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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 26, 2011 0:52:59 GMT 3
I read with disappointment that Raila Junior is divorcing from his wife. Far from me meddling on a personal tribulations and misfortunes, the divorce, as was the marriage, has ramification politically which could not escape my attention. Their marriage was seen as a blessing in disguise for Raila - his son married a daughter of wealthy Kikuyu who was then NSE chairman James Wangunyu, now retired, but remains managing director of Standard Investment Bank. Many had speculated that because of the marriage, Raila will no longer be seen as a stranger in the Central County and would even favourably pick votes. Indeed, he spent most of his time in Meru and Embu campaigning and attending politically oriented functions, as if to say Kikuyuland was covered.
In years past, marriage between tribes, clan and so on cemented the different grouping yielding interesting political alliances. it was seen smart move for astute politicians to marry from your rival family. Moi's son married from a wealthy family from the coast - sealing Moi's influence and patronage from that part of the country.
One must therefore wonder how the breakage of the matrimony will fare on Raila's political mileage in Kikuyuland. Will it consume the little goodwill the marriage brought along with it? Taking him to be mean, shall we assumed that Central is already in Raila's bag, hence the right time for divorce?
Sublimely, points to note,
1. the husband initiated the divorce - meaning the wife was not keen to play ball - he even seeking his costs - how acrimonious?
2. the wife who deserted the matrimonial house was served in July but yet to respond.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Nov 26, 2011 1:14:47 GMT 3
sadik,
rather than speculate on what irreconcilable differences may have led to this unfortunate turn of events, please join us in praying for fidel and his soon to be divorced wife.
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Post by moesha on Nov 26, 2011 6:50:16 GMT 3
Daktari wa makazi1. First and foremost, Marriage is a union between TWO people who love each other and would like to share their future together. This applies to most people, politicians and their children included. Stop peddling cheap propaganda that somehow Fidels marriage to a kikuyu was supposed to give Raila political mileage in that region. It is really tasteless. Raila is self made, he doesnt need his children to gain any momentum and he was no stranger to mt Kenya even before the nuptials. 2. Secondly, Fidel and Raila Jr are a non-factors when it comes to any politics be it ODM's or Nyanza's. That Fidel chose a kikuyu wife is his prerogative and I doubt Raila had any say in that. It brought no good will to anybody other than his family and personally I havent met anyone who cares enough to even ask what went wrong. 3. Lastly, and this is pure speculation, fact that she left the home in July shows me she was not too keen about being in that marriage anyway.... infact Fidel may be doing her a favor in expediting the process.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2011 7:44:04 GMT 3
Any case of divorce is always depressing especially to those with a value for the sanctity of marriage. Fidel's parents are a clear case of people with respect for that institution considering that they have been together in perhaps a lot more tough times in their marriage than anything their son can claim broke their marriage! That Ida had to endure all those years of her husbands incaceration and still stuck to her man one would have expected her children to understand the resolve of a marriage partner!
As for Fidel, having his photos appearing in gossip sections of local media canoodling other women in public must have been a bit tough for his young wife - perhaps explaining why she could not be bothered to even contest the divorce!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 26, 2011 7:48:30 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 26, 2011 10:15:50 GMT 3
Yo! Moderator Oloo,
Following the Ongoro & Hubby soap thread, and now this this soap thread, perhaps it is an idea to have a society gossip thread [like we have with music in dedications, and I man psalms for ganja lovers]. We just call it SOCIETY AND GOSSIP HERE!
I have some interesting gossip of my own to spead, but I find it beneath Jukwaa standards to start a thread about it. [About how double M allegedly knocked out JM out, after the latter attacked him physically in blind rage at the PM's office!]
But, Fidel and Ng'ang'a were a celebrity couple, and just like Khardasian and her rapper, or Paris and her BBC, or Tiger Woods and swedish blonds and golf clubs, there is a huge market for their hard news. My wife updates me on all society gossip, while I update her on our heroes in Somalia.
