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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 6, 2012 15:45:18 GMT 3
I got this email from Miguna a few hours ago:
Ndugu,
As you know, I'm still in the UK.
Yesterday and today, I've received numerous calls and texts 'congratulating' me on an article in the Weekly Citizen on Raila.
I don't know anybody at the Weekly Citizen. I've never spoken with them or anybody or any reporter for that matter on the CONTENTS of my book.
Anything the Weekly Citizen has published purportedly from me is fake and false. My book is yet to be published and everyone must be patient until it is released to comment on its contents, which they are NOT privy to.
I think the Weekly Citizen is using my name to sell its rag.
I have seen people going wild talking about rubbish about me. Why are Kenyans so gullible?
NB: I urge everyone to ignore and dismiss any reports about my book until it is launched. It will be soon...
Please post this information for me.
Thanks.
Miguna Miguna
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Post by destiny on Mar 6, 2012 16:26:16 GMT 3
It's election year and the stakes are quite high. It's gonna get mucky in political rallies, funerals, in print and electronic media and the battle will also be taken online in forums like Jukwaa like never before. Brace yourselves folks and prepare for the muck flying in every direction. Thanks Miguna for clearing it up.
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2012 17:50:35 GMT 3
Oloo,
This is a load of crap coming from Miguna. And unfortunatelty, it has made you lose a lot of marks in our eyes Jukwaa members. Unless you are working in cahoots with Miguna and have formed some kind of alliance, I see no reason for you to continue doing Miguna this 'favour'.
As far as I can see, what the Weekly Citizen publishes, whether true or false, is between the publication and those who read it. Jukwaa has its exclusive membership and threads.
One wonders, if Miguna can send you emails, then by all means he can directly post for himself at Jukwaa, the reach of the internet is limitless.
By the way, why is Miguna not threatening a lawsuit like he once did to us here at Jukwaa for telling him the truth? Shameless hypocrite this Miguna fella is!
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Post by mbuta on Mar 6, 2012 20:54:05 GMT 3
I am still to get a straight answer as to why Miguna cant post on his own on Jukwaa...
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Post by man on Mar 7, 2012 4:30:42 GMT 3
Oloo, This is a load of crap coming from Miguna. And unfortunatelty, it has made you lose a lot of marks in our eyes Jukwaa members. Unless you are working in cahoots with Miguna and have formed some kind of alliance, I see no reason for you to continue doing Miguna this 'favour'. As far as I can see, what the Weekly Citizen publishes, whether true or false, is between the publication and those who read it. Jukwaa has its exclusive membership and threads. One wonders, if Miguna can send you emails, then by all means he can directly post for himself at Jukwaa, the reach of the internet is limitless. By the way, why is Miguna not threatening a lawsuit like he once did to us here at Jukwaa for telling him the truth? Shameless hypocrite this Miguna fella is! Phil, You couldn't have put it better!!! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 7, 2012 5:31:24 GMT 3
I am still to get a straight answer as to why Miguna cant post on his own on Jukwaa... First of all, where is it written that I am obliged to give answers to all the questions people ask on this forum? If I were to do that I would be compromising the privacy, security and confidentiality that members entrust in me. Do you know how many times I have posted on behalf of Jukwaa members here? Some of them are pretty high profile public servants, diplomats, journalists and even politicians. Some of them work in in sensitive and high risk positions. There are many times when I simply post some of these things under my own name. In a slightly different scenario, I have been reposting, word for word some emails I have been getting from a Jukwaa regular who prefers not to post certain things under their regular handle or even real name. Of course I am also aware when the NSIS and other intelligence services have communicated with me in order to plant surveillance software in my system. At those times I play the fool and pretend I do not know what they are doing-meanwhile immediately dispatching the same to my own counter surveillance cyber sleuths in a cloak and dagger case of watching the watchers. To come to the Miguna case, I am really at a loss to fathom the level of viral and virulent HATRED directed against this