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Post by nereah on Nov 8, 2011 18:14:59 GMT 3
before i head out of town, allow me to post this open letter revised and condensed to a format that different from the original one. as a disclaimer,may i say that i have had personal admiration and immense respect for miguna but lost him the moment he went public with personal and personalized attack on his boss(miguna is still a civil servant) the prime minister of kenya and leader of odm and co-principal of the grand coalition government, rt hon. raila amollo odinga,egh, mp. omin ondiek, i will be brief. if you may indulge me, allow me first to ask the following of you: 1. website:update and relaunch your website. 2. book:transform your published articles in kenya newspapers(especially over the last three yrs) into a book.this is very important for those who want to understand your ideology and tendency. 3. podcast: get an expert to assist you turn your articles published in the star into audio with podcasts.i have seen in dar-es-salaam, kampala and nairobi audio cds including nyerere speeches on sale.yours too could be sold.when you turn the writings that have been published in the star for instance into audio format,many would get to know your ideological make up. 4. platform: declare and or clarify your political stand.having contested a parliamentary seat in 2002 and being a life member of odm, i would be interested to know your stance.what next? are you still in odm or you are not? are you a fifth columnist in odm or you arent? which political platform are you identifying with or selling to the public whose opinion you shape with your column(star), online (jukwaa) and tv broadcast (k24)? omin ondiek, i dont think i need introduction given that i am one of the few jukwaa members who are indiscreet. we have only met once and i reported it back to jukwaa members.the chance encounter was at ranalo(kosewe eatery) in nairobi's financial street where you won my respect and admiration with the gentlemanly mien far removed from the disturbing framing that your detractors led by sworn enemy kamale . you let the sister that was nereah(if you may recall the graca machel lookalike)wash her hands and waited patiently although one of us was through with the meal while the other was just about to start. you towering frame and beautiful smile did not go unnoticed. i reported that too! like majority of jukwaa, a bunch of whom you know personally, i have been in your fan club as you overreached yourself scattering the forces against agwambo. i remember how jukwaa held its breadth during those dicey naivasha talks until you arrived at the scene.you won plaudits in subsequent battles of wits and fact remain that you made good account of your self,something for which you were rewarded handsomely with a post with grade equal to that of francis muthaura.not a feat that even good old profesor edward akongo who many in the struggle considers as the father and who have been on the trenches this long, managed. such was your good work that when nereah shared with jukwaa that damaging article by wafula buke, we all dismissed it with a pinch of salt. it is on record that there is no member of jukwaa,maybe political maniac, who has publicly showered you with accolade here more than nereah of amadi. so much so that i caused a scene in a private facility where i was hospitalized when i received the disturbing call from my sister in law, jaber about your sacking. i was due for a second procedure on my eye (lacer). in the stillness of the night, i shouted a top my voice dictating to the sister what to post here.being the nereah that i am, i cared less the inconvenience that my rants caused to patients and staff. in the absence of facts and having known what you stood for, i exhorted you to never,ever, ever,ever,ever give up which brings me to the thrust of this letter: the struggle. contd....
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Post by nereah on Nov 8, 2011 18:47:23 GMT 3
that struggle you talk about, omin ondiek, is evocative to some of us, may be all of us, who have been affected directly or indirectly.
when you see the odious comments and snide remarks being directed at you by people i respects here like phil, or the deadly take down by our very own job it is not that they are really disrespectful of you but because(i may be wrong) you are appears to be intent on subverting the struggle.
i am aware and i respect you for this, that you have sued daniel arap moi, something that i had looked forward to from your comrades in the struggle like j.m.adongo and onyango oloo.
this has been one hell of a struggle and infact debate continues of its context, legitimacy and even causal effect.
in bondo where am cooking ;D there is a man who daniel tortured and locked up for years only to let free when he had lost his senses. he never spoke to anyone when he arrived back home. thats how bad it was.
some of us still bear the brunt of moi atrocities.and that's why inshallah, i will come personally to show solidarity with you at the court hearings and especially the ruling of your case against moi.
but again this was a struggle of many form and shape.
more....
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Post by nereah on Nov 8, 2011 20:05:24 GMT 3
has odm and especially raila betrayed the struggle and if so, which political formation in kenya is in your view a plausible alternative?
let us examine the facts as nereah came to know them. it is a fact and i stand to be corrected, that raila amollo odinga or odm as a political party has not publicly disowned,attacked or denigrated you.
the fact is that the miguna narrative as you anchored it on jukwaa (see archive for your letter to friends) was not about raila betrayal.you made my type believe that you had earned enemies from the forces/merchants of impunity who were bent on taking you down as a step to destroying raila---from those documents planted at your gate to whispers by juniors at the opm about your pending sacking.
and you mentioned names.but that's as far i want to take that road. yes, i have encouraged and even exalted you for standing that tall before the king and telling him that he is naked but is our ceasar naked?really?
lets face the facts omin ondiek. do you believe raila has lost it and therefore can never be the president kenya is waiting for? do you believe agwambo is not an agent of change?
