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Post by job on Jan 27, 2012 18:11:29 GMT 3
This is not an alarmist statement, just a call for various thoughts. What do you think? Keeping in mind the recent High Court ruling regarding the date of the next general elections - whereby dissolution of the coalition triggers an election within 60 days - could we be soon heading into this situation?
I do not know how many political parties can today measure up to the requirements of the Political Parties Act. I'm pretty sure the IEBC isn't ready for the general election at this particular moment; precisely because new constituency boundaries and county devolution sub-units are yet to be ratified. A new voter register is yet to be established. A complicated budgeting process should be underway. Many aspects of the new Constitution have not been implemented. All these impending issues are a recipe for disaster should reckless politicians attempt shenanigans similar to the pre-election ruckus of 2007.
What is not lost to observers is that State House and the Attorney General Githu Muigai, have aggressively disposed State resources in a bid to seek appeal for the 4 accused of serious crimes at the ICC. If viewed principally as a time-buying measure, then it would be pertinent to scrutinize whether concurrent steps are being made to rush a quick election. An eye on IEBC's diary, rushed implementation of tasks scheduled under the new Constitution, and expedited steps towards compliance with the Political Parties Act by the principal political players could be suggestive.
The swiftness with which Uhuru and Ruto have announced countrywide tours (despite the strict terms guiding their freedom) seem to suggest invocation of emergency survival politics. Fresh stoking of ethnic hatred and formenting instability MAY be suggestive of injection of the country into premature campaign mode. Kibaki's unilateralism within the coalition should also be interrogated - he made all these cabinet-level executive decisions without consultations with coalition partners.
Does Kibaki want to prematurely dissolve the Coalition prior to commencement of ICC trials, just when Uhuru and Ruto would have stoked enough tribal hatred, confusion, and instability?
Is State House already engaged in rushing a quick political transition ahead of the ICC calendar - deliberately pushed back by an appeal process?
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Post by Titchaz on Jan 27, 2012 18:25:52 GMT 3
Daktari Job, Heshima natanguliza kwako mkuu mwenzangu, When I started this thread last year, I had the exact same thoughts in mind. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5117#ixzz1kAn58VszA four hr meeting between UK, FM na PORK when handing the resignation made sure loyalists would take over those posts they were relenquishing and effectively seal any attempt to reform them. Its not a matter of the spirit of nationhood or any other rationale.....Tribal arithemtic sealed the deal. Then its only safe to believe that the succession politics issue was discussed and UK informed PORK that he is taking the heat for the old man and the only way to assure that Emilio doesn't end up hauled kicking and cursing to The Hague is if Muthamaki gets the reigns of power.. .By any means necessary! Not Raila...Raila Kalonzo...not Saitoti and definitely not Ruto! Anticipate a military angle to this thing too. Remember who took over at KDF after the other chap falsefly retired to take another lucrative job paid by the taxpayer? Mungu ibariki Kenya.
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Post by Dumekenya on Jan 27, 2012 18:46:53 GMT 3
Kenyans need to open their eyes wide. I have had first hand feel of the Mafiosis attitude. They will never change. If it is anything to go by we should have observed the mood when ICC confirmed the charges against the four. You would think that it was Kikuyus or Kalenjins who were being charged. I mean we must accept that Kenya belongs to all the 42+ tribes and we all love our country. Kikuyus should give us a break. I am not being ethnocentric here but this is a fact that we have to leave with. What Kibaki is showing us in this country is really a very loathed example. I wonder if he himself does not see these things. Can someone tell this old dude to change his style of management. We are watching closely. Impunity has got no room any more in Kenya. The Rule of Law must be adhered to to the later.
I am indeed tied of this Mafiosis attitude and reckless tactics.
The Great People of Kenya have come of age yet we have a click that are still slumbering in the remote land of ethnicity and Impunity.
Most likely the premature elections is a positive option for the mafiosis but I believe the civil society and the entire Kenyan race are wide awake not to commit stupid mistakes like in 2007 elections.
The new era has come and no one can stop it. Aluta Continua.
