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Post by major on Sept 16, 2011 14:48:41 GMT 3
I found this circulating in Kalenjin forums and facebook with some replies to it.... interesting times are yet to come...It seems Kalenjin professionals are driving important and serious message issues to Ruto's head. Now what happens with his mortgage of Kalenjin vote to Muthamaki? Ruto is yet to go for another cycle. Need more popcorns pls.
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KALENJIN PROFESSIONALS says NO to a UHURU PRESIDENCY!
I must give Ruto thumps up for giving his ears to the Kalenjin professionals. He did not only listen but gave them time and all ears open to air their views and opinions freely at a well attended meeting in Nairobi a day ago. Much applause to him!
Thanks to the professionals too. They did not minced, ate or swallowed their words. Neither did they beat around the bush nor did they make any excuses. They hit head-on, were frank and to the point. And without wasting time, I will go deep to the nitty gritty of what may have transpired in that meeting. I attended virtually and may have missed one or two things.
To say the truth, these professionals and on a foot note almost convince me to support Ruto's presidential candidacy. I am almost buying this line of thinking....
They told Ruto point blank, we support you fully but in this process our interest comes first. Three or so major points were raised during the meeting;- LAND, IDPs, Jobs, counties. In this long political journey, the professional told him we must have plan A and fall out plan. That we have to gauge our game. Whether it is a wining game or not. If the prospects of supporting you for presidency falls below par, WHAT NEXT?
Then came bullet, who among the "evil" top contenders will cater for our interests if things get awry? Will Mt Kenya allow us to deal with land injustices or will the lake have any interests in LAND. They did not waste time and told Ruto what we all know as an open secret. Mt. Kenya after fixing their OWN in every pillar of parastals, security chiefs and financial sector will not waste time but settle their IDPs right inside our lands. The Kalenjin and Land injustices will FOREVER never be solved!
Then came bombshell. "We will support you fully", but what IF..... AND I repeat, what IF Uhuru vs Raila come to the final contest? On whose side will Kalenjin support? They told him BLATANTLY; "We will go with a Raila presidency" Not because we want him, but to stop the over-advancement of MT. Kenya mafia. To minimize their interests overcoming our interests across the regions. As much as we loath Raila, our interests will have check and balances on Mt. Kenya with a Raila presidency.
In short, Ruto, was told we will not accept a UHURU PRESIDENCY! He was not only tongue-tied but awed how things were shaping up. Thanks to his quick eloquence and thoughts. He told his audience we will stick with UDM and nothing short of that.
Further to this, Ruto was told, while having powerful counties, the top presidential contenders might not bring much input taking into consideration tribal competition. The new constitution gives equity to all counties. We are glad to have Seven counties among the 47 counties. Mt. Kenya are not happy with this. In the recent past, Uhuru through his finance docket has tried to mutilate the county devolution bill. Trying to send a meager funds to the counties.
In a nutshell, who among the top contenders will in a "bytheway" have our interests taken care of? As much us we do not like Raila, he still stands the better option than the one who directly starves our future and current interests. As he (Raila) counters the Mt. Kenya mafia, our interests could be taken care of as a by-product.
Ruto was caught between a hard place and a rock. To either go with "his" enemy number one and follow the REALITY that is slowly and surely taking root among the PROFESSIONALS or go EAST and the community is used, diced and dumped.
JC
This is exactly what we have been hearing all over RV. Basically, our people do not trust the Mt. Kenya mafia and would prefer the lesser 'devil', RAO, when the going gets tough. In other words, all the noise and vitriol being spewed in this forum and in villages has limits when the times comes to take stock of what is really at stake now and in the future. For example, if an armchair critic of RAO and by extension, the ODM party, were to visit various offices in Nairobi, they would immediately understand the concerns of our professionals. The truth is, its a jungle out there and more so now that our brand, the Kalenjin, has been tarnished by the same forces that engineered the death of ODM Party. Luckily, ODM is not dead and we also have the moribund UDM as a spare tyre (tire?).
