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Post by tactician on Aug 24, 2011 15:20:23 GMT 3
William Ruto, Hellen Sambili, Aden Duale sacked.
Replaced by Margaret Kamar, Musa Sirma & Dan Mwazo.
Henry Kosgey remains untouched ie still on suspension.
Moses Wetangula reinstated as Foreign Affairs minister.
Mohammed Gabow (ODM), William Murgor (ODM) and Manson Nyamweya (Ford People) also appointed as assistant ministers
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Post by enigma on Aug 24, 2011 16:05:49 GMT 3
Now Kick them out of ODM or forget rebuilding the party.
Did the MFA probe absolve Wetang'ula? What is the basis of his reinstatement?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 24, 2011 16:12:45 GMT 3
Talk of walking in the dark with eyes clossed.
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Post by destiny on Aug 24, 2011 16:33:30 GMT 3
1. Reshuffle was done quickly to cover yesterday's "bad news" of those tribal nominations carried out by the two principals whereby Githu Muigai was nominated AG while Agnes Odhiambo and Edward Ouko were nominated Controller of Budget and Auditor General respectively. (Talk of tribal horse trading!)
2. Cabinet is still bloated and draining our hard earned taxes. It should have reflected the new constitution and trimmed the cabinet to 22 ministers. Anything else is just musical chair.
3. Nothing will change in these ministries merely because an individual has left only to be replaced with a sycophant. Root and branch overhaul is what transforms any given institution! In any case, these appointments reek tribalism of appeasement anyway.
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Post by mzee on Aug 24, 2011 16:50:18 GMT 3
So, how did Wetangula get back his job?
Has the court cleared him over the illegal sale of our embassies?
I must be missing something?
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Post by phil on Aug 24, 2011 17:01:06 GMT 3
This reshuffle was long overdue, actually it is coming about three years late.
Henry Kosgey was already ruled to have a case to answer and has openly declared his preference for UDM. I think it's North Rift politics coming into play, perhaps a chance to reform.
Harun Mwau should have been replaced. He voluntarily resigned and his case has not been proven at any court but through intelligence sources the principals should have been able to judge his guilt or innocence on allegations of him being a drug kingpin.
I am otherwise happy with the ODM appointments.
Wetangula, Uhuru and Muthaura also should have been replaced! I am sure mtukutu has not seen that.
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Post by phil on Aug 24, 2011 17:31:02 GMT 3
Listen to William Ruto via facebook
Friends, I am happy I was not removed out of office because of incompetence but political intrigues.
To put on record, I have said once and again that I left Cabinet long ago since I was suspended.
I have no hard feelings for the new office bearers. What I only urge them is to serve Kenyans well in their new capacities.
I wish them well and thank all those we worked together in both ministries.
Let us continue building Kenya.
Bw Ruto are you not the one who wrote an emotional letter to Kibaki asking to be to be reappointed to cabinet? Kibaki just shown you the middle finger and at least you recognize the fact that it was not him who appointed you. Even school children know you were suspended and eventually sacked because of countless court cases (including one serious one with ICC) as well as political shenanigans. There's no two ways about it, and we in ODM are coming after you now. We want you and your ancient KANU-style politics out of ODM. Unlike you, new office bearers have shown maturity and diligence in doing their work while respecting the party and authority that appointed them in the first place. Of course Kenya would be very far without your likes around. |
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Post by mangai on Aug 24, 2011 18:31:51 GMT 3
Did Raila seek Ford P consent in appointing Manson Nyamweya as Trade assistant minister in place of Mr. Ogari of ODM (i doubt if he has ever been a rebel)?
