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Post by bennodhiambo on Jan 15, 2012 0:25:22 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret.
Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 15, 2012 1:08:37 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret. Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss.
Dr. Ben OdhiamboIf indeed you are the person you claim you are..
1. Please post here the ODM Strategy Meeting's minutes..
2. then you are not scared to stand by your claim since you gave your name on here..? you did not post anonymous like some of us..
If indeed your conscience won't allow that is your decision to make
but please post some facts on here in regards to the ODM meeting you claim that took place i.e
1. where was the meeting held "Location" and "date"." time"
2. Who was in attendance including yourself
3. Who chaired the meeting
4. The minutes of the meeting e.t.cIf you are accusing ODM as a party... asking you to commit a crime and an individual party member on a public forum... you need to post facts to accompany the accusation... |
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Post by einstein on Jan 15, 2012 1:15:17 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret. Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss. What is this? I thought the 'Limited Jukwaa Membership Drive' ended on the 10.01.12 as per your post here: www.jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6318Do we members still have any rights or say on this board? Or is Jukwaa slowly dying from an MM charade?Was this the reason for the 'Limited Jukwaa Membership Drive' ? |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 15, 2012 6:10:58 GMT 3
Einstein:
Greetings.
I am not so sure I get what you are saying.
But I am sure you have seen what has happened to some of the new members-those who lasted for a day, a week or even a few hours.
You have seen some of their maiden posts.
What I do as the Administrator is that I observe the posting patterns of the newbies before I do anything.
Onyango Oloo
Administrator
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 15, 2012 6:16:34 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret. Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss. Welcome to Jukwaa. It helps when you make claims on this forum to back up whatever allegations you have with verifiable facts and evidence. One of our members has asked you to post some details of the alleged meeting in Eldoret. Can you do so? Please do so by 4 pm East African Time, Sunday, January 15, 2012. Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 15, 2012 10:10:20 GMT 3
Interesting developments in the last three hours...
I am just logging back in, slightly after 10 am Kenyan time.
Here is what my security log tells me:
But before that there was a private message from the same individual telling me:
"Meeting was from 5-9:19 pm, Saturday, January 14, 2012."
We have so many ODM members here-some with access to the inner sanctums of the country's biggest political party.
Can they INDEPENDENTLY verify, confirm or refute the following:
1. An ODM meeting of some kind took place somewhere in Eldoret from 5 to slightly after 9 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012;
2. That among the agenda items for discussion was Miguna Miguna;
3. That a medical doctor practising in Eldoret who happens to be a Luo was in attendance;
Was this a case of a whistle-blower coming forward?
A mischief maker trying to stir up trouble?
Why the rather brief sojourn on Jukwaa?
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 15, 2012 14:30:52 GMT 3
Follow up email from Ben:
"I got worried for my security that is why I exited Jukwaa. My apologies. The meeting was chaired by Prof. Margaret Karmar. MPs Magerer and Bett sent representatives. Other people in the meeting were Kemboi and Lembusha. Whatever we discussed was at the behest of top party organs. It was felt best for the plan to be unveiled from the Rift Valley rather than Nyanza."
According to the same source, other, more sinister scenarios were mooted-but I will leave them out of this posting.
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 15, 2012 14:46:07 GMT 3
Follow up email from Ben:"I got worried for my security that is why I exited Jukwaa. My apologies. The meeting was chaired by Prof. Margaret Karmar. MPs Magerer and Bett sent representatives. Other people in the meeting were Kemboi and Lembusha Whatever we discussed was at the behest of top party organs. It was felt best for the plan to be unveiled from the Rift Valley rather than Nyanza."According to the same source, other, more sinister scenarios were mooted-but I will leave them out of this posting. Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya , I am sure you have reminded Ben that it he can just change handles. He need not be on his true names
It is still possible the real Dr. Ben Odhiambo will emerge, and cry cyber identity theft! |
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Post by mzee on Jan 15, 2012 14:54:24 GMT 3
I must have a big laugh at this one. These are the kind of people obsessed with the Miguna/OPM intrigues.
What nonsense is this?
Ati he fears for his security. After providing his" full name" and the fact that he was in a "meeting" to fix MM?
Go to the police and report the matter, thats the place to blow the whistle. Onyango Oloo of jukwaa is not the police commish. What rubbish.
And where are the minutes?? Could you trying cooking them just the way you cooked the above silly story.
