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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 7, 2012 16:41:32 GMT 3
hannali,You seem to be made for the gutter press press Miguna is complaining about. Why not join them. In all honesty I think we have allowed to many empty headed scumbags in this forum and they are pulling down the forum lower than the Weekly Citizen. That is scary enough in itself. I don't remember the hannalis and quite a number here ever making anything that can be called a contribution in this forum. These chaps would be expelled from mashada for bad behaviour and here they are actually considered contributing members of Jukwaa. They are privilleged enough to be reading Jukwaa, but No they also want to vomit on the forum. That is the shame of this forum. Why we are even discussing an alleged Miguna piece in Weekly Citizen here beats me. Why not bring the Weekly Citizen piece itself. Most people here don't even know what the story is all about. Some of us prefer to know what we are talking about. At best this should have been treated as a piece of information to Jukwaa members who are also Weekly Citizen readers. I am not one of them. If Oloo was kind enough to provide that service, fine enough. Or better still send an article to Weekly Citizen. But here we are having a discussion on something many have no clue about. Very strange. I ignored the makelele from the beginning. I will continue to do so unless some idiot like the one above brings my name up. I don't know what caves these characters come from, but I suspect they are better of in those caves. I think these insults are uncalled for. It is a fact that Adongo used to post for Miguna and offered defence of Miguna's diatribles. The roles are reversed and he no longer posts Miguna stuff here. It would help if he said he refused to post on Miguna's behalf if that is the case or that Miguna no longer sends him stuff to post. At least then he can attack Miguna with similar venom notwithstanding he was the messenger! Kamale,I know some of you like stretching the truth. That is fine with me but I always say facts are very stubborn things. You ignore them at your own peril. None other than adongo ogony himself has said here in Jukwaa many times the exact reason why I was posting stories for Miguna. I am sure you have read the same, since I have explained that more than once. In the Jerome Corsi, thread, which seems to be a prelude to this Weekly Citizen circus, I asked why Miguna was not posting his response to the story here in Jukwaa since he was responding to a thread we started. I am sure you read that too. So to remind you once again. I said more than once that I posted articles for Miguna when Miguna was the Advisor to the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya. Some of you guys were raving mad against him. In my opinion which I have already written here in Jukwaa several times, the position of being an Advisor to the PM put Miguna in a sensitive position and it would have been unwise and unnecessary to be entangled with the Kamales here in Jukwaa. That is no longer the case. All these are fairly obvious things but I am sure there are many for whom the facts cannot spoil a good spin. I have actually done very serious political work with Miguna. He is not my latest fantasy in the media like he is for some. I understand that. I have been in this business long enough to have seen all its by-products. They don't bother me. When Miguna makes public statements or makes deals with people like Jerome Corsi, that is a public issue which we can discuss particularly knowing who Jerome Corsi is. Those are not private things for which we should contact Miguna privately as "former" friends. If we can criticize Raila, Kibaki or even Moi before them, I don't know why it would surprise anybody that we also reserve the right to criticize Miguna. We do not folllow any religion by choice. If criticizing people is a ceasation of friendship then some of us must have an army of enemies out there. But discussing Miguna as a topic on a thread which is what I have seen here is just not my cup of tea. I do not know why some people want to drag people like myself in that cesspool when we have not bothered with it. The silly line of argument I have seen from the hannalis and Kamales is that adongo was once posting Miguna's articles and was praising him and now he attacks him and then some add their own routine claims like "personal" attacks without even bothering to read where we have disagreed. That is the cheap crap I will not put up with. I posted articles Miguna asked me to post for him and many of them were on common issues we were concerned about. If and when I felt like commenting on the same I did. If and when I felt I had nothing to add I said nothing. I had no obligation to support anything Miguna said or did, now or then. For the record, in the Jerome Corsi issue, I have even went further to ask Oloo to ask Miguna to respond to issues raised directly. In fact I questioned if Miguna considers himself above the rifraff of Jukwaa to the point he feels they are beneath his company as a contributor. All these you have read about Ndugu Kamale. I expect the hannalis of Jukwaa to pontificate on things they refuse to understand because I suspect they do not know any better. At least I give you more credit than that. I could be wrong it seems from your convoluted post. That is another story. If you recall Miguna has actually been a very consistent contributor in Jukwaa until he took his new position in Kenya. So what is the difference now? Like I said I consider this whole thread one of those things you find in Jukwaa these days. At the end of the day the discussion is about Miguna more than any article he wrote or didn't write in the Weekly Citizen or whatever the thing is called. Surely there must be other things in Jukwaa or elsewhere we can attend to. I ignored the thread for that exact reason and it seems some of you insist on dragging me into it. I hope this will be the last I have to drag myself here by way of contribution. Sawa?
