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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 0:25:15 GMT 3
This now feels like a Republican versus Democratic campaign in the US. Say whatever you can say to dismantle your opponent and their base, and at the same time try to maintain your own supporters. There are some hardcore supporters that will never change, even if their party or leader really partake some inhumane stuff. This is the case of Uhuru and Ruto and their supporters. They will believe everything and anything they say, even when they know its obvious lies. Their claims that Raila is the reason they are at ICC is all lies, and all Kenyans know that. Even kamalet, mwalimumkuu and b6k definitely did hear the "Dont be vague, let us go to Hague" anthem. On the other hand, Raila has supporters who would never leave him, whatever the case. hence the excitement amidst the ODM base about the hard and well thought rejoinder from the Raila Odinga secretariat. Anyways, this 2012 elections will not be about winning the hardcore supporters of your opponents, those are already taken. But it is about convincing the neutral, bench sitting kenyans, who are neither raila's, Uhuru's or Ruto's. And I still wonder if some victims of PEV can reconcile themselves into supporting 'the one' that either denied you of your land' or 'the one that killed raped and maimed your friends and family and neighbours'. That said, this election has not really taken shape yet, until we know who exactly Raila's opponent will be. Until then...the grounds are only warming up now. G7 have yet to come up with their candidate. After all, if both Uhuru and Ruto vie seperately (and that is what i expect, if they will not be dining at ICC) the 'ICC Sympathiser' supporter base will be scattered and divided to the benefit of Raila. Then, this time around, he will be a real beneficiary So, yes, Raila must continue with the verbal fight he has now started against Uhuru, Ruto and G7. There is nothing to loose Yes Gemagema. I heard the don't be vague crowd but the mob that really caught my attention was the "No Raila, No Peace" one. Funny how you seem to forget that Ruto was actually one of your regional lieutenants who was instrumental in bringing the nation down to its knees through PEV. We as a family still bear the scars of the "make the country ungovernable" policy having lost a relative in Molo & had others flee for their lives, under armed escort, with nothing but the shirts on their back in Cherangany. So excuse me when I reach for my proverbial revolver every time I hear the words ODM & progressive used in the same sentence. That's why the G7 axis doesn't even make sense to me. How those 2 think they'll pull it off is a marvel I can't wait to see. Once bitten, twice shy as the saying goes. The same bozos are still coming round seeking our votes? All power to them...
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 0:37:10 GMT 3
B6K, Not quite sure where you are going with this. It's been my observation that Raila would like to see the GCG dead as soon as possible. And the cop appointments are going nowhere… more egg on the face of the Kibaki (how's this fun to you?). Lastly, the election date confusion from Kibaki is not a political ploy. It simply is confusion… medically/mental confusion. Yaani, mzee ni mgonjwa. He should never be made to plant a tree in public. Lincoln I wrote off Kibaki back in '03 when it became clear that his accident & its aftermath left him in a state that can only be described as a house with the lights on but nobody home. It was a pity because certain forces took advantage of his condition & turned what had promised to be a new dawn for KE under a pretty sharp guy into the nightmare we've lived through over the last decade under an over-medicated zombie.
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Mar 13, 2012 3:19:54 GMT 3
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
WHERE SIN COMES FROM:Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
SIN IS THE FRUIT OF OUR LUST. James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
CONSEQUENCE OF SIN: Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
•SIN SHOULD BE Confessed.
Job 33:27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Let the ICC suspects first confess and God will forgive them of their sins. Unless they confess even 10,000 prayer rallies will not cleanse them of their sins. Just one confession can do it and then they will not be in need of any more prayers. The consequence of their sin or crime will follow after them still. That has to be paid RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.
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Post by einstein on Mar 13, 2012 5:31:53 GMT 3
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. WHERE SIN COMES FROM:Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: SIN IS THE FRUIT OF OUR LUST. James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. CONSEQUENCE OF SIN:Isaiah 13:11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. • SIN SHOULD BE Confessed. Job 33:27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not; Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Let the ICC suspects first confess and God will forgive them of their sins. Unless they confess even 10,000 prayer rallies will not cleanse them of their sins. Just one confession can do it and then they will not be in need of any more prayers. The consequence of their sin or crime will follow after them still. That has to be paid RIGHT HERE ON EARTH. Amen and God bless you brother!
