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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 9, 2011 22:16:46 GMT 3
I have been wondering.
At least TWO people related to me are very active at the ICC.
Sureta Chana is one of them.
Joyce Aluoch is the other one.
For your information, both ladies are Kenyan.
What is my connection to the duo?
Well, Sureta Chana, when she was a Senior State Counsel in Nairobi, way back in 1982, PROSECUTED me on three counts of sedition.
That was before then Senior Resident Magistrate Joyce Aluoch, who JAILED me for five years.
It is with a touch of sardonic irony that I observe Ms. Chana play her role as the DEFENDER of the victims of injustice and Lady Aluoch weigh in on flagrant human rights violations, when, way back in the dark days of the Moi-KANU one party dictatorship, they were willing tools of the oppressive regime, ruthless in crushing "sedition" and "disgruntled elements in the pay of foreign masters"- the state short hand for peaceful, democracy seeking Kenyans brave enough to stand up against state terror and speak uncomfortable truths to power.
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi
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Post by einstein on Sept 9, 2011 23:45:33 GMT 3
OO,
Don't they say what goes around comes around? Remember your own lawyer back then involved in your case is one self-confessed 'reformer' going by the name Kiraitu Murungi! What did he do with the little cash you were awarded back then?
So brother, buy yourself enough bottles of Tusker and enough bags of potato crisps, lay back and chill as you watch the unfolding block-buster movie within the confines of your own four walls.
No need gracing ICC in Den Haag with your esteemed presence!!!
In the old testament we read how God allowed the Israelites to have an 'avenger' amongst themselves in cases of injustice. But after Christ was born and died for ALL of us we do not need an 'avenger' any more. FOR CHRIST IS THE ANSWER!!
He SHALL avenge ALL the injustice visited on you unless your tormentors repent and ask for forgiveness.
So just sit back, relax and watch in this particular case. You did what you had to do back then, but was not served with justice as was supposed to be the case.
The two 'honourable' ladies SHALL be asked to account for their actions and deeds at the appropriate time!
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Sept 10, 2011 2:04:55 GMT 3
I saw piece on the Nation 'glorifying Sureta Chana, eti Lady Justice.
Lady and Lord Justices are judges of the Court of Appeal. She is far away from that Court. She is an Immigration Judge and she sits in an Immigration Tribunal.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 10, 2011 4:00:29 GMT 3
OO
Dont bother unless you will be a court repota giving us her in Jukwaa interviews and insights that other biased media unfortunately deliberately ignore for partisan sakes.
And I note the case of sour grapes above!! kie kie kie, ;D ;D the same sour grapes that some folks swallow when they saw Hon Miguna take the powerful post in the PM Office
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Post by tnk on Sept 10, 2011 4:18:16 GMT 3
i think you should set up a meeting over coffee or lunch or something and if possible pay a courtesy call to their offices even if its just to reminisce.
it would be nice to have closure on this and get insight on what was going with them those days and where they are now and what they would do different
these conversions from saul to paul are good, but the pauls of this world never seem to talk to those who knew them as saul which i think is deceitful
we have a number such in our midst today (pattni, njenga, etc) who simply dont want to tell us about their "saul" days.
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Post by kurosiwo on Sept 10, 2011 7:05:29 GMT 3
I concur with tnk about breaking bread over this issue. It would be interesting to understand what perspective they may have at this point in their careers. In that conversation, I would sought to know if they ever regretted putting politics before their profession as almost all of the cases had political inclination.
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Post by einstein on Sept 10, 2011 7:46:25 GMT 3
You guys are day-dreaming! Neither of the ladies will ever ever tell OO to his face why they acted the way they did! If they confessed that they did it coz they were under pressure from the Moi regime, that would be enough reason for OO to sue them for damages. They cannot be that daft as to self-confess that their judgement was compromised!!
OO, just let the two ladies fry in their own fat! Only Christ can avenge you!! You can take that to your own bank!!!
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Post by kasuku on Sept 10, 2011 9:22:41 GMT 3
I read two different meaning in the Title.
But i will answer to the one that captured my eye first; There is an open chapter here that needs to be closed.
Ladies in progress years have matured and are wiser than when they were young and ready to please their male bosses in exchange of Career. Don’t get me wrong, am not excusing these women from their wrongs.
Just as many Kenyan men have a problem being on eye level with women (Kenyan women) Women had to grow out of that mentality of being men brooms and floor mop (Solicitor, Magistrate or housewife).
The Question here is not if they will fall on their knees with apologies or excuses why they did Oo Injustice. It’s more for him to tell them what he feels about the all issue especially when he sees them playing the caring mothers of Human rights in Den Hague.
