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Post by kunadawa on Nov 15, 2011 19:23:34 GMT 3
Ignoring how emotive Israel is to many devout Muslims, Raiila had to rub it in with his unsolicited appeal to Israel to help Kenya in its war on al Shabab. Our PM needs some serious advice outside from his normal corterie of psycophants otherwise he may make one blunder too many for his political career www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15725632 |
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Post by mbuta on Nov 15, 2011 20:19:35 GMT 3
What are you blabbering on about Kunadawa....have you taken your medication?  |
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 16, 2011 1:00:56 GMT 3
Kunadawa
I fully support Raila visit now, any military support from Israel is highly appreciated, who was on our side during 1998 Bombing with K9? Israel
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Post by subsaharanite on Nov 16, 2011 2:24:01 GMT 3
Trying to get Israel in the war bandwagon was a gross mistake for Kenya.
I think Israel should be the last country to ask for support when fighting against any state affiliated with Islam. It does not matter whether we have genuine grounds to go fight but when you bring in Israel, you infuriate the whole Arab and Islam world who have been either openly or clandestinely against Israel. Al-Shabaab will use this opportunity to once more brainstorm Somalis any Muslims therein in general that their war is against Allah's number one enemy. Anyone who associates with Allah's enemy is going to be their enemy too.
We should have clandestinely asked Israel for support. This act may accord Al-Shabaab more support.
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Post by kunadawa on Nov 16, 2011 9:39:16 GMT 3
@ mbuta: i'm taking the truth serum  @ jobless corner: if KDF did not need the US help to attack Shabbab why would we go for their poodle? @ subsaharanite: i concur with your sentiments, save for the part of requesting clandestine Israeli support. Strategically it is more important for Kenya to cultivate friendly relations with its Muslim neighbours, including Sudan which already wants to join the East Afican Community. Notwithstanding the fact that Muslims form a significant part of Kenya and Tanzania. The fact that we're headed for an election year makes Raila's faux pas even more amazing |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 16, 2011 9:43:24 GMT 3
My only concern is the propaganda war that Al shabaab now will wage with claims of "zionist" involvement in Somalia! What I said on the thread about Raila being in the holy land. This action was not clever at all and i would have preferred the engagement the Kenyan military/government has with the US which is covert and nothing being reported about it. It is nice to meet the Israeli PM...but I hope the advice was not to build a wall separating us from the terrorists in Somalia as the Israeli's have done in Gaza! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 16, 2011 9:57:31 GMT 3
The problem with our PM is that he always approaches issues with an open mouth rather than an open mind. Talk of taking the kitendawili joke too far.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2011 10:24:06 GMT 3
Interesting to note that the UFAAS (United Front Against Al Shabaab) here in Jukwaa is even more united against Raila Odinga who, ironically, had gone to Israel to seek more support to vanquish the same Al Shabaab!One a more serious note, here is the reaction of Al Shabaab to Raila's trip to Israel: www.news24.com/Africa/News/Shabaab-bashes-Kenya-Israel-security-pact-20111116Onyango Oloo
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Post by roughrider on Nov 16, 2011 10:46:36 GMT 3
I often wish people would consider things more seriously before writing.
The war against Al Shabaab has nothing to do with Islam. As Adongo pointed out somewhere, the objective of extremist elements and their propaganda is to make it so.
We are supposed to cower in fear and avoid Israel and other friends because of what Al Shabaab will think?
In my book, this is plain stupid.
We are explaining to Muslims (and predominantly Muslim countries) what we are doing in Somalia and they know it has nothing to do with Islam. We are asking for their help and support.
We are also explaining to the West and to Israel what we are doing in Somalia.
We are doing our business as it should be done: With clear goals, with moral authority and with broad based international support.
Al Shabaab has already declared they want to corrupt our youth and bomb our towns. They already recruited Elgiva Bwire. Al Qaida already bombed us several times. Visiting Israel will not change how they view us, but will help us secure support, intelligence and improve capacity.
Al Shabaab will soon be history. But Israel and other friends will remain.
There is no country in the World that knows how to win the type of war we are facing more than Israel. There is no country more experienced at dealing with hurled grenades or suicide bombers.
Some people have suggested that we should have sent SMALL fish to Israel. But small fish cannot execute BIG agendas.