i wont even pretend to be lecturing or hectoring you on the struggles by disparate or organized groups from latin america to central africa and even in our homeland. think of the thomas sankara that our biggest o in jukwaa made an initiative of... think of whats happening down there in anc now, have a look at rwanda, closely watch south sudan.need i remind you of old zaire,the mozambique case and uganda next door.
in all these colonial and post independent liberation movements there has been a constant---- even in the face of what to many appears to be shifts in ideological goalposts.
in rwanda for instance, i read how those who were in the bush with paul and even served him and shaped what we call in kiswahili muondo msingi, are now dissidents and arch enemies.
lets stick to kenya and limit it to the post moi era.we have had disparate groups.raila amollo odinga remains what someone called an agent of historical inevitability.
change has never taken place in kenya without his direct participation or orchestration.we have been moving forward even if it has been inexorably slow.
the struggle still continues and it must be fought in many ways. i remember wafula the buke having qualms with rateng ogego who needs no introduction to you, when ogego abandon them in the bush to go and complete his degree at makerere.that to buke was a betrayal.but again, struggle as we see in anc, is not fought with the machine guns alone.
what am i jabbering about? i am attempting to say that there are time tested tact and historical practices that informs the trajectory of a struggle--at least from my small mind.
would raila led forces had won if tinga stuck with kibakis and muites and engaged moi in an asymmetrical political warfare rather than constructive engagement that was co-operation? where would we be today, had he not bend backwards and betrayed the cause by going to bed with the nyachae,saitotis,kalonzos in rainbow alliance?
was it wrong to have enlisted the backing of the likes of uhuru and gedion moi in the 2005 referendum? is it a historical anomaly and therefore a political aberration for raila led progressives have agreed to have the likes of henry the kosgey,william the ruto, sister sally kosgey in the odm cabinet?
omin ondiek, i have listened carefully to your last interview with jeff the koinange and you said something that i n anchor my parting shot on: that as raila worked with the mois,you cannot rule out the possibility of future engagement with him.
but again, have you had a clash with your former boss? to the best of my knowledge, the answer is no.
i therefore insist that you must avoid that path that the likes of ogego took.history bears us out that no one ,not even moi with his awesome might including intelligence succeeded in destroying the will,spirit and mission of agwambo for kenya.
in your own words, agwambo remains the face of the struggle in kenya and this relevance is dependent upon his uncanny ability to make good for the aspiration and collective will of millions who genuinely want a sustainably changed kenya,you included i guess.
my second and key reason of writing this open letter was to challenge you to be a pragmatist and do the needful.what you are doing is in my small mind, excusable and you,miguna miguna, can still reclaim your exalted predestination.james orengo did even after committing worse political sins than you.
the fact is that odm still needs you and fact is ,its not too late for you to recover the lost ground in what we initially(i think it was mzee and later phil who first raised this issue) thought you were being fought against: raila succession in luoland.
please do the needful.
nereah
typos/syntax highly regretted.
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Post by man on Nov 9, 2011 6:56:01 GMT 3
the fact is that odm still needs you and fact is ,its not too late for you to recover the lost ground in what we initially(i think it was mzee and later phil who first raised this issue) thought you were being fought against: raila succession in luoland. please do the needful. nereah typos highly regretted. I STRONGLY disagree. ODM does NOT need this guy.
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Post by phil on Nov 9, 2011 10:22:04 GMT 3
the fact is that odm still needs you and fact is ,its not too late for you to recover the lost ground in what we initially(i think it was mzee and later phil who first raised this issue) thought you were being fought against: raila succession in luoland. please do the needful. nereah typos highly regretted. I STRONGLY disagree. ODM does not need this guy. On the contrary it is Miguna that needs ODM. No man is bigger than the party, not even Raila himself. While I have no problem with sister nereah praising and pleading with Miguna, there are those of us who have moved on and are looking to help serve and build our country in our own little way - whether we are paid or not.
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Post by merlin on Nov 9, 2011 21:12:50 GMT 3
Nereah,
A beautiful passionate open letter to Miguna Miguna. You really enlighten the essence of the situation and within there lays the kernel of the conflict.
The kernel is a misunderstanding or clash between Miguna Miguna and Raila. There is nothing wrong in misunderstanding or clashing with each other. It creates a learning situation for each of them and there is always an opportunity to come together again or part with a clearer understanding of what it is that makes you part.
Miguna Miguna a man of many words, describing many situations, consequences, airing his opinion of rights and wrongs has not yet dared to use a single word on the kernel of his problem. Apparently it must have been a traumatic experience and he is still in denial. It just will take some more time.
We can guess about the contents of this kernel (or even think there is none as you do) it is only Miguna Miguna who can tell us. Miguna Miguna has to work on it maybe get some assistance as the value of his words are losing credibility in pointing out ours / others problems while being unable to deal with his own problem.