individual. Even when he does not post, people will INVENT quotes, dredge the internet for anything they can use to bash him and so on. He used to be a DARLING of the ODM troops in Jukwaa. Now Satan is more popular than Miguna on Jukwaa. I have asked Miguna myself why he ceased posting on Jukwaa. He told me that he does not wish to willingly submit himself to the kind of drivel and personal abuse that he saw Onyango Oloo go through on RC Bowen, Mashada and other sites in years past. And he knows that whatever he says, people will jump on him. And I, Onyango Oloo DO NOT MIND posting on his behalf. So what is the big freaking deal? I happen to have a very thick skin and can absorb ALL the barbs PLUS MORE directed at me because of Miguna. What has been particularly astounding for me to witness are the vicious personal and direct insults and attacks on Miguna by people who are HIS PERSONAL FRIENDS AND COMRADES; people who know him personally; people who can contact him directly and privately via other means but prefer to turn their canons on Miguna publicly here on Jukwaa.Mbuta, I know that for some of you, a day will be considered unfinished if Miguna does not come up in a thread so I will let you have your fix in the same way drug peddlers supply addicts with their crack cocaine, heroin, LSD or magic mushrooms. Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 7, 2012 5:38:27 GMT 3
Oloo, This is a load of crap coming from Miguna. And unfortunatelty, it has made you lose a lot of marks in our eyes Jukwaa members. Unless you are working in cahoots with Miguna and have formed some kind of alliance, I see no reason for you to continue doing Miguna this 'favour'. As far as I can see, what the Weekly Citizen publishes, whether true or false, is between the publication and those who read it. Jukwaa has its exclusive membership and threads. One wonders, if Miguna can send you emails, then by all means he can directly post for himself at Jukwaa, the reach of the internet is limitless. By the way, why is Miguna not threatening a lawsuit like he once did to us here at Jukwaa for telling him the truth? Shameless hypocrite this Miguna fella is! Phil, You couldn't have put it better!!!
Can you and/or Phil DEMONSTRATE to me why this is " a load of crap" Is Miguna lying?
Is Oloo backing up the lies?I take umbrage when people question my honesty and integrity. Some of you think it is particularly "courageous" to log in to Jukwaa under assumed names to launch unwarranted personal attacks on the very person who welcomed you and GUARANTEES your freedom of speech here in Jukwaa.
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 7, 2012 6:14:47 GMT 3
Mkuu OO,
Nakusihi uwachane na hawa watu wanaoleta sideshows about MM.
...hoja hujibiwa kwa hoja na sio ishu za urafiki baina ya watu.
Nawasilisha.
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Post by furaha on Mar 7, 2012 6:27:10 GMT 3
To come to the Miguna case, I am really at a loss to fathom the level of viral and virulent HATRED directed against this individual. Even when he does not post, people will INVENT quotes, dredge the internet for anything they can use to bash him and so on. He used to be a DARLING of the ODM troops in Jukwaa. Now Satan is more popular than Miguna on Jukwaa. What has been particularly astounding for me to witness are the vicious personal and direct insults and attacks on Miguna by people who are HIS PERSONAL FRIENDS AND COMRADES; people who know him personally; people who can contact him directly and privately via other means but prefer to turn their canons on Miguna publicly here on Jukwaa.Onyango Oloo
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Oloo, Over the last few months those who disagree with you seem to have been more vocal than those who agree. I belong to the latter group so let me write to support you. I am equally astounded by the viral hatred that meets the very mention of anything related to Miguna Miguna. It is clear many do not agree with his actions and opinions since he was forced out of the PM's office some seven months ago. That is fine with me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I find the descent into vicious hate spewing particularly appalling and unacceptable. This is not the way to engage eachother. furaha |
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Post by mank on Mar 7, 2012 7:16:30 GMT 3
... To come to the Miguna case, I am really at a loss to fathom the level of viral and virulent HATRED directed against this individual. Even when he does not post, people will INVENT quotes, dredge the internet for anything they can use to bash him and so on. He used to be a DARLING of the ODM troops in Jukwaa. Now Satan is more popular than Miguna on Jukwaa. .........
