|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 10:45:57 GMT 3
Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on Monday told politicians to stop issuing comments which could deny the Ocampo Four a fair trial in the International Criminal Court. In a statement that appeared to be directed at the Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Mr Mudavadi said those issuing inflammatory comments were doing injustice to Mr Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Francis Muthaura and Joshua Sang, who are facing criminal charges at the ICC. Fair hearing “This is a serious and weighty matter which should be left alone so that the suspects can be given a fair hearing,” he said when he addressed Kirinyaga County delegates at Roswam hotel in Kerugoya Town. Mr Mudavadi said he would like to see a just judicial process free of any influence. Mr Odinga was on Sunday reported to have said Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto should be in jail over crimes against humanity. Mr Mudavadi dismissed as untrue rumours that he was planning to abandon ODM. “I’m in ODM and whatever is being rumoured is false,” he said. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Mudavadi+warns+on+ICC+talk+/-/1064/1365188/-/mwivp5z/-/index.html |
|
|
|
Post by Mobimba on Mar 13, 2012 11:06:20 GMT 3
If Mudavadi truly cared for the O4, he would, like Raila, denounce those who forged the UK letter.
It is the forgers who will deny the O4 a fair trial.
|
|
|
|
Post by phil on Mar 13, 2012 11:12:43 GMT 3
Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on Monday told politicians to stop issuing comments which could deny the Ocampo Four a fair trial in the International Criminal Court. In a statement that appeared to be directed at the Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Mr Mudavadi said those issuing inflammatory comments were doing injustice to Mr Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Francis Muthaura and Joshua Sang, who are facing criminal charges at the ICC. Fair hearing �This is a serious and weighty matter which should be left alone so that the suspects can be given a fair hearing,� he said when he addressed Kirinyaga County delegates at Roswam hotel in Kerugoya Town. Mr Mudavadi said he would like to see a just judicial process free of any influence. Mr Odinga was on Sunday reported to have said Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto should be in jail over crimes against humanity. Mr Mudavadi dismissed as untrue rumours that he was planning to abandon ODM. �I�m in ODM and whatever is being rumoured is false,� he said. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Mudavadi+warns+on+ICC+talk+/-/1064/1365188/-/mwivp5z/-/index.htmlSo it is now wieghty and sensitive merely because the Prime Minister is courageous enough to call them out? It was never sensitive when Sonko, Waititu and others were running riot at G-7 prayer hate rallies. It was never weighty and sensitive when Charles Kilonzo was tabling forged documents in parliament? Welcome to the deluded world of Musalia Mudavadi, where contradicting his party leader is the order of the day. Musalia Mudavadi is trying to be politically ingenious but ends up being openly biased. Look at his audience, consider the promises he has received from the G-7 and the false belief that he actually can be elected president of Kenya. |
|
|
|
Post by genius on Mar 13, 2012 11:15:30 GMT 3
Hahaha. This is getting comical. I can almost predict Mudavadi's next move.
Expect to him soon at the Uhuruto prayer rallies. Followed closely by numerous complaints about dictatorship in ODM then a melodramatic defection. Watch this space.
|
|
|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 11:18:14 GMT 3
|
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 11:29:54 GMT 3
Nowayhaha, your conception of leadership as conveyed by your chosen title is childish, narrow-minded and myopic. A simplistic statement made out of ignorance and likely from political estimation, does not make one a leader. The regular calls to 'cool temperatures' even when we should urge outrage is to blame for the increasing tolerance for impunity and the general spinelessness among the Kenyan elite.
However, several things are interesting:
1. Mudavadi is not talking about justice for the victims. He is more interested in 'avoiding injustice for the Ocampo 4'. Is that here his loyalties lie?
2. Over the past few months, Uhuru and Ruto have been shouting Raila's name everywhere. Prayer rally after prayer rally. Then they brought the forgeries. Mudavadi did not for any moment urge people to stop issuing 'inflammatory comments'. Yet he suddenly found his voice today? I cringe at the hypocrisy of it all.
