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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 25, 2012 11:45:59 GMT 3
Njenga Mwangi and Dann Mwangi
21 January 2012Section 137(1) of the Constitution is equivocal on the qualifications for nomination of a presidential candidate; one must be a citizen by birth, qualifies to stand for election as MP, is nominated by a political party or is an independent candidate; and is nominated by not fewer than 2,000 voters from each of a majority of the counties. A person is not qualified for nomination as a presidential candidate if he/she owes allegiance to a foreign State or is public officer, acting in any State or other public office. The Constitution further elaborates in Section 99(2), (3) and Section 193(2)(3) that even if a person has been convicted of any crime and imprisoned for a period of over six months but has not exhausted all possibilities of appeal or review of the sentence or decision, he/she cannot be disqualified from vying for a seat in Parliament, County government or presidency. Therefore, the minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs, Mr Mutula Kilonzo, is utterly wrong, is misleading the public and advancing narrow parochial interests by deliberately misinterpreting the Constitution to insist that any of the Ocampo Six cannot vie for any positions in the coming General Election or that if charges against any of them are confirmed they must step down from their public offices. The Constitution is clear in Article 79 that only the Independent Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission is mandated to ensure compliance and enforcement of Chapter Six on issues relating to leadership and integrity. Additionally, for this independent commission to do so, Parliament must enact legislation establishing procedures and mechanisms for the effective administration of this Chapter as per Article 80(a, c and d). So far, Parliament has not done so and, therefore, the commission, which has the sole mandate to enforce Chapter Six, cannot purport to bar anyone from running for any position. Attempts to bar anyone would remain unconstitutional as Section 249(1)(c) that stipulates that all independent commissions must promote constitutionalism and sub-section (2)(a) reaffirms that in carrying out their mandate the commissions are only subject to the Constitution, the law and must act independently and not under the direction or control by any person or authority. In contrast, if any member of the commission purports to do so without the legal operational instruments from Parliament, Section 251(1) of the Constitution is equivocal that such a member contravenes Chapter Six of the Constitution and should be removed from office. In this respect, the Cabinet sub-committee on ICC and even the Cabinet itself cannot usurp the role of this commission to interpret or enforce compliance with the Leadership and Integrity chapter. To do so would not only be unconstitutional and illegal but also grossly contemptuous and ridiculous in a constitutional democracy. In any case, this committee has two members who have expressed interest to vie for the presidency and it would be a conflict of interest if they are left to decide who can vie for presidency and who cannot. Further, the minister exhibits intellectual laziness in the interpretation of the law for even a layman's reading of the Public Officer Ethics Act does not bar anyone, and specifically Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and Mr William Ruto, from running for any position. Strict interpretation of this Act informs us that the two are not public officers within the meaning of that Act. In any case, Section 16(1) states that all public officers must remain politically neutral and if Mr Kilonzo, who is secretary-general of the Wiper Democratic Party, and a key ally of a presidential aspirant, sticks with this argument, he has already defied this Act and should either resign or be hounded out of office. The Anti-Corruption and Economic Crimes Act cannot also be used as a roadblock to bar some aspirants from vying for the presidency. Section 62(1) is specific that a public officer can only be suspended from office if charged with corruption or economic crimes. Consequently, since the Independent Ethics and Corruption Commission has not been given the legal mandate by Parliament to enforce Chapter Six of the Constitution, this Act cannot be used to suspend anyone facing charges at the ICC. The decision as to who becomes the next president of this country lies with its citizens exercising their democratic right to vote for a candidate of their choice. The writers are advocates of the High Court of Kenyaallafrica.com/stories/201201230322.htmlNow, where in the constitution does it say that Uhuru and Ruto have been 'convicted' of crimes? There are enough legal minds on Jukwaa to contend this but when you do make sure you quote the relevant parts of the constitution because anything else would just be hot air!
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Post by bob on Jan 25, 2012 16:01:29 GMT 3
Nothing new
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Post by sunday on Jan 25, 2012 18:01:44 GMT 3
How I wish they run for president.
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Post by nereah on Jan 25, 2012 18:09:03 GMT 3
a nairobi insider whispers that kanu national chairman and deputy prime minister,uhuru muigai kenyatta will step aside possibly this friday,in what phil had alluded to as a earth shaking announcement.
another informant, classic fm news, alerts me that two voters have gone to court to compell the independent electoral commission of kenya from clearing uhuru and ruto for future elections invoking some sections of kenyan law and the agreement that have been discussed in other threads on icc ruling.