I agree with Man and Phil, ODM does not need Miguna Miguna and Miguna Miguna does not need ODM. Miguna should slow down talking to everyone about everything. The answers for his problem are introspection, talk and listen to himself and discover what really did happen between Raila and him.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 9, 2011 23:01:41 GMT 3
Oh come on you guys!!! you need cut Miguna some slack!
Anyone that knows Miguna will know that when he writes something such as this, it is not different to anything he wrote in 2003 or 2004 if not earlier. Miguna has just gone back to his old self of telling it as it is!
He may have been constricted by his being a public servant (on full pay), to say what he is saying today. It is a sad truth that corruption as said by Miguna is something that brings out those that one to cover the ass of those they adore at the altar of losses to Kenyans.
Miguna on this very forum tried to put up a case for Mudavadi on the cemetery saga - but as I hammered him for it, I understood that he had a political duty to write as he did. Today he is free of that political duty and should be able to cut down the thieves and charlatans that pretend that they can steal from us on the basis that they have louder hecklers than those complaining! So in complete contrast to what many expect of me.....on this one, I am with Miguna!!!!
Kamale
PS. And by the way, this has nothing to do with my views about Raila, it is all about theft!
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 9, 2011 23:29:51 GMT 3
Oh come on you guys!!! you need cut Miguna some slack! Anyone that knows Miguna will know that when he writes something such as this, it is not different to anything he wrote in 2003 or 2004 if not earlier. Miguna has just gone back to his old self of telling it as it is! He may have been constricted by his being a public servant (on full pay), to say what he is saying today. It is a sad truth that corruption as said by Miguna is something that brings out those that one to cover the ass of those they adore at the altar of losses to Kenyans. Miguna on this very forum tried to put up a case for Mudavadi on the cemetery saga - but as I hammered him for it, I understood that he had a political duty to write as he did. Today he is free of that political duty and should be able to cut down the thieves and charlatans that pretend that they can steal from us on the basis that they have louder hecklers than those complaining! So in complete contrast to what many expect of me.....on this one, I am with Miguna!!!! Kamale PS. And by the way, this has nothing to do with my views about Raila, it is all about theft! Of course, of course we understand Kamale. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. How would we forget that. Miguna would have done himself a lot more good by actually looking at corruption and hypocricy from those who fight corruption today and are defending it tomorrow and he could have included Raila in that and the Wamalwas, Rutos etc. That would have been a more credible story. Instead Miguna chose to do a political hit on Raila which is fine but let's not pretend that it has anything to do with fighting corruption. As long hypocricy and political opportunism continue to dominate the phoney war on corruption we are going nowhere and that is by design. Is it any wonder that KACC is dead and nobody is talking about it! That sick country of ours. We will NOT give up on it.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 10, 2011 0:06:53 GMT 3
Oh come on you guys!!! you need cut Miguna some slack! Anyone that knows Miguna will know that when he writes something such as this, it is not different to anything he wrote in 2003 or 2004 if not earlier. Miguna has just gone back to his old self of telling it as it is! He may have been constricted by his being a public servant (on full pay), to say what he is saying today. It is a sad truth that corruption as said by Miguna is something that brings out those that one to cover the ass of those they adore at the altar of losses to Kenyans. Miguna on this very forum tried to put up a case for Mudavadi on the cemetery saga - but as I hammered him for it, I understood that he had a political duty to write as he did. Today he is free of that political duty and should be able to cut down the thieves and charlatans that pretend that they can steal from us on the basis that they have louder hecklers than those complaining! So in complete contrast to what many expect of me.....on this one, I am with Miguna!!!! Kamale PS. And by the way, this has nothing to do with my views about Raila, it is all about theft! Of course, of course we understand Kamale. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. How would we forget that. Miguna would have done himself a lot more good by actually looking at corruption and hypocricy from those who fight corruption today and are defending it tomorrow and he could have included Raila in that and the Wamalwas, Rutos etc. That would have been a more credible story. Instead Miguna chose to do a political hit on Raila which is fine but let's not pretend that it has anything to do with fighting corruption. As long hypocricy and political opportunism continue to dominate the phoney war on corruption we are going nowhere and that is by design. Is it any wonder that KACC is dead and nobody is talking about it! That sick country of ours. We will NOT give up on it. Adongo Rather than be blindsided by the mere mention of the name Raila, have you considered that Miguna's hit was on corruption and Raila only happened to be collateral damage...or is this something you cannot countenance?
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 10, 2011 0:30:40 GMT 3
Kamale, What I cannot conternance is hypocricy and political opportunism. Miguna's heading talks about not tolerating Theft of Public Resources. It si not about not tolerating Raila. I have pointed this story out a million times and I have noticed some of you try to pretend it is not there. Here it is again. www.nation.co.ke/News/Treasury+refunds+Sh2bn+donor+cash+/-/1056/1266894/-/8o7j7vz/-/index.htmlThis Kshs 2.6 billion. It is money already being refunded to donors which was stolen for sure, something already admitted by the PS. If anybody seriously want to talk about this new found business of money being refunded why ignore the elephant in the tent. Look at the whole picture of moneys being refunded. Why jump over others and then talk about Raila should bare "criminal responsibility" without an ounce of evidence that Raila had stolen money. That is why I talk about political hitmen. It is the reason the war on corruption remains fake and useless.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 10, 2011 8:56:14 GMT 3
Since I am in daily, direct and personal contact with Miguna here in the Kenyan capital, I will convey my views about Nereah's intervention with him face to face, offline.