BURE KABISA
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 15, 2012 16:01:50 GMT 3
Interesting developments in the last three hours...I am just logging back in, slightly after 10 am Kenyan time. Here is what my security log tells me: But before that there was a private message from the same individual telling me:
"Meeting was from 5-9:19 pm, Saturday, January 14, 2012."We have so many ODM members here-some with access to the inner sanctums of the country's biggest political party. Can they INDEPENDENTLY verify, confirm or refute the following:1. An ODM meeting of some kind took place somewhere in Eldoret from 5 to slightly after 9 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012;
2. That among the agenda items for discussion was Miguna Miguna;
3. That a medical doctor practising in Eldoret who happens to be a Luo was in attendance;Was this a case of a whistle-blower coming forward?A mischief maker trying to stir up trouble? Why the rather brief sojourn on Jukwaa? Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
If this is one of the boys, he is obviously not very smart. They are supposed to sneak in and not announce themselves with such brazenness. As Whispers, our buddy, would say, folks here being neither too clever nor too stupid can pick this fraudsters in all their froms and attire. This was another attempt to have a fake Raila supporter to incite the daily anti-Raila hand wringing activities which is some sort of political currency for some desperate forces. It didn't work. Personally I think the membership door should be left open. For every lunatic that wonders in here with or without a plan, there are a whole bunch of good and genuine folk who just want to have the option to contribute if they feel like. Jukwaa is what it is. There is some identity and some order to the madness that goes on around here. Sore thumps should be welcome knowing they have a habit of sticking out. That is their problem to deal with. |
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Post by topnotch on Jan 16, 2012 22:28:18 GMT 3
Seems 'Dr. Benn Odhiambo' knew what brought him to Jukwaa Roads minister Franklin Bett and Energy Assistant Minister Magerer Langat have recorded statements with the police over claims by Miguna Miguna that they were plotting to have him killed. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050159&cid=4& |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 16, 2012 22:34:00 GMT 3
Seems 'Dr. Benn Odhiambo' knew what brought him to Jukwaa Roads minister Franklin Bett and Energy Assistant Minister Magerer Langat have recorded statements with the police over claims by Miguna Miguna that they were plotting to have him killed. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050159&cid=4&I just saw that, and I was like, so this thing was true? Why would these guys want to eliminate Miguna? Maybe he should release his book asap if that is what is causing all this. The good thing with MM is that, he will not 'die' quietly. |
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Post by phil on Jan 16, 2012 22:37:15 GMT 3
Seems 'Dr. Benn Odhiambo' knew what brought him to Jukwaa Roads minister Franklin Bett and Energy Assistant Minister Magerer Langat have recorded statements with the police over claims by Miguna Miguna that they were plotting to have him killed. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050159&cid=4&And Jukwaa is an obvious starting point because...... GSM companies and police now have equipment capable of tracing origins of short text messages in their networks. Criminals are becoming sophisticated using sim cards from foreign countries. The ploy to fight ODM is going to come in many forms and different directions. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 16, 2012 23:33:19 GMT 3
Seems 'Dr. Benn Odhiambo' knew what brought him to Jukwaa Roads minister Franklin Bett and Energy Assistant Minister Magerer Langat have recorded statements with the police over claims by Miguna Miguna that they were plotting to have him killed. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050159&cid=4&And Jukwaa is an obvious starting point because...... GSM companies and police now have equipment capable of tracing origins of short text messages in their networks. Criminals are becoming sophisticated using sim cards from foreign countries. The ploy to fight ODM is going to come in many forms and different directions. I sincerely can't believe that Miguna fell for the cheap nonsensical mischief from some dubious character was peddling here in Jukwaa before he ran away and deregistered himself. Did Miguna pick the story from Jukwaa or did he get another e-mail from other sources? So far it looks like Miguna got it from Jukwaa since the "details" he sent to media houses seem to be very consistent with the stuff Oloo posted from these phony characters. It is also possible the phonies also e-mailed Miguna. But serioulsy even if one is already paranoid, does Miguna actually believe that a cabinet minister or his proxies would meet in a hotel in Eldoret with strangers including some doctor to one announce they are going to "murder" Miguna and two to have one of the alleged killers post here in Jukwaa what the plan was then run away? How can any sane person swallow this kind of stuff and then go to the cops