We have not even tried to understand why the said Mafia decided to rig the presidential elections...Was it for the sake of it? What interests were they trying to protect at all costs? Were our interests included? If so, then how come they fired most of our professionals from government jobs starting in 2003? How come they have bailed out struggling institutions in their region at the expense of the rest of the country? These and otherr questions require honest answers, otherwise we risk being domo domo tu without analyzing the big picture.
JK
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 16, 2011 15:15:04 GMT 3
Nothing new here in this outsourced article.
The bloody mafiyans (and their hands are actually blood stained) have used their people as pawns. The odinary mwana Gema is struggling just like the rest. Some have gotten land yes. But the majority have been 'shafted'. Many a time I have said that the hands of the Nation is in wana Gema hands. They have to shove aside all the propaganda of 'our son' andu aitu or whatever and vote with heads - reject the likes of muthamaki
There was no way the wana RV were going to support muthamaki for P.O.R.K.
Period.
Let me repeat.
No way, the wana RV give that thug muthamaki votes.
He is too inept, to greedy, to blood thirsty, to tribal to be given that honor. A man who caves and abandons his post as Leader of the Official Parliamentary Opposition (this has no known precedent) and succumb to pressure of tribal expediency, when he had no real power at that moment is an unmitigated tribalist and a real danger to others NOT of his own tribe.
I rubbished the so kei kei kei alliance here the moment it was touted.
Its a still borne alliance.
Even the Panuarers here dont talk about it. The only time the tout ruto is when ruto opens his mouth to scandalize and trash the Rt Hon Prime Minister. But they hate ruto. Everyone knows this.
The shifty irascible ruto knows he cant use his tribesmen and women as pawns to fight his own battles within the Kenyan political order esp if he associates himself with the forces that have screwed the Kalenjins mightily.
I have talked about the process of afadhalilization.
Its what the Rt Hon Prime Minister needs to do, make himself the rational, reasonable, least threatening alternative amongst an array of spineless snollygosters (Judas KM), murderous land grabbing inept thugs (muthamaki) and plain thieves and blowhards who just talk (ruto)
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 16, 2011 17:00:40 GMT 3
Ruto is halfway there with his, "Raila and I are actually great friends; it is Makau who is the problem".
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Post by major on Sept 16, 2011 17:13:16 GMT 3
A word from grapevine ; Ruto was at Orange Hse yesterday and paid all his dues that he had stopped when he started the rebel story. Something is cooking...
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Post by Titchaz on Sept 16, 2011 17:43:21 GMT 3
A word from grapevine ; Ruto was at Orange Hse yesterday and paid all his dues that he had stopped when he started the rebel story. Something is cooking... Wow!!!...na hilo nalo ni neno. Yangu macho tu. |
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Post by mbilinjia63 on Sept 16, 2011 18:46:43 GMT 3
Well...whatever the dynamics, it is still very early politically to decipher Kenya's political rhythm come 2012. There is a strong conviction that this time round the Kenyan voter may spring a surprise as to who becomes the new PORK. Lets watch this space!
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Post by morimax on Sept 16, 2011 23:04:52 GMT 3
In the case of RAO Vs Ruto over winning RV votes, this kind of approach was long overdue. Things became a little compicated when RAO used to respond to Ruto's propaganda and rhetorics. Rao should have left Ruto the RVs to deal with as he courts the RVs, but by responding to Ruto, Rao had been exposing the RVs to a situation whereby they had to defend Ruto. Lets wait and see how far this goes.