I can confirm that he has read every word, and paused at every comma and full stop that Nereah has written.
Onyango Oloo Nairobi
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 10, 2011 9:01:25 GMT 3
Miguna Miguna is simply reiterating what we have been saying here all along. That the PM's office has in only three years beaten Moi’s 24 years’ regime in epitomizing every vice that Kenyans have been fighting to defeat. Be it corruption, the OPM is now an embodiment of how to steal even from the dead and the hungry. When it comes to nepotism and tribalism they are second to none. Even political hooliganism, they just launched a book for it by Kondele publishers. Meanwhile, here is the man, unable to explain how all his brothers in-law, sisters in-law, cousins and neighbors have found their way into all Kenyan embassies around the world. www.youtube.com/user/kenyacitizentvChange we can believe in.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 10, 2011 11:33:00 GMT 3
you let the sister that was nereah(if you may recall the graca machel lookalike)wash her hands and waited patiently although one of us was through with the meal while the other was just about to start. you towering frame and beautiful smile did not go unnoticed. i reported that too! Haiya, Nereah. Kumbe you are an African queen kama this lady hapa chini? No wonder he couldn't wash his hands that day... Kwani you have a 'crush' on Mig Mig? Towering frame and beautiful smile!!!
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Post by roughrider on Nov 10, 2011 11:41:20 GMT 3
Our sister, Nereah, has written from her heart. This should give anyone pause for thought. I thank Nereah for writing this way. She is not like some of us who lose it too fast. It could be that after all Miguna is well meaning but uses the wrong methods and attacks the wrong targets. It is hardly believable that Miguna now thinks that all of Kenya’s problems start and end with one Raila Odinga.
I would imagine that Raila Odinga is the easiest person to make an ally in the fight to make a better Kenya. The epicenter of impunity lies elsewhere. And Miguna know it.
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 10, 2011 23:23:55 GMT 3
has odm and especially raila betrayed the struggle and if so, which political formation in kenya is in your view a plausible alternative? let us examine the facts as nereah came to know them. it is a fact and i stand to be corrected, that raila amollo odinga or odm as a political party has not publicly disowned,attacked or denigrated you. the fact is that the miguna narrative as you anchored it on jukwaa (see archive for your letter to friends) was not about raila betrayal.you made my type believe that you had earned enemies from the forces/merchants of impunity who were bent on taking you down as a step to destroying raila--- from those documents planted at your gate to whispers by juniors at the opm about your pending sacking.and you mentioned names.but that's as far i want to take that road. yes, i have encouraged and even exalted you for standing that tall before the king and telling him that he is naked but is our ceasar naked?really? lets face the facts omin ondiek. do you believe raila has lost it and therefore can never be the president kenya is waiting for? do you believe agwambo is not an agent of change? i wont even pretend to be lecturing or hectoring you on the struggles by disparate or organized groups from latin america to central africa and even in our homeland. think of the thomas sankara that our biggest o in jukwaa made an initiative of... think of whats happening down there in anc now, have a look at rwanda, closely watch south sudan.need i remind you of old zaire,the mozambique case and uganda next door. in all these colonial and post independent liberation movements there has been a constant---- even in the face of what to many appears to be shifts in ideological goalposts. in rwanda for instance, i read how those who were in the bush with paul and even served him and shaped what we call in kiswahili muondo msingi, are now dissidents and arch enemies. lets stick to kenya and limit it to the post moi era.we have had disparate groups. raila amollo odinga remains what someone called an agent of historical inevitability. change has never taken place in kenya without his direct participation or orchestration.we have been moving forward even if it has been inexorably slow. the struggle still continues and it must be fought in many ways. i remember wafula the buke having qualms with rateng ogego who needs no introduction to you, when ogego abandon them in the bush to go and complete his degree at makerere.that to buke was a betrayal.but again, struggle as we see in anc, is not fought with the machine guns alone. what am i jabbering about? i am attempting to say that there are time tested tact and historical practices that informs the trajectory of a struggle--at least from my small mind. would raila led forces had won if tinga stuck with kibakis and muites and engaged moi in an asymmetrical political warfare rather than constructive engagement that was co-operation? where would we be today, had he not bend backwards and betrayed the cause by going to bed with the nyachae,saitotis,kalonzos in rainbow alliance? was it wrong to have enlisted the backing of the likes of uhuru and gedion moi in the 2005 referendum? is it a historical anomaly and therefore a political aberration for raila led progressives have agreed to have the likes of henry the kosgey,william