3. If Mudavadi is trying to be 'the voice of reason' or the 'moderate' that is fine. That is how Moi was viewed. But Kenyans are much more cleverer than that. We saw how Moi quickly became a kleptocrat and dictator. That is why I prefer Raila: what you see is what you get. We will have to vet Mudavadi with the same brush strokes as everybody else.
4. In any case, a lesson for Mudavadi: Kalonzo Musyoka has not been successful with these katikati politics where you attempt to please everybody, issue bland statements and avoid taking sides on difficult issues. His image is in tatters. Kenyans want strong leaders who can make bold decisions based on principle rather than narrow ethnic and political demagoguery.
5. If Mudavadi wins the ODM presidential nominations; then he should be supported to the hilt by the party. He MUST be allowed free and fair contest. If he does NOT win, he must accept the results and stick to the party.
|
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 11:41:03 GMT 3
Boy, we have a difficult task on Jukwaa. Since you ask. It is the way diplomacy is conducted. The British are interested in maintaining good diplomatic relations. He will be personally assuring the government that it is indeed a forgery (even though our own experts have confirmed the same). He will restate that, other than seeing free and fair elections, his government has no other interest in the 2012 elections. He will be demanding investigation and arrest of those who created the forgery and endangered bilateral relations. He may ask for an apology. |
|
|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 11:53:54 GMT 3
Nowayhaha, your conception of leadership as conveyed by your chosen title is childish, narrow-minded and myopic. A simplistic statement made out of ignorance and likely from political estimation, does not make one a leader. The regular calls to 'cool temperatures' even when we should urge outrage is to blame for the increasing tolerance for impunity and the general spinelessness among the Kenyan elite. However, several things are interesting: 1. Mudavadi is not talking about justice for the victims. He is more interested in 'avoiding injustice for the Ocampo 4'. Is that here his loyalties lie? 2. Over the past few months, Uhuru and Ruto have been shouting Raila's name everywhere. Prayer rally after prayer rally. Then they brought the forgeries. Mudavadi did not for any moment urge people to stop issuing 'inflammatory comments'. Yet he suddenly found his voice today? I cringe at the hypocrisy of it all. 3. If Mudavadi is trying to be 'the voice of reason' or the 'moderate' that is fine. That is how Moi was viewed. But Kenyans are much more cleverer than that. We saw how Moi quickly became a kleptocrat and dictator. That is why I prefer Raila: what you see is what you get. We will have to vet Mudavadi with the same brush strokes as everybody else. 4. In any case, a lesson for Mudavadi: Kalonzo Musyoka has not been successful with these katikati politics where you attempt to please everybody, issue bland statements and avoid taking sides on difficult issues. His image is in tatters. Kenyans want strong leaders who can make bold decisions based on principle rather than narrow ethnic and political demagoguery. 5. If Mudavadi wins the ODM presidential nominations; then he should be supported to the hilt by the party. He MUST be allowed free and fair contest. If he does NOT win, he must accept the results and stick to the party. RR as you can see many Kenyans hold the same opinion .Sample this comment from DN Leadership. Temperament. National Unity above personal glorification. These are the values that make a president. Knowing when to talk, what to talk and how to talk. It's these must have qualities that Raila Odinga does not have. He is fortunate to have become PM. He is too caught up in himself to be trusted with power that requires care and humility. Mudavadi has shown the ability to rise above national divisive issues and in so doing expressed the high character of a good leader. I pick him over Raila any day |
|
|
|
Post by mzee on Mar 13, 2012 11:58:43 GMT 3
RR,
I agree.
Mudavadi is beating the same path that has been followed the likes of Kajudas. There is a feeling of Euphoria from the man’s camp that he is at the apex of his political career and has already vanquished the mighty RAO. Mudavadis handlers believe that doing or saying the opposite of what RAO says will endear them to the people. Even holding a together rally has become a sin for it will decelerate his walk to the top of ODM. That’s the math, hence the constant contradictions of RAO by Mudavadi lately.