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Post by job on Sept 16, 2011 23:52:01 GMT 3
I get the feeling Ruto is slowly realizing his own constituency and the rest of the country is beginning to appreciate the reforms granted by the new constitution he vehemently opposed. A new and beautiful Judiciary is unveiling right before their eyes. People are witnessing new public ethos and format for making public appointments ( that respects gender and regional diversity). Mashinani folks are anxiously waiting for the implementation of devolution.Amongst his own Kalenjin, this article alludes to restlessness among Kalenjin professionals, who are beginning to critically interogate the direction Ruto seeks to take them. They are certainly suggesting they don't want to repeat the same historical mistake, by supporting Kenya's land aristocrats (the Kenyattas) sitting on land the size of Nyanza province (a lot of it in land-starved Rift Valley). They don't wish to play fools, instead they are looking at prospects offered by the new constitution (land, devolution etc) and asses.sing who has the will and guts to implement them fully. They probably already know Ruto's Presidential candidacy is a dud meant to hoodwink the gullible. Ruto on his part, has to try shrugging off the anti-Katiba, anti-reform tag that's virtually imprinted on his forehead. He has to start the narrative by making the broadbrush statement that all current leaders are no reformists. He hopes people will neither pay attention to the Republic of Kenya vs. William Ruto case on fraudulent land dealings at Ngong forest, nor the serious ICC Prosecutor vs. William Ruto case over murder, forceful evictions, and persecution during the post election violence. Ruto's narrative tries to redefine the word reform. He seems to suggest that hard work, or effectiveness (even if accompanied by corruption and other crimes) still counts for reform. That must be a heck of strange reform. According to Ruto, his own self-appraised record at the Agriculture & Higher Education Ministries qualifies him to be a foremost reformer. In fact, Ruto is going a notch higher in this false narrative. He is trying to steal the reform mantle from real reformers. He dismisses all of them as having failed (despite delivering the new constitution he opposed). Believe it or not, Ruto wants to launch the thrid liberation, with himself leading the third reform struggle. If you doubt this, read Joshua Kutuny’s op-ed in the Daily Nation. I’m dead serious, Joshua Kutuny had an op-ed on reforms in the Daily Nation’s editorial page - and pay attention to his last paragraph. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/We+have+had+a+false+start/-/440808/1236958/-/item/0/-/ahb1py/-/index.htmlKutuny's closing paragraph:The leaders of the second liberation have failed Kenyans. For how long shall we make promises that we have no intention of fulfilling? Should we now agitate for a third liberation? |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Sept 17, 2011 5:15:21 GMT 3
I think the G7 has panicked so much they are running around like a headless chicken , how come Ruto was not a signatory to the pact signed today by the big three in PNU alliance?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 17, 2011 5:32:54 GMT 3
I can smell the excitement or is it despeartion; eti Oh! Ruto is coming back, Oh! Raila will now win the RV .... hahahahahaa!!! Keep on dreaming my people, it is good for your health. Where is Phil? He must have missed this one.
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Post by shifta on Sept 17, 2011 8:05:24 GMT 3
I do not know whether Ruto will make amends with ODM, which to me is a non issue...what I believe is that the man is no man's land politically. Having just vehemently denied any UDM linkage at the ICC it would be interesting to see how sells himself there, KANU nayo, Moi hamtaki, and most impotantly, there is no way in heck Kalenjins are following Ruto to vote for Uhuru...I can bet my lunch money on that for the next one year.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 17, 2011 16:38:19 GMT 3
I do not know whether Ruto will make amends with ODM, which to me is a non issue...what I believe is that the man is no man's land politically. Having just vehemently denied any UDM linkage at the ICC it would be interesting to see how sells himself there, KANU nayo, Moi hamtaki, and most impotantly, there is no way in heck Kalenjins are following Ruto to vote for Uhuru...I can bet my lunch money on that for the next one year. Correct! ruto is no man mans land politically and he is feeling the pincer squeeze from two directions, ODM and the panuarers. ruto is now isolated, I wonder how his big mouth will extricate him out of this political box he got into himself - alone!! The so called 'Big 3' (ruto conspicuously missing) have signed an MoU of sorts pledging that one of them will be the eventual nominee. Where was ruto, he of the G-7 'fame' during this unveiling of the 'Big 3?' An note that the decibel level of the ruto attacks against the Rt Hon Prime Minister have died, actually died down almost to zero!! ruto burnt the ODM bridge and the panuarers have kicked him out, having noting his predilection for self promotion, inventing lies about about his peers, and his obnoxious, unreliable, abrasive attitude. He is not a team player. |
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Post by veri on Sept 17, 2011 16:55:00 GMT 3
No-one in G7 is a team player. That's the beauty of it isn't it.