the ruto, sister sally kosgey in the odm cabinet? omin ondiek, i have listened carefully to your last interview with jeff the koinange and you said something that i n anchor my parting shot on: that as raila worked with the mois,you cannot rule out the possibility of future engagement with him. but again, have you had a clash with your former boss? to the best of my knowledge, the answer is no. i therefore insist that you must avoid that path that the likes of ogego took.history bears us out that no one ,not even moi with his awesome might including intelligence succeeded in destroying the will,spirit and mission of agwambo for kenya. in your own words, agwambo remains the face of the struggle in kenya and this relevance is dependent upon his uncanny ability to make good for the aspiration and collective will of millions who genuinely want a sustainably changed kenya,you included i guess. my second and key reason of writing this open letter was to challenge you to be a pragmatist and do the needful.what you are doing is in my small mind, excusable and you, miguna miguna, can still reclaim your exalted predestination. james orengo did even after committing worse political sins than you. the fact is that odm still needs you and fact is ,its not too late for you to recover the lost ground in what we initially(i think it was mzee and later phil who first raised this issue) thought you were being fought against: raila succession in luoland. please do the needful. nereah typos/syntax highly regretted. Nereah, The truthfulness, sincerity and objectivity in what you said here is palpable. I have taken great interest in what you have said because I took a somewhat similar view when blogged about this back in August in my blog omwenga.com/2011/08/14/miguna-may-be-hurting-but-he-is-being-disingenuous-as-to-raila/#comments in which I said the following in my conclusion: The point: Miguna should start making amends with Raila by at least not hurling any more nasty stuff as he already done and gather enough strength and offer an apology to Raila who, purely from a political analyst point of view, has done the right thing for himself, his office, the party, and ultimately the country as all these decisions have a bearing and impact on his presidential ambitions. Miguna himself will make the same call, were he in Raila’s shoes. And so will each one of those crying foul. It’s called the politics of survival. Those in it must always be on a look-out not to become casualties. If they are unable to and find themselves under the bus, they have no one other than themselves to blame. I never buy this foul cry that anyone has thrown anyone under the bus: the people have thrown themselves under the bus or train or whatever moving vehicle. This is the lesson all aspiring political players should and must learn. The arrogant and tough talking Alexander Haig, former US Secretary of State, found this the hard way after essentially declaring himself president when then President Ronald Reagan was being treated for gunshot wounds, only to find out his old pal Reagan did not find any of this declaration amusing when told about it and a result, Reagan distanced himself from Haig and ultimately showed him the door. You have basically urged Miguna to do the same thing and I certainly hope he will. That's obviously not an easy thing one can do, especially knowing how fast and fury this has been but I think one can also say putting the breaks on a train headed to total destruction is far more preferably no matter what the consequences. I am fairly certain Miguna believes he has been wronged by Raila, ODM and the Republic for that matter. All three will equally and certainly beg to differ. If I were in his shoes, I would certainly try and make amends for I can't see how this gets any better for him and consistent with his story and known believes going further down the road our friend is on; maybe he does but that'll have to be something completely unorthodox and knowing Raila to be the forgiving man he is, more so the reason he can successfully regroup and be in a position to once again be a part of the same reformist camp. I wish him well.
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Post by nereah on Nov 24, 2011 18:29:14 GMT 3
first i think it was an error of judgment to have held the conference at your residence where the number plates of the cars you are driving and their makes have been publicized in the recorded video clip above. wont be surprised if the editor who sent his reporters to cover a story on the threat of your life deliberately left this to go on air. i know that there are cynics who would say that your narrative in jukwaa is stale or as we say in bondo gima onyam mo ngudh. well, being the late comer and as discerning as i can claim to be, allow me to indulge you once again over this belated tirade, yet again directed at raila odinga. i have read every post on the other thread about threat on your life and took time to have a lengthy chat with a distant relative who has been in the civil service and therefore knows how it works.she served in the directorate of personnel management for the better part of kibaki one. i am informed and i have no reason to doubt that unpaid suspension in civil service can and is always indefinite and there is/are lose of benefit/s depending on the nature of the offense and especially where there is a contract. it means that should you be off the hook against those charges that our roughrider ;D, (arguably jukwaa’s finest wordsmith) keeps