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That's easy to explain. Those particular troops are hypocrites! It was not Miguna they really loved. Now Miguna hates the one they loved. For that they hate him! They are even the loudest now calling him the biggest fool even though they taunted him as the brainiac then. Fortunate for Miguna, he knows them well. That is why he won't come here to subject himself to disingenuous vitriol. On my part, having had to confront time and again the characteristic art used by those who loved him but now hate him, I must say he's being smart and economical on his health in keeping a distance. And for Once I feel it is a blessing that we have you to post his thoughts here nevertheless. We can like them, hate them, or be indifferent. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2012 7:32:29 GMT 3
It was not Miguna they really loved. Now Miguna hates the one they loved. For that they hate him! They are even the loudest now calling him the biggest fool even though they taunted him as the brainiac then. Mank, very true! Miguna hasn't changed. He's just as arrogant & abrasive as he's ever been. Once his message changed from praise & hallelujahs to The Chosen One to exposing his numerous shortcomings, Miguna became a marked man. The choir that would back Miguna's previous write ups with kumbayas now find themselves having to stone the fallen prophet. "Hypocrites" just about covers it. |
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Post by hannali on Mar 7, 2012 8:31:42 GMT 3
Let Miguna have a chance to show us who this man Raila is. He is free and we welcome this breath of fresh air... The rabid attack hounds like Adongo and company should be held back on their leashes
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Post by tnk on Mar 7, 2012 9:14:21 GMT 3
It was not Miguna they really loved. Now Miguna hates the one they loved. For that they hate him! They are even the loudest now calling him the biggest fool even though they taunted him as the brainiac then. Mank, very true! Miguna hasn't changed. He's just as arrogant & abrasive as he's ever been. Once his message changed from praise & hallelujahs to The Chosen One to exposing his numerous shortcomings, Miguna became a marked man. The choir that would back Miguna's previous write ups with kumbayas now find themselves having to stone the fallen prophet. "Hypocrites" just about covers it. and conveniently forget to add that, some of those cheering him now, not too long ago, were hurling barbs his way the day kamale showered the man with praise i had to step out into the street to confirm i was still on earth and that nothing new had happened while i was glued to the computer screen ;D as it is with most things, we have gone full circle |
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Post by ebarasi on Mar 7, 2012 10:08:39 GMT 3
Oloo,
I stand with you on this one. Don't cave in to the lynching squad. Every conflict has two sides and blame has to be shared or apportioned. Sometimes one side has the lion's share of the blame and at other times there is enough of it to go around. To single out Miguna in this conflict without understanding the genesis of the conflict beats all logic. We owe it to our country not to give in to myopic interests. When the truth is said, let's bear witness. When malice is intended, let's call it out. Some people make it their business to confuse an ideal and an individual who may at some point front that ideal. None of us were born to serve the other wholesome, unquestioningly and at risk of losing the purpose of our own existence.
We should judge Miguna on the content of his postings and all other sideshows are aimed to steal the thunder from any argument. Whether he posts himself or doesn't really is irrelevant.
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2012 10:35:46 GMT 3
Mank, very true! Miguna hasn't changed. He's just as arrogant & abrasive as he's ever been. Once his message changed from praise & hallelujahs to The Chosen One to exposing his numerous shortcomings, Miguna became a marked man. The choir that would back Miguna's previous write ups with kumbayas now find themselves having to stone the fallen prophet. "Hypocrites" just about covers it. and conveniently forget to add that, some of those cheering him now, not too long ago, were hurling barbs his way the day kamale showered the man with praise i had to step out into the street to confirm i was still on earth and that nothing new had happened while i was glued to the computer screen ;D as it is with most things, we have gone full circle  Let the record show that I for one have always advocated for Miguna to keep mum. His 180 degree turn on Raila, & being vocal about it, isn't the way to go if he intends to live in KE. He's free to publish his book & do a Githongo on RAO but the (at one time) weekly attacks were actually counterproductive. |
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Post by chokoraa on Mar 7, 2012 11:40:00 GMT 3
OO,
It's unfortunate but when you decide to stand in for MM you have to receive the barbs and bouquets meant for him, and they will come in a fair measure because MM has an equal measure of friends and foes.