Kenyans on the other hand are more than fed up with spineless leaders, who can’t talk straight nor tell the truth. Mudavadi thinks that akina Ruto might take him as a compromise candidate if he supports them in their acts of impunity and hatred. The more he shouts support for the thuggish mob the more Kenyans get disgusted at him. Being moderate means taking a clear stand and not standing with one foot in and one out on issues with the hope of garnering sympathy votes. It looks like Mudavadi is on the verge of making another politically fatal blunder. Look at Kajudas; nobody talks about him anymore that’s where the son of ingo is heading.
|
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 12:19:24 GMT 3
RR as you can see many Kenyans hold the same opinion .Sample this comment from DN I have, indeed, sampled that comment. I remain surprised that the 'many Kenyans' you are talking about are hardly reflected in opinion polls where Mudavadi has considerably polled below 3% (which is not significantly different from 0). I am however glad, he is an ODM leader. In addition, I have read the 10 comments on the story (you chose one). half are not reflective of your opinion. Let us say this, you appear to make conclusions and offer opinions based on an all too narrow set of factors and evidence. As a result you generate a lot of hot air. Please write a long ranging essay on Mudavadi discussing his pedigree and positions over the past 30 years. Let us know why he is 'The Leader'. Only then will I begin to take you seriously. |
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 12:22:50 GMT 3
RR, I agree. Mudavadi is beating the same path that has been followed the likes of Kajudas. There is a feeling of Euphoria from the man’s camp that he is at the apex of his political career and has already vanquished the mighty RAO. Mudavadis handlers believe that doing or saying the opposite of what RAO says will endear them to the people. Even holding a together rally has become a sin for it will decelerate his walk to the top of ODM. That’s the math, hence the constant contradictions of RAO by Mudavadi lately. Kenyans on the other hand are more than fed up with spineless leaders, who can’t talk straight nor tell the truth. Mudavadi thinks that akina Ruto might take him as a compromise candidate if he supports them in their acts of impunity and hatred. The more he shouts support for the thuggish mob the more Kenyans get disgusted at him. Being moderate means taking a clear stand and not standing with one foot in and one out on issues with the hope of garnering sympathy votes. It looks like Mudavadi is on the verge of making another politically fatal blunder. Look at Kajudas; nobody talks about him anymore that’s where the son of ingo is heading. Mzee; As David Axelrod likes to describe Mitt Romney; Musalia Mudavadi has no core. He need to man up and fight for the ODM ticket as Musalia Mudavadi. |
|
|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 12:27:48 GMT 3
Boy, we have a difficult task on Jukwaa. Since you ask. It is the way diplomacy is conducted. The British are interested in maintaining good diplomatic relations. He will be personally assuring the government that it is indeed a forgery (even though our own experts have confirmed the same). He will restate that, other than seeing free and fair elections, his government has no other interest in the 2012 elections. He will be demanding investigation and arrest of those who created the forgery and endangered bilateral relations. He may ask for an apology. RR, Thanks to Wikileaks the public atleast now know how "super powerS" create policies and decisions specially in regards to 3rd world countries . Something doesnt seem to add up from the UKs side since the "forged dossier" was leaked that is from Her Majesty's government doesn't comment on leaked information- (They went ahead and issued an official statement) to the Majesty's government not intending to further on the issue of the "forged documents ", nor undertake a running public commentary on the said unscrupulous agenda to sending a Minister responsible for ICC to Kenya and BTW its just next week and the public will know if it is true the UK is rooting for a Raila presidency thus for this reason considering to have Kibaki indicted and UhuRuto arrested before the elections thus rendering them ineligible to vie in the elections. It is well known why UK and US dont have a soft heart for Kibaki .Government contracts and tenders during his tenure/regime were awarded to East (read China e.t.c.) and not the west (read UK & US) and UhRuto having not made any assurances to UK & US that they will revert this they have only one man in Raila who they can bank on . |
|
|
|
Post by jules on Mar 13, 2012 12:35:32 GMT 3
I'm not surprised.Mudavadi is walking back to his natural home.Baba is assembling all his children for his election gameplan.How do you expect Mudavadi to be left out of the equation.He's probably acting on a brief from the Moi team.