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Post by nok on Jan 27, 2012 19:12:36 GMT 3
This is not an alarmist statement, just a call for various thoughts. What do you think? Keeping in mind the recent High Court ruling regarding the date of the next general elections - whereby dissolution of the coalition triggers an election within 60 days - could we be soon heading into this situation? I do not know how many political parties can today measure up to the requirements of the Political Parties Act. I'm pretty sure the IEBC isn't ready for the general election at this particular moment; precisely because new constituency boundaries and county devolution sub-units are yet to be ratified. A new voter register is yet to be established. A complicated budgeting process should be underway. Many aspects of the new Constitution have not been implemented. All these impending issues are a recipe for disaster should reckless politicians attempt shenanigans similar to the pre-election ruckus of 2007. What is not lost to observers is that State House and the Attorney General Githu Muigai, have aggressively disposed State resources in a bid to seek appeal for the 4 accused of serious crimes at the ICC. If viewed principally as a time-buying measure, then it would be pertinent to scrutinize whether concurrent steps are being made to rush a quick election. An eye on IEBC's diary, rushed implementation of tasks scheduled under the new Constitution, and expedited steps towards compliance with the Political Parties Act by the principal political players could be suggestive. The swiftness with which Uhuru and Ruto have announced countrywide tours (despite the strict terms guiding their freedom) seem to suggest invocation of emergency survival politics. Fresh stoking of ethnic hatred and formenting instability MAY be suggestive of injection of the country into premature campaign mode. Kibaki's unilateralism within the coalition should also be interrogated - he made all these cabinet-level executive decisions without consultations with coalition partners. Does Kibaki want to prematurely dissolve the Coalition prior to commencement of ICC trials, just when Uhuru and Ruto would have stoked enough tribal hatred, confusion, and instability? Is State House already engaged in rushing a quick political transition ahead of the ICC calendar - deliberately pushed back by an appeal process? Suddenly money for IEBC |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 27, 2012 19:19:42 GMT 3
This is not an alarmist statement, just a call for various thoughts. What do you think? Keeping in mind the recent High Court ruling regarding the date of the next general elections - whereby dissolution of the coalition triggers an election within 60 days - could we be soon heading into this situation? I do not know how many political parties can today measure up to the requirements of the Political Parties Act. I'm pretty sure the IEBC isn't ready for the general election at this particular moment; precisely because new constituency boundaries and county devolution sub-units are yet to be ratified. A new voter register is yet to be established. A complicated budgeting process should be underway. Many aspects of the new Constitution have not been implemented. All these impending issues are a recipe for disaster should reckless politicians attempt shenanigans similar to the pre-election ruckus of 2007. What is not lost to observers is that State House and the Attorney General Githu Muigai, have aggressively disposed State resources in a bid to seek appeal for the 4 accused of serious crimes at the ICC. If viewed principally as a time-buying measure, then it would be pertinent to scrutinize whether concurrent steps are being made to rush a quick election. An eye on IEBC's diary, rushed implementation of tasks scheduled under the new Constitution, and expedited steps towards compliance with the Political Parties Act by the principal political players could be suggestive. The swiftness with which Uhuru and Ruto have announced countrywide tours (despite the strict terms guiding their freedom) seem to suggest invocation of emergency survival politics. Fresh stoking of ethnic hatred and formenting instability MAY be suggestive of injection of the country into premature campaign mode. Kibaki's unilateralism within the coalition should also be interrogated - he made all these cabinet-level executive decisions without consultations with coalition partners. Does Kibaki want to prematurely dissolve the Coalition prior to commencement of ICC trials, just when Uhuru and Ruto would have stoked enough tribal hatred, confusion, and instability? Is State House already engaged in rushing a quick political transition ahead of the ICC calendar - deliberately pushed back by an appeal process? With Kibaki anything is possible and remember he now has personal stakes in the ICC process. Kibaki will not be there in person but he will very much be in the dock. We always have to remember that the culprits know exactly what they did. Kibaki knows exactly what he did and it seems he was involved in planning and formenting the PEV. Given what Kibaki and his mob did to grab power in 2008 there is no limit to what Kibaki and his cabal can do. But here are the real problems. First what would be the strategy? A quick election before the ICC process begin would be to try to install Uhuru and his fellow indicted soon to be