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Post by phil on Jan 25, 2012 18:29:50 GMT 3
@njungunajohn
How will Uhuru and Ruto obtain Certificates of Good Conduct from CID with this ICC case on their backs?
Which CID Officer in the reformed KP will sign CoGC when it is not known
CoGC, plus tax compliancy certificates and HELB clearance are now a prerequisite at party nomination stage because the IEBC will require these documents attached to nomination certificates. Even recent by-elections, IIEC demanded for these documents.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 25, 2012 19:00:08 GMT 3
Njenga Mwangi and Dann Mwangi
The writers are advocates of the High Court of Kenya
allafrica.com/stories/201201230322.html
Now, where in the constitution does it say that Uhuru and Ruto have been 'convicted' of crimes? Let you two be advocates wherever you may be. But still you will know the law is never clearcut, and is subject to interpretation. Various interpretations, some of which are diametrically opposed. I know a legal dispute in the USA which lasted more than a hundred years in Louissiana: How legal was the marriage of Mr. Lovejoy, a whiteman, to his black female slave later lover? I think only toward the end of last century did the supreme court make a ruling! And even then, some independent courts in that French state wont issue the marriage certificate posthumous! The new constitution, like all works of men, has inherrent contradictions, and to harmonize or resolve or interpret these in the spirit of the constitution, requires yet another not easy to define factor! For in reality, one lawyer can argue for a point, and the other the opposite, and judge can rule in the spiriti of the law, or in bad faith, as in corrupt and defending certain interests. Was it not a judge, a trained lawyer then, who accepted the verdict that Dr. Robert Ouko had committed suicde, then ressurected and broken his leg! Yes lawyers I know you! You are failing to point the contradictory sections in the constitution, as if integrity is neither here nor there! SEE BELOW! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 25, 2012 19:23:46 GMT 3
DR. ALFRED N. MUTUA, EBS PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY & GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON 14 th December, 2011HASSAN OMAR HASSAN SHOULD RESIGN FOR VIOLATING THE INTEGRITY CHAPTER OF OUR CONSTITUTION Our new Constitution has strengthened and properly entrenched our Government structure. Checks and balances that ensure discipline and good governance have been clearly defined. According to our Constitution, it cannot and should never be business as usualAn important section of our katiba is Chapter 6 that talks of integrity and the quality of good leaders. Kenya needs to be a country where the basics of ethics, tolerance, focus and enhancement of unity are the main lyrics by all leaders and people in positions of influence. We have to say no to hatred, to prophets of tribalism, to corrupt people and to people whose focus is on what sets us apart than what brings us together. To this end, people in Government or positions of influence who preach intolerance and use tribalism as a weapon to advance their own arguments should not be allowed to continue serving in positions of leadership. It is quite a shock that a Commissioner of a Constitutional body in our country would voice an opinion that paints one tribe in our country negatively in a way that creates intolerance and in extent promotes hatred. We are, as a country, have just come from the darkest period of our country, where polarization and tribalism led to abuses of human rights of our people. The blood of the children, mothers, brothers, sisters and fathers of our beloved country coloured the ground as people were attacked just because of their beliefs and their tribe. It is, for lack of a better words, flabbergasting, shocking, amazing, astounding and scary that a Commissioner of Human Rights actually promotes views that can be understood to promote tribal differences similar to those witnessed before and during the post-election violence. We should ask ourselves, if the defenders of Human Rights are promoting division and intolerance, who will protect the innocent children of our country? Our Commissioner should know that no one sends a postcard requesting which tribe to be born or where to be born. Every Kenyan has a right to aspire, to dream and to seek to achieve personal growth. It does not matter where you are born, it does not matter what tribe you are, it does not matter whether you are male or female, it does not matter what religion you are, it does not matter what languages you speak and it does not even matter how tall, short, fat, or thin you are. If you are a Kenyan you are a Kenyan and you should walk proudly in this great land with no apologies because this is a New Kenya – Kenya Mpya. Therefore, we call upon Commissioner Mr. Hassan Omar Hassan to do the honourable thing and in keeping with Chapter Six of our Constitution, to step aside and even better resign for he has violeted our constitution. The integrity Chapter of our