PLO has the liberty to investigate and bring charges before the court of law. But instead of doing this the man is demonstrating in the streets as if that's part of the investigation. If there is a problem with the issues you mentioned above PLO should pounce mara moja. Lakini we know that he will never do that for he is better at talking that working. Bure kabisa. |
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Post by nalinali on Jul 11, 2011 16:10:43 GMT 3
It is the right time to explore the technicalities involved in replacing PLO. All indications are that HE IS A FLOP. For corruption to be tackled PLO has to leave that office whatever it takes the mwananchi to force him out.
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Post by chokoraa on Jul 11, 2011 16:11:43 GMT 3
Orengo needs to acknowledge that his ministry is a den of corruption and deal with it. Why title approvals have been structured according to amounts where he only approves those titles where the stamp duty excedes a certain amount and the amounts go down depending on the level of the approvers from the PS, to the Lands commissioner and his minion is something that Orengo needs to come clean on - for that is the main gripe the lawyers had! What Orengo is saying is that if there is corruption in his ministry PLO has the liberty to investigate and bring charges before the court of law. But instead of doing this the man is demonstrating in the streets as if that's part of the investigation. If there is a problem with the issues you mentioned above PLO should pounce mara moja. Lakini we know that he will never do that for he is better at talking that working. Bure kabisa. Kamale, I agree with your sentiments. But I'd like to stress that PLO does not have the liberty to investigate and charge. PLO actually has the DUTY, Or MANDATE to investigate these people and charge them in a court of law. We pay him for doing this duty and not for running around the streets like some headless chicken. |
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Post by mzee on Jul 11, 2011 17:14:58 GMT 3
Kamale,What Orengo is saying is that if there is corruption in his ministry PLO has the liberty to investigate and bring charges before the court of law. But instead of doing this the man is demonstrating in the streets as if that's part of the investigation. If there is a problem with the issues you mentioned above PLO should pounce mara moja. Lakini we know that he will never do that for he is better at talking that working. Bure kabisa. Kamale, I agree with your sentiments. But I'd like to stress that PLO does not have the liberty to investigate and charge. PLO actually has the DUTY, Or MANDATE to investigate these people and charge them in a court of law. We pay him for doing this duty and not for running around the streets like some headless chicken. We need him to do the necessary. Kelele mingi for nothing is not helpful. |
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Post by mzee on Jul 11, 2011 17:18:47 GMT 3
It is the right time to explore the technicalities involved in replacing PLO. All indications are that HE IS A FLOP. For corruption to be tackled PLO has to leave that office whatever it takes the mwananchi to force him out. I don't think he should be removed, we just want him to be serious. That's all |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 11, 2011 18:59:08 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/Last+chance+to+surrender+that+stolen+wealth+/-/1056/1198362/-/14csviez/-/index.htmlThen there is this amnesty talk that Lumumba keeps bringing up. I am all for reclaiming stolen property but I asked a question some time back. Who gave Lumumba and the KACC the powers to offer amnesty to thieves as long as they return the loot? What is the legal framework for this amnesty thing of Lumumba? What does Lumumba do after the thieves return stuff? Does he issue them a certificate of amnesty? How will Lumumba know that the thieves have returned everything they stole? If one stole 10,000 acres or more like Moi, Lumumba's friend, can he return may be just one acre and get the amnesty from Lumumba? How about those who refuse to return, what will Lumumba do? Lumumba is simply joking around. If he was serious he would have worked with the minister of justice and the AG's office to formulate a legal framework to offer a break to those who voluntarily return stolen property with a caveat that those who fail to do so if caught will face jail time and have the property seized. Even the thieves need an incentive. In fact the biggest incentive would be if Lumumba was kicking ass and getting people charged and facing jail. The thieves would be shaking in their boots and asking Lumumba if they can just return public property and get some leniency. Instead Lumumba is doing nothing to scare land thieves like Moi an now he wants to beg them to return land and other properties or else! They must be laughing their heads off. You can't scare anybody with hot air. They know nothing will happen if they don't return stolen property why would they bother to return them. Lumumba should stop taking Kenyans for a ride. If there is need to go the amnesty way, which has not even been discussed and agreed upon by Kenyans, let's do it with a little seriousness. Lumumba should not make himself some tin god to forgive thieves and sinners. That is not the job he is paid to do.
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Post by bkichwa on Jul 11, 2011 20:14:03 GMT 3
I remember as well as some have mentioned here, having given the man the benefit of doubt when he landed the KACC job. I mean, this is the man who, the year before his appointment to this job, had a weekly tv show every Sunday at 5pm called 'Moving The Masses', whose primary focus if I'm not wrong, was corruption:- how to fundamentally tackle and exterminate it. He used to have guests on the show each week. He even had Ringera on in one of his shows, where he put the man on the mat with regard to his record in his job as KACC boss and so on.
So the thought of this tough-talking-anti-graft crusader landing the job and not performing, was the last thing that my mind could fathom. It's incredible what PLO is turning out to be. It's actually an insult to Kenyans. He is better off never making another damn speech for the rest of his tenure as KACC boss. The window is just about shut vis-a-vis continuing to give PLO the benefit of doubt with regard to his seriousness and effectiveness in his job as KACC boss. Chief, zile "no less than 4 high voltage cases" ziko wapi???
