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Post by nok on Feb 1, 2012 15:51:52 GMT 3
jukwaa  I like to see things from crazy perspectives. Picture this ! When it comes to investing one is always advised to spread the risks! Do not lay all your eggs in one basket. And so one very shrewed politician did this. I want to speculate that our kati kati son from Ketisuru was a project of one elder called M oh one during the period of 2007/2008. Mzee was spreading his risks so as to further secure his peaceful retirement. Simultaneously the party of the Cockerel was subdued to enter into a coalition with PNU. A fine deal had been made and the rest as we know is history. Then came the events in between and soon five years down the line it's back to square one. Now the links. So the question is ? Who is Mutula fighting for ? Is he really his own Man and or is
there something beneath the surface?Maybe he is Daniel's in extensio Gideon's Bulldog ! I apologize that am just speculating . It's all fiction 
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Post by b6k on Feb 1, 2012 17:27:47 GMT 3
NOK, this old article "Moi Trudges On" by Fred Oluoch from back in December 2003 may shed some light on the "fictional" tale you weave. It seems Moi may have been down when he retired peacefully in January 2003, but he was not out. The article covers the dramatic shift in tone regarding Moi in NARC's first year. Surprisingly, a lot of the support for a "softly softly" approach on all things Moi came from very unexpected quarters; the US & the UK (United Kingdom not Uhuru). There also seemed to have been a race within the NARC government to see who could work with Moi first, the DP crew or LDP... Excerpts: "Both Kanu and government sources interviewed intimated that president Mwai Kibaki came under subtle, but firm pressure during his September tour of the US and UK, to set a precedent where former presidents can be allowed to live peacefully in retirement. With Moi being the first president to hand over power and Kenya having set an example for the continent in terms of peaceful transition, those privy to the reasons behind the dramatic change of NARC leadership towards Moi, revealed that both American and British leaders were eager to see Kenya -which is an important partner in the region-adopt the institutional capacity that protects and respects former leaders. Amidst speculations that the former president was angling close to the NARC leadership to save his skin from the ongoing prosecutions and investigations of economic crimes during his tenure, especially the judicial inquiry into the Goldenberg affair, it is now emerging that the development partners urged the Kibaki government to consider involving Moi in some of the peace initiatives in the region instead of treating him with disdain." So Moi may have erred but his skin was still worth saving, even from the excesses of Goldenberg, in the eyes of the international community. Further on we hear directly from Mutula Kilonzo himself: ""If Moi committed any crime, let him be investigated like any other person rather than relying on the accused people who are trying to save their skin by mentioning his name. I am however happy that the NARC government has realised what I have been saying that we cannot have a successful democracy when succeeding presidents are suspicious of each other," he argued." Interesting, folks. In Kilonzo's eyes a successful democracy is about how power is handed over, no mention of the people of Kenya or their rights. ...& still further on we read about the rocky relationships in NARC thanks to the MOU that was shredded immediately Kibaki held the reins of power: "There is the political reality that the current coalition might not last for long following fierce wrangles over pre- election power sharing arrangement, that could have forced some ruling elite to send an olive branch to the still influential Moi, as a means of sending a warning to their dissatisfied partners, who had earlier contemplated making the same move." Full article here: www.newsfromafrica.org/newsfromafrica/articles/art_2657.htmlIn short, nothing has changed in KE since egos were bruised in '03. The bloodbath that was PEV was but a symptom of the underlying rivalries that are yet to be sorted out. So knowing all this, isn't it plausible that Mutula is actually holding brief for the Moi's. Since, NARA was just a truce to hostilities, the GCG has been as shaky as NARC, Moi was a PEV victim of Ruto's (ODM) "warriors", & Kibaki adopted his Uhuru project, which way will he play his cards? Is Mutula a wolf in new constitution clothing? |
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Post by nok on Feb 1, 2012 17:39:01 GMT 3
b6kAbsolutely brilliant. Thanks for giving this Fairy tale some oxygen. Looking forward to more. While starting the thread I saw your comment and found it funny that you had just commented on something that had been spinning in my gyri. I'll drink a beer on your behalf. You truly are the sixth Killer Bob encountered ;D
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Post by b6k on Feb 1, 2012 17:58:46 GMT 3
b6kAbsolutely brilliant. Thanks for giving this Fairy tale some oxygen. Looking forward to more. While starting the thread I saw your comment and found it funny that you had just commented on something that had been spinning in my gyri. I'll drink a beer on your behalf. You truly are the sixth Killer Bob encountered ;D NOK. I'll drink to that. Kaeni hivyo hivyo. Na hiyo yote, ni maendeleo! |
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Post by nok on Feb 10, 2012 19:11:56 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Feb 10, 2012 19:42:13 GMT 3
A firm message to Mutula not to rock the boat. No wonder Kioni has been itching to have parliament reopened.