dragging people's names as plotting to kill you. How about if the whole story is a pile of lies? Oloo himself registered his suspicions about the character calling himself Dr. Ben Odhiambo and soon after that he took off. If they wanted to kill Miguna why did they come to announce it hear in Jukwaa? Was it for Miguna to read and act? That doesn't strike me as the best plan to commit murder. Did Miguna do any due diligence to make sure he does not embarrass himself calling cops to report which turns out to be phony gimmick that wil just make him look crazy to the cops and to the public if it turns out these are far fetched porojos. This whole story looks phony to me and it seems Miguna was fooled and acted on the made up stories in haste and it is going to come back on Miguna real hard if it turns out as I suspect that this whole thing is just some games some people want to play in the internet. There is only so much "wolf , wolf" you can yell before people get fed up. Miguna better have some solid evidence on this matter or he is going to become a laughing stock. Just what happened to the Miguna who used to write daily about the constitution, the implementation process of the same as well as other earth shaking events in the land. Do we now have to settle that this version of Miguna is now all that is left. I don't think so and I hope NOT. In any event, I think Oloo is going to be a person of interest to the cops as they investigate the matter. Oloo had all sorts of communications from the Ben Odhiambo character as well as his registration records. Oloo, I think you better turn yourself in to the nearest police station and give evidence. Oloo also, can you guys start by finding out who Dr. Ben Odhiambo in Eldoret is. Apparently he was the one who was going to write the dirt on Miguna before he had cold feet and came to Jukwaa. Does any doctor by that name practice medicine in Eldoret? |
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Post by job on Jan 16, 2012 23:36:53 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret. Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss. These silly NSIS propaganda serve no good to Kenya. I have always maintained that Kenya's road to reform will begin with dismantling - and bringing to account - the current rotten NSIS. It is painful to accept that rather than spend taxpayer funds on building schools, roads, hospitals, boreholes, etc, billions are sent to NSIS to manufacture such outrageous propaganda as the one above. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 16, 2012 23:42:29 GMT 3
I am Dr. Ben Odhiambo based in Eldoret. Today Saturday Jan 14 I attended an ODM strategy meeting in Eldoret where it was decided that Mr Miguna must be 'exposed" in the press from now onwards. I'm supposed to write an article maligning Mr Miguna as suffering from personality disorder. Others will write along that line. Press conferences are going to be held from Nairobi to Eldoret saying the same. My conscience can't allow me to do this. It is wrong to malign Mr Miguna because he has disagreed with his former Boss. These silly NSIS propaganda serve no good to Kenya. I have always maintained that Kenya's road to reform will begin with dismantling - and bringing accountability to the current rotten NSIS. It seems Miguna actually believes the story is true and has gone to the cops telling them some people want to "murder" him. Jukwaa is now under 24 hour watch. |
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Post by einstein on Jan 17, 2012 0:07:17 GMT 3
Is there any analytical Jukwaaist out there who is able to comprehend the gist of my complaint to OO concerning the registration of Dr. Benn Odhiambo as a member of Jukwaa on the 14.01.2012 and how this relates to Dr. Odhiambo's one and only post on Jukwaa on the very same date and then tie it all up with the subsequent events (further communication between OO and Dr. Odhiambo) that followed as reported by OO?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 17, 2012 0:13:51 GMT 3
These silly NSIS propaganda serve no good to Kenya. I have always maintained that Kenya's road to reform will begin with dismantling - and bringing accountability to the current rotten NSIS. It seems Miguna actually believes the story is true and has gone to the cops telling them some people want to "murder" him. Jukwaa is now under 24 hour watch. You guys will need to get serious at least for once. Very many Kenyans have been murdered before for political reasons and nothing has been done about it. Their families continue to suffer without any help of any kind. I would have expected you to condem such stupid and cowardly machinations whenever brought out. We know what politicians are capable of especially when faced with the kind of threat that Miguna seems to present to some of them. Shame on you guys for looking the other way when such serious allegations are made. |
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Post by mank on Jan 17, 2012 0:18:10 GMT 3
And Jukwaa is an obvious starting point because...... GSM companies and police now have equipment capable of tracing origins of short text messages in their networks. Criminals are becoming sophisticated using sim cards from foreign countries. The ploy to fight ODM is going to come in many forms and different directions.