In my view, Raila’s meeting with Netanyahu, just as the recent meetings with Burundi, Uganda, Tanzania and whatever Kalonzo has been up to in Cyprus are meant to send a clear and lasting message: Kenya is not to be trifled with. She can mobilize international opinion and support in ways many countries would not.
Already a Ugandan MP from Soroti has written an article in the Monitor suggesting a seismic shift in geopolitical weight in the region.
Israel is a small country but few would play around with it. Why? Precisely because they have understood where global military, political and economic power lies and have manipulated it very well for their survival. What is wrong with Kenya playing the same game?
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Post by kunadawa on Nov 16, 2011 10:57:03 GMT 3
Obviously the geopolitics is beyond you. Our position is the war aginst Shabab is not a war against Islam. Shabab's view is that they are defending Islam. Therefore Raila's visit to Israel and request for Israeli support vindicates Shabab's view. Our advantage is that Shabab are currently running around like headless chicken and will soon be history, hence their inability to make any political capital out of Raila's blunder. However Kenya will be hard pressed to gain the trust of the Somali people and help in rebuilding Somalia while openly consorting with Israel. Thus my humble plea to Raila and his handlers. I often wish people would consider things more seriously before writing. The war against Al Shabaab has nothing to do with Islam. As Adongo pointed out somewhere, the objective of extremist elements and their propaganda is to make it so. We are supposed to cower in fear and avoid Israel and other friends because of what Al Shabaab will think? In my book, this is plain stupid. We are explaining to Muslims (and predominantly Muslim countries) what we are doing in Somalia and they know it has nothing to do with Islam. We are asking for their help and support. We are also explaining to the West and to Israel what we are doing in Somalia. We are doing our business as it should be done: With clear goals, with moral authority and with broad based international support. Al Shabaab has already declared they want to corrupt our youth and bomb our towns. They already recruited Elgiva Bwire. Al Qaida already bombed us several times. Visiting Israel will not change how they view us, but will help us secure support, intelligence and improve capacity. Al Shabaab will soon be history. But Israel and other friends will remain. There is no country in the World that knows how to win the type of war we are facing more than Israel. There is no country more experienced at dealing with hurled grenades or suicide bombers. Some people have suggested that we should have sent SMALL fish to Israel. But small fish cannot execute BIG agendas. In my view, Raila’s meeting with Netanyahu, just as the recent meetings with Burundi, Uganda, Tanzania and whatever Kalonzo has been up to in Cyprus are meant to send a clear and lasting message: Kenya is not to be trifled with. She can mobilize international opinion and support in ways many countries would not. Already a Ugandan MP from Soroti has written an article in the Monitor suggesting a seismic shift in geopolitical weight in the region. Israel is a small country but few would play around with it. Why? Precisely because they have understood where global military, political and economic power lies and have manipulated it very well for their survival. What is wrong with Kenya playing the same game? |
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Post by nereah on Nov 16, 2011 10:59:18 GMT 3
the raila hate society is at it again. can someone help me understand: was this trip and therefore seeking israelis security help a cabinet sanctioned exploit or not? if not, why is george the saitoti in the entourage?
i think there was a pact signed between saitoti on behalf of the government and israeli counterpart(ehud barak?) but because of the incompetence of pm's media team and government's spokesman, everything is being left to the wild imagination of the anti-agwambo elements.
in the other thread(raila visit holyland)there are photos of m7 visiting israel and meeting the bibi barely 24 hours after agwambo met his israeli counterpart.
i have it on the authority of the star that museveni is coming to nairobi for crucial talks on somalia.
i am saying that this is not about raila, it is about the government and people of kenya.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 16, 2011 11:30:30 GMT 3
Obviously the geopolitics is beyond you. Our position is the war aginst Shabab is not a war against Islam. Shabab's view is that they are defending Islam. Therefore Raila's visit to Israel and request for Israeli support vindicates Shabab's view. Our advantage is that Shabab are currently running around like headless chicken and will soon be history, hence their inability to make any political capital out of Raila's blunder. However Kenya will be hard pressed to gain the trust of the Somali people and help in rebuilding Somalia while openly consorting with Israel. Thus my humble plea to Raila and his handlers. Let us disagree, agreeably. My interpretation is different from yours. Perhaps you are too interested in Raila to miss the point that this is probably a stratagem discussed by the government and they chose Raila to execute. After all, there are senior police and military officers accompanying the PM. I will reiterate my point: It is important for Kenya to carry out its affairs in spite of what you call 'propaganda'. You do not understand that the politics of the middle east has shifted considerably over the past years. Israel itself established diplomatic and trade relations with many 'Muslim countries'. Just do your research. You are probably unaware that Kenya has had long standing cooperation with Israel on security and this is an open secret. You are probably unaware that Kenya is working with several Muslim countries on the Somalia issue. On Somalia, Kenya's success will be judged not by how it acquires its technology but what it does after uprooting Al Shabaab from Afmadow, Kismaayo and other southern towns. That is why pacification and other humanitarian work has started. That is why we are firm on bringing the troops back as soon as we are done. That is why this operation is led by the TFG. |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 16, 2011 12:43:05 GMT 3
Kunadawa
You are on the money!