Whether they give him apology or not, that’s their decision, but he would have reminded them in case they forgot. And Oo would have closed an open chapter
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Post by man on Sept 10, 2011 9:38:03 GMT 3
I do not understand. Go to the Hague to do what??
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Post by sunday on Sept 10, 2011 10:08:27 GMT 3
I do not understand. Go to the Hague to do what?? I believe the title of this article is not to be read literally as you're doing. Next time someone tells you to "piga magoti" make sure you take a hammer and do the necessary. |
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Post by man on Sept 10, 2011 13:46:45 GMT 3
I do not understand. Go to the Hague to do what?? I believe the title of this article is not to be read literally as you're doing. Next time someone tells you to "piga magoti" make sure you take a hammer and do the necessary. At least you also agree that the title of this post is a bit out of place. No less than the author of this post himself has in the past accussed others of using misleading titles in their posts. I guess the "rules" should be different this time, huh! |
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 11, 2011 0:23:33 GMT 3
Go to any jail today, and all the criminals there will plead their innocence. So, what we have here is just your side of the story. Without additional information (such as court records or accurate media reports), we do not know whether they dealt with you fairly or unfairly. Can you provide more details? I have been wondering. At least TWO people related to me are very active at the ICC. Sureta Chana is one of them. Joyce Aluoch is the other one. For your information, both ladies are Kenyan. What is my connection to the duo? Well, Sureta Chana, when she was a Senior State Counsel in Nairobi, way back in 1982, PROSECUTED me on three counts of sedition. That was before then Senior Resident Magistrate Joyce Aluoch, who JAILED me for five years. It is with a touch of sardonic irony that I observe Ms. Chana play her role as the DEFENDER of the victims of injustice and Lady Aluoch weigh in on flagrant human rights violations, when, way back in the dark days of the Moi-KANU one party dictatorship, they were willing tools of the oppressive regime, ruthless in crushing " sedition" and " disgruntled elements in the pay of foreign masters"- the state short hand for peaceful, democracy seeking Kenyans brave enough to stand up against state terror and speak uncomfortable truths to power. Onyango Oloo
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Post by akinyi2005 on Sept 11, 2011 2:48:43 GMT 3
;D ;D is someone trying to stir up the hornet's nest?
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 11, 2011 12:33:32 GMT 3
A lot of people missed the tongue embedded in my cheek.
Joyce Aluoch is from near where I come from back in shags. She was the desk mate of my father's youngest sister in secondary school. I met and greeted her recently at my nephew's wedding at the All Saints Cathedral ( with the reception at the Safari Park Hotel). I went up to her and politely held out my hand to say hello. She was equally courteous. I then reminded her if she remembered the young man tried before her court for sedition those many years ago. She took a second look at me and said "Ah! that was so many years ago !" We exchanged pleasantries before moving on to celebrate my nephew's nuptials ( he is the son of Mildred Owuor, the former ECK Commissioner).
As for Sureta Chana I was told she actually quit her State Counsel job soon after I was jailed, relocated to Zambia for a teaching job before eventually getting the Hague gig. I was told this by her daughter Priya who is now a Nairobi-based PR guru, but we discussed this way back in 2004 when I was working as the Project Coordinator with Quebec Public Interest Research Group at McGill in Montreal and she was a graduate student at the same institution. She is the spitting image of her mum.
Just like Kiraitu Murungi has moved from human rights defender to well.... what he is, it appears that those who prosecuted now defend...
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi
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Post by kunadawa on Sept 11, 2011 14:29:35 GMT 3
Just like Kiraitu Murungi has moved from human rights defender to well.... what he is, it appears that those who prosecuted now defend... Onyango Oloo
NairobiPole sana OO for your tribulations, but the analogy can go further with those were oppressed in yesteryears now siding oppressors like Gadaffi etc |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 11, 2011 15:51:30 GMT 3
Oloo,
How mild you are to your persecutors of old! Your aunt Aluoch used to read judgements written for her by the Moi boys in those days. A compliant tool of oppression then, and a disgrace. I grant people evolve and change. But are you sure she has? that now, at the ICC, she wont be reading judgements written for her by the powers that be?
You remember the controversy on who killed Ariri of Lebanon? some investigators have quit, saying there is deliberate pressure to indict Iran, while the evidence does not point there! You think your 'aunt' would be independent on Iran if it came on her plate?