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 13, 2012 8:30:21 GMT 3
Bold move. The real Raila finally awakes. It's on now. Looks like the beginning of another tsunami. It begins by clearly defining THEM (impunity) versus US (rule of law). Laughable. This is from a guy who has been named as a key instigatoras the guy at the apex of the network which formented the violenceby one of the main witnesses for the Prosecution. Sometimes I think we need a version of Poe's Law for Kenyan politics.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 13, 2012 8:42:18 GMT 3
Give us a freekin break Kamale. Trust b6k to blindly agree with you. Firstly, all (and I mean all) opinion polls have shown Kenyans prefer and support the ICC process more than a local tribunal. Thus, your assertion that O-4 are riding on a wave of public sympathy is an invention in your small part of the world. Secondly, it is the accused themselves who have turned this into a political issue. Soon after Ocampo named his suspects, and during the entire pre-trial hearings, both Ruto and Uhuru did not make a secret about whom they wanted charged at the Hague. Uhuru did not have a shred of evidence but still asserted Raila was responsible for the PEV. After confirmation of the charges, the prayer rallies have all been about attacking the prime minister rather than prayers. Even Charles Kilonzo's forged UK letter was all about politicizing the process and targeting the prime minister. You should be the last person whom the prime minister should turn to for political advise. Let's face it. If Raila was truly in a hole as you allege, you wouldn't be exactly concerned or worried about it, would you? The issue here is that he is telling you and your folks the truth and this is a very bitter truth.
(1) First claim is quite misleading, since it ignores the polls which showed either a majority in favour of amnesty, or against trials. A poll breakdown by partisan identification shows that supporters of ODM preferred amnesty or no trials, while a majority of PNU supporters preferred trials. Asserting that polls have shown a preference for the ICC trialsa question about the venue of the trialsignores a prior, clearly-expressed ODMer preference for no trials at all.
(2) Witness 6 has already testified that Raila Odinga supplied arms, money and consent for the violence, and that Ruto and Kosgey reported to him. This is in the public record. Presumably, Uhuru will have had access to the evidence against both him and Ruto; he is perfectly entitled to assert that Raila was responsible for the violence, and ought to have been charged.
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Post by phil on Mar 13, 2012 9:17:46 GMT 3
(1) First claim is quite misleading, since it ignores the polls which showed either a majority in favour of amnesty, or against trials. A poll breakdown by partisan identification shows that supporters of ODM preferred amnesty or no trials, while a majority of PNU supporters preferred trials. Asserting that polls have shown a preference for the ICC trialsa question about the venue of the trialsignores a prior, clearly-expressed ODMer preference for no trials at all.ODM is a majority party in Kenya, but ODM is not Kenya. Similarly, Raila is not Prime Minister of ODM but Prime Minister of Kenya. Spot the difference @daniel Waweru. The grand coalition government was formed on the basis of NARA's Agenda-4 which included either forming a credible local tribunal or forwarding the PEV cases to ICC. Let's stick to that please. Kamale's false assertion that O-4 are riding on a wave of public sympathy is a creation of the press (2) Witness 6 has already testified that Raila Odinga supplied arms, money and consent for the violence, and that Ruto and Kosgey reported to him. This is in the public record. Presumably, Uhuru will have had access to the evidence against both him and Ruto; he is perfectly entitled to assert that Raila was responsible for the violence, and ought to have been charged.