My advise to you earlier was to kindly advise MM to stay away from the publicity he seemed to be enjoying then get down and reconsider his position on this issues.
It seemed to be a nice hot issue at that time but soon moved to the third columns of the national papers and now it's a subject for the gutter press. This shows how low any issue from MM has become.
MM should KEEP QUIET and write his book in peace. Responding to gutter press is going low there with them, the people he thinks need to hear him do not read those papers. Bringing that to jukwaa is also reducing us to the level of gutter press.
OO, tell MM that he should keep quiet and publish his book in peace, am sure when he has something of substance he will talk to us in person. He has done it before and I know he will do it again soon.
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Post by mbuta on Mar 7, 2012 14:05:37 GMT 3
I am still to get a straight answer as to why Miguna cant post on his own on Jukwaa... Mbuta, I know that for some of you, a day will be considered unfinished if Miguna does not come up in a thread so I will let you have your fix in the same way drug peddlers supply addicts with their crack cocaine, heroin, LSD or magic mushrooms. Onyango Oloo
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Post by kamalet on Mar 7, 2012 14:11:41 GMT 3
Oh how I wish there was something for me to bash Miguna for!! I seem vindicated when I bashed his pro-PM propaganda which he peddled here courtesy of Adongo. Now that he seems to confirm that it was actually propaganda and nothing factual as he will be "spilling the beans on his former boss" it is easy to see why there are so many ready to bash and bad mouth him!
Or just may be I was right to bash him then and those bashing him today seem to see him how I saw him! Nah!!!!It is just a bunch of hypocrites who only cheered him as he batted for the PM and now that he no longer is, he is nothing more than a useless item!
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Post by nalinali on Mar 7, 2012 14:22:44 GMT 3
Oloo, This is a load of crap coming from Miguna. And unfortunatelty, it has made you lose a lot of marks in our eyes Jukwaa members. Unless you are working in cahoots with Miguna and have formed some kind of alliance, I see no reason for you to continue doing Miguna this 'favour'. As far as I can see, what the Weekly Citizen publishes, whether true or false, is between the publication and those who read it. Jukwaa has its exclusive membership and threads. One wonders, if Miguna can send you emails, then by all means he can directly post for himself at Jukwaa, the reach of the internet is limitless. By the way, why is Miguna not threatening a lawsuit like he once did to us here at Jukwaa for telling him the truth? Shameless hypocrite this Miguna fella is! Phil I cannot resist the urge to express total agreement with your observations in respect of OO. I have watched in utter disbelief how OO has morphed from a moderator (objective and neutral) into partisan Miguna's spanner boy and OO it does look good. If Miguna is a participant here at Jukwaa, It makes a lot more sense to let him speak directly to other debaters. There is no murk left that Miguna hasn't swam in for him to anchor his misplaced and ill-informed preoccupation on OO. |
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Post by nalinali on Mar 7, 2012 14:24:07 GMT 3
I am still to get a straight answer as to why Miguna cant post on his own on Jukwaa... First of all, where is it written that I am obliged to give answers to all the questions people ask on this forum? If I were to do that I would be compromising the privacy, security and confidentiality that members entrust in me. Do you know how many times I have posted on behalf of Jukwaa members here? Some of them are pretty high profile public servants, diplomats, journalists and even politicians. Some of them work in in sensitive and high risk positions. There are many times when I simply post some of these things under my own name. In a slightly different scenario, I have been reposting, word for word some emails I have been getting from a Jukwaa regular who prefers not to post certain things under their regular handle or even real name. Of course I am also aware when the NSIS and other intelligence services have communicated with me in order to plant surveillance software in my system. At those times I play the fool and pretend I do not know what they are doing-meanwhile immediately dispatching the same to