felons in power before the ICC trials begin and then let Uhuru as "duly elected" then scuttle the ICC process the Bashir style. That is reckless fantasy at best and delusional thinking by some very desperate elements in the Uhuruto bandwagon. It will go nowhere and this is why. (1) Kenya is not Sudan. The country cannot and will not afford a pariah status to save a few asses of Uhuru and Ruto. The stakes in the economy, business and the survival of the country are too high to allow such foolishness to define the country. If they try that they would be crashed from all sides and we could very well destroy the country forever. Even the Uhurus and Rutos with their masters cannot afford that. (2) Any attempts for premature election would be rejected by Kenyans. Nobody can risk any such thing. Kibaki may be desperate to provoke ODM into rushing out of the coalition but ODM is too smart for that. Anybody trying to force the country into an election with no new constituency boundaries, no voter registration and no chance for free and fair elections will fail and could ignite things they cannot control. (3) The election time table is very much confusing but a few things are pretty clear. The August date is dead. The earliest we are looking at could be October 2012. There is an appeal of the last ruling lodged by civil society groups and they are asking for parliament to be dissolved on August 14, 2012 and Elections to be held by October 14, 2012 at the very latest. We will see but Kibaki has no guts to bulldoze the country into any earlier elections to hand power to his toys. Kibaki is a coward who steals from far and behind the scenes, he has no courage to come upfront and battle it out. Right now I think the Kibaki think tank is having pain in their heads. That is what my son says when he is tired of doing his homework. He invents excuses that his head hurts. Kibaki as a person still hopes that somehow by some strange miracle this case will be handed back to Kenya. Beyond that he has no idea what to do next. The Uhuru mob are going to try to push things but the roadblocks are overwhelming. Deperate times calls for desperate actions but these are beyond desperate times. Let them turn and twist. Our country is not going to be destroyed for the sake of a few hoodlums who probably belong in jail. Not now. That is late by a few years. |
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Post by subsaharanite on Jan 27, 2012 23:46:03 GMT 3
I still think if these lords of impunity want to have their way, they can manage. They did it four years ago.
So long as they have the instruments of power, they can still manage. The question is, what do individual Kenyans think about this?
Going by numbers, If the UHURUTO faction decides to support one of their own in an election, they will likely get majority votes. However, they may not get the county threshold needed unless they get help from counties outside the central, eastern and rift valley.
It is thus important to recognize that the peripheral support they get from parts of Coast, western, Nyanza and Nairobi will be more critical than the Kikuyu and Kalenjin Vote.
Without this support, its unlikely that the pair will ascend to power.
ODM must work hard to sensitize people from these peripheral regions whose voting patterns are not well known to be on their side such that UHURUTO faction becomes a two tribe affair.
Otherwise, I see the two occupying the house up the hill.
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Post by Mobimba on Jan 28, 2012 1:00:08 GMT 3
Did anyone else manage to peruse the list of State House attendees as provided by the Kenya Police today i.e. the youth meeting where Mungiki received goodies from Kibaki. I believe it was in the Standard Online earlier today (before it was yanked). On the list was the group OKA (Operation Kibaki Again). The NSIS says the following about OKA. "The judges further ruled that Mungiki involvement in 2007 campaigns is corroborated by a NSIS Situation Report for 28 November 2007, which stated: "Some Mungiki national officials [...] have resolved to campaign for the President through a lobby group called ‘Operation Kibaki Again’ (OKA), but on conditions that its members would be recruited into the Military/Police, restitution of the group’s vehicles impounded by police, and being allowed to re-open their offices and operation bases." -Standard Media. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050968&cid=4&I guess Kibaki's argument is that he hosted OKA without the knowledge they were in fact Mungiki… although he was briefed of the same fact on or about 28 November 2007. Kumeumana. |
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Post by johns on Jan 28, 2012 1:39:48 GMT 3
Job,
There could be some truth to what your crystal ball is alluding to as far as to the calling of a premature general election. Although at the moment it is predicated on a long shot by the inaction taken by muthamaki on his quest to precipitate a crisis within the coalition government.
With the blessings of Kibaki, the continuous staying in office by Uhuru as a DPM is meant to drive ODM into the wall leaving them with one option; pulling out of the coalition which would necessitate a premature general election before the commencement of trials at the ICC. Kibakis protection has been prioritized and if that mean kenya becoming a pariah state, so be it the cabal has concluded.