Moi never forgave Raila for wrecking Kanu before the 2002 elections and payback time for him is now.By the way what did Uhuru mean when he told Tessie and his wife to continue staying together?
|
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 12:49:41 GMT 3
RR, Thanks to Wikileaks the public atleast now know how "super powerS" create policies and decisions specially in regards to 3rd world countries . Let me take you slowly NWHH (i hope you don't mind my shortening your longish name). If you want to quote Wikileaks then you perhaps will accept that Raila is unlikely to be the darling of the West. According to Wikileaks. The forgeries are based on a reading of wikileaks. But there are no atrocious spelling mistakes and poor grammer on wikileaks. There is no Kikuyu on Wikileaks or the UK government to say 'in right of this' instead of 'in light of this'. In short, if Wikileaks helps us see how the super powers create policy, it also helps us see how the document you rely on is forged. Incoherent. Yes, they normally do not comment on contents of 'leaked' documents. And note the part in bold - there is no minister 'in charge of the ICC' in the UK. The person coming is the under-secretary responsible for African affairs. It helps to command your facts NWHH. I have always though your (Uhuru and Ruto group) view is that having them at the ICC works against Raila. Can you decide which is which? Incidentally you have not read the forgery carefully. It talks of indicting Kibaki after the elections. Not before. In the spirit of patriotism, I should hope you will support the arrest of Uhuru and Ruto; and their jailing given evidence that they presided over serious crimes. I do not see anything wrong with that. Do you? You are clueless here. So I won't even bother. I think its part of the empty myth making. But this I will say: some things are not black and white. Supposing you were told that Raila has even more impeccable relations with the Chinese, then what will you say? Finally, NWHH - it was great to indulge you. I have to focus on other more rewarding pursuits. I hope you learnt a thing or two. Till next time. Cheers |
|
|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 14:34:50 GMT 3
RR, Thanks to Wikileaks the public atleast now know how "super powerS" create policies and decisions specially in regards to 3rd world countries . Let me take you slowly NWHH (i hope you don't mind my shortening your longish name). If you want to quote Wikileaks then you perhaps will accept that Raila is unlikely to be the darling of the West. According to Wikileaks. The forgeries are based on a reading of wikileaks. But there are no atrocious spelling mistakes and poor grammer on wikileaks. There is no Kikuyu on Wikileaks or the UK government to say 'in right of this' instead of 'in light of this'. In short, if Wikileaks helps us see how the super powers create policy, it also helps us see how the document you rely on is forged. Incoherent. Yes, they normally do not comment on contents of 'leaked' documents. And note the part in bold - there is no minister 'in charge of the ICC' in the UK. The person coming is the under-secretary responsible for African affairs. It helps to command your facts NWHH. I have always though your (Uhuru and Ruto group) view is that having them at the ICC works against Raila. Can you decide which is which? Incidentally you have not read the forgery carefully. It talks of indicting Kibaki after the elections. Not before. In the spirit of patriotism, I should hope you will support the arrest of Uhuru and Ruto; and their jailing given evidence that they presided over serious crimes. I do not see anything wrong with that. Do you? You are clueless here. So I won't even bother. I think its part of the empty myth making. But this I will say: some things are not black and white. Supposing you were told that Raila has even more impeccable relations with the Chinese, then what will you say? Finally, NWHH - it was great to indulge you. I have to focus on other more rewarding pursuits. I hope you learnt a thing or two. Till next time. Cheers RR As stated earlier the ODM claims of the document being forged does not rebut that UK government is considering indicting Kibaki and having UhuRuto jailed before elections thus paving way for a Raila presidency .How many documents have been forged worldwide in relation to UK government ? Why send a minister to Kenya to calm down the situation after the "forged documents " were "leaked" Here is the profile of Henry Bellingham- The minister coming to Kenya and one of his Key responsibility is - UN and the International Criminal Courtwww.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-ministers/henry-bellingham |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 15:27:00 GMT 3
Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on Monday told politicians to stop issuing comments which could deny the Ocampo Four a fair trial in the International Criminal Court. In a statement that appeared to be directed at the Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Mr Mudavadi said those issuing inflammatory comments were doing injustice to Mr Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Francis Muthaura and Joshua Sang, who are facing criminal charges at the ICC. Fair hearing “This is a serious and weighty matter which should be left alone so that the suspects can be given a fair hearing,” he said when he addressed Kirinyaga County delegates at Roswam hotel in Kerugoya Town. Mr Mudavadi said he would like to see a just judicial process free of any influence. Mr Odinga was on Sunday reported to have said Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto should be in jail over crimes against humanity. Mr Mudavadi dismissed as untrue rumours that he was planning to abandon ODM. “I’m in ODM and whatever is being rumoured is false,” he said. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Mudavadi+warns+on+ICC+talk+/-/1064/1365188/-/mwivp5z/-/index.htmlWhen I see what Mudavadi is up to I think of Judas Iscariot! I can't stand these kind of people. Seriously, I'd rather deal with straight up gangsters like O4 at least they are their true thuggish selves. People of Mudavadi's caliber are everywhere in the society, at work, in the home and just about everywhere you find people. No loyalty, just opportunism of the cheapest order that we've seen perfected by the likes of Kalonzo Musyoka. Imagine Mudavadi at this 11th hour pulling this on not just Raila, or ODM but Kenyans period. Kenyans who have worked so hard to make any iota of progress out of the hell hole that Kenyatta started digging us into and that has been perfected by Moi and now that man Kibaki. How dare he come out essentially defending Uhuru and Ruto who should as Raila corretly points out be put away where Kenyans will not have to worry about them for a long time. I will never again, no matter what happens now respect this man Mudavadi. I will always remember him as a wishy washy person that nobody can possibly take seriously or trust. This doesn't contradict my opinion that within ODM there should be transparency and that justice must be done and seen to be done! This however, doesn't mean that we should allow for the destruction of ODM! Here and everywhere else a party puts forth their best candidate for the highest office. That is in the best interest of any party even the nauseating Republicans of the USA. His presidential ambitions come before anything or anyone else including the well being of the country as a whole. He has now joined the chorus of those who are trying very very hard to invert the truth casting RAO as untrustworthy; with a penchant for betray which really is the truth about them. This man isn't presidential material unless Kenyans want to exercise the ultimate masochism. And no Mudavadi Kenyans will not vote you our very boring APM into State House!   |
|
|
|
Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 16:05:59 GMT 3
Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on Monday told politicians to stop issuing comments which could deny the Ocampo Four a fair trial in the International Criminal Court. In a statement that appeared to be directed at the Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Mr Mudavadi said those issuing inflammatory comments were doing injustice to Mr Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Francis Muthaura and Joshua Sang, who are facing criminal charges at the ICC. Fair hearing “This is a serious and weighty matter which should be left alone so that the suspects can be given a fair hearing,” he said when he addressed Kirinyaga County delegates at Roswam hotel in Kerugoya Town. Mr Mudavadi said he would like to see a just judicial process free of any influence. Mr Odinga was on Sunday reported to have said Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto should be in jail over crimes against humanity. Mr Mudavadi dismissed as untrue rumours that he was planning to abandon ODM. “I’m in ODM and whatever is being rumoured is false,” he said. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Mudavadi+warns+on+ICC+talk+/-/1064/1365188/-/mwivp5z/-/index.htmlWhen I see what Mudavadi is up to I think of Judas Iscariot! I can't stand these kind of people. Seriously, I'd rather deal with straight up gangsters like O4 at least they are their true thuggish selves. People of Mudavadi's caliber are everywhere in the society, at work, in the home and just about everywhere you find people. No loyalty, just opportunism of the cheapest order that we've seen perfected by the likes of Kalonzo Musyoka. Imagine Mudavadi at this 11th hour pulling this on not just Raila, or ODM but Kenyans period. Kenyans who have worked so hard to make any iota of progress out of the hell hole that Kenyatta started digging us into and that has been perfected by Moi and now that man Kibaki. How dare he come out essentially