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Post by foresight on Feb 10, 2012 18:43:42 GMT 3
I have a lot of friends, who are getting excited about Uhuru Kenyatta’s chances of becoming the president of Kenya.
The recent prayer rallies have Kind of given them confidence that he will be president, most are pegging their arguments judging by the crowds, he is exciting ethnic youth and he hopes to build some kind of momentum and gain leverage from sympathy votes.
I on the other hand, am seeing a lot of vague sense of irrational optimism. I’m having trouble figuring out why such bright people many of whom I love and respect are being sucked into a campaign that has no chance of winning.
I frequently tell people that it would be easier to get Martha Karua elected president than it would be to get Uhuru.The simple reason is this; there is just nothing to say about him..
Don’t get angry or emotional think about it for a moment, what would tell people about Uhuru.
Ok if you think am lying, tell me something about him that would make me want him as my president. Convince me! I CHALLENGE YOU.. TELL ME SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE WILL MAKE UHURU BE ELECTED PRESIDENT!
Majority of the people are banking on this KIND OF AN ANSWER “CENTRAL PROVINCE” and “RIFT VALLEY” ethnic mobilization? and at the expense of what?
Uhuru simply does not possess qualities for leadership that is required nationally, he is very ethnic minded, abuses substances and lacks personal discipline, he is a master of “KUCHOCHEA MAMBO and KUGONGA-NISHA WATU”
I can tell you this, with the change Kenya is clamoring, Uhuru LACKS the acumen to spearhead it, in short he has zero transitional leadership skills.
Why Do I say that? Look at his campaigns so far, Would you campaign the way he is campaigning if you knew what conflict resolutions means? What peace means in a nation as volatile as Kenya?
Would still go about bashing leaders that have higher popularity ratings than you, accusing them of masterminding your plight to alienate them from your community?
Would you fail to reconcile the fact that you are vying for a seat that will make you president for a nation not a tribe?
Kenya certainly requires a different approach, especially after the butchery of 2008
Again, it is my conviction and opinion that Uhuru lacks the necessary leadership skills needed for Kenya at this stage and therefore he will not be president! History will not allow him! I recommend”George Saitoti” to Central and Rift valley provinces if they are simply looking for someone to give their votes to or even Martha Karua.
Again those who are underestimating the consequences and the repercussions of ICC are in for a shock. Uhuru and Ruto are yet to experience the backlash of those accusations, right now they could be riding on what they perceive as massive sympathy, the other side of this massive sympathy is massive winds of anger, and as they continue to stroke this dangerous emotion they should pray against the wrath of the masses.
This is not personal it is just an assesment as to the type of people who in all fairness I believe can lead Kenya at this period in time…
ONLY TWO PEOPLE, one is RAILA ODINGA and the other is GEORGE SAITOTI, all the others are better off serving as foot soldiers.[/b]
I hope you realize that I am not trying to dissuade you or anyone from supporting Uhuru or voting for him because I want you to support another candidate instead.
In this article, I am looking at the political realities. I’m basing this on my experience as an analyst.
In summary Uhuru will not be president for the following reasons
Uhuru will not be president because he simply has no policies or priorities. He is not championing the cause of NATION of Kenya or Kenyans but rather his own. He is selfishly dragging his community into his ICC plight and riding on that as a campaign strategy.
If Uhuru ends up being a candidate (which I don’t believe will happen anyway), he will be pummeled with serious social issues and he will not be able to talk to people into agreeing with his LOGIC. That’s why he is busy hammering the NGOS and Foreign governments. Hague said KENYA SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR IMAGE... Uhuru and co have a problem with this!
Another reason why Uhuru will not be president is the MEDIA. The media will struggle to present UHURU as the face of KENYA. A time is coming when he will not get favorable coverage, because the tag CRIME SUSPECT or ACCUSED will follow him for a while. Nothing about him plays into any of the sort of story lines that media like to tell.
Finally Uhuru will not be president because he totally disregards the constitution.
Even if he got past the fact that he is not a NATIONAL leader, and get past the fact he is A SUSPECT for crimes against humanity, then get past the fact that he can maneuver his way around the media, the constitution is a very thorny issue with Kenyans. If he continues to show the UTA DO? Or IKO NINI attitude he is committing political suicide.
