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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Mar 26, 2007 13:28:19 GMT 3
CID Officer Kamau
Is it true that you went to New Delhi as a bodyguard of Prof Maathai when she went there to receive the Nehru Award?
By the way, a personal note, threats in the internet are nothing but cheap empty threats used by people who hide from the actual facts. Please stop threatenning people. You sound a very cheap deflated coward.
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Post by johns on Mar 26, 2007 19:40:22 GMT 3
Kamalet,
What are these threats you keep issuing to people meant for? Have you become an apologists of the Gikonyos as you have done with the rest of Mt. Kenya cotterries? What a way to abuse your position? I have not seen the police commissioner himself issuing such threats to any kenyan for demanding their rights to be heard. Even the departed Petrol station owner who took Kibaki to court for failing to pay his fuel bill was never threatened by anybody within the food chain, and you take it upon yourself to do this while you are just a statistic in the whole long line. Care to respond to these questions please and while at it tell us your connection to the government machinery so we can be really afraid.
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Post by miguna on Mar 26, 2007 21:00:27 GMT 3
Kamau,
I never made any "deals" with you, and will never do with people like you.
Who are you for me to make deals with? What are you in this case anyway?
Just another idle loud mouth squinting into the computer screen?
Secondly, you broke your own deal, which you made on your own with yourself.
You brought this matter back by issuing threats and insulting us (with your crazy friend who has nothing useful to do with his pathetic life in God knows where).
It does not matter who you are, what you do, whom you know or work for - the Truth shall come out. It matters not how long it will take us; we shall also seek and obtain JUSTICE!
Remember that. [unedited]
Miguna =============================================
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Post by kamalet on Mar 27, 2007 14:33:11 GMT 3
Seems like the gloves are off Miguna!!!!
Let us see what a pathetic liar you are when all this unravels!!!
For now I am holding my peace!
Johns,
I have the habit of keeping my words....if you think they are threats, be afraid...be very afraid!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 27, 2007 14:34:48 GMT 3
CID Officer Kamau Is it true that you went to New Delhi as a bodyguard of Prof Maathai when she went there to receive the Nehru Award? By the way, a personal note, threats in the internet are nothing but cheap empty threats used by people who hide from the actual facts. Please stop threatenning people. You sound a very cheap deflated coward. Sadik, Unlike you I will not get into exchanging insults on the net. Kamale
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Post by miguna on Mar 27, 2007 14:55:51 GMT 3
Kamau,
I am never afraid; not even of the Artur ghosts you and your ilk brought to Kenya. So, go ahead and carry out your empty threats.
Miguna =================================
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Post by johns on Mar 27, 2007 22:28:24 GMT 3
Kamau,
Now you are becoming very childish, it is apparent that no one has told you that threats and all the nonsense you still harbour in your head do not work in this modern age.
When are you going to get into your head that these forum is about exchanging ideas and if you are bereft of such then you might as well stay away and keep doing what you are good at and that is safeguarding deceit. I am suprised that the Gikonyos would have somebody like you doing a PR on their behalf and getting paid for it, man you are quite pathetic . I suggest you stick to defending chauvanists and kleptocracy which has become the latest career to majority of the connected. Good day
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Post by fanyamambo on Mar 28, 2007 9:17:30 GMT 3
Come on, someone please give us a freaking update on this affair. Miguna? Kamalet? Someone in the know? I want to know whether or not I am safe riding my bicycle in the Gikonyo's neighbourhood. Is Miguna's account true or not? Your answer can be coded. 1. Yes 2. No
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Post by kamalet on Mar 28, 2007 10:49:46 GMT 3
Come on, someone please give us a freaking update on this affair. Miguna? Kamalet? Someone in the know? I want to know whether or not I am safe riding my bicycle in the Gikonyo's neighbourhood. Is Miguna's account true or not? Your answer can be coded. 1. Yes 2. No Miguna was lied to about the accident, but he insists on thinking he was told the truth. This will blow up on somebody's face. Wait and see! Johns, I would suggest you keep your very bright ideas to yourself and stop worrying whose PR I am responsible for. Miguna is not a child and can take care of himself when I threaten him.....
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Post by miguna on Mar 28, 2007 17:00:29 GMT 3
Kamau,
Be a little bit careful, too, with the utterances you make.