I sincerely can't believe that Miguna fell for the cheap nonsensical mischief from some dubious character was peddling here in Jukwaa before he ran away and deregistered himself. ....I also suspect this to be nonsense, but you know, everyone has only one life. It is proper for Miguna to go to the police with this, even if he also suspects it to be nonsense. It is proper for him to hedge the risk to his life that this apparent nonsense entails. I do not know the first thing in how political assassinations get planned, but I suspect it does not start with group brainstorming. So I suspect this story has another goal, not really the disclosure of a meeting to eliminate Miguna. I would be surprised if anyone does not suspect this has to do with the controversy that has surrounded Miguna recently. I suspect this is simple political propaganda by either divides of that controversy. It is not clear why Job and Adongo suspect "the boys" have anything to do with it. |
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Post by mank on Jan 17, 2012 0:23:02 GMT 3
Is there any analytical Jukwaaist out there who is able to comprehend the gist of my complaint to OO concerning the registration of Dr. Benn Odhiambo as a member of Jukwaa on the 14.01.2012 and how this relates to Dr. Odhiambo's one and only post on Jukwaa on the very same date and then tie it all up with the subsequent events (further communication between OO and Dr. Odhiambo) that followed as reported by OO? I did comprehend from the first read. However I think the burden to explain it lies with someone else. |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 17, 2012 0:27:58 GMT 3
Seems 'Dr. Benn Odhiambo' knew what brought him to Jukwaa Roads minister Franklin Bett and Energy Assistant Minister Magerer Langat have recorded statements with the police over claims by Miguna Miguna that they were plotting to have him killed. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050159&cid=4&And Jukwaa is an obvious starting point because...... GSM companies and police now have equipment capable of tracing origins of short text messages in their networks. Criminals are becoming sophisticated using sim cards from foreign countries. The ploy to fight ODM is going to come in many forms and different directions. Phil, You are so right when you any manner of ploys and schemes is underway to try and stop the RAO train headed to State House. I have just read this thread from "Dr. Ben Odhiambo" and after my initial reaction, which was to laugh, I took a moment to read comments from others which have adequately addressed it from both sides. Strictly from an analytic point of view, besides one knowing the information one member sought above, a few common sense questions would also have to answered: [/a] but we have not heard of what came of that investigation and now we have yet another claim. Did police investigate the previous allegation and if so, what was the outcome? Given we never heard again about is, one can assume police found no evidence of such threats and it now appears we are on to the same thing? Many of us strongly support Raila and are called all manner of names for that but, speaking for myself, and I know quite a few of those close to Raila, there is not one person in that circle who would wish to see Miguna physically harmed; they all to a man wish he could heed counsel he has been given by many and not go down the path he is on but that's about it and I know all of them are confident there is nothing Miguna can say or do that can alter the course the party is on; its more like a young chap on a family cruise aboard the Oasis at Seas, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_of_the_Seas throwing tantrums and jumping up and down in demonstration of same but no amount of such jumping and noise making is going to stop the Oasis from reaching its destination. [3]Many of us have said many times and continue to say there are people who would believe anything bad said about Raila or ODM for that matter but, surely, even among those who hate Raila that much would agree certain things are just out of bounds and are better off left out of the political discourse. Political assassination is one such thing and I would simply caution people to leave this crude weapon of days gone by to be just that, a closed chapter in our political history. I distinguish political assassination from general political violence which unfortunately continues to be a part of our political life albeit less so. The reason I distinguish between the two, namely political assassination and political violence is, even though political assassination is a form of political violence, the latter is the by-product of some people’s proclivity to engage or condone violence as a means of resolving conflict which is unlikely to be totally eliminated from society where political assassination has little or nothing to do with conflict but a means to preserve power illegally by those who engage in it or ensuring their wielding of such power is not questioned or messed with in any way, which ought to and one can argue, has been removed as a concern in our country. In other words, while common violence between individuals, be it domestic, political or otherwise may be with us for as long it has been part of human life, targeted political assassination must be, and one would have to believe, is now a thing of the past. To be sure, both general and targeted political violence eats the core of not just freedom but democracy we have fought for decades to enjoy its fruits and are yet to so fully enjoy but the former does it less so than the latter, which if unchecked or eliminated will ensure a society is permanently ruled by despots—something we have obviously demonstrated we have risen against and moved beyond return. Having said that, it is important to note even in