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Post by stibin on Feb 28, 2012 10:25:57 GMT 3
As we continue clobbering MM, let’s also ponder the likelihood of the controversial book having credible evidence of Raila’s transgressions. Of course it’s quite improbable that Miguna being the experienced lawyer he is can concoct stories from nowhere just to settle scores with his former boss. Obviously he must know he can’t get away with it. Moreover one would be daft to completely rule out fire where there are clear signs of smoke.
And if this so for one Raila who often claims to be as ‘clean as cotton’ I can regrettably hypothesis that no single Kenyan politician can pass integrity test.
Finally, I wish to express my strong disapproval of the perceived or imagined censorship on MM’s book- a vice which should have been buried with Moi’s autocracy.
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Post by destiny on Feb 28, 2012 10:59:09 GMT 3
I have carefully read this topic and don't understand why ODM die hards are in such a rage with their slash and burn analysis. I doubt many of these Railamaniacs are getting some sleep at night. Great! Looks like Miguna got them under his feet- exactly what he wanted. Revenge can be sweet especially when it comes in small bite sizes. Keep dishing it out Big Mig. Still what is all this anger and rage about? A. That Big Mig has written a book deemed devastating to Raila? B. That the "volcanic" book will come out before elections- mpende msipende? C. That the book is being published by an extremist? D. That Miguna (who Railamaniacs hate anyway) has freedom to associate ("go to bed") with whoever he chooses? E. That some people can't get over the fact that Miguna and Raila's relationship is over? F. That some people would really like to know exactly what contains in that book but have to wait a few more months? H. That the haters are completely powerless to act except shout themselves hoarse? What is all this fit of rage about? honestly......... sielewi!
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 28, 2012 11:04:21 GMT 3
Of course it’s quite improbable that Miguna being the experienced lawyer he is can concoct stories from nowhere just to settle scores with his former boss. I think you are naive with your suppositions about 'experienced lawyers'. History, in general, teaches us better. But more importantly, Miguna's own history with the law suggests you couldn't be more wrong.
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 28, 2012 11:08:13 GMT 3
honestly......... sielewi! I agree with you on this. Not everybody can understand everything. By the way, why do some people think that everybody who opposes Miguna's style is an 'ODM die-hard'? Don't bother - I know why.
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 28, 2012 11:30:41 GMT 3
Mr. Kamale, Unlike you, I have read Mr. Corsi, so i know and can articulate his hatred for Africans in general. Yes, we are talking about Miguna's book (which we have not seen yet), but more specifically his choice of publisher. That is how I read the title. And I am only characterising Miguna's publisher. Please note that even Miguna does not contest this point: he only claims he is justified because he is like Wangari Maathai, Frantz Fanon etc Jerome Corsi is a well know racist. Corsi can write all he wants and be the worse racist. But answer me this - is he writing Miguna's book? NO. All I know is that Miguna wrote his own book and all that Corsi will do is publish the book! Did you see the difference? Mr. Kamale; Now I understand your confusion. You seem to think publishing is simply printing material. Not really. There is a lot more than that. It has evolved quite. There is marketing, financing editing etc. More importantly, the publishing house says a lot about the quality, ideological bent and intentions of publications. Some publishers only produce educational works, some are leftist, others extreme right, some liberal, others progressive. For instance, Fahamu Books who produce Pambazuka Newsletter publish on human rights, social development etc... they would have rejected Miguna's book. And yes, some publishers thrive on gossip, conspiracy theories, mudslinging, hate and racism. Where you publish your work matters. Miguna's book has been accepted by Jerome Corsi because it fits into the broader ideological positioning of WND.
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Post by stibin on Feb 28, 2012 12:22:21 GMT 3
Dedan, This statement can either be true or false? " Miguna's book has been accepted by Jerome Corsi because it fits into the broader ideological positioning of WND."
i suggest you insert the words ' I guess' before it to complete its meaning.
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Post by kasuku on Feb 28, 2012 13:34:29 GMT 3
My take First of all, I have being searching for evidence that Mr. Corsi is a racist; well, from what I read, I wouldn’t say he is more racist than Billions of other people world-wide…maybe with the only difference being that, he speaks it out and others hide it like a knife behind their back when smiling to your face (Here in Jukwaa I have read some racism too and nobody except the Admn threw tantrum about it).