Katiba is clear that Mr. Hassan should, as per Section 73 (1) (v) promote “Public confidence in the integrity of the office.” He has failed to uphold the requirement of Section 73 (2) (b) that requires a Government official to be a person who exercises “Objectivity and impartiality in decision making and in ensuring that decisions are not influenced by nepotism, favoritism, and other improper motives or corrupt practices.” Therefore, it is the New Kenya, our Constitution that is saying that Mr. Hassan Omar has no place in today’s reality. He should resign or be removed from his responsibilities immediately. All Kenyans who love our country and who want a clear break from the past should all rise up and say no to prophets of impunity and to any person, who preaches intolerance, promotes hate and who is not keeping with the reality of a New Kenya.DR. ALFRED N. MUTUA, EBS PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY & GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON 14th December, 2011 Jukwaa: Gok orders Omar to quit Scroll down to Njuguna Johns link! ------------------ And since yesterday I have not heard my favourite official waxing moralistic! That is when I start to stroll around with what the Luo call angoch-tiang': a spectacle made of dried maize stems! Take a look with me! Me knows every court has her fool. But in antiquity, the chief fool was usually the wittiest and best analyst of the day. We all remember the one called Abu Nuwas who was asked by his king to gather the ten most foolish men in the Kingdom. He brought seven to audience, then asked the King to call his cleverest advisor to witness his opposites. When the man arrived, the king looked at Nuwas: Well Abu, you only found seven? Perhaps, my lord, you want to do your counting again as to the number of people in this room. I got my ten! But things have changed, and in the republic of Kenya, the court's fools are in their own rights formidable nuisances. One is Dr. Alfred Mutua, but with professor Muiga next to him, you may be excused a moment of indecision as to who comes top. All I can say is the eloquence of these men reminds me of the eloquence of a baboon's red rear, getting rid of constipation at my local zoo! Imagine my shame if Mutua were to prove me premature! |
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Post by njambaa on Jan 25, 2012 21:59:30 GMT 3
Before i start (forgive my english)Before the icc confirmation.The poll's companies made it clear,the republic of kenya support for the icc was at the bottom in years.. 54% supported it.my biggest question is who does the $46% support?Is 46% a number to ignore.i understand there is plenty of choice to choose from ,but if thats not the choice for the 46% me being one of them ,what does that mean?..I personaly will not vote if my choice is not on the menu.one more thing ,This human right activist groups and some Ngo,its all a money minting project,,ask me?i have done the most extensive reseach . I can cripple all the dammy ngo's. in a month time ,but i dont want to create unemployment to anybody .. o.o if i said something wrong delete me now.its all about a level playing ground.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 25, 2012 23:17:05 GMT 3
@njambaa,
Are you suggesting Legal processes follow opinion polls wouldn't that favour the better looking criminals against the uglier counterparts for public opinion is bound to be more sympathetic to the fairer?
Public opinion sways at the behest of opinion leaders (whose main tool is propaganda, heavily employed at political campaigns), should legal reasoning follow suit.
Cherry picking opinion polls to make an argument and vilifying NGO's when they offer a contrary opinion is the classic example of what has been quoted above by JAKASWANGA-- government quoting the constitution when it is expedient and rubbishing it in favour of 'individual capacity' when the same argument is applied to them.
We were told some of the Ocampo 6 could not be asked to resign for they were not suspect. Now that they are......the rules change!
What is clear is that it will be hard to wiggle out of this Hague predicament...The 'uta do?' attitude has been seriously dented.
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Post by b6k on Jan 25, 2012 23:48:48 GMT 3
I saw Mutula Kilonzo on NTV rubbish both the AG & the CIC on their interpretations of the constitution. As the minister who formulates legal policy he believes Uhuru & Muthaura should step down. Beyond that he argues Uhuru & Ruto shouldn't contest the presidential elections & risk putting the nation in the embarrassing situation where a president shuttles between Nairobi & The Hague for his trial. He has a valid point.
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Post by terminator on Jan 26, 2012 0:57:50 GMT 3
Me thinks Chapter Six, section 75(3) of the constitution is worth a second look in this case. It disqualifies anyone who has been removed from office for a contravention of the integrity provisions from holding any other state office. Would that mean William Ruto is automatically disqualified from running for any elective office?