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Post by savekenya011 on Aug 24, 2011 19:29:22 GMT 3
1. Reshuffle was done quickly to cover yesterday's "bad news" of those tribal nominations carried out by the two principals whereby Githu Muigai was nominated AG while Agnes Odhiambo and Edward Ouko were nominated Controller of Budget and Auditor General respectively. (Talk of tribal horse trading!) 2. Cabinet is still bloated and draining our hard earned taxes. It should have reflected the new constitution and trimmed the cabinet to 22 ministers. Anything else is just musical chair. 3. Nothing will change in these ministries merely because an individual has left only to be replaced with a sycophant. Root and branch overhaul is what transforms any given institution! In any case, these appointments reek tribalism of appeasement anyway. I wouldnt have said it any better Destiny! Our country ails for lack of leaders-Politically able leaders for that matter. All we have are politicians. And even with this ICC debacle, we still seem to be looking forward to the "remnants" instead of the "called".If only wishes were horses!mmmhh, I think Kenya will be halfway to paradise if Ocampowould only pick up ALL of these "leaders" and this includes RAO and KIBAKI!!!!!!!!! Tumechoka na mimi nimechoka saana na hawa watu! Am even of a good mind to vote for that guy from Eastern province who declared his intent to vie for the CEO of my beautiful country kenya!If for no reason at all, then for the fact that he is new and fresh blood. |
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Post by savekenya011 on Aug 24, 2011 19:40:58 GMT 3
Did Raila seek Ford P consent in appointing Manson Nyamweya as Trade assistant minister in place of Mr. Ogari of ODM (i doubt if he has ever been a rebel)? living by them night and day! Mangai, exactly! These are questions that need answers.I think its time people stopped talking from both sides of their faces condemning double standards yet living by them night and day! ODM really needs to put its house in order, by appointing people from other parties, are RAO and his advisers trying to tell the populace that there are no able bodied, qualified, and capable mps in ODM to fill up these positions? or are they trying to suggest that party membership and party affiliations do not matter?(In which case the should let Ruto et. al be!!!!)Or are they saying that politicians can (and should) subscribe to any political ideologies that they prefer in whichever party (because that is what differentiates political parties aint it?) and when the time comes for a piece of their souls (read "principles") then they can get plum appointments?And if that is the case, what does that say bout RAO and his buddies and their "political ideologies and principles?".This is the double speak that we sought to get rid of in the new contitution which it seems the current crop of political leaders seem intent on watering down! Are we going to let them? Dont even get me started on the main man Mwai and his cronies.Theirs is even more hopeless! People like UK, Muthaura et all should have been gone like last year.But no!!!!!!!!!!
CRIASLY? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Should we let this happen? Are we going to let these people just corrode our nation like this? |
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Post by einstein on Aug 25, 2011 1:41:44 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 25, 2011 2:32:59 GMT 3
So, how did Wetangula get back his job? Has the court cleared him over the illegal sale of our embassies? I must be missing something? If not Weta or Thuita then who? |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 25, 2011 5:33:24 GMT 3
This reshuffle is so colourles and not meant to achieve anything for Kenyans. It was simply done for political reasons as Ruto rightly pointed out. The fellows that the PM is loading on Kenyans are political rejects with no ground to stand on even in their own homes.
Take Musa Sirma for instance, this is a man who was roundly rejected by his own consituencies in 2007 for non performance. The PM did not only insult the people of Eldama Ravine by nominating him to Bunge, but has gone ahead to insult the whole nation by making him a cabinet minister (reminds you of Moi games with the likes of Kamotho?)
Prof. Kamar on the other hand, was soundly rejected by her people in the party nominations but because the PM and his party were desperate for funds from the larger Biwott establishment, he prevailed upon the party to hand her a nomination's certificate and now he has made her a full cabinet minister. Prof. Kamar's record as the head of university campus is well known and one wonders what success the PM can attribute to such leadership that makes him think that such are people who can bring change in Kenya.
As Kaburwo indicated elsewhere on this board, these so called principals should retire together next year. Bure kabisa.
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Post by shifta on Aug 25, 2011 6:21:15 GMT 3
It is about time!!
You do not run around abusing your party leader, daring him and when you get fired you complain ati unfair. Good riddance.
If Kenyans do not like it then wakutane kwa debe next year. These MPs had become jiggers and the PM had to "pick them out". As for the replacements - that is the PM's prerogative, there is an assumption that there were no consultations, no one here on jukwaa knows either way.
Finally, for the tribal name minders, Agnes Odhiambo is a Luhya from Bungoma - get over it!!