Secondly, I see Mr. corsi’s interest in Publishing the book (Apart from financial gain of course) not so unusual as he is doing what he does best in earning his bread. And maybe he blames Raila for his deportation from Kenya and has a personal reason and last but not least of his motives, the book may provide him with the stuff to cook up another theory to try to damage Obamas Reputation - USA is going to election too this year and as I have read on Mr. Corsi, according to him, nobody is a perfect Presidential candidate except Himself.
That said about Mr. Corsi I don’t understand why Miguna is being criticized for having his book be published by Mr. Corsi. The contents of the book will remain Migunas. It is only Miguna who should be worried about who publishes his book and not anyone else, for it is his reputation that is in play and will give the book credit or not.
Now, if this had nothing to do with publishing a book, but had to do with Miguna being buddies with a self-reclaimed racist, then I would understand the anger thrown at him, after he (Miguna) has shown moral support against racism.
I have always being blindly Railas Fan; but just like many Kenyans we don’t really know anything about our politicians. Everybody should be happy to get to hear from an insider who Raila as a president is.
Miguna knows Raila very well. He LOVES that man so much that he had given himself fully to him in order to make sure that he becomes president. So now, guys, your worries that Raila might turn out to be a devil in the Miguna book when, he is such a lovable man doesn’t make sense.
Poeni, na let’s wait for that much self-advertised book to be published, thats all what counts...for me.
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Post by quitepotato on Feb 28, 2012 13:56:01 GMT 3
Psalms 109:9-15:
Let his children be fatherless And his wife a widow.
Let his children wander about and beg; And let them seek sustenance far from their ruined homes.
Let the creditor seize all that he has, And let strangers plunder the product of his labor.
Let there be none to extend lovingkindness to him, Nor any to be gracious to his fatherless children.
Let his posterity be cut off; In a following generation let their name be blotted out.
Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD, And do not let the sin of his mother be blotted out.
Let them be before the LORD continually, That He may cut off their memory from the earth;
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Post by hannali on Feb 28, 2012 15:46:59 GMT 3
People please stop hating on Miguna, he has the right to do what he thinks is the correct political retribution to Raila whom we know is actually a political con man
Ask former MP Gilbert Ochieng Mbeo, James Orengo ,Anyang Nyo'go amongst others how Raila arm twisted them. Even now they are scared and extremely frightened of this man.
Miguna is breathing fresh air and giving us better insight to who Raila is from the perspective of an insider, The Raila you might have never gotten to know until he became president.
The rabid attack hounds unleashing their overzealous fanatical agrressive Blietzkrieg on Miguna will not stop him from doing what is right and they should frankly check the background of this man Raila first before they carry out their dirty deed of involuntary fits and uncontrollable assault on Miguna
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 28, 2012 19:34:20 GMT 3
Dedan, This statement can either be true or false? " Miguna's book has been accepted by Jerome Corsi because it fits into the broader ideological positioning of WND."i suggest you insert the words ' I guess' before it to complete its meaning. Stibin - it is not a guess because I have read Mr. Corsi's statement about the book. He says it quite plainly. It is hidden in plain sight. By the way, to sober you up further, Miguna Miguna has actually been published before. His books include Disgraceful Osgoode and other Essays among others by AV publications I will leave you to speculate why he did not continue the previously fruitful relationship with his usual publisher.
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Feb 28, 2012 20:55:12 GMT 3
Miguna is a looser....he has outlived his usefulness. You can't sink so low!
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 28, 2012 23:59:34 GMT 3
MIGUNA MIGUNA I stand with you on this one.
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Feb 29, 2012 2:31:28 GMT 3
JUST IN, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/obama-birther-lawsuit-race-gordon-warren-epperly_n_1307938.htmlAs stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the "mulatto" race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of "Negro" or "mulatto" had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution."SHAME.
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Post by okhunyanye on Feb 29, 2012 2:46:41 GMT 3
Finally, for those always suggesting that I rent my house in Runda; that is false. I own it. I built it with my own sweat and savings before I returned to Kenya in 2007! Miguna MigunaThis is one thing that Kenyans in the diaspora need to emulate from Miguna Miguna. I see folks planlessly returning back home every day only for them to end up crushing on their friends, uncle's, or some other relative's couches. A few months down the line, they always outlive their welcome . Good job MM.