Raila is trying very much to play a game where he is seen publicly to seek Israel's support, with a view to impress the Americans. Things like military and security cooperation are never done in public glare!
Least people forgot Israel is having its issues which means anyone associating with them will alienate other side of the spectrum. Take Turkey which has considerable business interest in Kenya, and a strong view on Somalia seeing us very close with Israel makes them jittery.
Israel is now surrounded by a very radical countries, thanks to the Arab spring revolt. We have Eqypt, Tunisia and Libya under Muslim brotherhood - where their populace have shown clear dislike of anything Israel. Remember several weeks ago when the Israel Embassy was attacked by crowds forcing it to close? What about Iran - who supply all our oil?
So, it was never right for Raila to venture so earlier to Israel especially when the operation in Somalia is on-going, and that would give the impression that he is seeking help from arch- rivals to Muslims. To many it is clear now that war in Somalia is actually Uncle Tom's and Kenya is used as a proxy.
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Post by kunadawa on Nov 16, 2011 12:45:56 GMT 3
Ok we disagree agreably. Only 1 point of order: you cannot hide behind 'maybe the government sent Raila...' Raila is PM who supervices and coordinates government policy and according to NARA he is at the very apex of the power sharing arrangement Obviously the geopolitics is beyond you. Our position is the war aginst Shabab is not a war against Islam. Shabab's view is that they are defending Islam. Therefore Raila's visit to Israel and request for Israeli support vindicates Shabab's view. Our advantage is that Shabab are currently running around like headless chicken and will soon be history, hence their inability to make any political capital out of Raila's blunder. However Kenya will be hard pressed to gain the trust of the Somali people and help in rebuilding Somalia while openly consorting with Israel. Thus my humble plea to Raila and his handlers. Let us disagree, agreeably. My interpretation is different from yours. Perhaps you are too interested in Raila to miss the point that this is probably a stratagem discussed by the government and they chose Raila to execute. After all, there are senior police and military officers accompanying the PM. I will reiterate my point: It is important for Kenya to carry out its affairs in spite of what you call 'propaganda'. You do not understand that the politics of the middle east has shifted considerably over the past years. Israel itself established diplomatic and trade relations with many 'Muslim countries'. Just do your research. You are probably unaware that Kenya has had long standing cooperation with Israel on security and this is an open secret. You are probably unaware that Kenya is working with several Muslim countries on the Somalia issue. On Somalia, Kenya's success will be judged not by how it acquires its technology but what it does after uprooting Al Shabaab from Afmadow, Kismaayo and other southern towns. That is why pacification and other humanitarian work has started. That is why we are firm on bringing the troops back as soon as we are done. That is why this operation is led by the TFG. |
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Post by cheshirecat on Nov 16, 2011 12:52:23 GMT 3
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Post by roughrider on Nov 16, 2011 13:07:32 GMT 3
Ok we disagree agreably. Only 1 point of order: you cannot hide behind 'maybe the government sent Raila...' Raila is PM who supervices and coordinates government policy and according to NARA he is at the very apex of the power sharing arrangement You are right, it is indeed not just the governments decision but Raila's. I am arguing that it is the right decision. But people who think that this started yesterday are mistaken. In fact in Feb of 2010 Saitoti was in Israel to discuss Somalia's situation and how Israel can help. Israel wants part of the USD 20 billion arms market in Africa. |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 16, 2011 13:32:30 GMT 3
KunadawaYou are on the money! Raila is trying very much to play a game where he is seen publicly to seek Israel's support, with a view to impress the Americans. Things like military and security cooperation are never done in public glare! People have been trying to guess Raila's intentions for many years. So this view is not surprising. It will just join the line. It is funny to think that Americans only notice things that are in the public glare. I wonder what the view is given that the same Raila Odinga has spearheaded relations with Iran 'in the public glare' including a back-to-back trip to the US and Iran last April. Did that impress the Americans? This is an unimaginative view. It is probably a product of the Bush doctrine. You are either with us or against us. That is why many uninformed Africans still believe that if you have relations with an Arab country you cannot do the same with Israel. Evidence suggests otherwise. It reminds me of the time when Israel signed a peace accord with Egypt. For extremists on both sides that was sacrilege. Kenya has done quite well being very close to Israel for may years while