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 8:43:30 GMT 3
Sorry, I couldn't quite understand you. Did you mean you have 'nothing new' to contribute to this debate? |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:09:04 GMT 3
a nairobi insider whispers that kanu national chairman and deputy prime minister,uhuru muigai kenyatta will step aside possibly this friday,in what phil had alluded to as a earth shaking announcement.
another informant, classic fm news, alerts me that two voters have gone to court to compell the independent electoral commission of kenya from clearing uhuru and ruto for future elections invoking some sections of kenyan law and the agreement that have been discussed in other threads on icc ruling. On the first part in bold, about an 'earth shaking announcement', I believe it will be so earth shaking that their 'political opponents' will finally realize that come rain or sunshine, they will never see the light of day when a Raila Presidency becomes a reality. On the second part in bold, about 'voters' going to court, I find it laughable and appalling that all media houses could collude to insist that 'voters' went to court. In this day and age it takes someone quite gifted in the art of Teutonic narrow mindedness to believe that 'voters' have engineered this. In my opinion this is a massive move by Uhuru and Ruto's political opponents to try and block them from ascendancy but anyone who thinks it's that simple is highly mistaken. The money being poured by these 'political opponents' to make the civil society pretend to be 'voters' and go on a witch hunting spree is simply unbelievable; though I must add it was expected. |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:11:03 GMT 3
@njungunajohn How will Uhuru and Ruto obtain Certificates of Good Conduct from CID with this ICC case on their backs? Which CID Officer in the reformed KP will sign CoGC when it is not known CoGC, plus tax compliancy certificates and HELB clearance are now a prerequisite at party nomination stage because the IEBC will require these documents attached to nomination certificates. Even recent by-elections, IIEC demanded for these documents. Did you ever consider the possibility that they might already have them? |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:23:25 GMT 3
Njenga Mwangi and Dann Mwangi
The writers are advocates of the High Court of Kenya
allafrica.com/stories/201201230322.html
Now, where in the constitution does it say that Uhuru and Ruto have been 'convicted' of crimes? Let you two be advocates wherever you may be. But still you will know the law is never clearcut, and is subject to interpretation. Various interpretations, some of which are diametrically opposed. I know a legal dispute in the USA which lasted more than a hundred years in Louissiana: How legal was the marriage of Mr. Lovejoy, a whiteman, to his black female slave later lover? I think only toward the end of last century did the supreme court make a ruling! And even then, some independent courts in that French state wont issue the marriage certificate posthumous! The new constitution, like all works of men, has inherrent contradictions, and to harmonize or resolve or interpret these in the spirit of the constitution, requires yet another not easy to define factor! For in reality, one lawyer can argue for a point, and the other the opposite, and judge can rule in the spiriti of the law, or in bad faith, as in corrupt and defending certain interests. Was it not a judge, a trained lawyer then, who accepted the verdict that Dr. Robert Ouko had committed suicde, then ressurected and broken his leg! Yes lawyers I know you! You are failing to point the contradictory sections in the constitution, as if integrity is neither here nor there! SEE BELOW! I also know a case that happened in Kenya in 1975 where former Nakuru Town MP Mark Waruiru Mwithaga was accused of battering his wife and was eventually found guilty. He ended up in prison for a 5 year term but six months into his imprisonment he got enough sympathy votes to become Nakuru Town MP. He appealed the earlier decision and was eventually released after two years in prison. He finally served his constituents for the other three years of his term as a free man. The world does work in very peculiar ways. Don't you agree? www.standardmedia.co.ke/commentaries/InsidePage.php?id=2000050808&cid=15& |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:40:21 GMT 3
DR. ALFRED N. MUTUA, EBS PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY & GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON 14 th December, 2011HASSAN OMAR HASSAN SHOULD RESIGN FOR VIOLATING THE INTEGRITY CHAPTER OF OUR CONSTITUTION Our new Constitution has strengthened and properly entrenched our Government structure. Checks and balances that ensure discipline and good governance have been clearly defined. According to our Constitution, it cannot and should never be business as usualAn important section of our katiba is Chapter 6 that talks of integrity and the quality of good leaders. Kenya needs to be a country where the basics of ethics, tolerance, focus and enhancement of unity are the main lyrics by all leaders and people in positions of influence. We have to say no to hatred, to prophets of tribalism, to corrupt people and to people whose focus is on what sets us apart than what brings us together. To this end, people in