Uhuru is not prepared to resign from that post and looking at other options left by which the DPM can be removed from office, the only plausible route these con artists residing at state house have identified is premature general election in which the icc suspects are elected as president and therefore taking care of baba Jimmy by shielding him form the clutches of the showstopper Argentian bad man "Ogambo".
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Post by emali on Jan 28, 2012 2:58:07 GMT 3
After 2007 with Kibaki anything is possible, his actions especially since the ICC trial became a reality suggest YES he might be planning on a snap election. His reasoning may be along these lines...
1. Naivasha— use Ruto to rubber stamp PNU’s presidential system & weaken the counties
2. NO campaign-Ruto tests the electorate by leading the campaign against the constitution (which he played a big part in creating & molesting) and comes away with a 30% vote essentially proving he can sell water to a whale.
3. Appoint Muigai AG to legalize criminality and go to war with Al Shabbab to keep the military busy.
4. Uhuruto stoke up ethnic tensions and proclaim they will run for the presidency come rain or sun.
5. Call a snap election
6.”The reason there was so much ‘bad press’ in 2007 was because the Kalenjin warriors were not part of the plan. This time they are with us we can focus on Kisumu and blame everything on Raila”
7. Uhuruto sworn in 2013
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Post by njamba on Jan 28, 2012 3:19:02 GMT 3
The biggest question is can raila PULL another Kibaki Tosha by making a move that will put the criminals on one side and Kenyans on the other.. Ruto and Uhuru have been defeated before by Narc so they can trounced once more
Raila needs to fight like like this is the last round of 12 round boxing match and he has been knocked once otherwise Uhuru will rule kenya till 2022
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Post by tnk on Jan 28, 2012 3:35:02 GMT 3
Did anyone else manage to peruse the list of State House attendees as provided by the Kenya Police today i.e. the youth meeting where Mungiki received goodies from Kibaki. I believe it was in the Standard Online earlier today (before it was yanked). On the list was the group OKA (Operation Kibaki Again). The NSIS says the following about OKA. "The judges further ruled that Mungiki involvement in 2007 campaigns is corroborated by a NSIS Situation Report for 28 November 2007, which stated: "Some Mungiki national officials [...] have resolved to campaign for the President through a lobby group called ‘Operation Kibaki Again’ (OKA), but on conditions that its members would be recruited into the Military/Police, restitution of the group’s vehicles impounded by police, and being allowed to re-open their offices and operation bases." -Standard Media. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050968&cid=4&I guess Kibaki's argument is that he hosted OKA without the knowledge they were in fact Mungiki… although he was briefed of the same fact on or about 28 November 2007. Kumeumana. == Iteere tabled the following names: Warembo na KibakiMartha Wangare Naisiae Karia Beryl Oyier Lydia Martha Vijana na KibakiPatrick Ngatia Joseph Kioko Sakaja Johnstone Job Wamalwa Andrew Wahahiu Thomas Mbewa Jonathan Katiku Kipya Youth InterpartiesYvone Khamati Leon Ndubai James Mathenge Jack Wamboka Gor Semilango PNU Youth AlliancePatrick Kokonya George Nyongesa Ken Orengo Kanu YouthBadi Ali Kamau Mugo Kenya Artists Welfare Association (Kawa)James Munene Nahashon Maina Mary Githinji Godfrey Machira Operation Kibaki Again (OKA)Godwini Kamau Maina Kangethe Anthony Kamau HawkersHosiah Mwangi Amos Kamande Nelson Githaiga Mwende Mwinzi Leeh Nyachae == Mobimbait would appear that the police deny mungiki presence by confirming their presence  |
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Post by Mobimba on Jan 28, 2012 5:34:46 GMT 3
tnk,
At first I thought it was a huge blunder on the part of Iteere/ standard... but now I think it's the typical 'mta do?' attitude.
