ALERT-ODM SETTING STAGE TO REFUSE ELECTION RESULTS

[nowayhaha]

Sample the following polarizing statements from ODM (Nyanza)leaders -

"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

"Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang’ echoed the Prime Minister’s sentiments and told the IEBC chairman Isaack Hassan that he had no mandate to declare the election date."

"He threatened to mobilize Parliament to remove Mr Hassan from office for overstepping his mandate."

www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Raila+insists+on+December+elections/-/1064/1368680/-/y0lfgcz/-/index.html

"Midiwo claimed IEBC had been compromised by Kibaki’s Party of National Unity and had overstepped its mandate. "

However, Raila and his allies insisted that elections must be held this year to avoid extending Kibaki’s term in office beyond the limit.

www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000054367&cid=4¤tPage=2

The manner in which the leaders are criticizing the IEBC is alarming .It shows that they don't have utmost respect for the independent body and portrays the true characters of the leaders in that if a decision is made to an effect it does not side with them then they wont respect the decision .

Just like in 2007 when they laid ground to cast the 2007 elections as rigged and later refusing to accept the results with claims of a "stolen " victory are doing it again by attacking the credibility of IEBC

Below are the 2007 events which culminated to refusal of ODM to accept the 2007 presidential election results

jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1503

www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1331677340/last-1331707668/ODM+Hate+campaign

[mank]

Mar 19, 2012 2:41:35 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Sample the following polarizing statements from ODM (Nyanza)leaders -

"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

...

Raila should have someone read the constitution thoroughly. We don't need the political crisis he's engineering with such an unconstitutional stand.

[mwalimumkuu]

Very true Nowayhaha. When I heard the Prime Minister refer to the Kenyan Court of Law as 'mahakama bandia', I was embarrassed to say the least.

I could not tell whether Raila ever thinks of himself as the Prime Minister of the country and whether he takes time to reflect on what he says in these barazas.

It is really a pity to have some of these guys as our leaders, they have no regard for protocol and obviously no respect for institutions as long as their positions are threatened.

But then his own mouth piece Ms. Elderkin reminded us recently that, this is normal for Raila, he has never believed that courts mean anything in his life. Kenya is at crossroads.

[OtishOtish]

Do you guys actually believe the things you write, or do you do write just to kill time and regardless of reality?

[mank]

Mar 19, 2012 3:27:12 GMT 3 OtishOtish said:

Do you guys actually believe the things you write, or do you do write just to kill time and regardless of reality?

I believe what I write, and I never write just to kill time or regardless of reality. I believe the other two posters on this thread would tell you the same.

What's your point?

[furaha]

Mar 19, 2012 2:58:20 GMT 3 mank said:

Raila should have someone read the constitution thoroughly. We don't need the political crisis he's engineering with such an unconstitutional stand.

Indeed....! One of his key advisors on the constitution was one Miguna Miguna who did a lot more for the document than many people on this board are willing to accept.... And quite often ODM MP's who were negotiating the draft did not listen to him either. The document is the result of compromise upon compromise and poor draftsmanship.

furaha

[joblesscorner]

Just look at who are making this sentiments, Otieno Kajwang, Midiwo. OPM needs good PR, not this kind of sentiments, it makes me seem he doesnt respect the rule of law.

[furaha]

Mar 19, 2012 3:27:12 GMT 3 OtishOtish said:

Do you guys actually believe the things you write, or do you do write just to kill time and regardless of reality?

Otishotish,

you might simply want to do your own research: read NARA and read the constitution!!

The problem with many folks, including the politicians who voted for the constitution (in which NARA has been anchored whether you like it or not), is that they never read what they voted for... They only went for 'highlights' such as the contentious clauses that the 'no-team' was advocating against: khadi courts, abortion and so on. One reason why so many are now out of their depth on the issue of devolution is because they have never read the relevant clauses.

furaha

[akinyi2005]

nowayhaha,

i think the title of your thread is unnecessarily alarmist. Isaack/IEBC made a proposal which i think was meant to provoke debate and possibly jolt the principals to give direction. Someone shared a clip (elsewhere)showing reactions to the march 4th 2013 proposal. some kenyans supported next year's date, others insisted on August this year, some December this year and one even suggested holding off elections until the ICC cases are resolved.