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Post by b6k on Feb 10, 2012 21:04:30 GMT 3
@ Nok, The Star's article has more juicy details. Poor Mutula has been pocketing zero shillings for his ministerial & parliamentary duties since March 2010! The fact that he still looks well fed & capable of going about his daily business is proof that whatever he stole from NSSF was a king's ransom. Even the KRA are not normally completely heartless. They'll let you keep a portion of your salary but clearly they know he doesn't need it. Very shocking turn of events & ofcourse he needs to start drafting his own resignation letter. |
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Post by job on Feb 10, 2012 22:48:10 GMT 3
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 11, 2012 0:06:57 GMT 3
@ Nok, The Star's article has more juicy details. Poor Mutula has been pocketing zero shillings for his ministerial & parliamentary duties since March 2010! The fact that he still looks well fed & capable of going about his daily business is proof that whatever he stole from NSSF was a king's ransom. Even the KRA are not normally completely heartless. They'll let you keep a portion of your salary but clearly they know he doesn't need it. Very shocking turn of events & ofcourse he needs to start drafting his own resignation letter.
According to a recent history of Kenya (Hornsby 2011: 647), one NSSF account in the late Moi era had KES 7.3 billion in it—and nobody knew how it had got there, or what to do with it. There was, literally, 7.3 billion just lying there. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 11, 2012 9:01:18 GMT 3
NOK
When I met Raila in Feb 2007, and btw Miguna Miguna was there, we ( kenyans at an Insitution) had a chance a 1 on 1 with RAO to ask him question, and we talked about what happened to Arap Moi, and I remember him telling us, that in the kibaki Cabinet wanted to prosecute Moi, but he advised them not to or he was staunch supporter of Moi to be left alone.
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Post by justfacts on Feb 11, 2012 17:21:57 GMT 3
His tax problem started .......
"When he defended Kanu against the KICC takeover in 2004" when he "upset a lot of people."
Then the matter went silent until he again upset a lot of people by his stance on the prayer folks eligibility to occupy the house on the hill.
Mutula is no Angel but his message resonates with most. The convenient spilling of beans on his tax tribulations to the public does raise public interest given his cabinet post. But the timing betrays the attempt being made to shift public's attention to the tax issue in a clever ploy to mute the most outspoken voice of reason on the Hague matter. Kalonzo having proven incapable of reigning in on him.
Why did KRA or the bean spillers not cry out in 2010. Does it matter that that he is paying up?
Two of the Enkaterina 4 are clutching at straws to save their skin- this is now a matter that is an urgent priority over the bid for presidency which is relegated to a means to that end.
Now he faces threat of a censure motion by spanner boys for Wakubwa who are part of the lot that locked they wealth declaration forms inside the parliament vaults and refused to pay tax. We all know what would happen if he capitulated and shut his mouth. So no public interest here, just personal vendeta.
That said, it is a mystery where the man got this 'selfless' drive to speak out and he should have known the resistance he would come up against in his quest. He made his bed now he has to lay in it.
Should Mutula go as some are wont to suggest? What of the case of attempt at blackmail to shut him up?
As a public we should get our priorities right and not fail to see the bigger picture. The man must pay his dues. If it is true the did not declare his earnings, grave as it is, it pales to potential of having an international crime suspect for a leader --unconstitutionally to boot!
Keep on Mutula--- if you still got the will .........
Because in this case the message is far greater than the messenger.
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 11, 2012 18:48:49 GMT 3
If it is blackmail time, then the political caste, most of them who made it big during the Moi era, may want to remember he who lives in a glass house must not engage in a stone-throwing contest. The vaults of Kenyan ministries and archives are teeming with the details of corrupt deals. Can Mutula go and Saitoti survive?
It is like when the archives of the stassi --former east german secret police-- were opened. Then even West German politicians and high-ranking bareaucrats did not want them disclosed, and I think a law was quickly made to 'regulate the flow of intelligence material'!
Reason: the payroll of the stassi included some of your most trustworthy West German establishment figures.
So I am confident Mutula Kilonzo, having been a Moi confidante, knows nobody in his caste really is about to reveal any heavy stuff. They would all go down. He is merely being warned. Nothing serious.
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2012 23:26:13 GMT 3
Jusfacts, that's precisely the kind of look the other way culture that perpetuates the rot. That's how mama rainbow can claim all she did was give her constituents water, feign illness for a month, disappear abroad for treatment (holiday?) on our dime, & get away with it. We have to get tough on these people.
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Post by b6k on Feb 11, 2012 23:31:52 GMT 3
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Post by justfacts on Feb 12, 2012 10:46:02 GMT 3
B6k,
I am not suggesting Mutula's transgression be forgiven.
Just questioning the timing and intent of the 'revelations'
And the culture of holding dossiers on each other as future tools for blackmail. That is wrong too....
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Post by nok on Feb 14, 2012 16:31:39 GMT 3
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