reminding us of (and they are indeed serious) then you stand to get all the money. so, even assuming that you took loan to finance the purchase of that beautiful house we see in the footage or purchase any or all of the motor vehicles we also see in the clip, then it all depends with the outcome of this case. she faults you for having taken the matter to court but again that’s her opinion and given that this is now a court case, we can’t delve more into that. she asked me to focus on those conditions you had put to the government (read raila) as basis for the out-of-court settlement, most noteworthy being issued with a clearance letter that would enable you secure another job. i am raising this because i noted you talking about your benefits which include security. now, rhetorically, one may argue that the very reason you were issued with security is the very reason that you may demand one now.but again that’s left to the relevant arms of the government. now, to the crux of the matter: your jibe at raila odinga. now that you have come this far, allow me to ask the question that everyone in jukwaa appears to be skirting around and which, with hint of what your friend adongo stated twice elsewhere,we must confront: who between you and odm(read raila)sought out the other? was it agwambo who fished you out of canada to come and serve his cause or was it you, miguna miguna, who went for agwambo,endeared yourself,gained his trust and ended up in his inner sanctum? did you earn that exalted post in civil service--- that even the likes of david nalo(who am reliably informed is incidentally from your home place) could not have reached despite being one of the senior most ---because of raila odinga or because of you? adongo who i have tremendous respect for let slip that there is something you and him were doing for raila (odm) which in effect (and I may be wrong as usual) shatters that popular consensus in jukwaa that odm is and will remain just as fine without you. adongo has not revealed what this is but it could raise legitimate concern that you could possibly be some kind of a vanunu of odm.you do remember that israeli genius? (again i may be wrong). i know the likes of kipfirimbi, okolowaka,destiny, kamalet, jakaswanga,kamale and tactician would want to know from adongo why odm and not pnu or better still wdp…. ;D my concern and reason for chewing what has been spit is your insistence on framing raila odinga and odm and not the government or francis muthaura? your choice words like delusional in reference to the people backed presidential ambition of raila odinga is not only in bad taste but exposes you to closer scrutiny as regard your agenda given that we are on the eve of an election year where raila is the man to beat and you were his insider. i want to believe as many have counseled you here, omin ondiek, that you can move on, let raila odinga be the least of your worries and emulate your counterparts in america, the likes of axelrod and even lately this basketballer called love who are deserting obama in droves. save for the jewish guy who is now the mayor of chicago, we may not know nor tell why they would want to quit their jobs.common decency would demand that one who hopes to make a career or believe he is not beholden to his former boss does not antagonize his base or potential employer/clients/customers. just before I go, let me ask you to hold court with your most trusted associates and friends and consider this: is it possible that your fallout with raila was a grand project of the powers that be? (remember when phil ;D would report to us here in jukwaa that you are being shadowed even to your social joints) have you considered that as much as you may have legitimate and genuine concerns including the latest ones involving your father in-law and ondiek, you are serving interest of those hideous forces with this self destructive mode? i still insist that it’s not too late for you to make amends. agwambo is forgiving and accommodating. if you doubt me, ask orengo. kenyans and odm members are also a forgiving lot. did we not hand over mzee kibaki the presidency on a wheelchair to steer the second liberation that he long discouraged us with the cutting-mogumo-tree-with- a -razor talk. haven't we not forgiven him for failing to protect lives of 1500 innocent kenyans and properties worth billion of shillings from going up in smoke during the pev yet he had the constitutional duty to do so? another thing...... remember that project that adongo said you had started. it must go to fruition. note: this is my last post on this.typos regretted now, lets go to the dance floor, shall we? ;D
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Post by Man Of Letters on Nov 24, 2011 19:59:31 GMT 3
I still insist that it’s not too late for you to make amends. agwambo is forgiving and accommodating. if you doubt me, ask Orengo. Kenyans and odm members are also a forgiving lot. did we not hand over mzee kibaki the presidency on a wheelchair to steer the second liberation, haven't we not forgiven him for failing to protect lives of 1500 innocent kenyans and properties worth billion of shillings from going up in smoke during the pev yet he had the constitutional duty to do so? Good evening nereah. Please enlighten me, what did Orengo do that was so wrong to require forgiveness, rehabilitation and eventual accommodation? Also Kenyans have not forgiven the hastily sworn in government for failing to protect life and property after the disputed elections.