It is not witness 6 who determines the guilt or innocence of suspects at ICC. The judges do that after considering evidence and listening to witness testimonies. Uhuru can make all the political allegations he wants but the ICC is really an outfit that handles criminal issues. It's up to him if he wants to use Raila as his defence.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 13, 2012 10:07:22 GMT 3
ODM is a majority party in Kenya, but ODM is not Kenya. Similarly, Raila is not Prime Minister of ODM but Prime Minister of Kenya. Spot the difference @daniel Waweru. The grand coalition government was formed on the basis of NARA's Agenda-4 which included either forming a credible local tribunal or forwarding the PEV cases to ICC. Let's stick to that please. Kamale's false assertion that O-4 are riding on a wave of public sympathy is a creation of the press You claimed that a majority of Kenyans support the ICC. Indeed they do. It does not followand there is polling evidence for the claimthat a majority of Kenyans support trials. In particular, ODMers have repeatedly returned majorities in favour of amnesties or against trials. Further, the party, led by the Prime Minister, rejected the trials, promised to reject any calls to extradite any suspects, and arranged a mass indemnification of lower-level perpetrators in vi/2008. Your party's present disguise as the party of the rule of law is ridiculous.
The ridiculousness of Kamale's assertion does not justify or excuse your own. Here, as elsewhere, partisans of the two main parties enjoy a co-dependent relationship: you cover for each other.
Finally. The full text of NARA here. There is no mention of Agenda 4, or of the passing of the names to the ICC. This is hardly a surprise, since the tribunal-or-ICC requirement derives from the recommendations of the Waki report. Since the Waki report came after the formation of the grand coalition government, your argument that the requirement was a condition of the formation of the grand coalition fails.
The argument also evinces a lack of political nous. It was good politics to get the agreement on coalition before forming the tribunal. No one could then argue that the tribunal was not properly empowered. The players' desire for power was used to trap them.
It is not witness 6 who determines the guilt or innocence of suspects at ICC. The judges do that after considering evidence and listening to witness testimonies. Uhuru can make all the political allegations he wants but the ICC is really an outfit that handles criminal issues. It's up to him if he wants to use Raila as his defence. Distinguish factual guilt and legal guilt. You're factually guilty if and only if you actually did commit the murder. You're legally guilty iff a properly-empowered tribunal satisfies itself that you've committed the murder. Legal and factual guilt are distinct and independent. You can be legally guilt without being factually guilty; you can be factually guilty without legal guilt.
The leader of your party has just called for the jailing of Uhuru and Ruto. As we've seen on the board, you support those calls ("Folks this is like music to my ears!", as you informed us.) The leader of your party is not a properly empowered court, so far as I can tell. These facts allow the conclusion that you think it acceptable to assert that so and so is (factually) guilty, even in the absence of a determination of legal guilt. You cannot therefore deny that right to others. In particular, you can't deny it to Uhuru.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 10:33:09 GMT 3
The leader of your party has just called for the jailing of Uhuru and Ruto.Of course this is a lie. Just like many other lies from DW. But I have come to expect no less from the Uhuru and Ruto brigade.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 10:38:22 GMT 3
Either Raila continues with his streak of being an idiot or someone is really advising him badly. Kamale, relax. I don't understand why you are boiling and almost bursting your veins because of this. Be civil. Logically, you should be rejoicing when Raila is goofing. Yet this seems like raw anger from you. I suspect Raila is doing something you did not want or expect.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 10:43:32 GMT 3
Bold move. The real Raila finally awakes. It's on now. Looks like the beginning of another tsunami. It begins by clearly defining THEM (impunity) versus US (rule of law). Laughable. This is from a guy who has been named as a key instigatoras the guy at the apex of the network which formented the violenceby one of the main witnesses for the Prosecution. Sometimes I think we need a version of Poe's Law for Kenyan politics.
Te he he... I really look forward to your book on Kenya's PEV. It will be a best-seller. I think you are the only one with credible evidence and a brain for analysis. I can only imagine your frustration that few, who matter, seem to share your views and theories.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 10:47:21 GMT 3
2 statements in 48 hours? Is this a case of Dennis Onyango not wanting to be outshone by Salim Lone or a hint of something more sinister? Well, well Mr. Theorist. It does not matter that both statements came from and were signed by the same source, does it? It does not matter than one is a follow-up on the other; a response to reactions?