The wait has been to long for us already. As your sleuths must have told you, the case is getting wrapped up pretty good from my end. I have one of the best in litigation in Kenya to handle your cowardly looters...
So, keep on waiting...
Miguna ==============================================
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Post by fanyamambo on Mar 28, 2007 18:17:14 GMT 3
Miguna, in your correspondence to Gaitho which I have read with great interest you imply that whoever knocked down poor Onyango is not of consequence. How can this be considering the dust it has raised in this particular thread here? Is this not the gist of the matter?
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Post by aeichener on Mar 28, 2007 21:03:01 GMT 3
I have one of the best in litigation in Kenya to handle your cowardly looters... Knowing your Canadian reputation and record (in court and before the attorneys' complaint commission), I am sure you'll badly *NEED* him. Please do spend your set-aside campaign funds for the litigation. It's a better use than investing it in parliamentary seat acquisition attempts. Alexander
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Post by miguna on Mar 28, 2007 23:43:14 GMT 3
Fanyamambo,
The gist, if you have carefully read my piece, was that justice was being denied Onyango because of the position and of course the enthnic origin of the reckless driver.
The point was for "justice to be done, regardless of who are involved."
If you took careful note, you would have noticed that the article starts with the "betrayal" in Orwel's The Animal Farm." The same betrayal in Kenya...That was the bigger picture. I hope that you now see it.
Now to the mad man of cyberspace: My record is sqeaky clean while you have none to speak of.
There is nothing like the "Attorney's Complaint Commission" in Canada. Here, we have Barristers & Solicitors; and thank Ghosh, I've never appeared before the one you are alluding to other than as counsel for other Barristers & Solicitors! Oh yes, go ahead and call them if you can find your way around your medication...
Take your medication before getting involved in territory you know nothing about...
On another note, I did not realize how incorrigble some of you are; how in the world can any sane person with even a chiken's brain support the lady who knocked down the cyclist, regardless of their respective stations in life or ethnic affiliations? Some of you are truly worthless!
My last word. Now you can all jump into the closest lake and.... [unedited]
Miguna =================================================
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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2007 7:28:52 GMT 3
"people carried away by their own self important rarely have far to walk back"
Before I throw myself in the closest lake (perhaps Nairobi dam!!) you still miss the point. The issue is not poor Onyango and whichever lady hit him. It is about you suggesting certain names and then putting labels on them for ethnic and political reasons of having been involved in the incident without even verifying the information.
I hope your team of litigation lawyers is not expensive or they are on a pro-bono basis. This could eat deep into your pockets - especially in an election year! Be careful what you wish for!
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Post by miguna on Mar 30, 2007 4:17:36 GMT 3
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Post by miguna on Apr 1, 2007 17:28:07 GMT 3
Sunday April 1, 2007
Editor’s comment Tribalism: Keep hope alive --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The audacity of hope is such that even when things are extremely worrying, hope never dies. It is with this in mind that today we paint the worrisome picture of a country increasingly receding into a dangerous mire of tribalism; a vice that may threaten the long-term stability of our nation, but one that has nevertheless failed to extinguish the embers of hope that it is possible to build one Kenya.
Our investigations of appointments in the Public Service since 2003 depict a situation tailored to favour one community. To a large extent, the same goes for resource allocation.
While presenting an objective sample of this reality on pages two to four, we wish to categorically state that something has to be done to reverse this trend.
We consider it our sacred civic duty — inspired by goodwill, informed by history and nudged by dreams of a great nation — to ascend the highest mountaintop and from it shout: "Stop and reflect on this malignant cancer dear motherland!"
Someone has to tell those in power and eyeing power that tribalism is breeding a silent resentment lacerating the country like an evil spirit. You hear it in public service vehicles; you feel it in bars; you see it in the media and it is now becoming overt, finding expression in Parliament, on the Internet and at religious functions.
The consequences of not speaking the truth to power would, in the not so distant a future, be catastrophic.
Consider last week’s outcome of the Law Society of Kenya (LSK) elections. Many may deny it, but that outcome had to do with more than just qualifications. A cross-section of lawyers we interviewed boiled it all down to one sentence: "It was a case of all against one."
That an elite club like LSK can be so galled by the level of tribalism to respond in similar measure should alert those in power. It is not just shocking. It is disgusting. Sadly, and many would agree, it is understandable.
One LSK member put it this way: "It is unfortunate that an advanced form of tribalism has permeated an elitist society like ours. But that is where we are."