transacting biashara with Arab countries. Some people do not know for example that the US provided up to a billion dollars in aid to Egypt, an arab country or that it gets most of its oil from Saudia Arabia. yet who can argue that the US has the closest of relationships with Israel? My interpretation of the 'Arab spring' and my analysis is that it will lead to more democratic and open societies in the arab World. Already the Tunisians are moving in a decidedly progressive fashion. In Egypt we see signs of openness. All evidence suggests that this will be the case. The fear around the so called 'Muslim Brotherhood' was US-inspired propaganda when they were not sure where the uprisings would go. It suffices to say that the Arab League and the West strongly supported what was happening in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt. The reality of a democratic Arab World is that it will be easier to transact open and transparent business. The knee-jerk reactions. The fundamentalism will reduce considerably. I have read an interesting study on Turkey recently and with time I might come back and share some tit bits We must say that this is merely an opinion that reflects the propaganda of Al Shabaab. We heard it even before the Raila visit to Israel. Honest Muslims will tell you that Al Shabaab is a danger to Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion. |
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Post by kunadawa on Nov 16, 2011 14:36:34 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 16, 2011 21:04:07 GMT 3
Thanks for the link. This exerpt demonstrates the extreme lack of judgement in the PR department of the OPM. Did Raila honestly ask Netanyahu to start running things for us? Will Igadd hand over its duties to Netanyahu?  A statement from the Odinga's office said Netanyahu promised to help build "a coalition against fundamentalism," bringing together the countries Kenya, Ethiopia, South Sudan and Tanzania. Kenya said that Peres said Israel was ready to make "everything available to Kenya" for internal security.Hehehehehehe. If the Railaphobics could spend half as much time chasing Al Shabaab as they spend looking for what to blame Raila for, may be the war in Somali would be over already with Al Shabaab drowning in deep sea. Engaging Israel directly in these things may not be the best approach but hiding under the cover of darkness to have Israeli tanks, bombs and munition help with the war is just fine with the war fanatics who behave like this is their war and everybody else should just sit way baaaaack and watch them finish Al Shabaab in between singing but our troops. It does not take much to figure out if Israeli is engaged in the war or not. In fact being busted hiding while begging the zionists for weapons to destroy your neighbour is a bigger sin and can have worse consequenses. The question we need to know is whether the Israeli arsenal is part of the equation or NOT. If they are it will be public knowledge sooner than later. And all these noise makers about Raila have not asked themselves one question. Is Raila the PM of Israel? I know he is everything including the ICC prosecutor and judge but is he really the PM and/or president of Israel? No he is NOT. Do you know what Netanyahu, the PM and Peres the president said publicly about the Kenya-Israeli pact? Why are you folks not whining about that? Because they have no clue what they are talking about other than the "let's say something about Raila choir". Once the Israeli leaders made the deal public it would be foolish for Kenya to deny any knowledge of such a deal. So before you cry yourself sore about Raila, get your facts straight. Then go back to Raila. That way at least you don't look ridiculous. It is not a bad thing try it. And now we have the absolutely nonsensical statement about Raila asking Netanyahu to run things for Kenyans. People need tyo at least learn about things like state to state protocol. When two leaders say President Obama and Netanyahu meet often they call a joint press conference to brief the media and the public about what they talked about if it is that important. They may just issue statements. But Kenya has no authority to order Netanyahu not to issue any statements about his meeting with other leaders just as Netanyahu has no such powers either. It is up to the leaders to decide what they will make public, if any and what they wil not. In this case both parties issued public statements and now our panya route experts are all over the map. Sometimes there is no panya route. Sometimes we taek our Kenyan kifua politics too far. It doesn't work everywhere. Sawa? |
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Post by subsaharanite on Nov 16, 2011 21:21:19 GMT 3
I in particular and I think Kunadawa are not opposed to Raila as a person, I am just opposed to the idea of openly involving Israel in this fiasco. The Arab world and Muslims in general believe that their source of conflicts started with the creation of Israel in the first place. Its one of those 'wrongs' that many of them hold. When it comes to supporting each other on that issue, they all stand on one ground. If Israel decides to send even a single soldier to help us, it will be a game changer, all Muslims will be up against Kenya whether openly or clandestinely.
