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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 17, 2011 17:28:20 GMT 3
Don't ask me why.
It is rather obvious.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by destiny on Oct 17, 2011 17:45:16 GMT 3
Don't ask me why. It is rather obvious.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa AdministratorI won't ask why, just kwanini? Did I miss anything in the last 5 or so hours when I was away? To be honest, I thought he was a rather loveable apologist of the current regime. |
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Post by mzee on Oct 17, 2011 17:59:24 GMT 3
Thanks OO, the guy will find a home elsewhere.
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Post by roughrider on Oct 17, 2011 18:22:05 GMT 3
Don't ask me why. It is rather obvious.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa AdministratorOops! I was busy responding to Daniel Waweru elsewhere and had not seen this. I thought he could be a good addition to Jukwaa if he were not so single minded. At points I had started enjoying discussions with him - if only they did not lead to the same thing! I now realise others noticed the same thing. I know why Oloo did this. In many online fora, problems begin when one item became the focus of discussion. It is like a newspaper carrying a version of the same headline everyday. Why not accept him back with a stern warning? |
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 17, 2011 18:31:51 GMT 3
RR,
This is what I had to say about the character earlier today in another thread. I have been meaning to say that over the weekend but kept hoping mr. danielwaweru would not keep doing what he did the last time he was here.
This is my earlier post. And I understand he is not here to defend himself, so I will leave it there: As I noted Mr. waweru does not spew the same garbage in their own website but prefers to bring it here for whatever motives.
Oloo,
I am glad you have noticed the creeping attempts to ground threads here with baseless and obssesive nonsense.
I will call a spade a spade to spare a lot of people a lot of headache. Mr. danielwaweru is well known to us in Jukwaa. This is the guy who almost grounded jukwaa sometimes back with the same obssessive bahaviour turning every thread into a shouting war loaded with all sorts of insults.
danielwaweru called himself alexander eichner (something like that). At some point people abandoned jukwaa because of the man's abusive bahaviour. Oloo eventually had to throw alexander out of Jukwaa and the board recovered its sanity after a long time. There is a lot of effort people put to make this board what it is and it is annoying that some chaps just think they can turn it into their latrine any time they want.
Now Mr. alexander is a white man living in Europe. Once kicked out of jukwaa he re-invented himself with a kikuyu sounding name daneilwaweru and was busy with their Kenyaimagine website. I have no idea what happened to Kenyaimagine. I have not looked at it for years so I have no clue whether it is still alive or dead.
Interesting enough Mr. Alexander who was in Kenyaimagine by the same name for a while before switching to danielwaweru name actually never took the same rubbish he was spewing in Jukwaa to Kenyaimagine which tells me he knew he was here just to disrupt discussions but did not want the same filth in Kenyaimagine.
When alexander sneaked back as danielwaweru he started timidly not trying to expose his old self. He has been a fairly reasonable contributor to jukwaa and actually writes very well.
For that none of us had any problem and even let him hide under that new name. But old habits sometimes just don't die and same dude is now back in full alexander mode. Now I don't mind a white dude calling himself danielwaweru but when the same white dude actually starts pretending that they are some kikuyu fella fighting the good fight for Kikuyus and pissing on every thread with outright provocative lies to disrupt discussions something is very wrong and I for one will not stand such nonsense.
Let's have mature sensible discussions on this board and waweru can take his stuff to Kenyaimagine. If he wants to be in jukwaa he has to quit his alexander behaviour. He tried to ruin this board before and should be told we are having none of that crap again. There is no need to dance around what we know about this character. He is a repeat offender. Alternatively Mr. Alexander can have his own thread to spew his venom and those interested can go there and let other people have their discussions.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 17, 2011 18:50:57 GMT 3
Oloo
Danielwaweru may have been Aichener or Alexander for all I care. What Waweru is being accused is something that is done quite often when someone is trying to kill a thread and there are many examples. It is bad enough when the colour of his skin is an issue and even notwithstanding use of a gikuyu name seems offensive. In 2007 we christened an individual arap Mibei and he carried this as his name when it was convinient which is why I never had an issue with Waweru as a name instead of Alexander.