Government or positions of influence who preach intolerance and use tribalism as a weapon to advance their own arguments should not be allowed to continue serving in positions of leadership. It is quite a shock that a Commissioner of a Constitutional body in our country would voice an opinion that paints one tribe in our country negatively in a way that creates intolerance and in extent promotes hatred.We are, as a country, have just come from the darkest period of our country, where polarization and tribalism led to abuses of human rights of our people. The blood of the children, mothers, brothers, sisters and fathers of our beloved country coloured the ground as people were attacked just because of their beliefs and their tribe. It is, for lack of a better words, flabbergasting, shocking, amazing, astounding and scary that a Commissioner of Human Rights actually promotes views that can be understood to promote tribal differences similar to those witnessed before and during the post-election violence. We should ask ourselves, if the defenders of Human Rights are promoting division and intolerance, who will protect the innocent children of our country? Our Commissioner should know that no one sends a postcard requesting which tribe to be born or where to be born. Every Kenyan has a right to aspire, to dream and to seek to achieve personal growth. It does not matter where you are born, it does not matter what tribe you are, it does not matter whether you are male or female, it does not matter what religion you are, it does not matter what languages you speak and it does not even matter how tall, short, fat, or thin you are. If you are a Kenyan you are a Kenyan and you should walk proudly in this great land with no apologies because this is a New Kenya – Kenya Mpya. Therefore, we call upon Commissioner Mr. Hassan Omar Hassan to do the honourable thing and in keeping with Chapter Six of our Constitution, to step aside and even better resign for he has violeted our constitution. The integrity Chapter of our Katiba is clear that Mr. Hassan should, as per Section 73 (1) (v) promote “Public confidence in the integrity of the office.” He has failed to uphold the requirement of Section 73 (2) (b) that requires a Government official to be a person who exercises “Objectivity and impartiality in decision making and in ensuring that decisions are not influenced by nepotism, favoritism, and other improper motives or corrupt practices.” Therefore, it is the New Kenya, our Constitution that is saying that Mr. Hassan Omar has no place in today’s reality. He should resign or be removed from his responsibilities immediately. All Kenyans who love our country and who want a clear break from the past should all rise up and say no to prophets of impunity and to any person, who preaches intolerance, promotes hate and who is not keeping with the reality of a New Kenya.DR. ALFRED N. MUTUA, EBS PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY & GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON 14th December, 2011 Jukwaa: Gok orders Omar to quit Scroll down to Njuguna Johns link! ------------------ And since yesterday I have not heard my favourite official waxing moralistic! That is when I start to stroll around with what the Luo call angoch-tiang': a spectacle made of dried maize stems! Take a look with me! Me knows every court has her fool. But in antiquity, the chief fool was usually the wittiest and best analyst of the day. We all remember the one called Abu Nuwas who was asked by his king to gather the ten most foolish men in the Kingdom. He brought seven to audience, then asked the King to call his cleverest advisor to witness his opposites. When the man arrived, the king looked at Nuwas: Well Abu, you only found seven? Perhaps, my lord, you want to do your counting again as to the number of people in this room. I got my ten! But things have changed, and in the republic of Kenya, the court's fools are in their own rights formidable nuisances. One is Dr. Alfred Mutua, but with professor Muiga next to him, you may be excused a moment of indecision as to who comes top. All I can say is the eloquence of these men reminds me of the eloquence of a baboon's red rear, getting rid of constipation at my local zoo! Imagine my shame if Mutua were to prove me premature! I refer you to the paragraph in red and in particular to the words in green. I saw this with my own eyes, as did you and everyone else here: Why the judges and you insist that Uhuru engaged in preaching intolerance and tribalism I cannot understand and I only read malice in the ICC decisions and in your insinuations. Again you talk about Chapter 6 but fail to consider the following: Source: bit.ly/xr2bZp |
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Post by phil on Jan 26, 2012 9:41:38 GMT 3
@njungunajohn How will Uhuru and Ruto obtain Certificates of Good Conduct from CID with this ICC case on their backs? Which CID Officer in the reformed KP will sign CoGC when it is not known CoGC, plus tax compliancy certificates and HELB clearance are now a prerequisite at party nomination stage because the IEBC will require these documents attached to nomination certificates. Even recent by-elections, IIEC demanded for these documents. Did you ever consider the possibility that they might already have them? These are documents issues biannually and annually my friend. That's why the IEBC requests for " a valid certificate........". |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:51:18 GMT 3