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Post by okolowaka on Sept 17, 2011 19:22:17 GMT 3
Ruto has been used and dumped by the G3 severally but he seems not to realize it.... After doing much spade work in creating publicity for these clowns; breaking ranks with ODM for apparently no reason at all; helping to water down the 8 regional counties to 47, Ruto does not even feature in the AOB...serves him right....
Let him continue preparing the feast for Uhuru.... it seems like he likes the job....
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Post by akinyi2005 on Sept 17, 2011 19:49:04 GMT 3
...OUCH!! Aren't the professionals rather late in giving advice to a man who was dumped kitambo. ....During a strategic meeting held at Karen in Nairobi yesterday, the three leaders and MPs allied to them agreed to welcome into their alliance, Eldoret North MP William Ruto and any other interested politician. “ It was agreed that we open the doors specifically for William Ruto, but that does not lock out any other like minded politician who want to be part of the PNU Alliance party,” said an MP who attended the meeting...... www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/40758-kalonzo-uhuru-and-saitoti-sign-poll-deal |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 17, 2011 22:27:36 GMT 3
Kie kie kie ;D ;D The folks who open the door may as well slam it back on ruto's face. ruto is a pariah, even the Professionals from his community knows that fully well. ruto is engaged in renting kina eugene and zipapa to give the aura that he is a player beyond RV, but we all know that is a charade! |
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Post by Dumekenya on Sept 19, 2011 15:45:17 GMT 3
Mawimbi yakitema tema baharini mwishowe huishia ukingoni. In Jukwaa we have always said these things severally. It is no news to me but this was bound to happen. Rutos keleles were doomed to fail as they were baseless and without flavor. I guess he misused Hitlers theory of repeating lies for several times which according to Hitler it would make the mass believe that it is true. Kenyans have become of age and you as a politician can not go far with lies and innuendos.
Now the storm is settling.
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Post by osachkosochigaa on Sept 19, 2011 18:53:47 GMT 3
KALENJIN PROFFESSSIONAL.
Who are they?
I never give a damn to such snobbish intellectuals
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Post by njambaa on Sept 19, 2011 19:30:39 GMT 3
one thing i know,if Ruto and his crew decide to go for it solo they might as well kiss the presidency goodbye R.v/coast/North eastern are technicaly swing vote regions.with a few months to election it will be only a waste of time for this regions to field a presidential candidate.
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Post by major on Sept 20, 2011 8:05:46 GMT 3
Whether they call it catch 21 or call it dilemma is the exact position that Kipchichir Arap Ruto is at the moment. Charging out of this latitude and longitude could lead to a serious time bomb! Being diplomatic and returning home as a prodigal son could give him some cushions. Politically he would be thrown from upper echelons of the party to probably one of gate keepers. On the contrary, if he decides to runs to infinity, then he will be used, re-used and dumped!
Why so?
Fast rewind. Muthamaki knew that with a bait (funds), fish "Ruto" will swim away from ODM. If truly the PM did not have the blessings of PORK on MAU issue, why is it now that the TUKO PAMOJA business nothing has happened upto date? If Kalenjin interests were part of Mt. Kenya mafia, by now we would shaming PM on how things are done and resettling MAU peasants pronto. But alas, it is a promissory note that will be delivered tomorrow that will NEVER COME. William is not stupid and knows this! But again, he's a puppet under the influence of "funds". We know who pulls the string for puppet to sing RAO is bad....
Secondly, as much as the use and usage of Ruto is done, the Kalenjin masses have no single idea why this all hullabaloo is happening. One thing is that they have bought the RAO is bad story propaganda. On flipping the coin an on every individual note, the UHURU as the president is not being bought and will NEVER BE BOUGHT. On that one Ruto can go tell it to the nearest bird he sees. So, what will Bill Ruto tell to Muthamaki about "funds" and how will he convince the Kalenjin masses to vote Muthamaki?
See what I see... it's a quack-mire or quackmire in Ruto's court?