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Post by mzalendo on Jul 12, 2011 8:52:11 GMT 3
How about the masses actually demonstrating against him just to remind him that he is not doing the job kenyans are paying him to do.
We have a good constitution and there will never be any defining moment in the history of this nation as it is to day, this is the time PLO should actually pass a candid message to the Lords of impunity and if they realise that somehow they can slip through the justice system then soon it will be business as usual.
Time to wake PLO out of the slumber land and back to the reality.
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Post by mintos on Jul 12, 2011 10:43:46 GMT 3
How about the masses actually demonstrating against him just to remind him that he is not doing the job kenyans are paying him to do. We have a good constitution and there will never be any defining moment in the history of this nation as it is to day, this is the time PLO should actually pass a candid message to the Lords of impunity and if they realise that somehow they can slip through the justice system then soon it will be business as usual. Time to wake PLO out of the slumber land and back to the reality. This is what Orengo says he can also organize and I daresay I would take part in a demo against PLO! |
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Post by mukosh on Jul 12, 2011 16:02:52 GMT 3
PLO should accept it was wrong to take part in the demonstrations, shut up and do what he is paid to do. sniff the corruption, investigate and identify the culprits with the attendant evidence for prosecution!
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Post by chokoraa on Jul 12, 2011 17:01:56 GMT 3
How about the masses actually demonstrating against him just to remind him that he is not doing the job kenyans are paying him to do. We have a good constitution and there will never be any defining moment in the history of this nation as it is to day, this is the time PLO should actually pass a candid message to the Lords of impunity and if they realise that somehow they can slip through the justice system then soon it will be business as usual. Time to wake PLO out of the slumber land and back to the reality. This is what Orengo says he can also organize and I daresay I would take part in a demo against PLO! count me in when you do this Demo. Now I read somewhere that he is blaming CORRUPT prosecutors for stiffling his job. PLO if they're corrupt, arrest them for Gods sake, that's what we pay you to do!!!! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 14, 2011 19:29:32 GMT 3
PLO should accept it was wrong to take part in the demonstrations, shut up and do what he is paid to do. sniff the corruption, investigate and identify the culprits with the attendant evidence for prosecution! I am very old fashioned about rotten towns which need to be cleaned up. All you need is a tough man or woman. Not a double professor at law and rhetorical oratorics, not a soldier like old thief Kiang'a [on his way to strip the carcass of that dead company]. No, Here is my favourite anecdote, and it is the subject of countless country songs about the wild west in the USA. They laughed when he came to town, just another sherrif sent by silly Washington! when he callled folks and said nobody robs no bank in my town nomore! Wasn't his son the head of the local gang of robbers? what would he do? shoot his only son? To cut a long story short. That is what he did. He shot them all, his son and the rest. Then he called a town meeting and said. nobody robs no bank in ma town. And they laughed no more, but called him Sherrif Nails. So tough he was, and so the biggest banks in the land opened office in our small town, which soon became the biggest town in the new state of the union!... so tough, our sherrif, he shot his only son dead... Now take a look at this omera boy PLO and tell me. Seen anything tough in that guy? I mean the treasury under Uhuru reports a billion ksh errors... what does my brother do? This is sherrif Zero! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 14, 2011 19:48:33 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Jul 14, 2011 22:41:16 GMT 3
Hehehe! Ati “The reporter did not understand English.........." Says PLO!!! What a pinhead! |
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Post by merlin on Jul 14, 2011 22:51:17 GMT 3
PLO should accept it was wrong to take part in the demonstrations, shut up and do what he is paid to do. sniff the corruption, investigate and identify the culprits with the attendant evidence for prosecution! I am very old fashioned about rotten towns which need to be cleaned up. All you need is a tough man or woman. Not a double professor at law and rhetorical oratorics, not a soldier like old thief Kiang'a [on his way to strip the carcass of that dead company]. No, Here is my favourite anecdote, and it is the subject of countless country songs about the wild west in the USA. They laughed when he came to town, just another sherrif sent by silly Washington! when he callled folks and said nobody robs no bank in my town nomore! Wasn't his son the head of the local gang of robbers? what would he do? shoot his only son? To cut a long story short. That is what he did. He shot them all, his son and the rest. Then he called a town meeting and said. nobody robs no bank in ma town. And they laughed no more, but called him Sherrif Nails. So tough he was, and so the biggest banks in the land opened office in our small town, which soon became the biggest town in the new state of the union!... so tough, our sherrif, he shot his only son dead... Now take a look at this omera boy PLO and tell me. Seen anything tough in that guy? I mean the treasury under Uhuru reports a billion ksh errors... what does my brother do? This is sherrif Zero! No need for PLO to shoot his son. Your story belongs to the Rambo or Batman dreamworld. It is also within the powerful strongman culture of Africa. The power should be in the KACC organisation and what is required; a capable manager who blows life into this organisation. Someone who has a strong belief in institutional powers, who can inspire teamwork and made the KACC achieve its goals. We do not need Rambo’s there are enough of these Sonko’s around already. |
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