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Post by mugabe on Feb 10, 2012 20:22:13 GMT 3
Foresight
I agree there is nothing convincing about UK. I sense a repeat of history if this guy becomes PORK. The new constitution will be mutilated like the independence constitution especially as regards the executive and devolution. Tribalism and nepotism will increase. Kenya will take a huge step back in its democratic consolidation. Wakoli Bifwoli would make a better prezzy than this guy.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 10, 2012 22:09:06 GMT 3
I have a lot of friends, who are getting excited about Uhuru Kenyatta’s chances of becoming the president of Kenya. The recent prayer rallies have Kind of given them confidence that he will be president, most are pegging their arguments judging by the crowds, he is exciting ethnic youth and he hopes to build some kind of momentum and gain leverage from sympathy votes. I on the other hand, am seeing a lot of vague sense of irrational optimism. I’m having trouble figuring out why such bright people many of whom I love and respect are being sucked into a campaign that has no chance of winning. I frequently tell people that it would be easier to get Martha Karua elected president than it would be to get Uhuru. The simple reason is this; there is just nothing to say about him..Don’t get angry or emotional think about it for a moment, what would tell people about Uhuru. Ok if you think am lying, tell me something about him that would make me want him as my president. Convince me! I CHALLENGE YOU.. TELL ME SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE WILL MAKE UHURU BE ELECTED PRESIDENT! Majority of the people are banking on this KIND OF AN ANSWER “CENTRAL PROVINCE” and “RIFT VALLEY” ethnic mobilization? and at the expense of what?Uhuru simply does not possess qualities for leadership that is required nationally, he is very ethnic minded, abuses substances and lacks personal discipline, he is a master of “KUCHOCHEA MAMBO and KUGONGA-NISHA WATU” I can tell you this, with the change Kenya is clamoring, Uhuru LACKS the acumen to spearhead it, in short he has zero transitional leadership skills. Why Do I say that? Look at his campaigns so far, Would you campaign the way he is campaigning if you knew what conflict resolutions means? What peace means in a nation as volatile as Kenya? Would still go about bashing leaders that have higher popularity ratings than you, accusing them of masterminding your plight to alienate them from your community? Would you fail to reconcile the fact that you are vying for a seat that will make you president for a nation not a tribe? Kenya certainly requires a different approach, especially after the butchery of 2008 Again, it is my conviction and opinion that Uhuru lacks the necessary leadership skills needed for Kenya at this stage and therefore he will not be president! History will not allow him! I recommend”George Saitoti” to Central and Rift valley provinces if they are simply looking for someone to give their votes to or even Martha Karua.Again those who are underestimating the consequences and the repercussions of ICC are in for a shock. Uhuru and Ruto are yet to experience the backlash of those accusations, right now they could be riding on what they perceive as massive sympathy, the other side of this massive sympathy is massive winds of anger, and as they continue to stroke this dangerous emotion they should pray against the wrath of the masses. This is not personal it is just an assesment as to the type of people who in all fairness I believe can lead Kenya at this period in time… ONLY TWO PEOPLE, one is RAILA ODINGA and the other is GEORGE SAITOTI, all the others are better off serving as foot soldiers.[/b]
I hope you realize that I am not trying to dissuade you or anyone from supporting Uhuru or voting for him because I want you to support another candidate instead.
In this article, I am looking at the political realities. I’m basing this on my experience as an analyst.
In summary Uhuru will not be president for the following reasons
Uhuru will not be president because he simply has no policies or priorities. He is not championing the cause of NATION of Kenya or Kenyans but rather his own. He is skillfully his dragging his communities sympathy and riding on it as a campaign strategy.
If Uhuru ends up being a candidate (which I don’t believe will happen anyway), he will be pummeled with serious social issues and he will not be able to talk to people into agreeing with his LOGIC. That’s why he is busy hammering the NGOS and Foreign governments. Hague said KENYA SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR IMAGE... Uhuru and co have a problem with this!
Another reason why Uhuru will not be president is the MEDIA. The media will struggle to present UHURU as the face of KENYA. A time is coming when he will not get favorable coverage, because the tag CRIME SUSPECT or ACCUSED will follow him for a while. Nothing about him plays into any of the sort of story lines that media like to tell.
Finally Uhuru will not be president because he totally disregards the constitution.
Even if he got past the fact that he is not a NATIONAL leader, and get past the fact he is A SUSPECT for crimes against humanity, then get past the fact that he can maneuver his way around the media, the constitution is a very thorny issue with Kenyans. If he continues to show the UTA DO? Or IKO NINI attitude he is committing political suicide.
Presumably, you're the propaganda guy—in which case your failure to mention Mungiki is sheer negligence. (Whatever you're being paid, it really ought to be less).
Anyway. You might want to familiarise yourself with the Wikileaks dossier on Uhuru. As they point out, he has recognition, money, brains, charm and youth ( Saitoti signally lacks the last two gifts). What they don't mention is that he has proved adept at working with Rift Valley elites (with the possible exception of Biwott). And he's even interested in reform, as they mention. Pertinent policies are easy to discern from his tenure at the Finance Ministry, and the fact that he's an oligarch.
In fact, there are three obvious reasons not to vote for Uhuru:
(1) It would be a vote for an oligarch in one of the most unequal countries in the world. We really shouldn't be doing this.
(2) It would be the dynastification of politics. We're now in the second generation of the Kenyatta-Odinga feud, now being fought by entirely new troops. Kenya—one hopes—isn't Verona so it would be nice if our politics weren't an African version of Montagues-versus-Capulets.
(3) Post-election violence.
Those three reasons are decisive. For obvious reasons, ODM can't use them—which is why, I take it, you're making stuff up. |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 11, 2012 13:43:09 GMT 3
It is not always the leadership skills that get you elected - it is how you relate with the voter.
Whilst I hold the view that Raila is an incompetent leader, I will be quickly reminded that there were some 4 million voters who would not agree with me if at all their motivation for voting for him was purely due to his leadership acumen.
It is not any different to Kibaki and a similar argument could abound.
We need to take into account things such as emotional votes, tribal votes etc., all which would propel a person to a position of leadership without necessarily meaning that person makes a good leader.