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 20, 2011 13:05:18 GMT 3
I can smell the excitement or is it despeartion; eti Oh! Ruto is coming back, Oh! Raila will now win the RV .... hahahahahaa!!! Keep on dreaming my people, it is good for your health. Where is Phil? He must have missed this one. This is the second time in as many threads I am seeing you invoking Phil's could you please spare us the monotony.... |
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Post by major on Oct 22, 2012 16:17:37 GMT 3
The current marriage on the offing between TNA and URP is not sitting well among the Kalenjin. There is a lot and loud murmur among themselves. Their hopes of seeing William Arap Ruto on the ballot for the presidency has been dented by the new intended marriage.
The Kalenjin are now thinking twice. If I were Hon. Henry Arap Kosgey I would snatch this given opportunity and re-direct the Kalenjin community. The Kalenjin would rather go to the Lake than to the Mountain. This is the time to change the tectonic plates in the Kalenjin land.
Read excerpts from different Kalenjin facebook groups....
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David Sum
If WSR cannot contest for presidency then he should count me out of his unending deals.why should we be sold off to the highest bidder?
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Steve K. Rotich
WRS RUININGmate TO UMK. The biggest error this century. We quickly forget the 2002 after kibaki tosha. 2yrs down the line, things changed for the team. wiper saved them from ODM onslaught and now what has happened? Do we dream they will treat us different this round? HAVE a good dreaming day.
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Bureti Netebes
William should be careful not to lead Kalenjiin to Kikuyu again…at least not now. If Ruto can not hold his ground to the end, then should brace himself for an all round defeat. Raila will defeat him, Kikuyu will defeat him, ICC will defeat him and Kalenjiin will disown him. He should not be enticed by seasonal waves that beat the shores of politics in kenya
We know Raila promised vice- presidency, Majority leader position, half of his regime, one-term in his tenure. Uhuru has promised the same but I bet Kikuyus will vet the same information before becoming legit. Raila’s word is somehow final though he could be pulling a good one on Ruto.
These potential friends are compromising on conditions that will elevate them to the presidency. I abhor such deals.
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Seronei Chelulei Cheison
William Ruto must go to Uhuru Kenyatta with one firm position. That the presidency is not debatable. Don't sell cheap. Ruto takes the presidency, ant any other seat is on offer. We can't even excuse the remote idea of a Uhuru presidency riding on Ruto's back much like Kibaki's bloody second term riding on a Kalonzo who is now relegated.
The assumption that Uhuru would return any favours is far-fetched. They owe Kalonzo immediate repayment. It seems they won't.
Beiitab chemunata?
Kawendonuu anee TNA, onyorchoo olotok. Politics is about posturing. The Kalenjin must not send signals that we are comfortable with WSR deputising Uhuru. Politics is about noise. We must keep agitating that WSR can only accept Uhuru or anybody else as his deputy. As I said before, a Raila presidency is to a Kalenjin not a matter of life and death. But to some people, it is. Meaning they can give anything to stop Tinga. Including the presidency. That is the gap. Unles of course he has resigned to playing second fiddle. Asi kiberureech tugul wikiini.
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Jake Cheboryot
We have finally been sold for a penny! Chepkondet!
William Kipchirchir Arap Ruto, How could you? After all these efforts of pulling Kalenjin including the rebellious "us" into one basket, you could not settle for what you have preached 24/7???
Now you're drinking the "wine" of vice presidency yet you preached "water" of presidency under URP 24/7. You have proved some of us right that you were indeed not going for presidency and taking a whole community on a personal joy-ride. I am one of the newest converts to URP, BUT alas, my vote, my future, has already been decided by you in my absence of where it belongs. My believe had started drifting towards your end. How NOW sir?
That I should vote for the man who was born on a silver spoon. The man who does not know what poverty means. The man who does not know that I must sell a few goats and some cows to get school fees. The man who does not know that we don't have a "Thika Superhighway" between Kapsabet and Eldoret. The man who does not know that KCC belonged to me before he raped it with BROOKSIDE. The man who has continuously financed JKIA and not a single thought of Eldoret International Airport. The man who at the Ministry of Finance hired employees from one community, from the top to the sweepers. Go to Central Bank and find out. Go to State House and Find out. Go to those Government Parastatals and find out.