You having the prerogative of kicking out errant folk in Jukwaa is a power that sometimes requires elements of fairness. I say this having noticed that it seems very easy to fall foul of the administrator and moderators if you are constantly attacking the PM or ODM whilst those constantly against PNU and keep attacking the president do not get similar treatment. I take exception when bad language is used against either of the PNU or ODM leadership for I believe we can be critical and still remain civil which is why I keep hoping that your sword cuts both ways, and it is for that reason you should not allow the tag of Jukwaa allegedly being an ODM forum sticking because of such actions!
I can only hope that when the count of those who have fallen foul of your powers of ejection is taken, it will be representative of fairness!
Kamale.
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Post by mank on Oct 17, 2011 19:01:56 GMT 3
Don't ask me why.
It is rather obvious.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator Oloo, With all due respect, the reason is not apparent to me let alone being obvious. I can only speculate and I would rather not. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 17, 2011 19:17:39 GMT 3
Oloo Danielwaweru may have been Aichener or Alexander for all I care. What Waweru is being accused is something that is done quite often when someone is trying to kill a thread and there are many examples. It is bad enough when the colour of his skin is an issue and even notwithstanding use of a gikuyu name seems offensive. In 2007 we christened an individual arap Mibei and he carried this as his name when it was convinient which is why I never had an issue with Waweru as a name instead of Alexander. You having the prerogative of kicking out errant folk in Jukwaa is a power that sometimes requires elements of fairness. I say this having noticed that it seems very easy to fall foul of the administrator and moderators if you are constantly attacking the PM or ODM whilst those constantly against PNU and keep attacking the president do not get similar treatment. I take exception when bad language is used against either of the PNU or ODM leadership for I believe we can be critical and still remain civil which is why I keep hoping that your sword cuts both ways, and it is for that reason you should not allow the tag of Jukwaa allegedly being an ODM forum sticking because of such actions! I can only hope that when the count of those who have fallen foul of your powers of ejection is taken, it will be representative of fairness! Kamale. It is one thing for adongo to call himself rosemary muthoni. But when adongo actually usurps the personality of muthoni and starts pretending that he is a kikuyu woman to push certain agenda when he is a Luo man from Bondo then something is very devious with adongo and he should be told to stop fooling around with people. Alexander or waweru is not the issue. The issue is hiding behind fake identities to push an agenda. It is also trying to make a mockery of this board. He was kicked out for a reason before and if he had cleaned his act fine enough but don't try playing with people's intelligence. Now the fellow has been spreading his obvious lies about Raila paying for kids to be thrown in latrines etc. That is not criticism but vile lies. He knows he is lying but that serves his purpose of turning every thread into Raila killed children nonsense and before you know it the board begins to look like a bunch of juveniles trading insults and stuck like a old gramaphone on one thing. You throw your lies and I throw mine and on and on it goes. Why would any serious person want to visit such a website? Incidentally in his own website Kenyaimagine(seems it is still alive but barely) danielwaweru aka alexander never puts such crude nonsense because he probably wants the cite to be respectable but he chooses to come here with that. So if you have your own house and you are smart enough not to shit in your sitting room(no pan intended) why would I allow you to come shit in mine. If you are just a person who shits in rooms generally then I will lock the door before you even enter. Besides, there is always mashada to do the above. |
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Post by Fahari on Oct 17, 2011 19:37:06 GMT 3
I haven't noticed any of the usual transgressions like ethnic bigotry or foul language coming from him so I have to wonder what earned him the guillotine. Did I miss something or is that he rubbed one side of the political divide wrong?
Quite frankly he contributed an intellectual component to the debate on this forum albeit heavily inclined towards the PNU side of the divide.
I believe the best way to counter an argument or change an opinion is not to block or muzzle it but to present your own strong arguments based on facts and published opinions as he did. That way we all get to exercise our intellectual muscle which is the whole point of having a debate.