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 10:58:06 GMT 3
Lincoln, Raila has been under siege of late by Mudavadi as Kamale alludes to above. He had to ward off that internal challenge to his leadership. Isitoshe, the G7 lads have been upping the ante against him. Most people can take ad hominem attacks for only so long before they lash out in response. To put the icing on the cake, Kibaki still showed him disrespect by not consulting him on the cop appointments a few days after sending mixed signals on the date for the GE. All that may have pushed him over the edge to start working towards scuttling the GCG. Go on bwana PM....tear down this government! Mr. Theorist, there you go again. You need to take a deep breath. Chill. It does not help to throw everything into a mix and jump into ridiculous conclusions without any evidence or analysis. Think for yourself - Kamale is not your mother. Why don't you try accepting the truth as is evident? A transparent forgery was brought by Uhuru and Ruto to parliament dragging the PM's name along with the President and the UK government. It was part of a wider strategy. The PM reacted and called them out. That is it. Sometimes it is as simple as that. No governments are being collapsed. Mudavadi still woke up this morning all rosy. Raila has been under 'siege' for many decades. It all has nothing to do with the price of beer or what Mutula Kilonzo had for breakfast.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 11:08:06 GMT 3
I salute Raila Odinga for the steadfastness. This is leadership. Leadership is not about spending endless hours stoking ethnic fervour. It is about outlining clear visions and principles for national unity and development... and sticking to them regardless.
This year, Kenyans have to make a choice between impunity and justice; we have to decide whether we are ready for the spirit of the new constitution or we want to go back to the Kanu era shenanigans of Uhuru and Ruto.
These two statements by RAO secretariat cut straight to the issues and leave Kenyans with stark choices.
Meanwhile, if Uhuru and Ruto want to become fugitives from international law, that is their shauri. If they are innocent, they should present themselves to the ICC and defend themselves. They will be acquitted. Telling us - who lost loved ones or were raped - of their innocence on TV and in prayer rallies as if we are judges at the ICC is really distracting us from moving on and from important discourses in national politics: like devolution, reforming the police and building LAPSSET.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 13, 2012 11:15:48 GMT 3
The leader of your party has just called for the jailing of Uhuru and Ruto.Of course this is a lie. Just like many other lies from DW. But I have come to expect no less from the Uhuru and Ruto brigade.
No, actually it isn't. Here's the assertion:
Crimes against humanity are worse than murder. Yet these suspects of crimes against humanity remain free to traverse the country holding ‘prayer meetings’ – while Kenyan suspects of the lesser crime of murder conduct their prayers only behind the forbidding walls of Kamiti Maximum Security Prison, often for years before their cases are heard,
and that makes it pretty clear that he thinks they ought to be in jail. That is, Ruto and Uhuru are charged with crimes against humanity. Since other Kenyans are detained for less serious crimes, and since there is credible evidence against Ruto and Uhuru, they ought to be in jail. The reasoning in the passage is clear, and the statement was put out under the Prime Minister's name, paid for by a body associated with him, and it has been followed by similar claims. You'll want to withdraw the claim that I lied in your own time.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 13, 2012 11:21:45 GMT 3
Laughable. This is from a guy who has been named as a key instigatoras the guy at the apex of the network which formented the violenceby one of the main witnesses for the Prosecution. Sometimes I think we need a version of Poe's Law for Kenyan politics.
Te he he... I really look forward to your book on Kenya's PEV. It will be a best-seller. I think you are the only one with credible evidence and a brain for analysis. I can only imagine your frustration that few, who matter, seem to share your views and theories.
You're too kind. Still, that's not true. In 2008, I pointed out that the violence was organised, and that there would be trials. If you look in the Jukwaa archives, you'll find praise and defence of the violence; arguments that the violence was spontaneous; and claims that there was insufficient evidence to put anyone on trialindeed, mockery of the very possibility of trials. Things have changed: my views, which were dismissed as politically-motivated fantasy at the time, are now sober reality.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 12:02:33 GMT 3
Of course this is a lie. Just like many other lies from DW. But I have come to expect no less from the Uhuru and Ruto brigade.