my own counter surveillance cyber sleuths in a cloak and dagger case of watching the watchers. To come to the Miguna case, I am really at a loss to fathom the level of viral and virulent HATRED directed against this individual. Even when he does not post, people will INVENT quotes, dredge the internet for anything they can use to bash him and so on. He used to be a DARLING of the ODM troops in Jukwaa. Now Satan is more popular than Miguna on Jukwaa. I have asked Miguna myself why he ceased posting on Jukwaa. He told me that he does not wish to willingly submit himself to the kind of drivel and personal abuse that he saw Onyango Oloo go through on RC Bowen, Mashada and other sites in years past. And he knows that whatever he says, people will jump on him. And I, Onyango Oloo DO NOT MIND posting on his behalf. So what is the big freaking deal? I happen to have a very thick skin and can absorb ALL the barbs PLUS MORE directed at me because of Miguna. What has been particularly astounding for me to witness are the vicious personal and direct insults and attacks on Miguna by people who are HIS PERSONAL FRIENDS AND COMRADES; people who know him personally; people who can contact him directly and privately via other means but prefer to turn their canons on Miguna publicly here on Jukwaa.Mbuta, I know that for some of you, a day will be considered unfinished if Miguna does not come up in a thread so I will let you have your fix in the same way drug peddlers supply addicts with their crack cocaine, heroin, LSD or magic mushrooms. Onyango Oloo
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Post by hannali on Mar 7, 2012 14:54:15 GMT 3
What a U Turn................when Miguna was thrashing Raila's opponents, Adongo himself used to facilitate his articles here. now Miguna is so bad that the frothing Adongo cannot control his attacks
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 7, 2012 15:46:10 GMT 3
What a U Turn................when Miguna was thrashing Raila's opponents, Adongo himself used to facilitate his articles here. now Miguna is so bad that the frothing Adongo cannot control his attacks You seem to be made for the gutter press press Miguna is complaining about. Why not join them. In all honesty I think we have allowed to many empty headed scumbags in this forum and they are pulling down the forum lower than the Weekly Citizen. That is scary enough in itself. I don't remember the hannalis and quite a number here ever making anything that can be called a contribution in this forum. These chaps would be expelled from mashada for bad behaviour and here they are actually considered contributing members of Jukwaa. They are privilleged enough to be reading Jukwaa, but No they also want to vomit on the forum. That is the shame of this forum. Why we are even discussing an alleged Miguna piece in Weekly Citizen here beats me. Why not bring the Weekly Citizen piece itself. Most people here don't even know what the story is all about. Some of us prefer to know what we are talking about. At best this should have been treated as a piece of information to Jukwaa members who are also Weekly Citizen readers. I am not one of them. If Oloo was kind enough to provide that service, fine enough. Or better still send an article to Weekly Citizen. But here we are having a discussion on something many have no clue about. Very strange. I ignored the makelele from the beginning. I will continue to do so unless some idiot like the one above brings my name up. I don't know what caves these characters come from, but I suspect they are better of in those caves. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 7, 2012 16:03:24 GMT 3
What a U Turn................when Miguna was thrashing Raila's opponents, Adongo himself used to facilitate his articles here. now Miguna is so bad that the frothing Adongo cannot control his attacks You seem to be made for the gutter press press Miguna is complaining about. Why not join them. In all honesty I think we have allowed to many empty headed scumbags in this forum and they are pulling down the forum lower than the Weekly Citizen. That is scary enough in itself. I don't remember the hannalis and quite a number here ever making anything that can be called a contribution in this forum. These chaps would be expelled from mashada for bad behaviour and here they are actually considered contributing members of Jukwaa. They are privilleged enough to be reading Jukwaa, but No they also want to vomit on the forum. That is the shame of this forum. Why