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Post by tnk on Oct 17, 2011 19:43:52 GMT 3
dont see what the fuss is about
the man has a mission, and with elections round the corner and his objectives not yet achieved, he will be back
not sure what alias he will use, but the signs are there, he'll be back
some obsessions are incurable
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Post by kamalet on Oct 17, 2011 20:14:18 GMT 3
Oloo Danielwaweru may have been Aichener or Alexander for all I care. What Waweru is being accused is something that is done quite often when someone is trying to kill a thread and there are many examples. It is bad enough when the colour of his skin is an issue and even notwithstanding use of a gikuyu name seems offensive. In 2007 we christened an individual arap Mibei and he carried this as his name when it was convinient which is why I never had an issue with Waweru as a name instead of Alexander. You having the prerogative of kicking out errant folk in Jukwaa is a power that sometimes requires elements of fairness. I say this having noticed that it seems very easy to fall foul of the administrator and moderators if you are constantly attacking the PM or ODM whilst those constantly against PNU and keep attacking the president do not get similar treatment. I take exception when bad language is used against either of the PNU or ODM leadership for I believe we can be critical and still remain civil which is why I keep hoping that your sword cuts both ways, and it is for that reason you should not allow the tag of Jukwaa allegedly being an ODM forum sticking because of such actions! I can only hope that when the count of those who have fallen foul of your powers of ejection is taken, it will be representative of fairness! Kamale. It is one thing for adongo to call himself rosemary muthoni. But when adongo actually usurps the personality of muthoni and starts pretending that he is a kikuyu woman to push certain agenda when he is a Luo man from Bondo then something is very devious with adongo and he should be told to stop fooling around with people. Alexander or waweru is not the issue. The issue is hiding behind fake identities to push an agenda. It is also trying to make a mockery of this board. He was kicked out for a reason before and if he had cleaned his act fine enough but don't try playing with people's intelligence. Now the fellow has been spreading his obvious lies about Raila paying for kids to be thrown in latrines etc. That is not criticism but vile lies. He knows he is lying but that serves his purpose of turning every thread into Raila killed children nonsense and before you know it the board begins to look like a bunch of juveniles trading insults and stuck like a old gramaphone on one thing. You throw your lies and I throw mine and on and on it goes. Why would any serious person want to visit such a website? Incidentally in his own website Kenyaimagine(seems it is still alive but barely) danielwaweru aka alexander never puts such crude nonsense because he probably wants the cite to be respectable but he chooses to come here with that. So if you have your own house and you are smart enough not to shit in your sitting room(no pan intended) why would I allow you to come shit in mine. If you are just a person who shits in rooms generally then I will lock the door before you even enter. Besides, there is always mashada to do the above. Adongo You make me laugh. I know of characters who use names to mask themselves like being gikuyu and appearing to support Raila here in Jukwaa, there are others who when confronted with a common stereotype about a community have no idea what you are talking about! In fact one character who used to pretend to be Meru had no clue when I suggested that he probably should eat chalk and he had not idea what I was talking about - any Meru person will tell you that the height of a kikuyu insult to a mery person is suggesting that they have eaten chalk! So Alexander talking whatever persona he prefers should never be an issue - it should be the message. And talking of lies, just how many people have come to this forum and repeated unsubstantiated lies and have kept repeating them? Should they all be banished from Jukwaa? I beg to differ. |
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Post by enigma on Oct 17, 2011 20:25:35 GMT 3
DW could have been sued for the libelious stuff he was spewing on the PM. OO has actually saved his ass. Note what is happening to Moses Kuria.
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 17, 2011 20:30:45 GMT 3
Kamale,
I don't care if someone calls themselves a she goat or even try behaving like a she goat. May be they can practice that long enough to get it right. After all handles are just that handles. Some of us choose to just be the simple adongo ogony that they are. That is their choice. But when you get kicked out of this board as Kamale and then come back call yourself peter that is fine but for goodness sakes don't bring back the same kamale DNA that was tuffed out. That is just making a mockery of the board.
You were here when Alexander Aichener turned Jukwaa into a filthy joke. People were fleeing the board. I personally never posted anything for months. In fact I publicly gave my reason for quitting the board. You know exactly what went down. Oloo had to rescue the board after kicking the fellow out. Now, you do something like that, you are allowed back with another handle then don't go back to your crazy behaviour. That is not too much to ask.