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Post by kasuku on Feb 29, 2012 11:32:09 GMT 3
JUST IN, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/obama-birther-lawsuit-race-gordon-warren-epperly_n_1307938.htmlAs stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the "mulatto" race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of "Negro" or "mulatto" had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution." SHAME.Why shame? Even kenya, in the old constitution used to disown the children of a kenyan woman married to a foreigner and on the other hand the foreign wife of a kenyan got a kenyan citizenship.
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Post by nalinali on Feb 29, 2012 13:24:02 GMT 3
"Miguna's idiocy equals that of Moses Kuria". Discuss
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 15:44:17 GMT 3
JUST IN, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/obama-birther-lawsuit-race-gordon-warren-epperly_n_1307938.htmlAs stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the "mulatto" race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of "Negro" or "mulatto" had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution." SHAME.Why shame? Even kenya, in the old constitution used to disown the children of a kenyan woman married to a foreigner and on the other hand the foreign wife of a kenyan got a kenyan citizenship. Patriarchy written into a constitution is what that law was. Still lots of advantage for men in the constitution and yet they can't stop whining about the negligible gains made by women!
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Post by mugabe on Feb 29, 2012 19:12:28 GMT 3
nalinali
I agree. Miguna is Moses Kuria with more flowery words and arrogance nothing more.
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Post by mrembo on Mar 1, 2012 12:35:48 GMT 3
“Odinga knows his chances of being elected president are dramatically reduced if Miguna’s book is published before this year’s presidential election in Kenya,” Corsi said. “Miguna presents a convincing portrait of Odinga as a ‘political conman’ whose term as prime minister has been riddled by family favoritism, massive corruption, sexual abuses, and public policy incompetence.” Miguna told Corsi that the book’s publication “will completely change Odinga’s political fortunes and ultimately, the political panorama in Kenya.” Among the more damaging accusations in the book, Miguna charges that Odinga and various Luo tribe leaders practice black magic that incorporates animal slaughter and that Odinga has a voracious sexual appetite that shows no respect for his own marriage or to the spouses of the women who catch his fancy.“A lawyer by training, Miguna kept copious notes of official government meetings in which he was a participant, as well as diaries of his private discussions with Odinga,” Corsi explained. “As a result, the book contains dozens of anecdotes of Odinga’s alleged transactions, from immoral sexual exploits, to corruption involving outright theft of millions of dollars in government funds, to accusations that Odinga is over his head in trying to rule a nation as politically complicated as Kenya.” www.wnd.com/2012/02/obamas-kenyan-pal-target-of-tell-all-book/Haahaaa haaa! Look whose calling kettle black. Now that this Miguna fellow is personal with domes abt Raila's marriage and sexual life would he mind the world knowing his sexual proclivities and marital chaos? >>>>>>>>How office sweepers reported on used condoms litter in Mr Squirky Clean's office & elders arbitrate over wife battery.
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Post by nalinali on Mar 1, 2012 12:47:58 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Mar 1, 2012 14:15:51 GMT 3
�Odinga knows his chances of being elected president are dramatically reduced if Miguna�s book is published before this year�s presidential election in Kenya,� Corsi said. �Miguna presents a convincing portrait of Odinga as a �political conman� whose term as prime minister has been riddled by family favoritism, massive corruption, sexual abuses, and public policy incompetence.� Miguna told Corsi that the book�s publication �will completely change Odinga�s political fortunes and ultimately, the political panorama in Kenya.� Among the more damaging accusations in the book, Miguna charges that Odinga and various Luo tribe leaders practice black magic that incorporates animal slaughter and that Odinga has a voracious sexual appetite that shows no respect for his own marriage or to the spouses of the women who catch his fancy.�A lawyer by training, Miguna kept copious notes of official government meetings in which he was a participant, as well as diaries of his private discussions with Odinga,� Corsi explained. �As a result, the book contains dozens of anecdotes of Odinga�s alleged transactions, from immoral sexual exploits, to corruption involving outright theft of millions of dollars in government funds, to accusations that Odinga is over his head in trying to rule a nation as politically complicated as Kenya.� www.wnd.com/2012/02/obamas-kenyan-pal-target-of-tell-all-book/Haahaaa haaa! Look whose calling kettle black. Now that this Miguna fellow is personal with domes abt Raila's marriage and sexual life would he mind the world knowing his sexual proclivities and marital chaos? >>>>>>>>How office sweepers reported on used condoms litter in Mr Squirky Clean's office & elders arbitrate over wife battery. Mrembo, If a man lives in a glass house, why in hell would he want to throw stones at others? Good question that needs an answer. Now you are revealing stuff that we would not have known had MM kept his "head". Now that he lost it, life is going to be tough.