So you can hold such views about Uhuru.......but will they be the reason Kenyans will vote for him?
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Post by paulhomy on Feb 11, 2012 20:38:01 GMT 3
It is not always the leadership skills that get you elected - it is how you relate with the voter. Whilst I hold the view that Raila is an incompetent leader, I will be quickly reminded that there were some 4 million voters who would not agree with me if at all their motivation for voting for him was purely due to his leadership acumen. It is not any different to Kibaki and a similar argument could abound. We need to take into account things such as emotional votes, tribal votes etc., all which would propel a person to a position of leadership without necessarily meaning that person makes a good leader. So you can hold such views about Uhuru.......but will they be the reason Kenyans will vote for him? If I am not wrong the discussion is about Uhuru's pro's and con's and in true Pavlovian fashion you bring raila's name into the discussion and to gain some semblance of a "credibility" you decide Kick kibaki too. You sir are a funny fellow. Back to Uhuru, whom I do think held some credibility before he was anointed by moi but got tainted with the Mungiki fiasco and PEV. Had he eased off the ethnic bandwagon which unfortunately is the vehicle for political aspirations and bid his time to phase out these old heads and inject some fresh blood like moi wanted.It would have been a different dance. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 13, 2012 22:25:06 GMT 3
Foresight,
WHAT do you want to be convinced about, do you have a voting bloc? As a specific questions?
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 13, 2012 23:07:45 GMT 3
I have stated before that we do not always select leaders based on their performance or qualifications./ Often, its a euphoric movement that instals individuals whom we think can best articulate or forward our agendas be they good or evil.
In most cases this happens from an ethnic point of view whereby we end up selecting 'one of our own' to lead the rest of the country.
Uhuru's quest for presidency is not borne out of his need to lead this country, rather, its the ethnic pressure that has been exerted to him from his fellow clanmates. HE was not necessarily cut out as a good leader but then you cannot blame him as he is merely respecting the will of 'his people'.
The house of Mumbi has enjoyed tremendously over the last ten years and its their hope even if it may be impossible for the status quo to remain as per now.
As such, Uhuru's credentials may not matter here. So don't judge him. Politics is about numbers. Whoever who has many wins!
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Post by b6k on Feb 13, 2012 23:30:13 GMT 3
Back to Uhuru, whom I do think held some credibility before he was anointed by moi but got tainted with the Mungiki fiasco and PEV. Had he eased off the ethnic bandwagon which unfortunately is the vehicle for political aspirations and bid his time to phase out these old heads and inject some fresh blood like moi wanted.It would have been a different dance. Dypes I beg to differ. Uhuru did do KE a good turn by conceding the '02 elections when Moi hawks were chomping at the bit to find some wiggle room out of a handover. He saved KE then when he was the project, only to burn it later. Fast-forward to '07 in a bid to recreate his '02 concession, Uhuru abdicated his constitutional duty as head of the opposition to pander to ethnic concerns. In my view this was his primary mistake because everything else that happened subsequently stems from that tragic error in judgement. Where PEV (looking at it as a spontaneous reaction to the results & not factoring in land or other historic wrongs in RVP) is concerned there are two prime suspects who, coincidentally enough, both abandoned ODM at the 11th hour. Uhuru provided the means by siding with Kibaki prior to elections whilst Kalonzo Musyoka provided the alibi by denying crucial votes to ODM. Had these two fellows not changed horses midstream as it were there wouldn't have been any way in the world the elections could've been stolen. |
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Post by foresight on Feb 14, 2012 3:57:22 GMT 3
Mugabe said "Tribalism and nepotism will increase. Kenya will take a huge step back in its democratic consolidation"
Thats a scary future, but its the reality of the matter and also the whole truth.
Daniel
“A pig fries [itself] in its own fat” is a direct translation from a Swahili proverb. The essence is akin to tripping yourself and jeopardizing your chances of due to lack of tact.
So Uhuru will not be president because “anajikaranga na mafuta yake”
I did not mention Mungiki, so open your mind to possibility thinking, seeing beyond the obvious.
I will ignore your deliberate comments designed to draw me into a endless protracted debate.
I am tickled that you actually referred me to wikileaks as your source and resource- and that you dug out dossier that supports Uhuru presidency there.
And you pointed out that from the leaking “leaks” you “reliably” learnt that he has recognition, money, brains, charm and youth. are you saying that, that be the basis upon which Kenyans should vote for him? I don’t think so !!
Charm is a sense of appeal and youth is a passing stage in the natural cycle of life. Should Kenyans elect Uhuru as president for such silly reasons?
Then you said that what the leaking leaks “don't mention that he has proved adept at working with Rift Valley elites (with the possible exception of Biwott) again my question is, how will this help Uhuru get my vote, and honestly I don’t see this as a truth anyway.
And then you very unconvincingly added “And he's even interested in reform” that statement gave you away… it was an afterthought the words of your mouth refused to agree with the meditations of your heart…
You failed the lie detector test!
How can you say that “Pertinent policies are easy to discern from his tenure at the Finance Ministry yet we all know how he flopped in many of the major financial audit reports? In the end you only proved that indeed Uhuru is NOT Marketable!