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Post by kipfirimbi on Nov 26, 2011 17:53:02 GMT 3
Yo! Moderator Oloo, Following the Ongoro & Hubby soap thread, and now this this soap thread, perhaps it is an idea to have a society gossip thread [like we have with music in dedications, and I man psalms for ganja lovers]. We just call it SOCIETY AND GOSSIP HERE!I have some interesting gossip of my own to spead, but I find it beneath Jukwaa standards to start a thread about it. [About how double M allegedly knocked out JM out, after the latter attacked him physically in blind rage at the PM's office!] But, Fidel and Ng'ang'a were a celebrity couple, and just like Khardasian and her rapper, or Paris and her BBC, or Tiger Woods and swedish blonds and golf clubs, there is a huge market for their hard news. My wife updates me on all society gossip, while I update her on our heroes in Somalia. Finally after all the fumbling with condoms in the dark jakaswanga thura reveals he has a dhako hehehehehe was that apossible wankery with of a threesomeness...mit maduong' btw jaka toboa ....jukwaa can managa low level debates look at sadik playing a second fiddle to adongo about omena on serious life and death matters in somaliland ala! |
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Post by patriotism101 on Nov 27, 2011 0:54:39 GMT 3
sadik, rather than speculate on what irreconcilable differences may have led to this unfortunate turn of events, please join us in praying for fidel and his soon to be divorced wife. PuleeeeeeeeeeeeeZ! |
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Post by akinyi2005 on Nov 27, 2011 2:02:25 GMT 3
sadik, rather than speculate on what irreconcilable differences may have led to this unfortunate turn of events, please join us in praying for fidel and his soon to be divorced wife. PuleeeeeeeeeeeeeZ! patriotism101 where i grew up the simple act of praying for a fellow human being going through grief and pain is never frowned upon. try to remove RAO from the equation and you might understand what am talking about.  |
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Post by patriotism101 on Nov 27, 2011 6:21:11 GMT 3
patriotism101 where i grew up the simple act of praying for a fellow human being going through grief and pain is never frowned upon. try to remove RAO from the equation and you might understand what am talking about. Akika - your assumption that RAO has anything to do with my  is in itself ridiculous- after all his very personal intercession to the holy land seems not to have worked on this issue. People marry and divorce all the time- Fidel should get over it- especially if he/she cant keep it in his/her pants. There are just other urgent priorities that need more urgent prayers - this is not one of them. On a serious note. I smell an NSIS conspiracy and the 2012 elections in the whole mess. Keep tabs on this story- there is a lot of juice here- wachana na prayers. |
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Post by b6k on Nov 27, 2011 7:47:43 GMT 3
I have some interesting gossip of my own to spead, but I find it beneath Jukwaa standards to start a thread about it. [About how double M allegedly knocked out JM out, after the latter attacked him physically in blind rage at the PM's office!] Jakaswanga, gossip is unconfirmed news. This is why you see CNN condescendingly referring to news from non CNN sources as unverified reports. That said, since your story has not yet made it to any of the daily rags & therefore lacks a link, we can agree that it's pure gossip. However, I will still bite. What's all this about MM flooring Jakoyo Midiwo? By knocked out do you mean brought down or in its literal sense of put his lights out? ;D |
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 27, 2011 13:02:00 GMT 3