defending Uhuru and Ruto who should as Raila corretly points out be put away where Kenyans will not have to worry about them for a long time. I will never again, no matter what happens now respect this man Mudavadi. I will always remember him as a wishy washy person that nobody can possibly take seriously or trust. This doesn't contradict my opinion that within ODM there should be transparency and that justice must be done and seen to be done! This however, doesn't mean that we should allow for the destruction of ODM! Here and everywhere else a party puts forth their best candidate for the highest office. That is in the best interest of any party even the nauseating Republicans of the USA. His presidential ambitions come before anything or anyone else including the well being of the country as a whole. He has now joined the chorus of those who are trying very very hard to invert the truth casting RAO as untrustworthy; with a penchant for betray which really is the truth about them. This man isn't presidential material unless Kenyans want to exercise the ultimate masochism. And no Mudavadi Kenyans will not vote you our very boring APM into State House! Well said! |
|
|
|
Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2012 16:20:39 GMT 3
Exactly my sentiments KK and has been for a while...
When I see what Mudavadi is up to I think of Judas Iscariot! I can't stand these kind of people. Seriously, I'd rather deal with straight up gangsters like O4 at least they are their true thuggish selves. - 10 out of 10 for this
People of Mudavadi's caliber are everywhere in the society, at work, in the home and just about everywhere you find people. 10 out of 10 for this also..
Imagine Mudavadi at this 11th hour pulling this on not just Raila, or ODM but Kenyans period. Kenyans who have worked so hard to make any iota of progress out of the hell hole that Kenyatta started digging us into and that has been perfected by Moi and now that man Kibaki. 100% for this
|
|
|
|
Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 16:30:07 GMT 3
When I see what Mudavadi is up to I think of Judas Iscariot! I can't stand these kind of people. Seriously, I'd rather deal with straight up gangsters like O4 at least they are their true thuggish selves. People of Mudavadi's caliber are everywhere in the society, at work, in the home and just about everywhere you find people. No loyalty, just opportunism of the cheapest order that we've seen perfected by the likes of Kalonzo Musyoka. Imagine Mudavadi at this 11th hour pulling this on not just Raila, or ODM but Kenyans period. Kenyans who have worked so hard to make any iota of progress out of the hell hole that Kenyatta started digging us into and that has been perfected by Moi and now that man Kibaki. How dare he come out essentially defending Uhuru and Ruto who should as Raila corretly points out be put away where Kenyans will not have to worry about them for a long time. I will never again, no matter what happens now respect this man Mudavadi. I will always remember him as a wishy washy person that nobody can possibly take seriously or trust. This doesn't contradict my opinion that within ODM there should be transparency and that justice must be done and seen to be done! This however, doesn't mean that we should allow for the destruction of ODM! Here and everywhere else a party puts forth their best candidate for the highest office. That is in the best interest of any party even the nauseating Republicans of the USA. His presidential ambitions come before anything or anyone else including the well being of the country as a whole. He has now joined the chorus of those who are trying very very hard to invert the truth casting RAO as untrustworthy; with a penchant for betray which really is the truth about them. This man isn't presidential material unless Kenyans want to exercise the ultimate masochism. And no Mudavadi Kenyans will not vote you our very boring APM into State House! Well said! Hehehe. Whatever happened to Mudavadi supporting Raila if he wins & vice versa. Y'all are sounding as rabid as Clinton's supporters were against Obama. Rudisha mkono, guys & gals  |
|
|
|
Post by mangai on Mar 13, 2012 17:39:21 GMT 3
If Mudavadi truly cared for the O4, he would, like Raila, denounce those who forged the UK letter. It is the forgers who will deny the O4 a fair trial. The document could be forged as alleged by ODMers , but that does not rebut the fact that UK are considering having Kibaki indicted and UhuRuto arrested before elections to pave way for their preferred presidential candidate Raila. Else why send the UKs minister responsible for ICC to Kenya to calm the situation after the "leaked dosier".British High Commissioner in Nairobi also confirmed that Bellingham is expected in Nairobi on March 20 for a two-day official visit. "We can confirm that the FCO Minister for Africa Henry Bellingham will be visiting Kenya in March as part of a visit to the region.