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Post by mangai on Aug 25, 2011 9:50:47 GMT 3
Did Raila seek Ford P consent in appointing Manson Nyamweya as Trade assistant minister in place of Mr. Ogari of ODM (i doubt if he has ever been a rebel)? Some clarification. Ogari had earlier been transferred from Ministry of Trade to that of Transport. Nyamweya replaced Harun Mwau at the Ministry of Trade. Apologies! |
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Post by fortune on Aug 25, 2011 10:02:55 GMT 3
William Ruto performed above average in the two ministries that he served before his sacking.But performance for it to be effective needs strategy.He should have fought with tact so as not to been seen to be also wrecking the boat from within.This creates the impression that he is also fighting the many other ethnic constituencies within ODM.Ruto will really struggle to get votes outside Rift vALLEY but Raila also will find the going rough in RIFT VALLEY
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Post by einstein on Aug 25, 2011 11:28:10 GMT 3
MPs object Wetang'ula Cabinet return Chairman of the House Defence and Foreign Relations Committee Adan Keynan led MPs in objecting to the reinstatement of Moses Wetang’ula and Thuita Mwangi to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as minister and permanent secretary respectively August 25, 2011. FILE Members of Parliament have objected to the reinstatement of Moses Wetang’ula and Thuita Mwangi to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as minister and permanent secretary respectively. The chairman of the Defence and Foreign Relations Adan Keynan, member Benedict Gunda and the chairman of the Public Accounts Committee Dr Boni Khalwale want their return to government put on hold until President Kibaki informs the House if they have been cleared of corruption allegations levelled against him. The MPs also want Transport minister Amos Kimunya sacked since the House passed a censure motion against him three years ago. Parliament’s uproar comes just a day after the President, in consultation with Prime Minister Raila Odinga, reshuffled Cabinet. The MPs asked Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, as the Leader of Government Business, to explain why the resolution of Parliament had been ignored regarding the scandal in the Foreign Affairs Ministry. They also called on the Speaker of the National Assembly Kenneth Marende to make a ruling regarding the strength of Parliamentary resolutions and what he thought of the Executive’s stance to wish away key resolutions of the House on the governance of the country. “We want your ruling so that Parliament is removed from the perception that we’re part of an Executive that is not interested in fighting corruption,” said Mr Khalwale. Mr Wetang’ula and Mr Thuita quit their duties to allow the Kenya Anti Corruption Commission and the Criminal Investigation Department to investigate the Sh1.1 billion scandal in the purchase of Kenya’s embassy in Tokyo, Japan. Mr Gunda and Mr Keynan declared Mr Wetang’ula and Mr Thuita as “unfit to hold public office in the republic of Kenya” –a declaration that was passed by Parliament. “To date, we have not seen any report from a competent investigating authority in the country clearing the two,” Mr Gunda said, as he called on the Speaker to quickly convene the disciplinary committee of Parliament to penalise the two for misleading the committee as it investigated the dubious embassy purchase. Mr Keynan added: “I don’t remember this House reversing its earlier decision that the conduct of the two was incompatible with that of a public officer. Notwithstanding the recall, these individuals should remain suspended. They should not be allowed to transact any business unless the Speaker makes a ruling to the contrary.” Mr Keynan noted that in the Constitution, the House Committees had been elevated to have powers similar to those of the High Court and that its decision was therefore binding to the Executive and individual MPs. “Why are resolutions of the House reversed through the backdoor?” posed Mr Keynan They said that Parliament had a duty to protect the Constitution and that they won’t sit back and watch the House’s authority ignored, when it came to sowing the seeds of good governance as enshrined in the Leadership and Integrity chapter in the Constitution. “The Executive has shown utter contempt of parliamentary procedures by appointing the two against a resolution of the House. This is the legislative arm, therefore anything or anyone that shows contempt to Parliament has no place in Kenya,” said Mr Keynan. “What is the role of Parliament? Is it just to rubberstamp? Just to squander public money doing reports which are thereafter thrown in the dustbin?” Dr Khalwale said Wednesday’s reinstatement of Mr Wetang’ula “raises very serious doubts” on the Kenya’s commitment about the fight against corruption. “Yesterday (Wednesday), I wanted to congratulate my brother, but asked myself, what is greater, to congratulate a brother who has not been cleared or to fight corruption in this country,” said Dr Khalwale. He said he was annoyed when the President re-appointed Mr Kimunya back to the Cabinet just months after a successful censure motion against the minister in the House. “The pain of preparing a censure motion, the hours, the amounts of research, the risk you go through cannot just be reduced to an exercise in futility. Kenya is bigger than the President it is bigger than this National Assembly. We must protect taxpayers money.” The PAC chairman asked the Speaker to make a ruling on a copy of the Cockar Report that Dr Khalwale tabled in the House telling the details about Mr Kimunya’s role in the secret sale of the Grand Regency Hotel to Libyan investors. The hotel has since changed its name to Laico Regency. Deputy Speaker Farah Maalim ruled that the Speaker will make a ruling on the queries raised next Tuesday and so will the Vice President. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/MPs+object+Wetangula+Cabinet+return/-/1064/1224830/-/9iogvvz/-/index.html