One would have hoped that after the referendum of 2005 some people would learn certain lessons. That the key lessons of that historical moment were completely missed by those in power and those angling for it has been evident.
Whereas one side is engaged in tribal horse-trading and drawing up tribal line-ups for Government positions after the General Election if they win, the other seems incapable of looking beyond a certain geographical region in filling key Public Service positions.
As we prove today, this tribal discrimination goes beyond the top positions to important middle-level and low-cadre positions.
To be sure, all communities can produce enough qualified people to fill all top positions in the Civil Service. By logical inference, therefore, it should take more than paper qualifications to fill available job slots. A degree of sensitivity should inform such appointments. And for the avoidance of doubt, one is not talking of Affirmative Action.
As things stand, the very integrity of those being appointed to senior public offices, even where they merit it, is undermined by tribal baggage.
Tragically, tribal nationalism is so deeply ingrained that even reasonably educated people are heard saying that those from certain communities cannot govern. It is exactly this kind of thinking that makes nonsense of individual integrity, accountability and other leadership credentials.
It is no wonder then that people who stand for nothing get to move up on the tribal plane while those who could die for the very ideal of justice suffer on account of their tribe.
As we wonder what it is about tribe that makes Alliance, London School of Economics or even Harvard-educated geniuses lose all rationality; we insist it is possible to build a fair Kenya.
That tribalism was here before this regime should not be an excuse for entrenching it beyond reason. As President Kibaki himself said the day he took over the reins of power from Mr Daniel arap Moi, "the mistakes people have made in the past should not distract us from confronting the enormous challenges ahead".
Moi always considered regional balance in public appointments. He was also always careful during charged moments to let his opponents feel like they were consulted, and hence IPPG, CKRC and the ECK that oversaw the elections that brought President Kibaki to power.
Had that spirit of consultation been applied, the circus that is the noise surrounding recent appointments to the ECK, East African Legislative Assembly, CBK, Kenya-Re, KRA and others would be non-existent.
Inevitably, even ministers have embraced this anomaly. They largely appoint their kinsmen and women to parastatals under their dockets.
The "us-against-them" mentality — which must not be allowed to thrive — is so pervasive that in the name of "protecting the presidency", MPs work against the parties that sponsored them to Parliament. The Government should be setting the example by spurning such MPs.
Things would be so much better if leaders simply walked their talk. To illustrate this point, we crave the indulgence of our readers in this extended quote from President Kibaki’s inaugural speech:
"I feel extremely happy to address you today. I am overwhelmed by your love. I am emboldened by your support and enthusiasm. I am thrilled by your sense of dedication and commitment. You have renewed my hope and strengthened my belief in the greatness of this country.
"Now, all of us, both young and old, men and women, Kenyans of every ethnic group, race or creed, have embarked on a journey to a promising future with unshakeable determination and faith in God and in ourselves…
"Look around you, see what a gorgeous constellation of stars we are, just look at this dazzling mosaic of people of various ethnic backgrounds, race, creed, sex, age, experience, and social status… It is the love of Kenya that has brought us together…"
We at The Sunday Standard have the audacity to hope Kenya can still be one country one people. The good citizen is one who cautions the Government when things are not going right; not the one who keeps it on the dangerous path it is racing with lies of how well it is doing.
Visit East African Standard
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Post by fanyamambo on Apr 3, 2007 13:10:12 GMT 3
Miguna, my point was that you named names and are now saying those names are not important. Is that responsible?
Supposing I said Miguna knocked down somebody and then disappeared - I then made a big show of lambasting Miguna for this act and drag his name through the mud. Then later said, well so maybe it wasn't Miguna but who cares? It was someone of Miguna's class and tribe and that's the 'bigger picture'.
Frankly I find your handling of the matter quite disconcerting. Are we to regard all rich Kikuyu doctors with suspicion? I am personally not able to do this without just reason. Neither would I do so for anybody fitting any profile. One cannot make such strong claims and then say the details of those claims, when they are questioned, should be ignored and we should focus on the 'bigger picture'.
Miguna did Dr. Betty Gikonyo (the one you originally identified) hit Onyango and run?
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 3, 2007 17:43:26 GMT 3
Good Heavens, this thing isn't going away, is it?
I hope Mr. Onyango is fine, even as the battle rages in Jukwaa and I am sure elsewhere in Nairobi.