"His visit has been planned for a while and is part of Britain’s ongoing engagement with Kenya across a full range of our shared interests," the statement said. Please see for yourselves that the Minister is not coming specifically because of the 'leaked' document but rather on a visit that had been planned earlier that will also take him to some other countries. Why come several days after the matter has already cooled down (and most probably forgotten) when he could do it now, if indeed that dossier was weighty? How about this from the Star Newspaper's 'Corridors of Power'? Could the controversial, fake document tabled in Parliament by Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo have been the work of some local blogger-journalists in the pay of one of the ICC suspects? Speculation is rife that the document was 'cooked' by two bloggers who were last week spotted at a beach hotel in Mombasa in the company of one of the suspects' close operatives. One of the bloggers was keen to have the story highlighted and was following the events in the House and calling newsrooms to give them a near-running update of the debate until Deputy Speaker Farah Maalim allowed the document to be tabled. |
|
emali
Full Member
Posts: 219
|
Post by emali on Mar 13, 2012 17:56:36 GMT 3
Hahaha. This is getting comical. I can almost predict Mudavadi's next move. Expect to him soon at the Uhuruto prayer rallies. Followed closely by numerous complaints about dictatorship in ODM then a melodramatic defection. Watch this space. ditto... |
|
|
|
Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2012 18:25:34 GMT 3
Boy, we have a difficult task on Jukwaa. Since you ask. It is the way diplomacy is conducted. The British are interested in maintaining good diplomatic relations. He will be personally assuring the government that it is indeed a forgery (even though our own experts have confirmed the same). He will restate that, other than seeing free and fair elections, his government has no other interest in the 2012 elections. He will be demanding investigation and arrest of those who created the forgery and endangered bilateral relations. He may ask for an apology. RR As you can see the plot thickens and as you correctly pointed out some things are not black and white
Britain's undersecretary in charge of Africa and the ICC Henry Bellingham will be in Kenya next week to meet leaders and shed light on the contents of the document.
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1365572/-/item/0/-/dip4fy/-/index.htmlMarende: House team has final say on 'leaked' document Speaker Kenneth Marende has said a House team will establish whether a document tabled in the House last week is genuine. In at ruling to a charged House, Mr Marende said the admissibility of the document alleging a UK plot to have President Kibaki indicted by the International Criminal Court could not be challenged. He said he was “satisfied” that his deputy Farah Maalim had “properly exercised his mind” in ascertaining that the document met the threshold of authenticity in the House, because it was dated and had a signature. “I leave it to the judgment of Kenyans, the leaders and the international community to decide what value they want to attach to that document. It is upon them to give that document the weight they think it deserves,” said Mr Marende. He thus left the matter to the House Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations which is investigating the matter. It is only after the committee is ready with the report and it presents it for debate that the matter will surface in the House. Prior to his ruling, Mr Marende had to dismiss queries raised by Ms Rachel Shebesh (nominated, ODM) who had led the calls to have the document expunged. He told Ms Shebesh that the National Security Intelligence Service was yet to speak on the authenticity of the document. When he appeared before the Defence and Foreign Relations Committee on Monday, Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetang’ula had said that the NSIS agency had “urged caution” regarding the document. The British Government has disowned the document as “not genuine”. The Speaker rejected the statement of the British High Commission tabled in the House because it was not dated and bore no signature. Ms Shebesh had tabled the British High Commission statement, but the Speaker told her that she had broken the rules of the House for which she was seeking the other document to be expunged from parliamentary records. Share This Story Share Related Stories * UK sends minister in ‘leaked’ papers row “I am afraid I cannot make that finding. I don’t think (Ms Shebesh) looked at the documents