You can come here and lie all you want and in fact we don't mind people starting full threads with nothing but lies. But if you are going to go to every thread to urinate on it with the same lies you are obviously on a mission to sabotage discussion not just to spread your lies. Why not start your thread and let those interested in your lies go there.
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Post by b6k on Oct 17, 2011 21:01:33 GMT 3
Most unfortunate. He was a good fellah. RR's suggestion may have been the better way to go.....
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 17, 2011 21:06:37 GMT 3
I thought DW was defending his corners pretty well. Actually I like the manic diligence with which he does his research to defend his positions, even when I think the interpretation is erroneous and stretched. As things stand now, there is a lingering suspicion that he is beheaded because he went for Raila's throat with a wreckless and bloodthirsty passion. Oloo can you not find a method of polishing men like DW, he is a kind of [rough] gem. The Odm brigade here needs counterweight, to make Jukwaa shine even more!
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Post by tactician on Oct 17, 2011 21:16:40 GMT 3
what happened? I have been away for a while so i may not be up to date
but i will say that whatever views daniel had, he based them on good research unlike some fellas who make baseless claims.
Let me look and see what he did -
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 17, 2011 21:21:58 GMT 3
jakaswanga,
Kamale is the longest serving member of Jukwaa after Oloo himself. Kamale is also known to have views very much opposed to ODM or Raila for that matter. Occassionally we get into heated arguments and a person like me is known to throw a few punches when the need arises. But never once has Kamale's membership in jukwaa been threatened. There are very many other members of this board like that.
Alexander even under his old handle was a very good writer and contributor to Jukwaa which is what we need. But he went overboard then and actually went nuts to be honest. He came back and was very much welcome. In fact nobody bothered him. He was posting his stuff like everybody else. Then of course Oloo made the decision he made which he communicated here. I have not had any communication from Oloo on what actually prompted his action but I can only guess based on what I know and it is obvious to me that it has nothing to do with any political leaning otherwise the veteran Kamale would be the first to go. That is not what Jukwaa is about.
I like and actually cherish views from all sides. Some of it is just low lying punching bags for practice. Why would anyone complain. But everybody needs to respect the board and make it a place where you do not need to hide under a bed to to read lest someone see you and wonder if you have lost your mind. There is a reason some of us will never post in mashada. Even reading it is shameful enough. You don't want anybody to know you have ever been to mashada unless you want people to question your sanity.
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Post by b6k on Oct 17, 2011 21:34:14 GMT 3
The Odm brigade here needs counterweight, to make Jukwaa shine even more! That's the tragedy here. The ODM brigade as you aptly brand them have free license to run riot on Jukwaa, call those who's ideas don't concur with theirs names be it labeling them childish or alleging they suffer from incontinence & have loose bowel movements or bladder malfunctions on threads, rooms, houses, question their sanity, etc, ad nauseam. Hell they even claim sovereignty over the universe but never a warning goes that way. DW could've been given a warning & allowed a quota of not referring to RAO more than once a day to satisfy his addiction.  Anyway let me hold my tongue lest the axe find its third victim in as many weeks... |
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 17, 2011 22:24:05 GMT 3
So Daniel Waweru was a Jungu?  , well he did give his views with good research though. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 17, 2011 22:28:19 GMT 3
I have read through Daniel's posts everyday and never saw anything offensive in them. Could we be told exactly what made him go? This is a man who backed all his claims with research and facts. The issue of him being a mzungu or Gikuyu is neither here nor there and can therefore not be a reason for his expulsion.