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Post by rifema on Aug 25, 2011 12:32:07 GMT 3
This reshuffle is so colourles and not meant to achieve anything for Kenyans. It was simply done for political reasons as Ruto rightly pointed out. The fellows that the PM is loading on Kenyans are political rejects with no ground to stand on even in their own homes. Take Musa Sirma for instance, this is a man who was roundly rejected by his own consituencies in 2007 for non performance. The PM did not only insult the people of Eldama Ravine by nominating him to Bunge, but has gone ahead to insult the whole nation by making him a cabinet minister (reminds you of Moi games with the likes of Kamotho?) Prof. Kamar on the other hand, was soundly rejected by her people in the party nominations but because the PM and his party were desperate for funds from the larger Biwott establishment, he prevailed upon the party to hand her a nomination's certificate and now he has made her a full cabinet minister. Prof. Kamar's record as the head of university campus is well known and one wonders what success the PM can attribute to such leadership that makes him think that such are people who can bring change in Kenya. As Kaburwo indicated elsewhere on this board, these so called principals should retire together next year. Bure kabisa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such thinking is what I call fixed mind fitted in a straight jacket. Appointing Ministers/Asst.Ministers from elected/nominated MPs is a constitutional requirement really. Citizens' wish of electing those they wish to represent them is driven by many factors and certainly not a performance yardstick. That is why the Makadarians preferred Sonko - whom, apart from not showing any performance experience, has spent half his time in parliament screaming, shouting, throwing tantrums on the streets, boxing and kicking walls, apart from jumping from one court case to another. Appointment of Ministers/Asst. Ministers is also not cast on stone. That is why the new constitution will allow for appointment of the same from non elected/nominated MPs, etc. It is foolhardy fronting such arguments as reasons for choosing who to elect or reject. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 25, 2011 16:47:29 GMT 3
This reshuffle is so colourles and not meant to achieve anything for Kenyans. It was simply done for political reasons as Ruto rightly pointed out. The fellows that the PM is loading on Kenyans are political rejects with no ground to stand on even in their own homes. Take Musa Sirma for instance, this is a man who was roundly rejected by his own consituencies in 2007 for non performance. The PM did not only insult the people of Eldama Ravine by nominating him to Bunge, but has gone ahead to insult the whole nation by making him a cabinet minister (reminds you of Moi games with the likes of Kamotho?) Prof. Kamar on the other hand, was soundly rejected by her people in the party nominations but because the PM and his party were desperate for funds from the larger Biwott establishment, he prevailed upon the party to hand her a nomination's certificate and now he has made her a full cabinet minister. Prof. Kamar's record as the head of university campus is well known and one wonders what success the PM can attribute to such leadership that makes him think that such are people who can bring change in Kenya. As Kaburwo indicated elsewhere on this board, these so called principals should retire together next year. Bure kabisa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such thinking is what I call fixed mind fitted in a straight jacket. Appointing Ministers/Asst.Ministers from elected/nominated MPs is a constitutional requirement really. Citizens' wish of electing those they wish to represent them is driven by many factors and certainly not a performance yardstick. That is why the Makadarians preferred Sonko - whom, apart from not showing any performance experience, has spent half his time in parliament screaming, shouting, throwing tantrums on the streets, boxing and kicking walls, apart from jumping from one court case to another. Appointment of Ministers/Asst. Ministers is also not cast on stone. That is why the new constitution will allow for appointment of the same from non elected/nominated MPs, etc. It is foolhardy fronting such arguments as reasons for choosing who to elect or reject. fpemanAppointing a nominated MP to cabinet is not a constitutional requirement but that the old constitution was silent on this. In infact, I juxstaposed what Raila has done with Moi-Kamotho (KANU) games. Indeed this has not happened in the Kibaki presidency untill now through ODM. The slant of my argument, which you must have noted or ignored, never questioned the constitutionality of appointing Sirma to the cabinet but the moral of the exercise. To me, in fact to nominate a reject to bunge in itself is slightful to the electorate. In other words what you are telling the people who refused to elect the fellow is that they are stupid and do not know what is good for them. Or rather, what is good for them is not necessarily good for you. That is, you are putting your interests ahead of those of the people. Secondly, I find your comparison of the present set up with the future set up as being as silly as it can be. Whereas the current set up allows such stupid games by politicians who value their egos more than the people, the drafters of the new law alive to such shenanigans. That is why one, the makers of the katiba provided that future cabinet secretaries should and must come from outside bunge and that, they should not have run for elective office and failed. It is that simple my friend and does not need your sophisticated thinking, if at all. |