No, actually it isn't. Here's the assertion:
Crimes against humanity are worse than murder. Yet these suspects of crimes against humanity remain free to traverse the country holding ‘prayer meetings’ – while Kenyan suspects of the lesser crime of murder conduct their prayers only behind the forbidding walls of Kamiti Maximum Security Prison, often for years before their cases are heard,
and that makes it pretty clear that he thinks they ought to be in jail. That is, Ruto and Uhuru are charged with crimes against humanity. Since other Kenyans are detained for less serious crimes, and since there is credible evidence against Ruto and Uhuru, they ought to be in jail. The reasoning in the passage is clear, and the statement was put out under the Prime Minister's name, paid for by a body associated with him, and it has been followed by similar claims. You'll want to withdraw the claim that I lied in your own time.DW, I have a lot of respect for you. I would not call you a liar lightly. Perhaps you simply misunderstood what you were reading. You should have said it was your own extrapolation, reasoning and analysis of what he thought rather than what he actually said. You are now talking of the PM's 'thinking' which was not expressed. My own reading of that statement is that the PM is making a factual observation regarding what would happen with lesser crimes in Kenya. Any lawyer would agree. The PM has not expressed an opinion as to whether that is what he wants to happen with regard to these trials. Plainly he did not call for any arrests. In fact even Uhuru's eloquent counsel, QC Kay would easily make the same observation as the PM as matter of legal fact. I actually expect he has expressed this to his client. However, he would not be calling for the arrest of his client by any stretch. What you have done is to try and conclude what PM Raila must have been thinking based on a reasoning process. You should call it your interpretation. Incidentally, my own reasoning of what the PM meant is different: the PM is simply trying to remind the culprits of the gravity of the crimes given the their cavalier attitudes. But he did not say this. I would be lying if I insisted that he did. I fully expect that you will now agree with me.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 12:08:11 GMT 3
Te he he... I really look forward to your book on Kenya's PEV. It will be a best-seller. I think you are the only one with credible evidence and a brain for analysis. I can only imagine your frustration that few, who matter, seem to share your views and theories.
You're too kind. Still, that's not true. In 2008, I pointed out that the violence was organised, and that there would be trials. If you look in the Jukwaa archives, you'll find praise and defence of the violence; arguments that the violence was spontaneous; and claims that there was insufficient evidence to put anyone on trialindeed, mockery of the very possibility of trials. Things have changed: my views, which were dismissed as politically-motivated fantasy at the time, are now sober reality.I agree with you that evidence has led us here. It is a rather interesting phenomenon that those who opposed home-grown trials in favour of the ICC are defendants at the Hague. I'm willing to accept the position that knowing what they may have done, they thought like your Jukwaa detractors, and mocked the possibility of trials at the Hague. Really what goes around comes around,
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Post by kamalet on Mar 13, 2012 14:02:15 GMT 3
Either Raila continues with his streak of being an idiot or someone is really advising him badly. Kamale, relax. I don't understand why you are boiling and almost bursting your veins because of this. Be civil. Logically, you should be rejoicing when Raila is goofing. Yet this seems like raw anger from you. I suspect Raila is doing something you did not want or expect. RR After hiding for a considerable period I see you are back to help salvage the ship.....lol Seriously the anger I have is that anyone can let Raila take this route as a political strategy. It is seriuosly dumb! dumb!!. It will back fire on him if he is not careful...that is all I can say
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 14:11:56 GMT 3
2 statements in 48 hours? Is this a case of Dennis Onyango not wanting to be outshone by Salim Lone or a hint of something more sinister? Well, well Mr. Theorist. It does not matter that both statements came from and were signed by the same source, does it? It does not matter than one is a follow-up on the other; a response to reactions? RR, actually it doesn't matter. The former released after the G7's appeals failed seems to cast judgement on the duo, whether justifiable or not, before their court case has been heard. The latter was then hastily drafted to make political capital out of their predicament. Time will tell if Raila's "your either with us, or against us" moment works or comes back to haunt him.