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Post by tnk on Jan 28, 2012 8:33:21 GMT 3
tnk, At first I thought it was a huge blunder on the part of Iteere/ standard... but now I think it's the typical 'mta do?' attitude. my impression here, given that article you posted on OKA, (and by the way lincoln that was a good catch) is that these guys do not have a clue whats going on. by providing that list, they actually confirm that indeed mungiki held meeting in state house by literally hiding in plain-sight i.e using whatever appropriately titled organisation they formed. that is one really bad move by iteere, its the same as what nguyai did at the ICC, being way too clever and ooooppps... check this out www.the-star.co.ke/local/central/59864-i-did-my-best-at-icc-nguyai-tells-residents== Nguyai's Wednesday statement could be an effort to defend himself from a section of Kiambu residents that has expressed its dissatisfaction with his evidence at the ICC. Shortly the Kikuyu MP took the witness' stand, some residents were angered by his evidence, saying the assistance minister ''betrayed the Finance minister by talking too much''. == |
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Post by mank on Jan 28, 2012 8:50:11 GMT 3
my impression here, given that article you posted on OKA, (and by the way lincoln that was a good catch) is that these guys do not have a clue whats going on. by providing that list, they actually confirm that indeed mungiki held meeting in state house by literally hiding in plain-sight i.e using whatever appropriately titled organisation they formed.
that is one really bad move by iteere, its the same as what nguyai did at the ICC, being way too clever and ooooppps...
check this out
www.the-star.co.ke/local/central/59864-i-did-my-best-at-icc-nguyai-tells-residents
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Nguyai's Wednesday statement could be an effort to defend himself from a section of Kiambu residents that has expressed its dissatisfaction with his evidence at the ICC. Shortly the Kikuyu MP took the witness' stand, some residents were angered by his evidence, saying the assistance minister ''betrayed the Finance minister by talking too much''.== I just hope Nguyai did not incriminate an innocent person. Pending disclosure of the redacted evidence, it is very likely that Uhuru's case confirmation owes fully to the witness evidence of Mr. Nguyai. Till the man came to the dock I was pretty sure Uhuru was huru ... after the man's talk, I felt, surely, ICC needs to hear more about this Uhuru man. |
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Post by samson on Jan 28, 2012 10:55:31 GMT 3
There seems to be alot hatred towards the kikuyus,and partly kalenjins. For those people saying "kikuyus should give us a break" please note:we have many kyuks who do nt support uhuru or ruto. All kikuyus also do not support impunity. Please as you comment diffrentiate btwn an average kyuk 'hussler' and the elites. Majority of kyuks go through the same daily problems like other kenyas. If you doudt just vist the remote parts of central provence,majority of them are actualy poor. I happen to work in many regions of this country and kenyas go through similar problems. If u feel hatred towards someone,a region,a race,or a tribe take time to interact with them and understand them. I have also realised most tribalists are actually educated people. If u doudt just vist our local universities as they hold elections. Lets learn to live with each other. Not all luos are arrogant,not all lughas like chicken,not all kyuks are tricksters(thieves) M.Teresa said-if u gudge people you have no time to love them.
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Post by godmesa on Jan 28, 2012 12:05:06 GMT 3
Job's cautious warning should be heeded. Kibaki operates an extremely erratic, unconventional, and unpredictable dogma. He never changes and can appear confused when cornered but these are a ruse which he has used to his advantage in the past. Right from Bahati where Jael Mbogo beat him and he switched off the lights last minute, destroyed ballot papers and 'won'. What he did next, has been his modus operandi since then. He relocated to Othaya so that he won't have to face the consequences of his actions. He never repeats one 'accident' after the last one, instead he comes up with even a more destructive method than the last. His assumed outside ameable demenour somehow hides a man whose politics is littered with recklessness, betrayal and sheer selfishness.
In modern times, his behaviour shows that he hasn't changed. Losing the referendum, taught him that elections must be stolen to enable him to stay afloat. And so he stole and stayed as a president for another 5 years.
His strong headed appointment of Githu, and what has transpired since then tells you that the real kibaki is alive. His obstinate re-appointment of Njuguna at central bank, and gichangi, tells you kibaki is alive. His ethnic appoinment of Kimemia, Githae, and the other guy to replace Uhuru and muthaura tells you kibaki is not and will never play fair.
If push comes, and if he realises that he is cornered, Kibaki will not only instigate elections, but he will also hide and watch things 'settles' down from some position of 'aloofness'.
Just as sane people knows that the world thinks Kenya to strategic to let fail, Kibaki is also aware that whatever trouble and chaos he causes by a botched elections, Kenya will be stablised with him or his representatives very much in the equation. What Kibaki won't do is to leave power knowing that his backside is not covered. And kibaki trusts no one outside his ethnic base.