Kajwang' and jakoyo and others are free to rant just like everyone else. How does this translate to ODM preparing the ground to refuse 'results'. what results? do you know something that the rest of us don't?

BTW stop being selective. sample these exerpts from the same standard article :

At the same time Government Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo and Makadara MP Mike Mbuvi threatened to move to court to challenge IEBC’s action accusing the election administrator of overstepping its mandate.

Mbuvi and Midiwo separately said their lawyers were preparing to move to court on Monday (to challenge the IEBC decision).

Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Eldoret North MP William Ruto urged the IEBC to listen to the dissenting voice of Kenyans and consider another polls date, possibly in December this year.
He said the IEBC should learn from the mistakes of its predecessor, the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya and stop making unilateral decisions that are likely to invite confusion in the electoral process

Safina Party leader Paul Muite described IEBC’s move as "unlawful and suspect" give it only came days after Kibaki announced preference for a March 2013 date.

Muite argued Kibaki is in office courtesy of National Accord and Reconciliation Act, that created the coalition government, and his continued stay in office "would extend illegitimacy of the Coalition Government."

etc

[OtishOtish]

Raise your hand if you really believe this: "ODM SETTING STAGE TO REFUSE ELECTION RESULTS"

[nowayhaha]

Mar 19, 2012 5:02:33 GMT 3 akinyi2005 said:

nowayhaha,

i think the title of your thread is unnecessarily alarmist. Isaack/IEBC made a proposal which i think was meant to provoke debate and possibly jolt the principals to give direction. Someone shared a clip (elsewhere)showing reactions to the march 4th 2013 proposal. some kenyans supported next year's date, others insisted on August this year, some December this year and one even suggested holding off elections until the ICC cases are resolved.

Kajwang' and jakoyo and others are free to rant just like everyone else. How does this translate to ODM preparing the ground to refuse 'results'. what results? do you know something that the rest of us don't?

BTW stop being selective. sample these exerpts from the same standard article :

At the same time Government Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo and Makadara MP Mike Mbuvi threatened to move to court to challenge IEBC’s action accusing the election administrator of overstepping its mandate.

Mbuvi and Midiwo separately said their lawyers were preparing to move to court on Monday (to challenge the IEBC decision).

Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Eldoret North MP William Ruto urged the IEBC to listen to the dissenting voice of Kenyans and consider another polls date, possibly in December this year.
He said the IEBC should learn from the mistakes of its predecessor, the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya and stop making unilateral decisions that are likely to invite confusion in the electoral process

Safina Party leader Paul Muite described IEBC’s move as "unlawful and suspect" give it only came days after Kibaki announced preference for a March 2013 date.

Muite argued Kibaki is in office courtesy of National Accord and Reconciliation Act, that created the coalition government, and his continued stay in office "would extend illegitimacy of the Coalition Government."

etc

Akinyi,
As pointed our earlier its the manner in which they are criticizing the independent body and in particular the chairman Isaack Hassan . If they can go ahead and threat that they wont abide by the simple decision of IEBC what about when he announces the next president contrary to their expectations and wants ?

As for the excerpts of Ruto ,Kalonzo and Muite they have approached the situation in a sober manner unlike the threats of
-Raila -
"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

Otieno Kajwang -"Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang’ echoed the Prime Minister’s sentiments and told the IEBC chairman Isaack Hassan that he had no mandate to declare the election date."

"He threatened to mobilize Parliament to remove Mr Hassan from office for overstepping his mandate."


Midiwo -"Midiwo claimed IEBC had been compromised by Kibaki’s Party of National Unity and had overstepped its mandate. "

However, Raila and his allies insisted that elections must be held this year to avoid extending Kibaki’s term in office beyond the limit.

