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Post by nok on Jan 23, 2012 19:47:13 GMT 3
Expect this narrative as a propaganda against Raila Odinga in Kalenjin Land = RV. This will be used to further antagonize ODM and the P.M  Any other bizarre stories that we shall hear during
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 15:32:03 GMT 3
Word from the grassroots = Kale Land;
this narative is picking momentum with the commoners.
How will ODM and Raila maniacs counter it ?
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Post by mangai on Jan 25, 2012 15:53:38 GMT 3
Word from the grassroots = Kale Land; this narative is picking momentum with the commoners. How will ODM and Raila maniacs counter it ? If they indeed believe that, how about coming up with this narrative. Having seen the enormous power that Raila wields over Moreno Ocampo and the ICC judges, isn't time that Ruto made peace with Raila for the latter to help get his confirmed case get thrown out? Thereafter, he can choose to rebel against him again! |
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Post by stranger1in3 on Jan 25, 2012 16:03:41 GMT 3
Word from the grassroots = Kale Land; this narative is picking momentum with the commoners. How will ODM and Raila maniacs counter it ? be serious! which kale land are you talking about?which grassroots? that is cheap propaganda. |
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 16:08:57 GMT 3
Word from the grassroots = Kale Land; this narative is picking momentum with the commoners. How will ODM and Raila maniacs counter it ? be serious! which kale land are you talking about?which grassroots? that is cheap propaganda. Am dead serious. How many Kale lands are you aware of ?? And for that matter you are dead right; Cheap propaganda, but very effective |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 25, 2012 19:05:42 GMT 3
NOK:
If your "cheap propaganda" veers close to ethnic incitement, I will do something.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 19:13:54 GMT 3
NOK:If your "cheap propaganda" veers close to ethnic incitement, I will do something. Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator The jist of this thread is to try and preempt cheap propaganda, sensitize the populace about certain narratives and find appropriate measures, counter-measures. That the icc has political implications is more than clear. It is not intended to polarise! With all due respect OO and Stranger1in3 ;your are completely interpreting this thread wrongly. |
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 19:32:47 GMT 3
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Post by affirmed on Jan 25, 2012 19:36:15 GMT 3
I think OO is right! Such preempted rumours and propaganda usually breed a life of their own by enabling what is supposedly being preempted. It is also a latent way of introducing such propaganda into mainstream discourse. In the obtaining situation, I would say such carelessness is imprudent. NOK:If your "cheap propaganda" veers close to ethnic incitement, I will do something. Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator The jist of this thread is to try and preempt cheap propaganda, sensitize the populace about certain narratives and find appropriate measures, counter-measures. That the icc has political implications is more than clear. It is not intended to polarise! With all due respect OO and Stranger1in3 ;your are completely interpreting this thread wrongly. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 25, 2012 19:39:32 GMT 3
NOK:
OK.
For now, I will give you the benefit of doubt.
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 19:49:10 GMT 3
I think OO is right! Such preempted rumours and propaganda usually breed a life of their own by enabling what is supposedly being preempted. It is also a latent way of introducing such propaganda into mainstream discourse. In the obtaining situation, I would say such carelessness is imprudent. The jist of this thread is to try and preempt cheap propaganda, sensitize the populace about certain narratives and find appropriate measures, counter-measures. That the icc has political implications is more than clear. It is not intended to polarise! With all due respect OO and Stranger1in3 ;your are completely interpreting this thread wrongly. I will not get down into a fist fight with you but we don't have to share the same view. I know what am talking about and if you care, go down there to the said areas and listen to what is being discussed. Just refrain from calling me careless when you miss the jist of my thought. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 25, 2012 20:08:57 GMT 3
NOK:
Relax.
On a lighter note, the WORD you are looking for is GIST, not "jist" which means:
Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by nok on Jan 25, 2012 20:16:55 GMT 3
NOK:Relax.On a lighter note, the WORD you are looking for is GIST, not "jist" which means: Onyango Oloo
Jukwaa Administrator ;D ;D ;D Ten 4 u 0 4 me |
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Post by subsaharanite on Jan 25, 2012 20:18:42 GMT 3
I certainly think trying to saturate the Kalenjin Nation with Raila's reign over the ICC judges will start to backfire.
Of late, Kale politicians have started going back to their real folks. Some just wanna be referred to as Nandis' Turgens, etc as they realize that some people are just there to cannibalize their political ambitions then generalize their views as coming from the entire Kalenjin Nation.
Masters of 'divide and rule' should quickly move in and capitalize on the scenario.