Before i start (forgive my english)Before the icc confirmation.The poll's companies made it clear,the republic of kenya support for the icc was at the bottom in years.. 54% supported it.my biggest question is who does the $46% support?Is 46% a number to ignore.i understand there is plenty of choice to choose from ,but if thats not the choice for the 46% me being one of them ,what does that mean?..I personaly will not vote if my choice is not on the menu.one more thing ,This human right activist groups and some Ngo,its all a money minting project,,ask me?i have done the most extensive reseach . I can cripple all the dammy ngo's. in a month time ,but i dont want to create unemployment to anybody .. o.o if i said something wrong delete me now.its all about a level playing ground. You are absolutely right. The civil society in Kenya is apolitical front with the deepest pockets determining what they'll be crying about every other day. A well known Kenyan who is known for chaining himself in defiance for all manner of things charges Sh300,000 per stint. It's a well known fact to those who require his services but to the ignorant masses and the idealistic types, it all seems like an innocent act of fighting for ones rights. The press always manages to tag along for the show and the police forces soon manage to overpower him and hurl him into a waiting car. Unbeknown to many is the fact that this particular fellow does not spend a single night in police cells. Of the Sh300,000 fee he receives, a certain amount is always for release from cells and those ignorant enough to join him for his shenanigans end up having to bail themselves out with the few thousands he gives them. Therefore, you are right, the civil society is just a money minting front. |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:56:03 GMT 3
I saw Mutula Kilonzo on NTV rubbish both the AG & the CIC on their interpretations of the constitution. As the minister who formulates legal policy he believes Uhuru & Muthaura should step down. Beyond that he argues Uhuru & Ruto shouldn't contest the presidential elections & risk putting the nation in the embarrassing situation where a president shuttles between Nairobi & The Hague for his trial. He has a valid point. Mutula Kilonzo has no credibility whatsoever! Not after serving Moi for all the years he did. This is a man with more skeletons in his closet than can be counted. Therefore referring to him will not give your argument any mileage. |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 9:59:34 GMT 3
Did you ever consider the possibility that they might already have them? These are documents issues biannually and annually my friend. That's why the IEBC requests for " a valid certificate........". Speaking of annually, what if they have taken fresh copies this year just before the ruling and elections are held in December. In such a case you would have to pray that Elections are held next year. Again, HELB and Uhuru Kenyatta have no business with each other. Tax compliance is not determined by the Hague and I doubt that Uhuru is the kind who would not be able to afford to pay taxes. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 26, 2012 11:00:33 GMT 3
Why the judges and you insist that Uhuru engaged in preaching intolerance and tribalism I cannot understand and I only read malice in the ICC decisions and in your insinuations. (....) Again you talk about Chapter 6 but fail to consider the following(....): ] Chapter Six of the Constitution should not be read in isolation. [/color][/quote] NJ, You have not heard me say anywhere UK engaged in preaching hatred and tribalism. But I have the sense to recognize the fashion in which Uk uses the word kehee, is always a subtext to evoke negative emotions respective a particular candidate and peoples. I would not say publicly he is preaching hate, but I would wink to show that nobody is fooling nobody. [circumcise them with broken bottles, is then a possible deduction by a certain breed of young man] Chapter Six of the Constitution should not be read in isolation. CORRECT! ABSOLUTELY! If you followed my argument, you should have noticed the paragraph in which I talk about inherent contradictions in the works of man. So that before a legal proclamation as to a binding verdict, all the opposing passages are tested against the RELEVANT otheSr in their totality --with the thoroughness I have seen the Bulgarian professor Trendafilova bring to her work! Quoting any one section in isolation is a dead end. Then there is also the spirit of the law! the so called toward a new Kenya! away with impunity! This spirit is a very dangerous one to your line of legalese! PS: But to be clear about myself, let me say this: Just like I do not need the law to tell me a man raping his infant is wrong and rotten, but I deduce that out of my own level of civilisation, I cannot tolerate a man accused of crimes of humanity holding public office. Should he claim it is his --constitutional right, then I would think the rights of the dead, the victims of his actions, would surely best be served by his execution until death. So If Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto can express the right to run for president, then defending the rights of the PEV dead, I would think, demands at least their life sentence. The dead too have their rights --in the new Kenya! Resignation is a mild mild mild option! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 26, 2012 11:03:52 GMT 3