By ODM leaders (Nyanza) disrespecting the IEBC and its chair will their supporters respect the institution?

[Deleted]

Mar 19, 2012 16:25:49 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Mar 19, 2012 5:02:33 GMT 3 akinyi2005 said:

nowayhaha,

i think the title of your thread is unnecessarily alarmist. Isaack/IEBC made a proposal which i think was meant to provoke debate and possibly jolt the principals to give direction. Someone shared a clip (elsewhere)showing reactions to the march 4th 2013 proposal. some kenyans supported next year's date, others insisted on August this year, some December this year and one even suggested holding off elections until the ICC cases are resolved.

Kajwang' and jakoyo and others are free to rant just like everyone else. How does this translate to ODM preparing the ground to refuse 'results'. what results? do you know something that the rest of us don't?

BTW stop being selective. sample these exerpts from the same standard article :

At the same time Government Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo and Makadara MP Mike Mbuvi threatened to move to court to challenge IEBC’s action accusing the election administrator of overstepping its mandate.

Mbuvi and Midiwo separately said their lawyers were preparing to move to court on Monday (to challenge the IEBC decision).

Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Eldoret North MP William Ruto urged the IEBC to listen to the dissenting voice of Kenyans and consider another polls date, possibly in December this year.
He said the IEBC should learn from the mistakes of its predecessor, the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya and stop making unilateral decisions that are likely to invite confusion in the electoral process

Safina Party leader Paul Muite described IEBC’s move as "unlawful and suspect" give it only came days after Kibaki announced preference for a March 2013 date.

Muite argued Kibaki is in office courtesy of National Accord and Reconciliation Act, that created the coalition government, and his continued stay in office "would extend illegitimacy of the Coalition Government."

etc

Akinyi,
As pointed our earlier its the manner in which they are criticizing the independent body and in particular the chairman Isaack Hassan . If they can go ahead and threat that they wont abide by the simple decision of IEBC what about when he announces the next president contrary to their expectations and wants ?

As for the excerpts of Ruto ,Kalonzo and Muite they have approached the situation in a sober manner unlike the threats of
-Raila -
"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

Otieno Kajwang -"Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang’ echoed the Prime Minister’s sentiments and told the IEBC chairman Isaack Hassan that he had no mandate to declare the election date."

"He threatened to mobilize Parliament to remove Mr Hassan from office for overstepping his mandate."


Midiwo -"Midiwo claimed IEBC had been compromised by Kibaki’s Party of National Unity and had overstepped its mandate. "

However, Raila and his allies insisted that elections must be held this year to avoid extending Kibaki’s term in office beyond the limit.

By ODM leaders (Nyanza) disrespecting the IEBC and its chair will their supporters respect the institution?

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 19, 2012 17:46:52 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

Mar 19, 2012 16:25:49 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Akinyi,
As pointed our earlier its the manner in which they are criticizing the independent body and in particular the chairman Isaack Hassan . If they can go ahead and threat that they wont abide by the simple decision of IEBC what about when he announces the next president contrary to their expectations and wants ?

As for the excerpts of Ruto ,Kalonzo and Muite they have approached the situation in a sober manner unlike the threats of
-Raila -
"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

Otieno Kajwang -"Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang’ echoed the Prime Minister’s sentiments and told the IEBC chairman Isaack Hassan that he had no mandate to declare the election date."

"He threatened to mobilize Parliament to remove Mr Hassan from office for overstepping his mandate."


Midiwo -"Midiwo claimed IEBC had been compromised by Kibaki’s Party of National Unity and had overstepped its mandate. "

However, Raila and his allies insisted that elections must be held this year to avoid extending Kibaki’s term in office beyond the limit.

By ODM leaders (Nyanza) disrespecting the IEBC and its chair will their supporters respect the institution?