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Post by b6k on Jan 28, 2012 15:56:59 GMT 3
Did anyone else manage to peruse the list of State House attendees as provided by the Kenya Police today i.e. the youth meeting where Mungiki received goodies from Kibaki. I believe it was in the Standard Online earlier today (before it was yanked). On the list was the group OKA (Operation Kibaki Again). The NSIS says the following about OKA. "The judges further ruled that Mungiki involvement in 2007 campaigns is corroborated by a NSIS Situation Report for 28 November 2007, which stated: "Some Mungiki national officials [...] have resolved to campaign for the President through a lobby group called ‘Operation Kibaki Again’ (OKA), but on conditions that its members would be recruited into the Military/Police, restitution of the group’s vehicles impounded by police, and being allowed to re-open their offices and operation bases." -Standard Media. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050968&cid=4&I guess Kibaki's argument is that he hosted OKA without the knowledge they were in fact Mungiki… although he was briefed of the same fact on or about 28 November 2007. Kumeumana. == Iteere tabled the following names: Warembo na KibakiMartha Wangare Naisiae Karia Beryl Oyier Lydia Martha Vijana na KibakiPatrick Ngatia Joseph Kioko Sakaja Johnstone Job Wamalwa Andrew Wahahiu Thomas Mbewa Jonathan Katiku Kipya Youth InterpartiesYvone Khamati Leon Ndubai James Mathenge Jack Wamboka Gor Semilango PNU Youth AlliancePatrick Kokonya George Nyongesa Ken Orengo Kanu YouthBadi Ali Kamau Mugo Kenya Artists Welfare Association (Kawa)James Munene Nahashon Maina Mary Githinji Godfrey Machira Operation Kibaki Again (OKA)Godwini Kamau Maina Kangethe Anthony Kamau HawkersHosiah Mwangi Amos Kamande Nelson Githaiga Mwende Mwinzi Leeh Nyachae == Mobimbait would appear that the police deny mungiki presence by confirming their presence Dead men tell no tales! Incident Report Description Maina Kang’ethe, a suspected Mungiki leader, disappeared on 13/6/08 after he was picked from an unknown location by the anti-Mungiki police squad. Prior to his disappearance, he had expressed fears for his life after suspicious people trailed him severally. His mobile phone has since been switched off. He was still missing at the time of compiling this report on 11/7/08. kenya.ushahidi.com/reports/view/2947 |
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Post by Titchaz on Jan 28, 2012 17:48:49 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jan 28, 2012 20:47:05 GMT 3
Heheheeee Mwende Mwinzi (a PNU surporter based in NY and a former council member of the NESC of Kenya) is also on that list? i guess she had to be listed under some category.
well, i can believe that since she was in the country during that time campaigning for Kibaki's re election.
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Post by johns on Jan 28, 2012 21:01:58 GMT 3
I WILL NOT STEP DOWN, VOWS Uhuru Posted by BERNARD MOMANYI on January 28, 2012 DPM Uhuru Kenyatta /File RUIRU, Kenya, Jan 28 – Embattled Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta on Saturday said he had no plans to quit the government following indictment by the International Criminal Court (ICC). Kenyatta who stepped aside as Finance Minister on Thursday told a major peace rally at Ruiru stadium in Kiambu County that he will retain the position of deputy prime minister in accordance with the constitution. He said only Parliament can force him to relinquish the portfolio he has held since the inception of the Grand Coalition Government in 2008. “I will not step down from the position of deputy prime minister unless a vote of no confidence is taken to Parliament and MPs approve it,’ he said. The statement comes in the wake of a spirited campaign especially from the civil society asking him to step aside after the ICC Pre-Trial chamber confirmed charges of crimes against humanity leveled against him. Kenyatta revealed that he had already appealed the ICC ruling issued on Monday. “Kenya must be governed by the rule of law and not by the civil society who operate from hotels,” he said. “I have already appealed against the ruling of the ICC Pre-Trial chamber and therefore I cannot discuss the case.” Head of public service Francis Muthaura, one of the most influential men in President Mwai Kibaki’s circle, who also had the charges against him confirmed by The Hague-based court, resigned as well on Thursday. He explained that he and Muthaura could have left office