Your three obvious reasons not to vote for Uhuru as far as am concerned are not pertinent issues as long as the oligarch is competent and able to lead KENYA not just and not just Kikuyus.
Ofcourse I MADE THE STUFF UP.... please think! think out of the box
Kamale
The four reasons I gave about Uhuru will be the very reason that will stop him from being president of Kenya.
I mentioned policies and priorities and ethnicity, then I mentioned the Media, ICC and then the constitution.
You have correctly stated that “It is not always the leadership skills that get you elected - it is how you relate with the voter”
Watch carefully, as days drag, what you have stated will test Uhurus political career, he will fail the lie detector test like Daniel did, Why? because of the reasons I have given above..
I agree that “We need to take into account things such as emotional votes, tribal votes etc., all which would propel a person to a position of leadership without necessarily meaning that person makes a good leader…
Ok what am saying is this a backlash is coming that will expose Uhuru for what he is and the emotional votes from the Kalenjin will vanish!
Kamale are you not listening to CENTRAL PROVINCE begging and insisting that Uhuru and Ruto must be locked in one room so as not to go in different directions?
WHY? It is because of fear, if Ruto loses grip of the kale electorate, Uhuru will be left clutching on straws, he will be cooked! And that will happen.. Shortly things will fall apart!
Dypes
I agree with your statement that Uhuru, held some credibility at a certain period but selfishness, haste, greed and chest thumping messed him up.
Joblesscorner
this “convince me” also includes you.., ama you are convinced? Are you going to vote for the oligarch? Yes I do have a voting bloc.
Subsahanite
“Uhuru's quest for presidency is not borne out of his need to lead this country, rather, its the ethnic pressure that has been exerted to him from his fellow clanmates. HE was not necessarily cut out as a good leader but then you cannot blame him as he is merely respecting the will of 'his people”
The above statement is so so true! That’s why he is a failed project! When politicians use fear mongering, scapegoating, and divisive ethnic rhetoric to mobilize supporters, they can increase fear and tension between groups, heightening the risk of violence in a nation
The projects original chief aim was to deliver patronage goods to a selected few.
I am well aware that LEADERSHIP SKILLS MAY NOT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS. Factors that you mentioned and others have mentioned come into play. I have given three or four reasons that I think will judge Uhuru.
All of us so far agree that Uhuru is not a leader, all of us agree that because of certain demographics he could be elected, but I AM SAYING HE WONT- based on those very factors people seem to think will work on his favour.
B6K
“Uhuru abdicated his constitutional duty as head of the opposition to pander to ethnic concerns. In my view this was his primary mistake because everything else that happened subsequently stems from that tragic error in judgement’
Powerful! I couldn’t have phrased it better…. cant add anything to that!
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Post by kamalet on Feb 14, 2012 12:19:08 GMT 3
Kamale The four reasons I gave about Uhuru will be the very reason that will stop him from being president of Kenya. I mentioned policies and priorities and ethnicity, then I mentioned the Media, ICC and then the constitution. You have correctly stated that “It is not always the leadership skills that get you elected - it is how you relate with the voter” Watch carefully, as days drag, what you have stated will test Uhurus political career, he will fail the lie detector test like Daniel did, Why? because of the reasons I have given above..I agree that “We need to take into account things such as emotional votes, tribal votes etc., all which would propel a person to a position of leadership without necessarily meaning that person makes a good leader… Ok what am saying is this a backlash is coming that will expose Uhuru for what he is and the emotional votes from the Kalenjin will vanish! Kamale are you not listening to CENTRAL PROVINCE begging and insisting that Uhuru and Ruto must be locked in one room so as not to go in different directions? WHY? It is because of fear, if Ruto loses grip of the kale electorate, Uhuru will be left clutching on straws, he will be cooked! And that will happen.. Shortly things will fall apart! As for the political strategies of Ruto or Uhuru, they are not what will make them good or bad leaders. They are just that - strategies to allow them win the elections! Uhuru will easily fail a lie detector test as will EVERY other politician. No one is a saint so let me knot convince you! You will have to understand the motivation of the Kenyan voter to see that a lot more makes them vote the way they do! |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 14, 2012 15:55:58 GMT 3
“A pig fries [itself] in its own fat” is a direct translation from a Swahili proverb. The essence is akin to tripping yourself and jeopardizing your chances of due to lack of tact.
The translation is imprecise, to say the least, since your rendering here implies that the pig is doing the frying, whereas the Swahili saying leaves open the identity of the agent. (A pig fries itself in its own fat versus a pig is fried in its own fat.) I suspect you have a weird thing going with the transitivity of the relevant verb—yours is perhaps more of a calque than a translation, taking hujikaanga to indicate the agent—but, wotever.
So Uhuru will not be president because “anajikaranga na mafuta yake”
I'd like to have dancing girls wait on me hand and foot, feeding me top-class red wine and steak every day. Not going to happen. I've resigned myself to its not happening, because I can distinguish what I would like to be the case from what actually is, or is likely to be, the case. You might want to apply the lesson in a nearby instance.
I did not mention Mungiki, so open your mind to possibility thinking, seeing beyond the obvious.