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Post by mbuta on Mar 7, 2012 16:52:10 GMT 3
I think there are like 2-3 story-lines going on here at the same time in Jukwaa about Miguna Miguna. The first of which is, he used to be the PM's consigliere up until a couple of months ago. The second is decided to talk, and boy did he get a mega mic. But good old Miguna didn't leave it there, he decided to pen his memoirs. The third thing is how he decided to publish his book. So lets tackle each one in isolation, shall we? Lets all agree that Miguna Miguna was one of the most effective members of the PMs entourage, his Josh Lyman(if you are a fan of The West Wing). And he took no prisoners, stepped on every available toe. There are a lot of people within Jukwaa and outside it that loved him and resented him in equal measure because of that. Sooner or later, MM would step on a sacred cows toes and I think for reasons known only to the PM and his inner-circle, they decided that enough was enough and he needed to be canned. Well, nothing wrong with canning him, but almost everyone here on this forum, including me, had a problem on how they did it. They did it Nyayo style - publicly and without so much as a 'thank you for playing mate'. So its natural that Miguna would be pissed. So he had to defend himself and he did. With every camera and microphone thrashed upon his face, Miguna Miguna became louder and louder. I for one had a problem with that and my problem was two fold. The first is that when you become a politicians advisor, however humilating your exit is, its better for you to go in peace particularly if political advice is your trade-mark. No one is going to hire you again if you trashed your previous boss. I recognize the fact that Miguna does not particularly see himself as a political advisor for hire....more as a lawyer and maybe has made the decision that he would never be on any politicians payroll....he prolly sees himself more as a lawyer..which brings me to my second point why i didn't like Migunas new found awareness. He said that the PMs office was brimming with corruption ever since the PM was announced to that coveted role. My next natural question then would be, why didn't he resign in protest or resign quietly and spent like a couple of years in the office. You see, its about morals. When you decide to climb a high horse, be prepared to ride it. So there is no explanation in this world that would make sense to me on why he is making all these revelations after the fact. None...nada...kapuut..onge yawa..On this score, there are people who supported him and there are people who didn't and mostly this was driven by which side of the political divide you came from. Don't you just miss the good old days when folks were objective? Now MM decided to write a book. This obviously caused a lot of heartburn to many of Raila's supporters coz this meant that MM was basically going to translate his verbal jabs into written knocks. I am not opposed to writing a book. He should write the book and we should be encouraged to read the book....and Miguna Miguna should know that this book will be subject to a lot of critique, both political and legal. Now I have a problem with the choice of publisher that MM is allegedly using and my problem is this man Corsi. A lot of Kenyans don't see him in good light and for good reason. There are good points to be made on both sides but at the end of the day, it will be said and rightly so, that Miguna Miguna published his book with a bigot. This is what I will say, and I know that a lot of you good folks here in Jukwaa would agree. KENYA IS A HARD PLACE...KENYA IS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED...COZ KENYA WILL PUT UP A FIGHT. The thing that you most believe in and are ready to die for is the same thing that someone else will oppose at the top of his lungs and call you names doing so. We should take heart that there are people in our midst and outside who have long fought and lost their lives if not wits for the opportunity for us to make noise,debate etc.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 7, 2012 17:02:22 GMT 3
Adongo I am sure you will recall that I did question then why Miguna would not post directly when he served at Shell BP house and preferred to use you to do it for him. Whilst I suspected the reason to be what you suggest, I was still disagreed because I felt he only felt too important to be seen writing in Jukwaa. I actuall have previuosly engaged PS Ndemo in Mashada where he was defending the government IT position and he had a very mature approach to the debates including putting up with the rubbish some would post in Mashada. You see why i would not agree with you posting for Miguna? When he is out of the hallowed office and was still posting on 'sensible stuff' such as the case of corruption regarding PLO you had no problem posting articles for him. This only seems to have stopped when he started attacking the PM and you did not agree with him on this one score. This should be the last post you did on his behalf when he was already out of office and was a Barrister & Solicitor in Ontario, Canada jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5742It is therefore dishonest of you to say that once he left office, he should not be using messengers any more and should post his diatribes himself! Sorry I am splitting hairs but you have accused people here of of being scumbags for calling others hypocrites.
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Post by mank on Mar 7, 2012 17:40:18 GMT 3
Mank, very true! Miguna hasn't changed. He's just as arrogant & abrasive as he's ever been. Once his message changed from praise & hallelujahs to The Chosen One to exposing his numerous shortcomings, Miguna became a marked man. The choir that would back Miguna's previous write ups with kumbayas now find themselves having to stone the fallen prophet. "Hypocrites" just about covers it. and conveniently forget to add that, some of those cheering him now, not too long ago, were hurling barbs his way
the day kamale showered the man with praise i had to step out into the street to confirm i was still on earth and that nothing new had happened while i was glued to the computer screen ;D
as it is with most things, we have gone full circleIn fact no one is cheering Miguna! Saying a word against hypocritical lynching in not same thing as cheering the lynch victim. Of course Miguna is not always wrong, so someone can agree with him on this issue and disagree with him on another. Those who hurled barbs his way still do so today, when he deserves them. For example see the thread about him sending book to Corsi. On the other hand the hyprocrites loved him to a fault when he was PM's ammo, and now they hate him with equal measure.