Njuguna, Yes I agree! Ya Mungu ni mengi! vile waswahili husema! And we try to order it a bit, mere mortals that we are! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 26, 2012 11:08:10 GMT 3
Therefore, you are right, the civil society is just a money minting front. If I could catch you equally saying in bold that the errors in Uhuru Kenyatta's accounting at the MoF were JUST A MONEY MINTING FRONT, then I would sit baaack and say... Hmmm, this Njugunajohn of Jukwaa, his mind is not singletrack like Miguna's! |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 11:30:44 GMT 3
Why the judges and you insist that Uhuru engaged in preaching intolerance and tribalism I cannot understand and I only read malice in the ICC decisions and in your insinuations. (....) Again you talk about Chapter 6 but fail to consider the following(....): ] Chapter Six of the Constitution should not be read in isolation. [/color][/quote] NJ, You have not heard me say anywhere UK engaged in preaching hatred and tribalism. But I have the sense to recognize the fashion in which Uk uses the word kehee, is always a subtext to evoke negative emotions respective a particular candidate and peoples. I would not say publicly he is preaching hate, but I would wink to show that nobody is fooling nobody. [circumcise them with broken bottles, is then a possible deduction by a certain breed of young man] Chapter Six of the Constitution should not be read in isolation. CORRECT! ABSOLUTELY! If you followed my argument, you should have noticed the paragraph in which I talk about inherent contradictions in the works of man. So that before a legal proclamation as to a binding verdict, all the opposing passages are tested against the RELEVANT otheSr in their totality --with the thoroughness I have seen the Bulgarian professor Trendafilova bring to her work! Quoting any one section in isolation is a dead end. Then there is also the spirit of the law! the so called toward a new Kenya! away with impunity! This spirit is a very dangerous one to your line of legalese! PS: But to be clear about myself, let me say this: Just like I do not need the law to tell me a man raping his infant is wrong and rotten, but I deduce that out of my own level of civilisation, I cannot tolerate a man accused of crimes of humanity holding public office. Should he claim it is his --constitutional right, then I would think the rights of the dead, the victims of his actions, would surely best be served by his execution until death. So If Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto can express the right to run for president, then defending the rights of the PEV dead, I would think, demands at least their life sentence. The dead too have their rights --in the new Kenya! Resignation is a mild mild mild option! [/quote] I would like you to show me a clip of a place where Uhuru has used that word. Indulge me. Please do. I'm waiting earnestly and am considering getting some popcorn for this mother of all sights! |
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Post by njugunajohn on Jan 26, 2012 12:06:37 GMT 3
Therefore, you are right, the civil society is just a money minting front. If I could catch you equally saying in bold that the errors in Uhuru Kenyatta's accounting at the MoF were JUST A MONEY MINTING FRONT, then I would sit baaack and say... Hmmm, this Njugunajohn of Jukwaa, his mind is not singletrack like Miguna's!Now that you've brought up those errors, let me ask you - who brought up the matter? Was Mwalimu Mati involved? Do I need to go on? Let me. I've also said Mwali Mati had a hidden agenda but no one believed me. I didn't say it here but I said it elsewhere. And then, lo and behold, the fellow goes ahead to form a political party with Muite! Do I need to go on? Let me. Who stood to gain from all the attacks on Uhuru? Now you're wondering what attacks. Look at the Mars Group blog: blog.marsgroupkenya.org/There are only two articles that do not have anything to do with Uhuru. Look at the blog with the tag Mwalimu Mati: blog.marsgroupkenya.org/?tag=mwalimu-matiAgain only two topics that have nothing to do with Uhuru Now for the showstopper! Look at the Mars Group website: www.marsgroupkenya.org/Once the page opens and it loads, look at the pictures that are interchanging on the left of the screen under Mashujaa. We see pictures of Wangari Maathai, Dedan Kimathi, Bildad Kagia et al But to my utter horror and surprise there is a picture of none other than Paul Muite! Mati is Muite's party's Chairman and he jointly owns Mars Group with his wife. Now, do we need to keep looking into this typing error saga? And for your information, Uhuru's term at Treasury has not seen a single case of corruption in the Ministry. He has personally never been involved in any corruption case which is the main reason why the Kikuyu elite want him out. He made it impossible for the deals of old to continue at Treasury a fact that is well known and documented. Therefore the typing error saga by Muite and Mati was just a cheap political shot. And I assure you it was money for services rendered. Note that I have not made reference to who was paid what and by whom thus keeping the post clean. |
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