This is because you're an incompetent propagandist. Attend, for example, to Job's efforts: he squeezes in the boss and muthamaki at every possible opportunity. This is an election year. Your main piece of negative campaigning against Uhuru—best epitomised by the amusing blog on Jaluo.org which claimed that he was Hitler, on the evidence of an interview with Julie Gichuru—is that he's a violent Gikuyu tribalist. In your capacity as propagandist, one would expect you consistently to keep that message going. You haven't managed. Whatever they're paying you, it's too much.
I am tickled that you actually referred me to wikileaks as your source and resource- and that you dug out dossier that supports Uhuru presidency there.
It actually gives a cogent piece of reasoning against an Uhuru presidency; it has, also, the merit of being a relatively honest and impartial assessment of his strengths—the contrast with your effort could not be sharper.
And you pointed out that from the leaking “leaks” you “reliably” learnt that he has recognition, money, brains, charm and youth. are you saying that, that be the basis upon which Kenyans should vote for him? I don’t think so !!
Allow me to introduce you to the is-ought distinction. Noticing that he has quantities which make it reasonably likely that he will win is quite distinct from claiming that he ought to win. And, indeed, I gave reasons why he ought not to win.
Charm is a sense of appeal and youth is a passing stage in the natural cycle of life. Should Kenyans elect Uhuru as president for such silly reasons?
Oh no. They ought not to elect on the basis of charm. But (i) they do, which speaks to your descriptive question and (ii) that he has this property makes life difficult for you, since you asked—rhetorically, one assumes—what reasons there were for thinking that Uhuru would win. (I assume the question was rhetorical, since you went on to say that there was nothing to say about him. The inconsistency in asserting that there was nothing to be said about him while writing a post about his prospects appears to have passed you by. But there we are.)
Then you said that what the leaking leaks “don't mention that he has proved adept at working with Rift Valley elites (with the possible exception of Biwott) again my question is, how will this help Uhuru get my vote, and honestly I don’t see this as a truth anyway.
This makes life difficult for your claim that he's a violent Gikuyu tribalist—which, as it happens, is your main negative argument.
You failed the lie detector test!
Not really. But thanks for the quasi-Bible quote.
How can you say that “Pertinent policies are easy to discern from his tenure at the Finance Ministry yet we all know how he flopped in many of the major financial audit reports? In the end you only proved that indeed Uhuru is NOT Marketable!
(1) Let me ask you to return to your party's contentions during the arguments over the finance bill. It was argued then, by ODMers, that his actions showed a preference for a more centralised, more IFI-friendly fiscal policy than was the norm. That may or may not be so. For our purposes, it shows that ODMers were willing to draw policy conclusions from his tenure at the MoF. You cannot, therefore, complain when others do the same without giving up your earlier claims.
(2) This point also speaks to a persistent failure of ODM's political analysis.* Almost all of it is conducted in the paranoid mode: witness Job. For a party whose main selling point is ethnic hatred, this isn't unusual. The problem however, is that what institutions do when they're functioning normally is just as vital as what they do when they're not. So, as here, ODMers think that the substance of the politics is got at by looking at what happens when MoF goes wrong. It's, of course, far more important to look at what's happening when the institution is working as it should.
Your three obvious reasons not to vote for Uhuru as far as am concerned are not pertinent issues as long as the oligarch is competent and able to lead KENYA not just and not just Kikuyus.
I think you'll find that post-election violence pertains—one would certainly think so, were one to attend to ODM's comments regarding Uhuru and Ruto's troubles.
As, of course, does oligarchy: NARC's health bill was defeated by a coalition of employers. Elect Uhuru, and you can wave goodbye to anything of the sort for another decade, at least. You can also expect debt to grow: if you're rich (or own a bank) borrowing, rather than taxes on wealth, is generally preferable. Frankly, Kenya urgently needs to tax capital and property—we need to see taxes on rental income, on capital gains, and on matatus, for example—and you can be sure that Uhuru is not going to do that. (This is so uncontroversial as a piece of policy, that even BusinessDaily has come out in favour. But then again, BD were among the first to point out that Kenya had lost billions of shillings from untaxed changes in corporate control.) It's interesting to note that here, we're behind even Uganda, which is simply not afraid to go after multinationals.
Ofcourse I MADE THE STUFF UP.... please think! think out of the box
I never doubted it.
[/li][li] Almost as amusing as the fact that ODM—the self-proclaimed progressive party—organised the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of large chunks of the urban poor. I'm struggling to think of any other progressive party that has arranged the mass murder and eviction of (what one would assume to be) one of its core constituencies. [/font] |
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Post by okolowaka on Feb 14, 2012 16:37:49 GMT 3
...I can see that Uhuru has two potential votes from JUKWAA, no not you foresight, and mine is ODM all the way... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by phil on Feb 14, 2012 17:18:13 GMT 3
Wil Uhuru honour this invitation? KIKUYUSFORCHANGE PARTNERS WITH CSO NETWORK, NYANZA
A Press Statement from the ‘KikuyusforChange’ Initiative (under Change Associates)
14TH FEBRUARY 2012, 4.00 PM
Kikuyusforchange has launched an initiative called 'Engaging Ethno-Centric Prejudice'. This is a national initiative that partners national leaders with regions where divisive stereotypes about them exist, that could stand in the way of national integration.