that she has tabled. It has no date, it is unsigned. It is of no value. I find this document completely worthless,” Mr Marende ruled. The Speaker said the NSIS had to meet the Defence and Foreign Relations team to shed light on the veracity of the document, and that the Minister of Foreign Affairs too had to personally “speak” on the matter regarding the “serious” contents of the document. “I can’t be guided by just mere allegations. We must proceed with caution. We can’t be a House that thrives on allegations,” he warned the MPs. “As to whether the document is a forgery or not, I really can’t say. I can’t determine that. There are other arms of government that can do that,” said Mr Marende. Effectively, what the Speaker did is to let the matter play out in the House and it will be decided based on the numbers of the MPs in the House. And for now, the G7 political alliance, in which Eldoret North MP William Ruto and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta sit in, commands considerable sway in the august House. As MPs canvassed the matter in the House, the Speaker had to wield the big stick and limit them not to use the floor of the House to make political statements or even to discuss the conduct of the British Government. Harun Mwau (Kilome), had alerted the Speaker about what he called “discrimination in the application and implementation of the Standing Orders” saying that when a document was laid in the House alleging that he was a drug-trafficker and a father-in-law to an MP in the House, there was no gag order for a substantive motion to discuss his fate or that of the other MPs mentioned. Mr Mwau wondered what all the fuss was regarding the document alleging a UK plot in investigating President Kibaki. He warned the Speaker that it would be consistent for him, should he choose to expunge the controversial document, also to go back and expunge the US dossier that implicated MPs in drug dealing. But Mr Marende said that he won’t be intimidated and said that it would be upon the House to determine the fate of the controversial document. Eugene Wamalwa (Saboti) who sits in the Defence and Foreign Relations Committee said the team had summoned the Director General of the NSIS, Major General Michael Gichangi, to shed light about what he knew regarding the document. The document has sparked political temperatures in the country, with Prime Minister Raila Odinga tearing into Mr Ruto and Mr Kenyatta over what he alleged was their plot to lay the groundwork for non-cooperation with the International Criminal Court. MPs had threatened to file a motion to discuss the content of the controversial document and the conduct of the British Government, but that too will now have to wait, because a House committee is seized of the matter. Britain's undersecretary in charge of Africa and the ICC Henry Bellingham will be in Kenya next week to meet leaders and shed light on the contents of the document. |
|
|
|
Post by mangai on Mar 13, 2012 18:38:47 GMT 3
'He thus left the matter to the House Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations which is investigating the matter. It is only after the committee is ready with the report and it presents it for debate that the matter will surface in the House.'
Mr. Adan Keynan, the Chairman of that House Committee was quoted yesterday as saying the Committee will travel to the UK and Hague (ICC) with a view to collecting more information on the 'dossier'. How much will these committee members earn during those foreign trips?
|
|
|
|
Post by Mobimba on Mar 13, 2012 18:55:11 GMT 3
'He thus left the matter to the House Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations which is investigating the matter. It is only after the committee is ready with the report and it presents it for debate that the matter will surface in the House.'Mr. Adan Keynan, the Chairman of that House Committee was quoted yesterday as saying the Committee will travel to the UK and Hague (ICC) with a view to collecting more information on the 'dossier'. How much will these committee members earn during those foreign trips? Great ruling by Marende. He's basically given the Uhuruto infested committee a rope to hang themselves. I do pray they actually make those trips to the UK and the ICC to ascertain the facts. I would really love to sit in one of those fact finding meetings esp. at the ICC. The goats will be presenting evidence of their very own efforts to scuttle the ICC process. |
|
|
|
Post by mzee on Mar 13, 2012 19:17:56 GMT 3
I can't believe that tax payers money is being used to investigate an obviously forged document, with some even intending to travel to the UK for this purpose.
|
|