on Monday, but President Mwai Kibaki was away in Uganda. Following the ICC charges, activist groups have gone to court to block Kenyatta, son of Kenya’s first president, from running for the presidency in elections due by March 2013. “Those saying I and Ruto cannot vie for the presidency are day dreaming as the holder of the top job can only be determined by Kenyans in the ballot,” he said. Kenyatta said: I am ready to work with Ruto, Kalonzo Musyoka, Eugene Wamalwa, Raphael Tuju and others.” Also at the Ruiru peace rally, Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka said that the Grand Coalition Government would collapse if Kenyatta was to bow to pressure and resign as Deputy Prime Minister. “You should not listen to the voices of civil societies who are calling on you to resign as Deputy Prime Minister. We will use the law to deal with them,” he said. A day after the ICC ruling was issued, Attorney General Githu Muigai insisted that the two officials would not be asked to quit their senior public positions until an appeal they plan to lodge in The Hague is determined. However, Justice and Constitutional Affairs Minister Mutula Kilonzo has been adamant that the Kenyatta needs to step aside from public office for the duration of his trial. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/01/i-will-not-step-down-vows-deputy-pm-uhuru/Like i said somewhere in this thread, this was a premedicated action that was taken to precipitate a crisis within the coalition, in the hope that ODM will buy the bait and pull out. The question is; will ODM take it? |
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Post by okolowaka on Jan 28, 2012 21:10:33 GMT 3
Did anyone else manage to peruse the list of State House attendees as provided by the Kenya Police today i.e. the youth meeting where Mungiki received goodies from Kibaki. I believe it was in the Standard On-line earlier today (before it was yanked). On the list was the group OKA (Operation Kibaki Again). The NSIS says the following about OKA. "The judges further ruled that Mungiki involvement in 2007 campaigns is corroborated by a NSIS Situation Report for 28 November 2007, which stated: "Some Mungiki national officials [...] have resolved to campaign for the President through a lobby group called ‘Operation Kibaki Again’ (OKA), but on conditions that its members would be recruited into the Military/Police, restitution of the group’s vehicles impounded by police, and being allowed to re-open their offices and operation bases." -Standard Media. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050968&cid=4&I guess Kibaki's argument is that he hosted OKA without the knowledge they were in fact Mungiki… although he was briefed of the same fact on or about 28 November 2007. Kumeumana. == Iteere tabled the following names: Warembo na KibakiMartha Wangare Naisiae Karia Beryl Oyier Lydia Martha Vijana na KibakiPatrick Ngatia Joseph Kioko Sakaja Johnstone Job Wamalwa Andrew Wahahiu Thomas Mbewa Jonathan Katiku Kipya Youth InterpartiesYvone Khamati Leon Ndubai James Mathenge Jack Wamboka Gor Semilango PNU Youth AlliancePatrick Kokonya George Nyongesa Ken Orengo Kanu YouthBadi Ali Kamau Mugo Kenya Artists Welfare Association (Kawa)James Munene Nahashon Maina Mary Githinji Godfrey Machira Operation Kibaki Again (OKA)Godwini Kamau Maina Kangethe Anthony Kamau HawkersHosiah Mwangi Amos Kamande Nelson Githaiga Mwende MwinziLeeh Nyachae == Mobimbait would appear that the police deny mungiki presence by confirming their presence Just like Nguyai dealt Uhuru a mighty body blow by happily volunteering information that he was not asked for, the Police Commissioner Iteere has delt Kibaki a mighty body blow by happily volunteering a cooked list purporting it to show the "Youth" who visited State House on that eventful day... JUKWAA I have zeroed in on one Mwende Mwinzi who is listed as a hawker.... is she the Mwende Mwinzi who has been a resident of New York City since Adam and Eve... Who has been penning newspaper articles from her New York base since the days of maziwa ya nyayo? The Kenya Police Commissioner is saying that Mwende Mwinzi was a hawker in December 2007... Just google Mwende Mwinzi to get a glimpse of this "special" hawker, who also happens to be a member of the National Economic and Social Council of Kenya..... Why are people suddenly volunteering information that nobody is asking for now...? Panic attack.... Blabbering, trembling, stuttering, bits and pieces that do not add up = Guilt... |