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 14:26:57 GMT 3
Lincoln, Raila has been under siege of late by Mudavadi as Kamale alludes to above. He had to ward off that internal challenge to his leadership. Isitoshe, the G7 lads have been upping the ante against him. Most people can take ad hominem attacks for only so long before they lash out in response. To put the icing on the cake, Kibaki still showed him disrespect by not consulting him on the cop appointments a few days after sending mixed signals on the date for the GE. All that may have pushed him over the edge to start working towards scuttling the GCG. Go on bwana PM....tear down this government! Mr. Theorist, there you go again. You need to take a deep breath. Chill. It does not help to throw everything into a mix and jump into ridiculous conclusions without any evidence or analysis. Think for yourself - Kamale is not your mother. Why don't you try accepting the truth as is evident? A transparent forgery was brought by Uhuru and Ruto to parliament dragging the PM's name along with the President and the UK government. It was part of a wider strategy. The PM reacted and called them out. That is it. Sometimes it is as simple as that. No governments are being collapsed. Mudavadi still woke up this morning all rosy. Raila has been under 'siege' for many decades. It all has nothing to do with the price of beer or what Mutula Kilonzo had for breakfast. Sheesh! So if Kamale's my mother because I agree with him are we to take it Lincoln's your mother given your limp prophylactic addendum to his position? Forgeries aside, you need to wake up to the reality that Raila will never see the inside of State House except as he always has, as a guest of the president of the day. Raila has been under siege for many decades & will remain so until he comes to terms with the reality that as PM, a mere heartbeat away from the presidency, will be as good as it will ever get for him. Like father, like son. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 14:33:40 GMT 3
I salute Raila Odinga for the steadfastness. This is leadership. Leadership is not about spending endless hours stoking ethnic fervour. It is about outlining clear visions and principles for national unity and development... and sticking to them regardless. Tell that to the victims mowed down by his "kabila adui" policy taken to its extreme. Hundreds who weren't even members of the so called adui tribe were collateral damage in the ethnically chauvanistic attacks launched by ODM lieutenants & footsoldiers in '07 to '08.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 15:10:51 GMT 3
Kamale, relax. I don't understand why you are boiling and almost bursting your veins because of this. Be civil. Logically, you should be rejoicing when Raila is goofing. Yet this seems like raw anger from you. I suspect Raila is doing something you did not want or expect. RR Seriously the anger I have is that anyone can let Raila take this route as a political strategy. It is seriuosly dumb! dumb!!. It will back fire on him if he is not careful...that is all I can sayKamale, if i was getting a dollar for the many times 'Raila's strategy' was backfiring, I would be a millionaire. Seriously, I still do not see how Raila's strategy being 'dumb' and 'backfiring' is something that makes you so angry.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 13, 2012 15:13:14 GMT 3
RR Seriously the anger I have is that anyone can let Raila take this route as a political strategy. It is seriuosly dumb! dumb!!. It will back fire on him if he is not careful...that is all I can sayKamale, if i was getting a dollar for the many times 'Raila's strategy' was backfiring, I would be a millionaire. Seriously, I still do not see how Raila's strategy being 'dumb' and 'backfiring' is something that makes you so angry. I supposed you expect me to rolling in laughterand happiness at this goof. Unfortunately I get angry at anyone I expect not to act nso foolishly. Do grant me that ...kindly sir
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 15:21:23 GMT 3
Forgeries aside, you need to wake up to the reality that Raila will never see the inside of State House except as he always has, as a guest of the president of the day. Raila has been under siege for many decades & will remain so until he comes to terms with the reality that as PM, a mere heartbeat away from the presidency, will be as good as it will ever get for him. Like father, like son. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride b6k - i am of course quite silly to imagine that there will be an election to determine president. silly me. but all this is besides the point. Raila may not be president, that is what we have been trying to tell you. Certainly, not if you have to remain silent in the face of forgery, tribalism and impunity to 'live in state house' The presidency is not an end in itself. That is why we are smiling here. We have been slowly but surely achieving the objectives that we set out to achieve, regardless of Kibaki being president. That will continue irrespective of who is president in 2013. Still it may be Agwambo - progress will be faster in that case. BTW - I like this transparent b6k!
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