This programme started with town-hall meetings between the Rt. Hon Raila Odinga and Opinion Leaders from Central Kenya region, where members of the Kikuyu community will engage him on stereotypes that exist about him. These forums were launched on 6th February 2012, in Nairobi, and several other forums will be held in the coming months in Kiambu, Nyeri, Muranga, Nyandarua & Kirinyaga Counties. In these forums the Prime Minister will engage & interact with at least 100 local opinion leaders in each county.
KikuyusforChange has now partnered with CSO Network, an organization that brings together several Civil Society Organizations in the former Nyanza and Western provinces, and that is based in Kisumu, to organize a similar forum for the Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, with members of the Luo Community. In these forums the Deputy Prime Minister will be invited to engage and interact with opinion leaders from this community, on stereotypes and myths held about him by the Luo.
An invitation to that effect has been sent to the Deputy Prime Minister’s Office, and it is our belief that as a Presidential Candidate he will not decline such an invitation.
Signed By:
Ngunjiri Wambugu
Executive Director, (0724 958 331)
Change Associates Trust (Hosts of the Kikuyusforchange Initiative)
Signed By:
Steve Omondi
CSO Network, Programme Manager |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 14, 2012 20:31:37 GMT 3
Wil Uhuru honour this invitation?
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Post by einstein on Feb 14, 2012 20:52:35 GMT 3
Wil Uhuru honour this invitation?
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 14, 2012 20:59:15 GMT 3
Issuing it via a press statement was a bad idea.
I said it was a bad idea, not that I did not know of it. Are you sure a serif font—and Times New Roman, plagiarised monstrosity no less—is best for online typography? |
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Post by einstein on Feb 14, 2012 21:15:40 GMT 3
But I thought you were a member of K4C. How could the press statement been have made without even your slight knowledge?
I said it was a bad idea, not that I did not know of it. Are you sure a serif font—and Times New Roman, plagiarised monstrosity no less—is best for online typography?
If you knew about the press statement, why did you not advise your colleagues against it? |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 14, 2012 21:28:50 GMT 3
I said it was a bad idea, not that I did not know of it. Are you sure a serif font—and Times New Roman, plagiarised monstrosity no less—is best for online typography?
If you knew about the press statement, why did you not advise your colleagues against it?
Have you ever belonged to an organisation whose decisions don't always conform to your preferences? (It's surprisingly easy.) And, again, why Times? Even Minion is better. |
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Post by phil on Feb 14, 2012 22:28:54 GMT 3
Wil Uhuru honour this invitation?
@dw, obviously this was not done through the press. I also do not see what qualms a person angling to be Kenya's president would have being invited to such a function via the press. Unless you are confirming something else here, Uhuru ought to jump at such an opportunity. Strange that he is not and even stranger that @dw here is suggesting that Uhuru may not actually honour this invitation. |
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 15, 2012 5:06:04 GMT 3
Phil, Does UHURU still have an office? Well according to today's nation, he hasnt been at his treasury Offices.. "Mr Kenyatta’s aides declined to be drawn into discussing his absence, but confirmed that he had not been to the Finance ministry since he stepped down as minister" www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhurus+role+on+the+spot+as+he+skips+Cabinet+talks+/-/1064/1327748/-/9c2jt3z/-/index.htmlIssuing it via a press statement was a bad idea.
@dw, obviously this was not done through the press. I also do not see what qualms a person angling to be Kenya's president would have being invited to such a function via the press. Unless you are confirming something else here, Uhuru ought to jump at such an opportunity. Strange that he is not and even stranger that @dw here is suggesting that Uhuru may not actually honour this invitation. |
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Post by phil on Feb 16, 2012 10:39:05 GMT 3
All members of parliament are allocated private offices at the adjacent Continental House. As a senior member of cabinet and also as deputy prime minister, Uhuru, along with PM, VP, Chief Whips all have private offices within the precincts of parliament. They also have staff seconded to them by the National Assembly. But this is neither here nor there. Uhuru will just be confirming what we all along have known about him if and when he declines the invitation by K4C. We are waiting. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 17, 2012 20:31:11 GMT 3