Finally after all the fumbling with condoms in the dark jakaswanga thura reveals he has a dhako hehehehehe was that apossible wankery with of a threesomeness...mit maduong' btw jaka toboa ....jukwaa can managa low level debates look at sadik playing a second fiddle to adongo about omena on serious life and death matters in somaliland ala! , Did you go to secondary school in Nyanza that you picked up abit of the omena lingo? How is your dhako, thura? is she the forgiving type when she catches you broadcasting seed around with impunity like the bad sower in the biblic parable, which Fidel reputedly took after? Of course we can manage low-level debates here! But must we encourage them? b6k Yo!I do not know what you are talking about. But hypothetically for the sake of theoritical argument, you are free to conjecture it was reminiscent of the worst scenes of mayhem from a WWF renditon of Randy Machoman Savage meet The Ultimate Warrior!JM? Is that not John Maina? |
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Post by gateway on Nov 27, 2011 18:40:48 GMT 3
Why is the word Daddy in quotes?? Are you alluding to the rumor that some of Raila's kids might have been born while he was in Detention and therefore they are not his true biological sons?? I have heard that rumor go around. Is that why you decided to put Daddy under quotes? |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 27, 2011 19:59:50 GMT 3
Why is the word Daddy in quotes?? Are you alluding to the rumor that some of Raila's kids might have been born while he was in Detention and therefore they are not his true biological sons?? I have heard that rumor go around. Is that why you decided to put Daddy under quotes? What's up? Did somebody sell you some pretty bad marijuana or did you mistakenly guzzle the liquid hand washing soap?Perhaps you are just bored, with a lot time on your hands??! I can not believe your descent into such mundane and arcane trivialities.Are you actually SERIOUS with your question to me above?Let me suppress my incredulity and answer that question as if it was posed by a sane, well adjusted adult individual. Why did I put the word "Daddy" in quotes? I will give you some reasons:
1. I do not know if Fidel and Raila Junior refer to Raila Odinga as "Daddy". They could refer to him as "Baba" "Wuon Fidel" "Fadhee" "Budaa""Mzae" "Yo! Old Man" "Father" or even "Jakom" "Agwambo""Tinga" "Arap Mibei" or even "Your Right Honourable Prime Minister, Co-Principal MP for Langata Mheshimiwa Sir".
I SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW! OK?
2.The second clue is textual and stylistic. I simply felt like putting the word "Daddy"; an informal word for "male parent", in QUOTES.
3. Context is paramount, my dear Gateway. I was responding to a posting where a Jukwaa member, either deliberately or mistakenly, was confusing the two sons of the Prime Minister. I wanted to convey the correct impression that Raila Odinga actually has TWO SONS.Since I have responded to your rather silly question can you now tell me where you picked up all that bar gossip you are jabbering and yammering about? Onyango Oloo
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Post by Mukwhasi on Nov 28, 2011 1:32:21 GMT 3
JUKWAA
This is very low of you discussing personal and very private family matters about people you do not know personaly.
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Post by bkichwa on Nov 28, 2011 19:37:20 GMT 3
Someone pass Raila a memo regarding his son's filing for a divorce from his Kikuyu wife...it doesn't seem that he is aware of this development seeing that he is still using the "muthoni-wa" line (as recently as this past weekend) when trying to convince Kikuyus that he is not against them. Or is it a case of once an in-law, forever an in-law, divorces notwithstanding? Quote from a news story today on this: The Premier added that the Kenol-Murang’a-Sagana road will be upgraded into a dual carriage way to ease transportation of farm produce in the area. And in a statement aimed at defending his criticism that he was hostile to Kikuyus Odinga told a crowd at Saba Saba town that he was a Muthoni-wa (In-law) of the Kikuyu community and had cordial relationship with them.