We must realize that Muslim leaders have used the Koran to incapacitate their population. They literary interpret the book and invoke the name of Allah whenever they perform acts that may not be conformal to the modern world. As such, it always does not take a whole lot of persuasion to align the Muslim world into one entity and a situation where Israel is involved is certainly a ripe opportunity.
Lets come back here at home; a lot of Muslim youths are in Somalia fighting against Kenya yet their parents cannot even volunteer such information and those who do, only do it for fear of their lives or after their death. Why do you think this happens? Whose side do you think these parents are? Kenya's or Shabaab? You have heard the army stating that the coastal locals within Kenya are not cooperating with them. Isn't it obvious which side they support?
Muslims whether in Kenya or Somali or America have the same view about Israel. They view it as an aggressor who has grabbed their land, oppressed their brethren in Palestine and deserves to die. Friends of Israel therefore automatically become their second tier enemies. An Israeli attacking a Muslim whether within Israel, Palestine, Kenya or Somali therefore invokes the long held animosity in all Muslims.
PM was simply a messenger from the Kenyan government and therefore is not under attack here. Those who are trying to twist up this tale therefore should first of all think of the Muslim/Israel conflict before localizing these so called attacks against PM.
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Post by einstein on Nov 16, 2011 23:49:21 GMT 3
I think since the night we swore in our own President under the cover of darkness, some Kenyans think it is now fashionable the world over to do everything in secret! Without wanting to look into the Jukwaa archives, I'm almost sure that those hitting at the PM now are also amongst the same group who criticised the PM's mediation role in Ivory Coast when that mad man in that country thought he could subvert the will of the people after losing an election and get away with it like somebody did in Kenya. Raila gave him a very good exit strategy which he arrogantly turned down (with the anti-PM group here on the board cheering the mad man on). What happened to the mad man thereafter is history and those who criticised the PM's efforts then, went dead silent thereafter as well. I wonder why certain people try to play smart alecs all the time only to swallow huge chunks of humble pies with the resultant effect of severe constipation. But yeah, I almost forgot that some Kenyans are experts on everything and anything. We shall soon find out whether or not Raila really needs to style-up. It wont be long folks! Subsaharanite,Have you really read the title of this thread? Who, in your view, is under attack here? Is it the government of Kenya or is it the person of Raila. Or are you saying it was not the intention of Kunadawa to have the thread captioned as it currently is? PM was simply a messenger from the Kenyan government and therefore is not under attack here. Those who are trying to twist up this tale therefore should first of all think of the Muslim/Israel conflict before localizing these so called attacks against PM. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 17, 2011 0:06:27 GMT 3
I think since the night we swore in our own President under the cover of darkness, some Kenyans think it is now fashionable the world over to do everything in secret! Without wanting to look into the Jukwaa archives, I'm almost sure that those hitting at the PM now are also amongst the same group who criticised the PM's mediation role in Ivory Coast when that mad man in that country thought he could subvert the will of the people after losing an election and get away with it like somebody did in Kenya. Raila gave him a very good exit strategy which he arrogantly turned down (with the anti-PM group here on the board cheering the mad man on). What happened to the mad man thereafter is history and those who criticised the PM's efforts then went dead silent thereafter as well. I wonder why certain people try to play smart alecs all the time only to swallow huge chunks of humble pies with the resultant effect of severe constipation. But yeah, I almost forgot that some Kenyans are experts on everything and anything. We shall soon find out whether or not Raila really needs to style-up. It wont be long folks! Exactly. Kenya as a country makes a decision if they want to seek military help from Israel. That is a decision of the president and the PM as well with the cabinet nod. That is not a decision for the PM to make. Once Kenya makes that move, it is foolish to think you can carry all that out in secrecy using panya routes. That is an official government decision. When the Americans decided in 1991 against involving Israel in the attacks and the coalition, that was their official position. It would have been lethal and completely counter productive to pretend during the day that Israel is not involved and then bring their war planes at night to carry out raids in Baghdad. If the members of the coalition find that out you have a complete mess in your hands. But some Kenyans like night and day politics of one thing during the day and another thing during the night. They actually think being devious and lying is a sign of smartness and leadership. You know how many times they told us Kibaki is a good liar and conman and therefore a good leader. If Kenya thinks involving Israel is a bad thing, then don't involve them at all. Look for alternatives. But if they desperately need them then trying to lie about that is a waste of time. You are going to be busted tomorrow and look very stupid even to your allies. They have to tell their allies like TFG the truth during the day and during the night or risk major blow ups in the coalition even of the coerced. |