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Post by patriotism101 on Jan 28, 2012 21:43:10 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000050901&cid=4== Iteere tabled the following names: Warembo na KibakiMartha Wangare Naisiae Karia Beryl Oyier Lydia Martha Vijana na KibakiPatrick Ngatia Joseph Kioko Sakaja Johnstone Job Wamalwa Andrew Wahahiu Thomas Mbewa Jonathan Katiku Kipya Youth InterpartiesYvone Khamati Leon Ndubai James Mathenge Jack Wamboka Gor Semilango PNU Youth AlliancePatrick Kokonya George Nyongesa Ken Orengo Kanu YouthBadi Ali Kamau Mugo Kenya Artists Welfare Association (Kawa)James Munene Nahashon Maina Mary Githinji Godfrey Machira Operation Kibaki Again (OKA)Godwini Kamau Maina Kangethe Anthony Kamau HawkersHosiah Mwangi Amos Kamande Nelson Githaiga Mwende MwinziLeeh Nyachae == Mobimbait would appear that the police deny mungiki presence by confirming their presence Just like Nguyai dealt Uhuru a mighty body blow by happily volunteering information that he was not asked for, the Police Commissioner Iteere has delt Kibaki a mighty body blow by happily volunteering a cooked list purporting it to show the "Youth" who visited State House on that eventful day... JUKWAA I have zeroed in on one Mwende Mwinzi who is listed as a hawker.... is she the Mwende Mwinzi who has been a resident of New York City since Adam and Eve... Who has been penning newspaper articles from her New York base since the days of maziwa ya nyayo? The Kenya Police Commissioner is saying that Mwende Mwinzi was a hawker in December 2007... Just google Mwende Mwinzi to get a glimpse of this "special" hawker, who also happens to be a member of the National Economic and Social Council of Kenya..... Why are people suddenly volunteering information that nobody is asking for now...? Panic attack.... Blabbering, trembling, stuttering, bits and pieces that do not add up = Guilt... ;D This one cracked me up! But who knows, UK's Treasury has been making typos worth billions of Kshs- give it to them- a typo which can be explained away- a hawker in NY indeed! |
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Post by njambaa on Jan 28, 2012 22:59:53 GMT 3
Nobody can speak for all kenyans ...There is no law up to now, apart from character assassination,That says Uhuru or Ruto should not run for the presidency.To avoid that feeling that there is a community that's, being locked out from choosing who they want to vote for....The big 2 must be on the ballot..make it a fair fight..kila mtu atakaye rusha kura ni mtu mzima na hio ni democracy..hapana ogopa debe.
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Post by b6k on Jan 28, 2012 23:22:02 GMT 3
JUKWAA I have zeroed in on one Mwende Mwinzi who is listed as a hawker.... is she the Mwende Mwinzi who has been a resident of New York City since Adam and Eve... Who has been penning newspaper articles from her New York base since the days of maziwa ya nyayo? The Kenya Police Commissioner is saying that Mwende Mwinzi was a hawker in December 2007... Okolowaka, that's a good question? Just like we have heard many a time on Jukwaa that there is more than one Onyango Oloo (several of who support causes OO wouldn't be caught dead backing), isn't it possible there can be more than one Mwende Mwinzi? I know for a fact that the way we Africans name kids identical names within an extended family (just like Arabs incidentally which is a major headache for the GWOT) can lead to a lot of duplication & confusion to an outsider trying to find a specific individual. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 29, 2012 11:20:11 GMT 3
Dead men tell no tales! Incident Report Description Maina Kang’ethe, a suspected Mungiki leader, disappeared on 13/6/08 after he was picked from an unknown location by the anti-Mungiki police squad. Prior to his disappearance, he had expressed fears for his life after suspicious people trailed him severally. His mobile phone has since been switched off. He was still missing at the time of compiling this report on 11/7/08. kenya.ushahidi.com/reports/view/2947Mmmm, Bernard Kimeli, former deputy police commissioner who was retired by the government in 2008, was shot dead [will find out when] in his house and nothing stolen. And then there was Oki Kaunya the former deputy to Mbugua fleeing for his life. You really have to be top of the food chain in crime to execute seniour police officers as you send some running helter-skelter! Just what do these top cops know, that an early grave welcomes them? |
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