In a country where motorists hit people pretty much the same way Canadians hit deer and leave them by the road side when they are going to their cottages, one would wish people would show greater concern for the victims of these murderous activities. At least the Humane Society in Canada gets pretty mad when people just run over deer and leave them dying by the roads. They urge drivers to be more careful. You would wish Kenyans would be a little more concerned about our "deers".
I was stunned a couple years back when one of my young nephews was crippled in a nasty hit and run in Kisumu. The parents got the car number and tracked down the criminal. Nothing much was done to him. The boy is paralyzed for life and the courts awarded Kshs 1 million for his health needs from the insurance company.
Guess what, the insurance people appealed the award. The matter was heard in Nairobi and in what was an obvious deal between the judges and insurance company, the award was overturned. I am still waiting to personally strangle the judges, or at least one of them. I wonder how many of these cases exist in the country.
Adongo.
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Post by miguna on Apr 3, 2007 17:47:28 GMT 3
As of today's date, I have not received any credible information pointing at anybody else. I urge you, as I have urged any other person with material evidence, to forward it either to me or to Onyango's lawyers in Nairobi. That is the only responsible thing to do.
Also, if you have any denials or clarifications from Dr. Betty Gikonyo (since I have not seen it), please pass those along as well. Until that occurs, your questions have been more than adequately answered.
If I was accused of knocking anybody down in a vehicle I was driving, I would immediately try to correct that impression. I would not resort to issuing threats through proxies. I would immediately contact the injured person, the injured person's relatives, the police and the lawyers involved to give them my version of what happened. If I was involved, I would first call the emergency services for the injured man and wait at the scene until their arrival; or I would rush him to the nearest hospital for treatment. I would never leave the scene of the accident and the injured man writhing in pain; I would never give the injured person Sh 300 to go to the nearest dispensary; and I would never act as if the injured person is a dog.
I know for a fact that Dr. Betty Gikonyo kncked down Onyango and did everything that I accused her of. If there are more than one Dr. Betty Gikonyos, it is really up to them and the police to sort out who amongst them was the culprit. It is not my job.
Can you deny that (a) Dr. Betty Gikonyo knocked down Onyango as stated in my article? As you do that, please explain the source of your information and clearly state why you believe your source and not mine.
I correctly identified the location and circumstances of the accident. I correctly identified the injured cyclist. I correctly identified the motorist who knocked Onyango down by name and place of residence. I correctly identified what she did afterwards. I correctly identified her profession, etc. It was me who brought this issue to the public's attention. Had I not done that, the perpetrator could have concealed her act and would have escaped responsibility.
The matter is being addressed LEGALLY as you complain. If your Dr. Betty Gikonyo was not responaible, by all means we shall find out. But we are pursuing this diligently as we must!
State where you see a problem. [unedited]
Miguna ==============================================
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Post by fanyamambo on Apr 4, 2007 10:14:57 GMT 3
Miguna, I have no facts on this case neither will I look for them. I do not personally know the Gikonyos and can neither deny nor confirm what you claim happened.
No need to say what you would do if you knocked someone down, except to deliberately miss my point. Many other people would do what you would, including myself. It is the decent thing to do and most people are decent.
You DO KNOW that I am raising issue with the fact that you said that who did it was not as important as their position and ethnic origin. THAT is my problem.