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 12, 2011 16:43:22 GMT 3
;D ;D is someone trying to stir up the hornet's nest? No. From what I know of the Moi regime, there is no doubt in my mind that Oloo suffered unfairly, and my sympathies go out to him. The point I was trying to make is that people see things differently, depending on their vantage point, and it is possible that the two ladies were actually convinvced (rightly or wrongly) that some crime had been committd. |
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Post by tactician on Oct 13, 2011 19:25:42 GMT 3
I have been wondering. At least TWO people related to me are very active at the ICC. Sureta Chana is one of them. Joyce Aluoch is the other one. For your information, both ladies are Kenyan. What is my connection to the duo? Well, Sureta Chana, when she was a Senior State Counsel in Nairobi, way back in 1982, PROSECUTED me on three counts of sedition. That was before then Senior Resident Magistrate Joyce Aluoch, who JAILED me for five years. It is with a touch of sardonic irony that I observe Ms. Chana play her role as the DEFENDER of the victims of injustice and Lady Aluoch weigh in on flagrant human rights violations, when, way back in the dark days of the Moi-KANU one party dictatorship, they were willing tools of the oppressive regime, ruthless in crushing " sedition" and " disgruntled elements in the pay of foreign masters"- the state short hand for peaceful, democracy seeking Kenyans brave enough to stand up against state terror and speak uncomfortable truths to power. Onyango Oloo
Nairobisee what sureta chana says about the sedition trials after the 1982 coup attempt. She also gives a few comments about Onyango Oloo: www.icckenya.org/2011/10/qa-with-victims’-lawyer-sureta-chana-we-can’t-even-talk-about-the-long-term-because-victims-are-in-the-same-place-as-just-after-the-violence/#comment-528 |
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Post by tnk on Oct 13, 2011 21:40:51 GMT 3
I have been wondering. At least TWO people related to me are very active at the ICC. Sureta Chana is one of them. Joyce Aluoch is the other one. For your information, both ladies are Kenyan. What is my connection to the duo? Well, Sureta Chana, when she was a Senior State Counsel in Nairobi, way back in 1982, PROSECUTED me on three counts of sedition. That was before then Senior Resident Magistrate Joyce Aluoch, who JAILED me for five years. It is with a touch of sardonic irony that I observe Ms. Chana play her role as the DEFENDER of the victims of injustice and Lady Aluoch weigh in on flagrant human rights violations, when, way back in the dark days of the Moi-KANU one party dictatorship, they were willing tools of the oppressive regime, ruthless in crushing " sedition" and " disgruntled elements in the pay of foreign masters"- the state short hand for peaceful, democracy seeking Kenyans brave enough to stand up against state terror and speak uncomfortable truths to power. Onyango Oloo
Nairobisee what sureta chana says about the sedition trials after the 1982 coup attempt. She also gives a few comments about Onyango Oloo: www.icckenya.org/2011/10/qa-with-victims’-lawyer-sureta-chana-we-can’t-even-talk-about-the-long-term-because-victims-are-in-the-same-place-as-just-after-the-violence/#comment-528tactician thanks for the article here is the link again wasnt getting it the first time bw OO - i think you should send sureta your memoirs where you reflect on the time from when you were picked up, the years in remand and then on to kamiti and the period after that where you had to proceed on canada etc. its rather callous and insensitive for sureta to claim "And I do know this chap, Onyango Oloo, he still holds, it obviously happened to him. " she does not appear to appreciate the fact that her actions in that court impacted individuals for decades some who even committed suicide secondly she then claims that now there is freedom in kenya and yet ironically those freedoms are due to the relentless efforts on these very people she help put away also send her that other book on the guys who lived to tell the story i would dearly like to hear from her after she reads those accounts |
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 13, 2011 22:10:24 GMT 3
tnk,
Ms Chana was caught in a bad place with that question. She blew it but disparaging the victims of her being used as a rag to lock people up. She claims she prosecuted "hundreds of millions of people" really. She lies that she refused to use confession obtained by torture. That is a naked lie. Oloo was prosecuted for writing an essay which Ms Chana must have seen had nothing to do with sedition. Yes people make mistakes. People blunder all the time. Ms Chana is better off simply apologising for what hapenned that time instead of insulting people even further. Shame on her. She did a good job in her work with the victims but Anyah did a better job. But she better come clean on her role as a prosecutor for a murderous repressive Moi regime unless she wants to bat heads with us. We will leave her alone for now but watch out Ms Chana. TJRC is still coming after the bogus rounds are done.
But I am impressed with the reach of Jukwaa for example to folks in the Law Monitor. That is exactly why Jukwaa was established. It was not to compete with the Daily Nation for mass circulation.
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Post by bka112211 on Oct 16, 2011 15:20:09 GMT 3
Infotrak Have never interviewed me
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 16, 2011 19:39:57 GMT 3
Infotrak Have never interviewed me !!!!  ? What has Infotrak have to do with this thread? OO |
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Post by subsaharanite on Oct 18, 2011 1:13:47 GMT 3
Double O, forget about them. They were just doing their jobs. When you have a job, you try to please your boss. Otherwise, you will expunged. Even now that they are working for the ICC, they are just carrying out their jobs. I don't think that at heart they really care about the victims who were affected by the PEV.
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