This excerpt and link is also found on the I AM NOT A TURNCOAT THREAD ON KALONZO MUSYOKA, posted by Job. the star Uhuru vows to prove his innocence at ICC MONDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 2012 13:01 BY NJENGA GICHEHA Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta has vowed to put mechanisms in place to defend himself at the International Criminal Court, cautioned whites against meddling with Kenyan affairs. Uhuru said he was ready to comply with the law and that he and Eldoret North MP William Ruto are not agents of impunity as portrayed by The Hague charges. He accused foreigners of interfering with the affairs of Kenyans, adding that the country can do well without their funds and contributions. Uhuru was speaking during a prayer meeting held at Ngong Stadium in Kajiado North constituency on Saturday. The meeting was attended by MPs from Rift Valley, Western, Nyanza, Coast and Central provinces. “I will defend myself because even after we were confirmed, I complied and followed the law. There was no violence and we are still upholding and preaching peace in these prayer rallies that we are doing across the country,” said Uhuru. “I was told that I am a leader promoting impunity. If I was, could I have gone to the ICC? We could have said no. It’s being said that we led the 2007 war but we are leaders who have always accepted defeat whenever others win,” he said. The DPM blamed foreign countries for promoting impunity in Kenya saying that he only vied for the presidency in year 2002, but accepted defeat to President Kibaki. He defended himself saying that in 2007, he was not a presidential candidate but only vied for parliamentary seat for Gatundu South and he was not answerable for the chaos. Uhuru said, “the foreign countries are saying that they fight impunity but they are blaming it on us. In 2002, I vied for presidency together with President Mwai Kibaki and I accepted defeat and during referendum, Ruto accepted defeat. In 2007 I was not vying but only for a parliamentary seat,” said Uhuru. “Later, they said that we have a case to answer and when my name appeared, I followed the law and said we did not need any more fights and we went to answer the charges. We are ready even after we appeal to continue with the case.” “ We are telling the whites to live with their monies. The razor blade that chopped him off during the independence days will do the same this time. If we join hands, we do not have to borrow money from them,” said Uhuru. In reference to foreigners the DPM said “they should only come do tourism and business, but respect the people of Kenya, They will not intimidate us but shall go forth". Ruto said they are not supposed to be in The Hague trial but Kibaki, Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka are answerable to the chaos charges. "Kibaki, Kalonzo and Raila are the three people who know much than we do because I and Uhuru did not participate in the presidency race. They are the ones who should be charged," said Ruto. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6583&page=1#ixzz1meyvp6LbThis nationalistic rhetoric gives me an opportunity to delve into a diatribe against a specific form of intellectual in Kenyan politics (and high office): the professor. I am informed Professor Wanjohi has just taken residence in UK's political think-tank. This is the professor of the pre-rigging seminar at GSU headquarters in 2007. And I am intimating this vehement denounciation of 'whites and foreigners' who meddle in Kenya's internal affairs, is his work. His first pitch in the arena of propaganda for UK, to show he can earn his keep! Oh My God! Uhuru Kenyatta, a baby spoon-fed by whites on everything! denouncing white people? Only yesterday white people were holding his hands, writing finance bills for him to present to parliament as finance minister! And that paper he wrote at Amherst college or wherever? And how many humiliating begging missions has professor Ndung'u undertaken on his behalf to negotiate IMF loans for... not exactly the kenya shilling. And his boss Raila is just finished begging the dutch to rescind their ban on miraa on behalf of the treasury! Not to mention the whiteman being the eyes and ears of the Kenyan army in Somalia!We are telling whites to live with their monies... the razor-blade which....Stupidity is not a sin, but when you make it policy, it is a disaster. At this point the IMF is just shoaring up the shilling with a loan of 350M, negotiations for more in the pipeline. If UK can come up with an immidiate alternative, to walk the talk, even theoritically abit, that would be a thought. If UK means business, autarky, the state of no credit, it is a thought. Or, if he means the New kids on the block, China and India and other BRICs, can easily pick up the credit bill, he could in his tenure as finance minister have ventured this tough, isolationist, middle-finger-at-the -West line of economic thinking. He did not, neither do I think UK could ever have the aptitude face down even Yoweri Museveni, leave alone .... Perhaps Wanjohi reckons this is only for home consumption, alas, given the judges at the Hague are.. white, this racial animosity may have a prejudicial inclination. Informing of the hateful nature of this man UK. Ach, his star defence team of QCs is all Kenyan black!So I have seen them professors in Kenya become intellectually challenged in office. Githu [-AG], Ndung'u [-CBK], Ongeri and Olweny [-education], Nyong'o [ -health], Wanjohi [Comptroller Sate House], and last but not least, George Saitoti; the biggest laughing stock of them all. Moi knew him a dog and treated him thus, professor kimya! Endowed with the best brains of his generation, majoring in the most difficult discipline of them all, mathematics, able to understand all ecomic models with ease and detect their limits in a particular situation, Saitoti reached the most decisive office in policy by which he could have changed Kenya, Finance. And what did George the cleverest of thema all do? ---I will paraphrase Ngugi wa Thiong'o in one of his essays: the cleverest boy of our village, the genius we put our hopes on, our future god, became a village chicken thief!