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Post by phil on Nov 24, 2011 21:25:21 GMT 3
I still insist that it�s not too late for you to make amends. agwambo is forgiving and accommodating. if you doubt me, ask Orengo. Kenyans and odm members are also a forgiving lot. did we not hand over mzee kibaki the presidency on a wheelchair to steer the second liberation, haven't we not forgiven him for failing to protect lives of 1500 innocent kenyans and properties worth billion of shillings from going up in smoke during the pev yet he had the constitutional duty to do so? Good evening nereah. Please enlighten me, what did Orengo do that was so wrong to require forgiveness, rehabilitation and eventual accommodation? Let me take over from Nereah and attempt to answer this. Orengo, Kituyi, Shaw, Raila, Wamalwa, Muite, Nyongo, Kiraitu, Maalim and just about anyone who has mattered in politics in the last 20 years cut their teeth in the original FORD-Kenya, a party then headed by legendary Jaramogi and Muliro, a party reputed to be the closest to a government-in-waiting any opposition party has ever been in Kenya. At that time, alternative opposition was led by the great George Anyona (google that!). In comparison, one looks at present day UDM, an alternative opposition party? Far from it. Resembles a pack pf hyenas than an alternative opposition party. Compare and Contrast..... githongo and miguna. Just what happened in the original FORD-K that led to Raila resigning his membership from that party and running for re-election on an NDP ticket in 1997? And after that, how did James Orengo depart the party to join Leakey and Muite in Muungano ya Mageuzi and then eventually ended up as SDP presidential candidate? What about Wamalwa and his protege Kombo? What did they do to this once promising party? Mind you, as we speak and as you ask, in 2007 Orengo was beaten fair and square by one Steve Mwanga in Ugenya's ODM nomination elections, but the latter failed the political due diligence test. These individuals sailed one boat. Miguna is presumably part of the voyage. It is stupid and pointless for people fighting the same enemy to engage in idiotic side shows for purposes of political expediency and economic reasons. AMISOM and KDF cannot fight themselves in Somalia. That is exactly how absurd this Miguna circus has become. Can Miguna become an Anyona? Impossible, going by his own utterances and selective media appearances.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2011 9:21:15 GMT 3
Good evening nereah. Please enlighten me, what did Orengo do that was so wrong to require forgiveness, rehabilitation and eventual accommodation? Let me take over from Nereah and attempt to answer this. Orengo, Kituyi, Shaw, Raila, Wamalwa, Muite, Nyongo, Kiraitu, Maalim and just about anyone who has mattered in politics in the last 20 years cut their teeth in the original FORD-Kenya, a party then headed by legendary Jaramogi and Muliro, a party reputed to be the closest to a government-in-waiting any opposition party has ever been in Kenya. At that time, alternative opposition was led by the great George Anyona (google that!). In comparison, one looks at present day UDM, an alternative opposition party? Far from it. Resembles a pack pf hyenas than an alternative opposition party. Compare and Contrast..... githongo and miguna. Just what happened in the original FORD-K that led to Raila resigning his membership from that party and running for re-election on an NDP ticket in 1997? And after that, how did James Orengo depart the party to join Leakey and Muite in Muungano ya Mageuzi and then eventually ended up as SDP presidential candidate? What about Wamalwa and his protege Kombo? What did they do to this once promising party? Mind you, as we speak and as you ask, in 2007 Orengo was beaten fair and square by one Steve Mwanga in Ugenya's ODM nomination elections, but the latter failed the political due diligence test. These individuals sailed one boat. Miguna is presumably part of the voyage. It is stupid and pointless for people fighting the same enemy to engage in idiotic side shows for purposes of political expediency and economic reasons. AMISOM and KDF cannot fight themselves in Somalia. That is exactly how absurd this Miguna circus has become. Can Miguna become an Anyona? Impossible, going by his own utterances and selective media appearances. Phil of course you know that what you say of Ford-Kenya is UNTRUE. Ford-K of Jaramogi was NEVER a government-in-waiting in opposition. If anything Ford-K was such a small opposition party that it actually lay behind Ford-Asili and DP after the 1992 elections! If only to be helpful, it was the original Ford of Matiba, Odinga Nthenge, Gachoka and Muliro that would have fitted that description!
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Post by nalinali on Nov 25, 2011 9:48:53 GMT 3
In my view Miguna has transcended the acceptable level of idiocy in his tirades against Agwambo. I had thought highly of him. Not anymore.
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Post by mzee on Nov 25, 2011 12:52:28 GMT 3
The only reason why Miguna Miguna has lost all credibility is because he has now turned into an open liar. It could be that some people threatened him but to claim that it’s Raila who is behind such persons is to say the least cheap and publicity seeking.
In other words, the moment Miguna slid into the lies and spin about Raila wanting to kill him because of his articles, he lost the plot completely.
I understand that Miguna is seeking attention but there are many ways of getting the same without involving the PM. The PM is an easy target for many buffoons in Kenya such as Waititu, Kuttuny, Wakoli Bifoli, Jirongo, Mwakwere ete. I had hoped that Miguna would not join this group. But I was completely wrong.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 28, 2012 15:02:57 GMT 3
The only reason why Miguna Miguna has lost all credibility is because he has now turned into an open liar. It could be that some people threatened him but to claim that it’s Raila who is behind such persons is to say the least cheap and publicity seeking. In other words, the moment Miguna slid into the lies and spin about Raila wanting to kill him because of his articles, he lost the plot completely. I understand that Miguna is seeking attention but there are many ways of getting the same without involving the PM. The PM is an easy target for many buffoons in Kenya such as Waititu, Kuttuny, Wakoli Bifoli, Jirongo, Mwakwere ete. I had hoped that Miguna would not join this group. But I was completely wrong. OPEN LETTER TO MIGUNA MIGUNA WHO SEES HIMSELF AS A PATRIOT WITH DUTY! SPEAK, BE REDEEMED OR HOLD YOUR TONGUE FOREVER!I surmise from the adminstrator of this blog you read jukwaa. I hope I please you by avoiding the characterisation lurker! Therefore I am confident this (..) shall reach you. It is about your shirking of patriotic duties at a pivotal moment. You were the PM's advisor on coalitional affairs, but now even as you are freed from that official capacity, there is every reason why you should continue to articulate the finer points on behalf of wanjiku in public. That means writing and analysing the hectic going ons for the public without reserve. If you are knowledgeable in these delicate matters, it is warped to stop writing about them in public as soon as you are nolonger getting paid! Seing how you love the limelight! For instance: the appointment of the new head of public service. Done while Raila is snoring in Davos. Is it a breach of the c onsultation clause? What is the position of the NARA agreement [which I think would disqualify UK from the DPM's post] vis-a-vis the transition clauses in chapter six and the integrity clauses? Look at how the AG's mind is crippled, and lo, heavyweight puncher Miguna too has intellectually fainted on us! Remember how you went for us to the Hague on your own money? If you take the position of an independent observer, though one who has been an insider and knows how the wheels turn, I think you will be a greater service to yourself and wanjiku, than you are when buffooning around with Jeff Koinange and belittling the Mwaseras and Carolis of Nairobi. And still be promoting that book! You really have no idea how stupid you sound when, on national TV, you go on about the ranks in the PM's office, and shut up like now on the real beef, leaving Mutula Kilonzo for whatever reason, to wave the flag on behalf of wanjiku! You have been writing a book, so it is not that you have entered some 'writer's block'! Or are you in a state best described as a 'thinker's block?' ---That is you can write some tabloid book of no intellectual challenge, but nolonger can interpret law at Trendafilovas level. Speak now, or shut up forever! Jossy Ja-Nyando!