Adongo, I hope I have not come across as unconcerned with Onyango - that is certanly not my intention.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 4, 2007 11:18:33 GMT 3
Also, if you have any denials or clarifications from Dr. Betty Gikonyo (since I have not seen it), please pass those along as well. Until that occurs, your questions have been more than adequately answered. If I was accused of knocking anybody down in a vehicle I was driving, I would immediately try to correct that impression. I would not resort to issuing threats through proxies. I would immediately contact the injured person, the injured person's relatives, the police and the lawyers involved to give them my version of what happened. If I was involved, I would first call the emergency services for the injured man and wait at the scene until their arrival; or I would rush him to the nearest hospital for treatment. I would never leave the scene of the accident and the injured man writhing in pain; I would never give the injured person Sh 300 to go to the nearest dispensary; and I would never act as if the injured person is a dog. I know for a fact that Dr. Betty Gikonyo kncked down Onyango and did everything that I accused her of. If there are more than one Dr. Betty Gikonyos, it is really up to them and the police to sort out who amongst them was the culprit. It is not my job. Can you deny that (a) Dr. Betty Gikonyo knocked down Onyango as stated in my article? As you do that, please explain the source of your information and clearly state why you believe your source and not mine. I correctly identified the location and circumstances of the accident. I correctly identified the injured cyclist. I correctly identified the motorist who knocked Onyango down by name and place of residence. I correctly identified what she did afterwards. I correctly identified her profession, etc. It was me who brought this issue to the public's attention. Had I not done that, the perpetrator could have concealed her act and would have escaped responsibility. The matter is being addressed LEGALLY as you complain. If your Dr. Betty Gikonyo was not responaible, by all means we shall find out. But we are pursuing this diligently as we must! State where you see a problem. [unedited] Miguna ============================================== Since you seem to want to accuse me of being used by the Gikonyos to defend and issue threats, what you have done is refuse to consider the fact thatyou could actually be wrong and the Gikonyo's were right. You do try to wriggle out by now claiming that you do not care if there was another Dr. Betty Gikonyo and that it is their problem to sort it out. Not too fast. The Gikonyo's you have ardently accused are the ones that own the 'posh Karen hospital', so let us stick with these two. As to the veracity of the information, you were told of a story by the victim - who may or may not know the Gikonyos that they were involved in the accident. You have chosen to believe the story. I have spoken to both Dr Gikonyo and his wife Betty who both deny being involved in the accident. What you are asking me to do Miguna is to actually treat all they say as lies and believe your story which could have been from third or fourth parties. I honestly hope your lawyers are as good as you suggest and will easily dispose of this matter by getting the culprits. That it was you who brought this matter to the public domain, would it be too much to ask that you give us an update of whether your lawyers have identified te culprits and action taken against them? This accident did happen quite sometime back and some information to counter the denials should have been in your possession. I hope lawyer-client confidentiality will not be pleaded in this case.
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 4, 2007 17:00:58 GMT 3
Kamale
I am just curious what exactly is your relationship with the Gikonyos? Are they friends, relas or professional associates?
Since you have talked to them about this matter and since Miguna's story is prominent here in our little website and was actually published in Kenya Times, why have the Gikonyos as innocent as you claim they are not publicly responded to dispel any disinformation about them.
I mean they can just simply write a letter to Kenya Times to inform the public that they are not the Gikonyo Miguna is alleging hit Mr. Onyango and vanished in thin air? Isn't that what you and I would do if a false story has been published about us?
Why do the Gikonyos need a third party ( a proxy if you will) to clear their name? Are they too important to at least clear their name in the Kenya Times? I am sure they wouldn't want to muddy themselves with something like Jukwaa, but Kenya Times is well read in Kenya. Why don't you ask them to publicly say what they are telling you in private? It would be a very simple matter and they would have to ask Miguna to apologize for the misinformation. Help me to untangle that part of the story.
Fanyamambo.
I know you are good peoples; there is no way I would insinuate that you have no heart for the young man hit by this car being driven by mysterious persons. I was just getting nervous that the man hit by the car whose identity is not in doubt, was getting overshadowed by the identity crisis of the Gikonyos.
Adongo
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Post by aeichener on Apr 4, 2007 21:32:28 GMT 3
I was just getting nervous that the man hit by the car whose identity is not in doubt, was getting overshadowed by the identity crisis of the Gikonyos. Blame Miguna Miguna Miguna and his behaviour for that. Alexander
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Post by aeichener on Apr 10, 2007 13:37:39 GMT 3
No need to say what you would do if you knocked someone down, except to deliberately miss my point. (...) You DO KNOW that I am raising issue with the fact that you said that who did it was not as important as their position and ethnic origin. THAT is my problem. To further make up your mind about Miguna Miguna Miguna Esq., just check out the following thread, and OO's well-justified rebukes in it: www.mambogani.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3109&mode=threadedAlexander
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Post by fanyamambo on Apr 11, 2007 11:42:32 GMT 3
No need to say what you would do if you knocked someone down, except to deliberately miss my point. (...) You DO KNOW that I am raising issue with the fact that you said that who did it was not as important as their position and ethnic origin. THAT is my problem. To further make up your mind about Miguna Miguna Miguna Esq., just check out the following thread, and OO's well-justified rebukes in it: www.mambogani.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3109&mode=threadedAlexander Enough said.
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