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Post by mangai on Aug 25, 2011 17:10:31 GMT 3
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such thinking is what I call fixed mind fitted in a straight jacket. Appointing Ministers/Asst.Ministers from elected/nominated MPs is a constitutional requirement really. Citizens' wish of electing those they wish to represent them is driven by many factors and certainly not a performance yardstick. That is why the Makadarians preferred Sonko - whom, apart from not showing any performance experience, has spent half his time in parliament screaming, shouting, throwing tantrums on the streets, boxing and kicking walls, apart from jumping from one court case to another. Appointment of Ministers/Asst. Ministers is also not cast on stone. That is why the new constitution will allow for appointment of the same from non elected/nominated MPs, etc. It is foolhardy fronting such arguments as reasons for choosing who to elect or reject. fpemanAppointing a nominated MP to cabinet is not a constitutional requirement but that the old constitution was silent on this. In infact, I juxstaposed what Raila has done with Moi-Kamotho (KANU) games. Indeed this has not happened in the Kibaki presidency untill now through ODM. The slant of my argument, which you must have noted or ignored, never questioned the constitutionality of appointing Sirma to the cabinet but the moral of the exercise. To me, in fact to nominate a reject to bunge in itself is slightful to the electorate. In other words what you are telling the people who refused to elect the fellow is that they are stupid and do not know what is good for them. Or rather, what is good for them is not necessarily good for you. That is, you are putting your interests ahead of those of the people. Secondly, I find your comparison of the present set up with the future set up as being as silly as it can be. Whereas the current set up allows such stupid games by politicians who value their egos more than the people, the drafters of the new law alive to such shenanigans. That is why one, the makers of the katiba provided that future cabinet secretaries should and must come from outside bunge and that, they should not have run for elective office and failed. It is that simple my friend and does not need your sophisticated thinking, if at all. Sirma contested at the ODM nominations in Eldama Ravine and lost to Moses Lessonet but went on to claim that the nominations were rigged. He was set to defect to another party but was prevailed upon by the party leadership including Ruto whereupon he was publicly promised to be nominated to parliament, which nomination he eventually got. At this stage, we can’t predict what would have happened had Sirma decided to contest on another ODM friendly party like UDM (then) or Narc, the same way Prof Hellen Sambili did in the neighbouring Mogotio constituency and got elected after being floored in the ODM nominations. It would therefore be unfair to brand him a reject. |
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Post by Dumekenya on Aug 25, 2011 17:27:45 GMT 3
The cabinet reshuffle has clearly exposed Kibaki's Character of indecisiveness fear of confronting allies and this to me is cowardice. No wonder he was nick named "General Kagwoya" Look at the picture he is portraying. He reinstated Murungi Kiraitu, Mwiraraia, Kimunya and now Wetangula when the investigations are still underway. Watch the space.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 25, 2011 17:56:11 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Aug 25, 2011 18:27:25 GMT 3
Aden Duale talking about a good english teacher!? My foot, some of these Ministers (Aden Duale + Prof Sambili) and MPs need to attend some Ngumbaru english classes!! Jeeeez!
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 25, 2011 20:15:15 GMT 3
When RAO sacked Ruto after the maize scandal didn't he rally his sycophants kina Duale, Ruto etc. to countless press conferences screaming that RAO wasn't the appointing authority? Let him take his battle to the appointing authority instead of polluting the media with the same old raila this, raila that, raila here, raila there. Being a cabinet minister isn't a right and if i were him i wouldn't sweat the 'small matter' of a cabinet position but instead focus on the bigger battle ahead.
Boy isn't September 1st quickly approaching.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Aug 25, 2011 20:28:05 GMT 3
When RAO sacked Ruto after the maize scandal didn't he rally his sycophants kina Duale, Ruto etc. to countless press conferences screaming that RAO wasn't the appointing authority? Let him take his battle to the appointing authority instead of polluting the media with the same old raila this, raila that, raila here, raila there. Being a cabinet minister isn't a right and if i were him i wouldn't sweat the 'small matter' of a cabinet position but instead focus on the bigger battle ahead. Boy isn't September 1st quickly approaching. ha ha ha I am loving this. I had not heard that ruto was "formally fired", "summarily dismissed". Kie kie kie I am loving this, this is a big blow to the massive ruto ego. Its battered and bruised. All ruto can do is put on a "brave face" and act as if this firing does not matter. No it matters! You are fired Mr Ruto. Now the best thing you can do if you are smart Mr ruto is this. Get the heck outta ODM BEFORE they FORMALLY push you out and you will NOT be able to be a "mere" MP. Pole pole......kie kie kie |
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