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Post by phil on Mar 1, 2012 16:32:41 GMT 3
From the direction this thread is taking, am afraid matters will soon get out of hand given some people in Jukwaa share relations while others are personal friends of the Miguna and Odinga families.
Am not sure this was the intention of Miguna perhaps he forgot that there are no permanent enemies in politics but for him it seems he wants to inflict maximu damage - whether with basis or falsely.
On our part, we will wait to read the book and counter its contents chapter by chapter. We will then also not hesitate to reveal what we think the world should know about Miguna and his deals on the political table.
Bring it on, we say.
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 1, 2012 18:46:22 GMT 3
just musing.. mmmmmm I wonder if one decided to publish a book on Uhuru Kenyatta" what Bombshell" could kenyans expect? hey note! any kenyans has a right to publish a book, just depends whether it is a fiction or non-fiction.. or a gutter gossip book full of lies and innuendo's without facts just for monetary value or to tarnish ones name and imagine.. to gain political mileage or to help others gain political mileage.. Either way plenty of books have been written about many country political leaders, the difference is before the internet the citizens were pushed to believe that whatever was published was the gospel truth but now things have changed .. anyone can debunk lies.. openly and on live time using all the tools from Facebook, twitter, blogs e.t.c and it works against those who try to spread malicious rumours, lies, or being vindictive towards their peers!! to date it is working globally - check out anonymous- Wikileaks and other blogs.. debunking lies is working to te extend that people are now being careful on what they post or publish!!
Kenyans will be able to expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims by any writer.. No mileage or otherwise could be gained by an individual who is out to destroy others in order to gain political mileage for his peers and $$ for himself.. all these actions are short lived.. when trust and integrity is broken it is very difficult to mend it.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 1, 2012 21:01:05 GMT 3
nalinali I agree. Miguna is Moses Kuria with more flowery words and arrogance nothing more. Nalinali, I have read some stuff you have posted on this blog. But here you insult yourself positively. You may want to visit MM's work as Raila's advisor on coalitional affairs as a lawyer. I know it is denial time, and even our very Phil will now not remember Miguna contained Muthaura, and this Muthaura had just about confined Raila to a status as his PA! So I state even in hate those with minds must give the devil his dues. [In those days my beef with MM was what he wrote as a topical commentator in the star --unbalanced I thought.] -------- On kettles that call other kettles black, let me put it this way: --This was solved about 2 thousand years ago by a greek philosopher, either Plato of the republic or another I forget: Actually a man can tell lies about himself, and yet speak the truth about another! That is an ohigla is correct in calling another ohigla black. But would be wrong if it denied its own colour as similar, and denounced the other.
So philosophically, MM can be right as to the sexual depravity of Raila, but would be wrong in declaring himself morally superior to Raila in that respect! [There is the folklore example of baboons laughing at baboons walking ahead, but let me leave that funny one out for today]
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Post by phil on Mar 1, 2012 22:28:14 GMT 3
Nalinali, I have read some stuff you have posted on this blog. But here you insult yourself positively. You may want to visit MM's work as Raila's advisor on coalitional affairs as a lawyer. I know it is denial time, and even our very Phil will now not remember Miguna contained Muthaura, and this Muthaura had just about confined Raila to a status as his PA! So I state even in hate those with minds must give the devil his dues. [In those days my beef with MM was what he wrote as a topical commentator in the star --unbalanced I thought.] jakaswanga,What exactly are you trying to insinuate?
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