If it is in the name of Raila that this had to happen, let us be told so. Bure kabisa hii watu.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 17, 2011 22:28:48 GMT 3
The Odm brigade here needs counterweight, to make Jukwaa shine even more! That's the tragedy here. The ODM brigade as you aptly brand them have free license to run riot on Jukwaa, call those who's ideas don't concur with theirs names be it labeling them childish or alleging they suffer from incontinence & have loose bowel movements or bladder malfunctions on threads, rooms, houses, question their sanity, etc, ad nauseam. Hell they even claim sovereignty over the universe but never a warning goes that way. DW could've been given a warning & allowed a quota of not referring to RAO more than once a day to satisfy his addiction. Anyway let me hold my tongue lest the axe find its third victim in as many weeks... Some of you suffer from selective amnesia. I have reprimanded and punished members irrespective of tribal, political, racial, gender or any other background. For the umpteenth time, Jukwaa is NOT an ODM site. I have never been a member of ODM. Up to quite recently I used to be the Secretary General of the SDP. For the tribalists in Jukwaa, I guess if you have an O in your name then you must be ipso facto a supporter of ODM- a very puerile thought if you ask me. Interesting thought on a slightly different note. I know and I have met Alexander Eichener. He has even visited my house here in Nairobi. I have interacted directly with Daniel Waweru on another mailing list. Earlier this evening a Kenyan who lives right here in Nairobi-somebody I have sat down and had coffee with somewhere in Kilimani-and happens to be a member of Jukwaa- has written to me privately and assured me that Daniel Waweru is NOT Alexander Eichener and Alexander Eichener is NOT Daniel Waweru because he happens to know BOTH Daniel and Alexander who have collaborated on certain online projects in the past hence their political affinity and similarity of opinions. The one thing which is true is that Onyango Oloo has kicked BOTH OF THEM out of Jukwaa at different times.As for those lamenting Daniel's demise as a Jukwaa member, I have FOUR words for them: CRY ME A RIVER.
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Post by mzee on Oct 17, 2011 22:38:10 GMT 3
I think that Adongo has clearly outlined wawerus sins. The man is repeat offender.
What was irritating about waweru is that he tried to kill any thread he came across by his Raila outbursts, majority that were pure lies.
I don't think that's forbidden to talk about or criticise Raila. But you need to raise matters in the right thread.
I'm happy that the kikuyu wannabe has been thrown out.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 17, 2011 22:53:07 GMT 3
Daniel and I just had the following chat:
Daniel: Might I ask why I was banned?
Sent at 10:42 PM on Monday
Daniel: I've just seen your latest post, and it seems to leave the question unsettled.
Sent at 10:43 PM on Monday
me: Daniel: I will write to you tomorrow and provide you with a context to my decision.
Daniel: OK
Some preliminary reason, devoid of context if you wish, would be nice.
me: There is a reason for my reticence. Before the end of business Tuesday I assure you.
Daniel: Oh well
Are you keeping well?
No one is threatening you with a suit for libel?
me: No. I am not easily cowed.
Daniel: OK
very well then.
me: Kesho.
Daniel: Sawa
Daniel is offline. Messages you send will be delivered when Daniel comes online.
Continue this chat over SMS.
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Post by Fahari on Oct 17, 2011 22:59:16 GMT 3
I think that Adongo bas clearly outlined wawerus sins. The man is repeat offender. What was irritating about waweru is that he tried to kill any thread he came across by his Raila outburst, majority that were pure lies. I don't think that's forbidden to talk about or criticise Raila. But you need to raise matters in the right thread. I'm happy that the kikuyu wannabe has been thrown out I have come across similar anti Muthamaki outbursts on every single thread and that particular offender was never kicked out not even a warning, in fact he seemed untouchable! Perhaps the lesson here is that one has to be careful not to go after the "lakeside muthamaki" hammer and tongs as DW did and they may live to a ripe old age......RIP DW ......(insert Dirge)........... |
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Post by mzee on Oct 17, 2011 23:11:34 GMT 3
I think that Adongo bas clearly outlined wawerus sins. The man is repeat offender. What was irritating about waweru is that he tried to kill any thread he came across by his Raila outburst, majority that were pure lies. I don't think that's forbidden to talk about or criticise Raila. But you need to raise matters in the right thread. I'm happy that the kikuyu wannabe has been thrown out I have come across similar anti Muthamaki outbursts on every single thread and that particular offender was never kicked out not even a warning, in fact he seemed untouchable! Perhaps the lesson here is that one has to be careful not to go after the "lakeside muthamaki" hammer and tongs as DW did and they may live to a ripe old age......RIP DW ......(insert Dirge)........... Why should a white or black guy for that matter throw tribal nonsense in the board? |
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, well he did give his views with good research though.