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Post by quitepotato on Jan 29, 2012 16:20:19 GMT 3
Lord, the God of host, Adonai, Elohim,spoke to me in a dream and said, " Ask him why he has abandoned me.Tell him the vengeance belong to me,the Lord.Remind him of love he once had for me.
Am i not the one who heard his cries on the dungeons of Nyayo House and spirited him out to the land where I prospered him?
The future is bright but he must first overcome the bitterness and the false spirits of pride,vengeance and arrogance." Then the spirit of the Lord guided me to this photo as a reminder of the worship experience. www.flickr.com/photos/photovideos/444498498/Romans 12:19Proverbs 8:13Amos 6:8New King James Verson
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 3:16:08 GMT 3
The only reason why Miguna Miguna has lost all credibility is because he has now turned into an open liar. It could be that some people threatened him but to claim that it’s Raila who is behind such persons is to say the least cheap and publicity seeking. In other words, the moment Miguna slid into the lies and spin about Raila wanting to kill him because of his articles, he lost the plot completely. I understand that Miguna is seeking attention but there are many ways of getting the same without involving the PM. The PM is an easy target for many buffoons in Kenya such as Waititu, Kuttuny, Wakoli Bifoli, Jirongo, Mwakwere ete. I had hoped that Miguna would not join this group. But I was completely wrong. OPEN LETTER TO MIGUNA MIGUNA WHO SEES HIMSELF AS A PATRIOT WITH DUTY! SPEAK, BE REDEEMED OR HOLD YOUR TONGUE FOREVER!I surmise from the adminstrator of this blog you read jukwaa. I hope I please you by avoiding the characterisation lurker! Therefore I am confident this (..) shall reach you. It is about your shirking of patriotic duties at a pivotal moment. You were the PM's advisor on coalitional affairs, but now even as you are freed from that official capacity, there is every reason why you should continue to articulate the finer points on behalf of wanjiku in public. That means writing and analysing the hectic going ons for the public without reserve. If you are knowledgeable in these delicate matters, it is warped to stop writing about them in public as soon as you are nolonger getting paid! Seing how you love the limelight! For instance: the appointment of the new head of public service. Done while Raila is snoring in Davos. Is it a breach of the c onsultation clause? What is the position of the NARA agreement [which I think would disqualify UK from the DPM's post] vis-a-vis the transition clauses in chapter six and the integrity clauses? Look at how the AG's mind is crippled, and lo, heavyweight puncher Miguna too has intellectually fainted on us! Remember how you went for us to the Hague on your own money? If you take the position of an independent observer, though one who has been an insider and knows how the wheels turn, I think you will be a greater service to yourself and wanjiku, than you are when buffooning around with Jeff Koinange and belittling the Mwaseras and Carolis of Nairobi. And still be promoting that book! You really have no idea how stupid you sound when, on national TV, you go on about the ranks in the PM's office, and shut up like now on the real beef, leaving Mutula Kilonzo for whatever reason, to wave the flag on behalf of wanjiku! You have been writing a book, so it is not that you have entered some 'writer's block'! Or are you in a state best described as a 'thinker's block?' ---That is you can write some tabloid book of no intellectual challenge, but nolonger can interpret law at Trendafilovas level. Speak now, or shut up forever! Jossy Ja-Nyando! Ya really Miguna!
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Post by morimax on Jan 31, 2012 9:44:37 GMT 3
Self elevation while belittling others, will truly bring MM down. he who goes up will eventualy come down. MM remind yourself of this. blog.jaluo.com/?p=22350
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