we are even discussing an alleged Miguna piece in Weekly Citizen here beats me. Why not bring the Weekly Citizen piece itself. Most people here don't even know what the story is all about. Some of us prefer to know what we are talking about. At best this should have been treated as a piece of information to Jukwaa members who are also Weekly Citizen readers. I am not one of them. If Oloo was kind enough to provide that service, fine enough. Or better still send an article to Weekly Citizen. By here we are having a discussion on something many have no clue about. Very strange. I ignored the makelele from the beginning. I will continue to do so unless some idiot like the one above brings my name up. I don't know what caves these characters come from, but I suspect they are better of in those caves. I think these insults are uncalled for. It is a fact that Adongo used to post for Miguna and offered defence of Miguna's diatribles. The roles are reversed and he no longer posts Miguna stuff here. It would help if he said he refused to post on Miguna's behalf if that is the case or that Miguna no longer sends him stuff to post. At least then he can attack Miguna with similar venom notwithstanding he was the messenger! |
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Post by nuffsed1 on Mar 7, 2012 16:11:59 GMT 3
OO I've rarely posted on Jukwaa, but this I cannot let pass. The manner in which Weekly Citizen wrote the story on Miguna's book suggests they were in contact, even if indirectly. He has the right to deny giving them the story assuming he actually didn't, but it does not preclude the possibility that he used proxies to "leak" the story to the rag. Advance publicity is useful for Miguna. I do not read the Weekly Citizen much, but as long as Miguna does not stop his antics, the Weekly Citizen story remains open for speculation. If you have an understanding to post his emails here and you have accepted to take the barbs for him, well and good.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 7, 2012 16:33:16 GMT 3
What a U Turn................when Miguna was thrashing Raila's opponents, Adongo himself used to facilitate his articles here. now Miguna is so bad that the frothing Adongo cannot control his attacks You seem to be made for the gutter press press Miguna is complaining about. Why not join them. In all honesty I think we have allowed to many empty headed scumbags in this forum and they are pulling down the forum lower than the Weekly Citizen. That is scary enough in itself. I don't remember the hannalis and quite a number here ever making anything that can be called a contribution in this forum. These chaps would be expelled from mashada for bad behaviour and here they are actually considered contributing members of Jukwaa. They are privilleged enough to be reading Jukwaa, but No they also want to vomit on the forum. That is the shame of this forum. Why we are even discussing an alleged Miguna piece in Weekly Citizen here beats me. Why not bring the Weekly Citizen piece itself. Most people here don't even know what the story is all about. Some of us prefer to know what we are talking about. At best this should have been treated as a piece of information to Jukwaa members who are also Weekly Citizen readers. I am not one of them. If Oloo was kind enough to provide that service, fine enough. Or better still send an article to Weekly Citizen. By here we are having a discussion on something many have no clue about. Very strange. I ignored the makelele from the beginning. I will continue to do so unless some idiot like the one above brings my name up. I don't know what caves these characters come from, but I suspect they are better of in those caves. This is more mashada than mashada itself. You never read the citizen, but you still want to insult those who read the piece and have a thing or two to say a bout it. You were Miguna's messenger here on a daily basis, what has changed? Does it even matter whether it is Miguna himself posting here? Personally, I dont care, I am more interested in what he is saying than through whom he is saying it. Jukwaa is not about personalities but content. |
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Let the record show that I for one have always advocated for Miguna to keep mum. His 180 degree turn on Raila, & being vocal about it, isn't the way to go if he intends to live in KE. He's free to publish his book & do a Githongo on RAO but the (at one time) weekly attacks were actually counterproductive. 