days when political assassination was a part of Kenyan life, targets were not your average Joe or Jane Doe; they were people who threatened the continued clinging to power by those who did not wish to have any of it questioned or messed with in any way. No one in their right mind would make even a weak case that Miguna threatens people to even remotely that level for them to want to have him physically silenced; its enough they just ignore him or counter him if necessary and by that I mean, counter any evidence he may have--which many doubt he has--of wrongdoing. Anything beyond that, especially anything that on the face of it is idiotic and nonsensical, look beyond top party hierarchy or headquarters for answers for it won't be coming from there. There is virtue in having a sense of proportionality in both assessing and applying information; if something doesn't make sense at first blush, it never will. The only exception is where something makes no sense for reason of lack of exposure because there is a strong correlation between exposure and one's ability to define what makes sense. One therefore can rightly "expose" another or anything in this sense, namely, exposing those who may not be so exposed to a thing or issues in order for them (those not exposed) to make better judgment of the thing or issue. [/ul] Maoni yangu tu. omwenga.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/is-miguna-a-target-of-killers-out-to-get-him-as-he-claims/ |
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Post by einstein on Jan 17, 2012 0:34:18 GMT 3
Is there any analytical Jukwaaist out there who is able to comprehend the gist of my complaint to OO concerning the registration of Dr. Benn Odhiambo as a member of Jukwaa on the 14.01.2012 and how this relates to Dr. Odhiambo's one and only post on Jukwaa on the very same date and then tie it all up with the subsequent events (further communication between OO and Dr. Odhiambo) that followed as reported by OO? I did comprehend from the first read. However I think the burden to explain it lies with someone else. Thanks that at least you understood the post. OO never understood what was meant and I'm not going to try to put it in black and white. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 17, 2012 1:02:11 GMT 3
I did comprehend from the first read. However I think the burden to explain it lies with someone else. Thanks that at least you understood the post. OO never understood what was meant and I'm not going to try to put it in black and white. Like I said the cops should be looking for Oloo as we speak since it seems he was in communication with the people Miguna believes are trying to "murder" him. I have asked our good friend Mr. OO to avail himself to cops mara moja and provide every piece of communication with the big murderer to be, Dr. Ben Odhiambo who later chickened out at least by his own confession here in Jukwaa. The whole story looks like it was stuffed here for Miguna to pick up and act on. At least they got that part right unless Miguna has his own independent sources about the planned murder. Let's wait and see how this thing unravels but OO owes us an explanation about this phony Odhiambo character and the whole story now emerging as a murder plot first announced in Jukwaa. We have many firsts here in Jukwaa but announcing planned murders here would beat all records, particularly if the soon to be murder victim is a virtual member of Jukwaa and reads posts here in Jukwaa. It is like someone comming to my house giving me mail about my planned killing. It rarely happens. |
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Post by okolowaka on Jan 17, 2012 1:13:03 GMT 3
...This is one of the worst designed conspiracy theories I have ever read about in JUKWAA... This script does not make it past the reception desk of a Nollywood or Riverwood movie director's secretary's desk...takataka... The title may be catchy but this one is a very poorly planned and also very poorly written script.. ODM "top brass" (Raila, etc) plan to eliminate Miguna in a "secret" meeting in Eldoret attended by DR. Ben Odhiambo, who then decides to leak the insider info to JUKWAA...so that JUKWAA may do what... misto Odhiambo? Naaah...this does not add up.... I guess the said ODM top brass planners of the hit will now scatter or go underground, huh? If the plan is to expose criminals, why does DR. Ben Odhiambo expose himself like this...? Now look what his big mouth got him into...he has to go underground after exposing an assassination plot....  DR. Ben Odhiambo is a co-conspirator and co-planner of this theory in an effort to provide more ammo to the Raila bashing spree that Miguna has been engaging in lately... But why JUKWAA...? Is DR. Odhiambo a member of JUKWAA trying to stoke up a dying debate..., why not just report to the police directly instead of splashing the "news" here in JUKWAA? The fuzz has fizzled out sir... but I guess K-24 and Citizen TV will still dedicate acres of airtime once more.... Net effect on litmus = zero |
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Post by johns on Jan 17, 2012 3:37:15 GMT 3
Its pretty sad to see someone whom so much hope and goodwill had been bestowed on, wither away so fast into pitiful irrelevancy this quick. Did someone say there is another movie showing at the nearest theater near us? Yes! A plot to kill Miguna and this one by the Rift Valley ODM mafia? By the way, what happened to the first one, where Miguna alleged that the Luo ODM mafia wanted him dead? At the going rate i wont be suprised if tomorrow we hear its the Mjikenda ODM mafias turn. Man! the size of the ego here must be above Mt. Kilimanjaro.
A suggestion to Miguna; get hold of William Ruto and may be the two of you can make a movie together of Raila's ..............
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