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Post by gemagema on Mar 7, 2012 19:20:09 GMT 3
I am still to get a straight answer as to why Miguna cant post on his own on Jukwaa... To come to the Miguna case, I am really at a loss to fathom the level of viral and virulent HATRED directed against this individual. Even when he does not post, people will INVENT quotes, dredge the internet for anything they can use to bash him and so on. He used to be a DARLING of the ODM troops in Jukwaa. Now Satan is more popular than Miguna on Jukwaa. I have asked Miguna myself why he ceased posting on Jukwaa. He told me that he does not wish to willingly submit himself to the kind of drivel and personal abuse that he saw Onyango Oloo go through on RC Bowen, Mashada and other sites in years past. And he knows that whatever he says, people will jump on him. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
WOW! Miguna must be feeling like a little god wherever he is...all Jukwaa pundits have turned their attention on him..whether in good or bad light. Anyways, I do not care one bit how Miguna gets his message on Jukwaa, whether thru OO, Adongo or even himself. But allow me to comment...I feel that Miguna is as vain as we have known him on political scenes. He must feel so VIP to use others and not himself to pen his notes on Jukwaa...If he can type his comments and email them to someone to submit them to Jukwaa..why cant he just log in and post. I think hii ni maringo ya pesa nane tu on the side of MM Ok, according to what OO has written..he doesn’t want to be subjected to the type of Vile that Onyango Oloo went thru on other virtual platforms. However, I think this is contradictory. Ofcourse MM reads every response to his threads on Jukwaa that have been posted on his behalf. And if he can read and not respond in writing to the comments therein, thereby avoiding to get into any altercations, then surely, i guess he can just post his notes personally on Jukwaa and still choose not to respond in writing (even though read them) and that way he will still have his peace. Hata hivyo, the public Miguna that I know is so combative and disputatious that I wonder why he would have a great fear of engaging others virtually. And lastly, it is very OK for former friends of Miguna to turn their back on him. Mark you, most of them were only supportive of him because he was supporting their leader – Raila. (MM alikuwa rafiki wa rafiki wangu) So if he falls out with the one who introduced them to him, then its expected that they will also fall out with him. Vice versa, those who hated him because he worked for the one they hate, have now turned into friends, because he no longer works for the one they hate. In real sense, what those former friends of Miguna are doing on Jukwaa is exactly what Miguna is doing to his former Boss Raila. If anything, the vile against him from friends turned enemies on Jukwaa is so minor that one cannot compare but contrast with his reactions towards Raila. Miguna ana machungu kweli. My silent wish is for Miguna to just stop posting (via ) about his book on Jukwaa until his book is published. Cant he just handle not being in the limelight for some moment. Miguna just wants to still remain politically significant, though his candle light has already blown off - Moshi tu ndiye iliyobaki. I can bet my last cents that he instigated directly or indirectly the article in that weekly citizen. The public had forgotten him, even Jukwaaists, and so he had to light up some fire, in the name of this latest post of Jukwaa. And sure enough, we have fallen for it and granted him the attention he so seeks. So, bwana Miguna, i suggest some hiatus - publish your book and let those who are interested read it
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Post by Mukwhasi on Mar 8, 2012 3:05:28 GMT 3
My question to Miguna is, where is the book? ,this anxiety is killing me!
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Post by man on Mar 8, 2012 4:26:02 GMT 3
Phil, You couldn't have put it better!!! Oh really, is that so?
Can you and/or Phil DEMONSTRATE to me why this is " a load of crap"Is Miguna lying?
Is Oloo backing up the lies?I take umbrage when people question my honesty and integrity. Some of you think it is particularly "courageous" to log in to Jukwaa under assumed names to launch unwarranted personal attacks on the very person who welcomed you and GUARANTEES your freedom of speech here in Jukwaa. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa AdministratorAnd who exactly is this who is "courageous" to log in to Jukwaa under assumed names
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Post by foresight on Mar 8, 2012 5:17:42 GMT 3
Poor Adongo- he was not even going to comment.. then they pulled him in and boxed him in a corner, then repeatedly punched him under the belt.. thats what I call ambush!
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Post by chokoraa on Mar 8, 2012 8:52:24 GMT 3
Poor Adongo- he was not even going to comment.. then they pulled him in and boxed him in a corner, then repeatedly punched him under the belt.. thats what I call ambush! And MM is in LONDON!!!
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Post by phil on Mar 8, 2012 9:29:36 GMT 3
Phil I cannot resist the urge to express total agreement with your observations in respect of OO. I have watched in utter disbelief how OO has morphed from a moderator (objective and neutral) into partisan Miguna's spanner boy and OO it does look good. If Miguna is a participant here at Jukwaa, It makes a lot more sense to let him speak directly to other debaters. There is no murk left that Miguna hasn't swam in for him to anchor his misplaced and ill-informed preoccupation on OO. Thanks omera. I cannot also resist expressing my appreciation to you for this support. I am struggling to resist responding to Oloo's low-blow. There's nothing courageous about posting comments at Jukwaa. That allegation is uncalled for. It's a free world. If Miguna wants to play politics, he is more than welcome. My view on this Miguna circus has not changed. It's an absurdity that we have to wait for Miguna's book to be published for us to get to know about grand corruption in Office of the Prime Minister. That's where the load of crap comes from. But if Oloo has elected to act as anchor Miguna's nonsesical allegations, there is nothing you and I can do about it.
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