Here's the full story: www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/51284-central-plot-to-back-tujuCENTRAL PLOTS TO BACK TUJU IN 2012 Monday, 28 November 2011 00:04 BY STAR TEAM E-mail Print PDF Share/Save/Bookmark NEW SCHEME: Presidential candidate Raphael Tuju campaigning in Bomet. NEW SCHEME: Presidential candidate Raphael Tuju campaigning in Bomet. A group of Central Kenya politicians and strategists have hatched a plot to back former Cabinet Minister Raphael Tuju for President if Uhuru Kenyatta is locked out of the race by the ICC trials. Since Tuju announced his candidature in August, political circles has been rife with talk that Central Kenya politicians could throw their weight behind Tuju's bid as an alternative. They are convinced Tuju can scuttle Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s 2012 hopes for State House. A clique close to President Kibaki is believed to have convinced Tuju to quit his job as as an advisor to the President on media and ethnicity so he can be roped in seamlessly in the event the ICC confirm the charges against Uhuru. The decision by ICC on the charges against Uhuru, Head of Public Service Francis Muthaura, former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali, former Cabinet ministers William Ruto, Henry Kosgey and radio presenter, Joshua arap Sang’ are expected around Christmas. Tuju has previously told the Star that he is not any one's candidate but would not confirm or deny that he is being backed by State House. "I know I am a safe pair of hands. My leadership would not be reckless, or impulsive or just populist," said Tuju. The reason to make Tuju a plan B candidate, according to multiple sources, is to have the Kikuyu community send a message that they can back a none Kikuyu for the top job. "If the country wants a leader from another community we have many options. If it ends up being that Kenyans want a Luo, then Tuju could just be the candidate. We will do what Raila did in 2002 when he declared Kibaki Tosha just because Uhuru, a kikuyu, was running," said Assistant Minister for Agriculture Kareke Mbiuki. Mbiuki is a close ally of Uhuru. Tuju, 52, considers himself a cosmopolitan and says he is in the race to the finish. "I am making a different proposition; a proposition to lead Kenya out of the trap of ethnic politics which has consumed us and undermined our national efforts. And in light of the new constitutional dispensation with new governance structures at the county level, we must usher in a new era of issue-oriented political dispensation," said Tuju when he launched his bid. Tuju hinted at a campaign rally in Bomet on November 13 that he was ready to back a G7 alliance candidate who is most popular than him. The former minister for information told the same meeting that he was in consultations with Eldoret North MP William Ruto to ensure they win the election as a team. And while on a campaign tour of Central Kenya yesterday, Prime Minister Raila criticized the KKK Alliance as tribal, divisive and backward out to divide Kenyans. He told voters reject tribalism by voting to keep Kenya united and free of ethnic divisions. “You should shun the KKK Alliance and go to 2012 elections as people from one ‘K’ that stands for Kenya,” said Odinga. The ODM leader made the statement in Murang’a County when he made a surprise stop at Kenol, Saba Saba, Maragua and Mukuyu towns on his way to Kirinyaga County. While addressing a crowd at Kenol town, the ODM leader said Kenyans should not go to next year’s polls as a divided nation. The Premier who has declared interest in the presidency in next year’s elections said voters should co-exist as Kenyans regardless of their places of origin. “All of us should live as brothers not minding whether one is a Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin, Kamba or any other tribe,” he said. He said the Coalition government had led the nation towards development especially of infrastructure and gave an example of the Nairobi-Thika Super Highway. “We have le the country very well and I and president Kibaki have ensured that Kenyans have good roads like the Thika Super Highway,” he added. The Premier added that the Kenol-Murang’a-Sagana road will be upgraded into a dual carriage way to ease transportation of farm produce in the area. And in a statement aimed at defending his criticism that he was hostile to Kikuyus Odinga told a crowd at Saba Saba town that he was a Muthoni-wa (In-law) of the Kikuyu community and had cordial relationship with them. He further said he had helped campaign for President Mwai Kibaki in the area ahead of the 2002 elections adding that Kibaki won with a land slide victory. Mr Odinga thanked Mt Kenya region for voting in the new constitution adding that it has many benefits which will lead to development. “I came here to thank you for voting in the new constitution enmasse and we will start reaping the benefits fully next year,” said the Premier while addressing a crowd at Maragua town. He at the same time urged residents to shun alcoholism which he said was derailing development in the area and urged all to maintain peace even as the country prepares to go to the polls. Odinga was accompanied by his wife Ida, former Attorney General Charles Njonjo, Kiambaa MP Stanley Githunguri, and Royal Media Services Chairman Samuel Macharia. |
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Post by akinyi2005 on Nov 28, 2011 21:52:02 GMT 3
Doesn't Raila junior's marriage to the daughter of Suzanne Gachukia - Kibukosya make him a muthoniwa ama you want to strip the man to the bone?