Kipchirchir Arap Ruto. How long can we continue being second to the people from the Mountain? This math does not add up. The current head of state is from the Mountain and look at all Financial sectors of the Republic of Kenya. Why can't it be the other way round. Time for the people from the Mountain to support us. We need EQUALITY in leadership. Don't you believe in yourself William?
William, gas anyuun. Mawendi TULWET. Ingotokosta metit, korekto chatit, borto ak kelywek nyancha.
SERE!
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Zeph Kiprotich Chepkwony
Uhuru / Ruto relationship is fatal to the community and to Ruto himself. Be aware!!
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Mutai Abraham Junior
THE KALENJIN SHOULD SAY NO TO THE POLITICAL DEAL BETWEEN RUTO AND UHURU. WHY SHUOLD WE BE BOUGHT WITH ONLY 7BILLION NA YOTE MFUKO WA RUTO? WAKE U SLEEPING KALENJINS!!!!!!!
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Khalid Chepsy Rahim
Ruto should stop auctioning the kalenjin
community to the highest bidder and start selling his policies to the people ya kusema na kutenda. FULL STOP. kama hataki urezo atuambie mapema tujipange.
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Naftali Araapsawe
Am listening to the two TNA boys on 98.4 Capital FM and surely, if this is where WSR is trying to take us, then I'd rather remain on the plains.. Phto!
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Winnie Tum
Goot, the latest info in at home is wsr received Kshs 500m from Uhuru on Thursday night, and promised 50% jobs in the TNA/URP government.
Are we this cheap, and by the way will son of Jomo sack all the Kikuyus to pave way for the Kalenjins? Can our so call leaders negotiating our interest be lacking basic details/facts and some small intelligence to see through such promises which will be next to impossible to meet.
I need someone to convince me that Uhuru will sack Head of Public service CGS, Poilice commissioner, CID., PSs, Mds, OCPDs, PCs/CCs, etc, and the replace them.
Can Kimenia now approves the appointment of the Nyayo teas zones MD!
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Philip Rotich
If Ruto is the presidential candidate in a Ruto/Uhuru outfit; the Gema will not vote for that outfit. If Uhuru is the presidential candidate, the Kalenjin will not vote for that outfit. In either case the outfit comes second after ODM in the elections. In the scenario where Ruto is the candidate-Gema votes Raila for they hate Ruto with a passion. In the scenario where Uhuru is the candidate, the Kalenjin vote Raila because they do not like uhuru so much and would not want another Kikuyu president just after Kibaki. Best option to Ruto or Uhuru-Just be Raila's running mate which guarantees you being in next government-But would they listen to a nobody like me!
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Post by phil on Oct 22, 2012 16:29:46 GMT 3
As I said in the other thread, until a coalition agreement is deposited at the office of the RPP, all these we are reading in media are just but propaganda and clever spin doctor concoctions.
This afternoon, URP confirms that there is no deal with TNA or any other party, but talks ongoing will ALL possible partnering political parties.
The ground has previously compelled Ruto to do the then unthinkable.
History could be repeating itself right before our eyes.
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Post by phil on Oct 23, 2012 12:02:38 GMT 3
The pre-election coalition that never was!
JUST IN: The TNA press conference scheduled at Parliament Buildings for this morning has been cancelled onstensibly because "expected MPs are out of town."
Is this the beginning of TNA/URP fall out? Is the ground becoming too hostile to the coalition of the Hague suspects?
Time will tell.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 23, 2012 12:04:26 GMT 3
The pre-election coalition that never was! JUST IN: The TNA press conference scheduled at Parliament Buildings for this morning has been cancelled onstensibly because "expected MPs are out of town." Is this the beginning of TNA/URP fall out? Is the ground becoming too hostile to the coalition of the Hague suspects? Time will tell. .....you are getting too hopeful!!! |
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