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Post by affirmed on Jan 25, 2012 20:25:29 GMT 3
No, we don't need to get into a fist fight. We also don't need to share the same view. But I got the gist of your thought. It was your expressed thought that you were prempting the propaganda -- which means it didn't exist at the time you posted your statement. Your current posting now indicates that what you prempted a couple of hours ago is now a reality. I don't have to disbelieve or doubt you. I don't even have to go down there to witness what is going on. My take on your earlier posting was to the effect that prempting propaganda and assigning the same to an entire community is careless talk. I think OO is right! Such preempted rumours and propaganda usually breed a life of their own by enabling what is supposedly being preempted. It is also a latent way of introducing such propaganda into mainstream discourse. In the obtaining situation, I would say such carelessness is imprudent. I will not get down into a fist fight with you but we don't have to share the same view. I know what am talking about and if you care, go down there to the said areas and listen to what is being discussed. Just refrain from calling me careless when you miss the jist of my thought. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Jan 26, 2012 5:44:15 GMT 3
NOK,
You are making my day, we all know that is what the mashinani folks will say, needless to say, the confirmation of the hearing, does not mean they are guilty.
All I care is the resettlement of the IDP'S.
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 11:10:22 GMT 3
The ICC ruling hurt the pride of many and if you guys believe tribal politics in Kenya is in the past, you need to think again.
When someone has come to the conclusion that his people's leader is being targeted not for the alleged crimes he has committed but just to bar him from the Presidency then this is the most dangerous voter you can have.
While others think that it is a bygone conclusion that the Presidency is theirs for the taking, they will slack with others not opting to vote beacuse let's face it, the Presidency is ours.
In the other side of the country, those with wounded prides will be waiting at the voting centers as early as 5AM and I assure you they'll be swarming the centers like bees.
That's what went wrong in 2007, when a certain community was made to believe that it was being targeted. Voters in regions like central came out in such massive droves that 83% of voters cast their votes.
Places like coast recorded a certain party's win but only with 57% voter turn out.
Now couple these two instances with the fact that coast province has a popultaion of 3.3 million voters and central has a population 4.3 million then you get to understand how everything went wrong.
We've been fed the lie that a certain person was the people's choice and how he garnered 6 provinces out of 8 but nothing could be further from the truth. This was all propaganda to rally support for his cause.
It's all about facts! Facts will remain facts and they will never change.
These are the provinces that a certain someone carried. Nyanza, Mombasa, Western and Rift Valley. Those who lost had 16 MPs from the Rift Valley against 33 of the winning side. That was the region with the largest number of seats for this party.
On the other hand, the other old man from central carried three provinces namely Central, Nairobi and North Eastern. Yes, he carried North Eastern where everyone has been making assumptions that it was carried by another party. The old man had 11 seats whereas those who lost had 6 seats.
In Nairobi the old man had 6 seats out of 2. Central was a massive win for the old man.
Eastern did not go to the old man but to the wiper man. He had 17 seats whereas the old man had 13 which wasn't too bad for him.
It has always been told that there was no way the old man won because he did not have the seats but I dare anyone still convinced of this to do some simple maths.
Add up the votes that the MPs supporting the old man got and those that his counterpart got and make the statistical assumption that those who voted for the MP also voted for the party's Presidential candidate. The truth will blow the socks off your feet.
It was a vote for survival. Those who felt they were being targeted voted to the last man. Old folks who by reason of age and health issues could not make it were ferried to voting centers in droves just to maximize on votes. One of the writers on one of our local dailies also attests to this.
The country was literally divided along tribal lines and a repeat of this might see the light of day in 2012.
The truth is that there will probably be no fighting since the two communities that have been fighting since multiparty democracy was introduced are now in this together and the current situation might forge the bonds of friendship between these two communities for a long time to come.
The point is this, when it comes to wounded pride, Miguna has taught us that a man fights to the bitter end and in this case those with wounded prides will fight with their voting cards at the ballot and all I can assure you is that it will be Biblical!
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Post by nereah on Jan 26, 2012 16:27:54 GMT 3
nok & all
keep your ears wide open. we are heading to bondo this weekend where kenyan progressives and all will be by the graveside of jaramogi ajuma oginga odinga for his memorial. this would be a moment for reflection on the journey from where he left us.
njuguna john,
what you are talking about in refence to miguna i would hazard is not pride.there are those like you who would mistake one's luones to arrogance or pride. i double dare you to start another thread on this and i will wear you down with facts.
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