That is how I view Saitoti, a village chicken thief!I am sure he does not take himself serioulsy, running for president. Si I have had it with professors in high office in public service, I will try the title doctor, not necessarily medical, and Mr! It is a thought! |
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Post by nok on Feb 17, 2012 20:45:42 GMT 3
This excerpt and link is also found on the I AM NOT A TURNCOAT THREAD ON KALONZO MUSYOKA, posted by Job. the star Uhuru vows to prove his innocence at ICC MONDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 2012 13:01 BY NJENGA GICHEHA Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta has vowed to put mechanisms in place to defend himself at the International Criminal Court, cautioned whites against meddling with Kenyan affairs. Uhuru said he was ready to comply with the law and that he and Eldoret North MP William Ruto are not agents of impunity as portrayed by The Hague charges. He accused foreigners of interfering with the affairs of Kenyans, adding that the country can do well without their funds and contributions. Uhuru was speaking during a prayer meeting held at Ngong Stadium in Kajiado North constituency on Saturday. The meeting was attended by MPs from Rift Valley, Western, Nyanza, Coast and Central provinces. “I will defend myself because even after we were confirmed, I complied and followed the law. There was no violence and we are still upholding and preaching peace in these prayer rallies that we are doing across the country,” said Uhuru. “I was told that I am a leader promoting impunity. If I was, could I have gone to the ICC? We could have said no. It’s being said that we led the 2007 war but we are leaders who have always accepted defeat whenever others win,” he said. The DPM blamed foreign countries for promoting impunity in Kenya saying that he only vied for the presidency in year 2002, but accepted defeat to President Kibaki. He defended himself saying that in 2007, he was not a presidential candidate but only vied for parliamentary seat for Gatundu South and he was not answerable for the chaos. Uhuru said, “the foreign countries are saying that they fight impunity but they are blaming it on us. In 2002, I vied for presidency together with President Mwai Kibaki and I accepted defeat and during referendum, Ruto accepted defeat. In 2007 I was not vying but only for a parliamentary seat,” said Uhuru. “Later, they said that we have a case to answer and when my name appeared, I followed the law and said we did not need any more fights and we went to answer the charges. We are ready even after we appeal to continue with the case.” “ We are telling the whites to live with their monies. The razor blade that chopped him off during the independence days will do the same this time. If we join hands, we do not have to borrow money from them,” said Uhuru. In reference to foreigners the DPM said “they should only come do tourism and business, but respect the people of Kenya, They will not intimidate us but shall go forth". Ruto said they are not supposed to be in The Hague trial but Kibaki, Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka are answerable to the chaos charges. "Kibaki, Kalonzo and Raila are the three people who know much than we do because I and Uhuru did not participate in the presidency race. They are the ones who should be charged," said Ruto. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6583&page=1#ixzz1meyvp6LbThis nationalistic rhetoric gives me an opportunity to delve into a diatribe against a specific form of intellectual in Kenyan politics (and high office): the professor. I am informed Professor Wanjohi has just taken residence in UK's political think-tank. This is the professor of the pre-rigging seminar at GSU headquarters in 2007. And I am intimating this vehement denounciation of 'whites and foreigners' who meddle in Kenya's internal affairs, is his work. His first pitch in the arena of propaganda for UK, to show he can earn his keep! Oh My God! Uhuru Kenyatta, a baby spoon-fed by whites on everything! denouncing white people? Only yesterday white people were holding his hands, writing finance bills for him to present to parliament as finance minister! And that paper he wrote at Amherst college or wherever? And how many humiliating begging missions has professor Ndung'u undertaken on his behalf to negotiate IMF loans for... not exactly the kenya shilling. And his boss Raila is just finished begging the dutch to rescind their ban on miraa on behalf of the treasury! Not to mention the whiteman being the eyes and ears of the Kenyan army in Somalia!We are telling whites to live with their monies... the razor-blade which....Stupidity is not a sin, but when you make it policy, it is a disaster. At this point the IMF is just shoaring up the shilling with a loan of 350M, negotiations for more in the pipeline. If UK can come up with an immidiate alternative, to walk the talk, even theoritically abit, that would be a thought. If UK means business, autarky, the state of no credit, it is a thought. Or, if he means the New kids on the block, China and India and other BRICs, can easily pick up the credit bill, he could in his tenure as finance minister have ventured this tough, isolationist, middle-finger-at-the -West line of economic thinking. He did not, neither do I think UK could ever have the aptitude face down even Yoweri Museveni, leave alone .... Perhaps Wanjohi reckons this is only for home consumption, alas, given the judges at the Hague are.. white, this racial animosity may have a prejudicial inclination. Informing of the hateful nature of this man UK. Ach, his star defence team of QCs is all Kenyan black!So I have seen them professors in Kenya become intellectually challenged in office. Githu [-AG], Ndung'u [-CBK], Ongeri and Olweny [-education], Nyong'o [ -health], Wanjohi [Comptroller Sate House], and last but not least, George Saitoti; the biggest laughing stock of them all. Moi knew him a dog and treated him thus, professor kimya! Endowed with the best brains of his generation, majoring in the most difficult discipline of them all, mathematics, able to understand all ecomic models with ease and detect their limits in a particular situation, Saitoti reached the most decisive office in policy by which he could have changed Kenya, Finance. And what did George the cleverest of thema all do? ---I will paraphrase Ngugi wa Thiong'o in one of his essays: the cleverest boy of our village, the genius we put our hopes on, our future god, became a village chicken thief!
That is how I view Saitoti, a village chicken thief!I am sure he does not take himself serioulsy, running for president. Si I have had it with professors in high office in public service, I will try the title doctor, not necessarily medical, and Mr! It is a thought! Thumbs up. Absolutely to the point. |
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Post by tnk on Feb 17, 2012 20:56:13 GMT 3
jakaswanga
you forget to mention that uhuru's defence team relies entirely on the sterling ability of his two leading QC defense team who are .......
i wonder if thats what he means by meddling ....
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 18, 2012 11:17:43 GMT 3
jakaswanga you forget to mention that uhuru's defence team relies entirely on the sterling ability of his two leading QC defense team who are ....... i wonder if thats what he means by meddling .... , I kind of covered it with obtuse sarcasm. If you peruse again you will find the line below! Ach, his star defence team of QCs is all Kenyan black! |
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