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Post by Titchaz on Nov 29, 2011 0:44:54 GMT 3
Doesn't Raila junior's marriage to the daughter of Suzanne Gachukia - Kibukosya make him a muthoniwa ama you want to strip the man to the bone? Hahahaha.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by bkichwa on Nov 29, 2011 10:34:56 GMT 3
Doesn't Raila junior's marriage to the daughter of Suzanne Gachukia - Kibukosya make him a muthoniwa ama you want to strip the man to the bone? Hahahaha.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Poleni. I stand corrected. Titchaz, mzee you can stop laughing now. |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Dec 1, 2011 12:02:12 GMT 3
I am usually disappointed with the shallowness people show on simple matters which are clear as day and night. I was only trying to initiate a debate, noting that marriage across communities have been used for political patronage.
As bkichwa posted above, Raila himself used the fact that his son married a kikuyu as a campaign materials,
If Raila thought it wise to use his relationship with the kikuyu community as a campaign material, what harm is there to canvass opinion on whether that patronage can survive where the said relationship has ended?
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Dec 1, 2011 12:26:35 GMT 3
Daktari wa makazi1. First and foremost, Marriage is a union between TWO people who love each other and would like to share their future together. This applies to most people, politicians and their children included. Stop peddling cheap propaganda that somehow Fidels marriage to a kikuyu was supposed to give Raila political mileage in that region. It is really tasteless. Raila is self made, he doesnt need his children to gain any momentum and he was no stranger to mt Kenya even before the nuptials. 2. Secondly, Fidel and Raila Jr are a non-factors when it comes to any politics be it ODM's or Nyanza's. That Fidel chose a kikuyu wife is his prerogative and I doubt Raila had any say in that. It brought no good will to anybody other than his family and personally I havent met anyone who cares enough to even ask what went wrong. 3. Lastly, and this is pure speculation, fact that she left the home in July shows me she was not too keen about being in that marriage anyway.... infact Fidel may be doing her a favor in expediting the process. If you ask, you are the one peddling rubbish! Raila himself introduced his children and their marriages into his political arena. I didn't. As I have already stated, I was only canvassing opinion to see if the relationship with the Kikuyus that Raila sung about will in anyway be affected now that his son in no longer married a Kikuyu. You will see I never deluged into gossip, nor introduced personal issues. My thrust was only and still remains whether the supposed political mileage gained from marriage will outlive the said marriage. You could have taken a stand in either side. You didn't. Instead, you initiate an attack on my person! I also note your insulting reference under the Somali thread. It is wise to respond to what is under debate, not to your fertile imagination. Further, I don't worship Raila, and would discuss anything I feel relevant without fear! Maybe helpful if you ingrain that in your thick mind. |
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Post by roughrider on Dec 1, 2011 14:58:32 GMT 3
If you ask, you are the one peddling rubbish! blah blah Instead, you initiate an attack on my person! I also note your insulting reference under the Somali thread. yicketty yada yada... Maybe helpful if you ingrain that in your thick mind. Why are you insulting Moesha? Is this what Jukwaa has become? I do not see anywhere where Moesha personally 'attacked' you on this thread. Her single intervention in this thread was quiet clearly aimed at the subject matter. Please desist, it does not augur well for debate. And please don't interpret this as an 'attack on you'. It is merely a concern about your penchant. Meanwhile what will it take for you to correct the clear deception that you used to open this thread that 'Raila Junior is divorcing his wife'? Whatever your views, we should accept that it was a mis-statement and correct it. A simple edit will do. |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Dec 1, 2011 15:32:43 GMT 3
And, I clearly responded to her, especially on the issues she raised. If you can't see that, I am unable to help!
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Post by roughrider on Dec 1, 2011 15:41:53 GMT 3
And, I clearly responded to her, especially on the issues she raised. If you can't see that, I am unable to help! By talking about 'peddling rubbish' and claiming falsely that she 'initiated a personal attack on you' and calling her mind 'thick'? That was rather un-gentlemanly, sir. but lets move on. I made my point and you seemed to make yours. |
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Post by kiongo on Dec 1, 2011 22:51:04 GMT 3
that was good piece of article sadik. the little error not withstanding, it served its purpose. kudos
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is in itself ridiculous- after all his very personal intercession to the holy land seems not to have worked on this issue. People marry and divorce all the time- Fidel should get over it- especially if he/she cant keep it in his/her pants. 