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Post by okolowaka on Nov 17, 2011 0:07:14 GMT 3
Change this thread title to: Kenya Needs to Style UpKunadawa, The diplomatic engagements that the PM, Vice President, Minister for Defense, Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for Internal Security are currently engaged in is all Kenya government policy being implemented. Kenya war council actually met, planned the course of action to take (diplomatic and military), then assigned specific duties to specific persons to achieve the desired results. In your opinion Raila ignored all due protocol and has decided to pursue his personal agenda (ODM, nusu mkate). That you believe and therefore imply that Raila just decided to hop into a plane and went to Israel to discuss Al-Shabaab with the Israeli Prime Minister and Israeli President with no involvement in planning, and approval from the Kenya government betrays your blind hatred for Raila Odinga. Why all the hatred for one man? You could have picked on a subject like corruption, nepotism, greed, tribalism, ODM elections, etc, to write an article that relates to the thread header but your blind hatred just suspended reason for a moment, right? Appraise yourself on the workings of the diplomatic and military engagements that Kenya is involved in while on hot pursuit of Al Shabaab before you pen articles like this one. And change the thread header to read: Kenya Needs to Style UP |
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Post by subsaharanite on Nov 17, 2011 3:04:10 GMT 3
Einstein,
Of course I read the title as well as the body and I soon realized what Kunadawa was saying is not necessarily what the title implies. That's why contribution is solely on the Kenyan stand and not Raila's visit.
Do not draw a comparison between Raila's mandates in Ivory coast and the current shuttle diplomacy to Israel cause in the latter, he his on a mission under instructions from the Kenyan government while in the former case, he represented AU. I in particular does not oppose any of these tasks given to him as he is a mere messenger. I however have a problem with the Kenyan government on their quest to bring Israel on board. Even when US wants invade any largely Muslim country, they never involve Israel, a state with first hand information and experiences on middle eastern states.
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Post by jeff on Nov 18, 2011 16:26:59 GMT 3
OOPS! OPM says:A statement from the Odinga's office said Netanyahu promised to help build "a coalition against fundamentalism," bringing together the countries Kenya, Ethiopia, South Sudan and Tanzania. Kenya said that Peres said Israel was ready to make "everything available to Kenya" for internal security.
According to AP:Quote 1" The outcome of the meetings — and the extent of Israel's moves to ally with the Africans — remains murky. Kenya's leader went so far as to say Israel promised to provide security assistance to his country to help protect its borders Israeli officials say such claims are premature, but say an alliance with Kenya and other eastern African countries is natural." Quote 2" Upon returning to Kenya, Prime Minister Raila Odinga said Netanyahu promised to help build "a coalition against fundamentalism," bringing together the countries Kenya, Ethiopia, South Sudan and Tanzania. Kenya also said Israel's president, Shimon Peres, told him Israel was ready to make "everything available to Kenya" for internal security.
Netanyahu's office refused to comment on Odinga's claims, while Peres' office suggested the Kenyan leader had gone too far.
An official in the president's office said Peres had boasted that Israel is one of the most advanced countries in the world regarding homeland security and would be happy to share its expertise with any country fighting "global terror." But the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because it was a sensitive diplomatic matter, said no specifics were discussed.
An Israeli diplomat who participated in the meetings with the African leaders said they had expressed "great concern" about the unrest rocking the Arab world, and that it could somehow lead to the rise of Islamic extremism in Africa.
He said no formal deals were signed, and the African leaders had not presented a formal "shopping list." Instead, he said the sides "expressed concern and desire to think together and create partnerships of concern."
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