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

[Deleted]

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 19, 2012 17:46:52 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

mwalimumkuu

This still doesn't justify your lies that ODM is fanning the flames of discord with an eye on disrupting the forth coming elections. And if the forces of impunity rig Raila out again Kenyans have a right to protest and they will.

[reporter911]

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 19, 2012 17:46:52 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

mwalimumkuu by know you should be aware Kenyans are too intelligent to follow the Star Newspaper or other papers known for their propaganda .. (owned by those who wish to peddle lies) Go read the clauses regarding the Election in the New Constitution carefully like another member advised on here then make your own judgement instead of following newspapers.

As for 2007 Mayhem? Isn't ICC taking care of those who caused or were involved in the masacre of thousands of Innocent Kenyans?
I didn't see Raila's name on the list!!! did you?

[reporter911]

Mar 19, 2012 2:41:35 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Sample the following polarizing statements from ODM (Nyanza)leaders -

"Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday maintained that December 17 would be the date for the next general election."

"Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang’ echoed the Prime Minister’s sentiments and told the IEBC chairman Isaack Hassan that he had no mandate to declare the election date."

"He threatened to mobilize Parliament to remove Mr Hassan from office for overstepping his mandate."

www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Raila+insists+on+December+elections/-/1064/1368680/-/y0lfgcz/-/index.html

"Midiwo claimed IEBC had been compromised by Kibaki’s Party of National Unity and had overstepped its mandate. "

However, Raila and his allies insisted that elections must be held this year to avoid extending Kibaki’s term in office beyond the limit.

www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000054367&cid=4¤tPage=2

The manner in which the leaders are criticizing the IEBC is alarming .It shows that they don't have utmost respect for the independent body and portrays the true characters of the leaders in that if a decision is made to an effect it does not side with them then they wont respect the decision .

Just like in 2007 when they laid ground to cast the 2007 elections as rigged and later refusing to accept the results with claims of a "stolen " victory are doing it again by attacking the credibility of IEBC

Below are the 2007 events which culminated to refusal of ODM to accept the 2007 presidential election results

jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1503

www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1331677340/last-1331707668/ODM+Hate+campaign

Yup!! following Kibaki's & his cronies announcement for elections to be held in March 2013.. the Old man wants to stay in Power until death.. kwani he thinks statehouse belongs to him? he even invited Mungiki to Statehouse at one time.. " he is above the law he says" and everyone else is a kumpavu!!!

How can Kenya hold elections in March? As it was mentioned..

1. Schools and Universities are still open
2. Farmers are in the fields planting crop

The people that decided on March 2013 date did not think it through..
to them any date in 2013 was acceptable than Holding elections in December 2012 was good enough for them..January, March, or any date in 2013 was all they were seeking without any regards to what Wanaichi are doing in those hectic months
Bure Kabisa..

[mugabe]

Really silly title for this thread. This guy with a juvenile moniker needs to tone down the rhetoric.

[b6k]

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 19, 2012 17:46:52 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

Mwalimumkuu, CJ Mutunga has lashed out at Raila for disrespecting the court. As a senior member of the executive & a "creature of the law" his statements in Kisii were unfortunate. The CJ has termed Raila's comments as representing "executive impunity" & has requested he be more of a democrat

Sadly I happen to back Raila on this issue so I hope he can take the battle to his co-principal...with a little more tact.

[Onyango Oloo]

Mar 19, 2012 2:41:35 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

The manner in which the leaders are criticizing the IEBC is alarming .It shows that they don't have utmost respect for the independent body and portrays the true characters of the leaders in that if a decision is made to an effect it does not side with them then they wont respect the decision .

Just like in 2007 when they laid ground to cast the 2007 elections as rigged and later refusing to accept the results with claims of a "stolen " victory are doing it again by attacking the credibility of IEBC

This is a sample of the twisted, misleading dishonest scaremongering tactics that do not belong in Jukwaa. Many of us were very active on this forum when Kibaki and his acolytes staged their infamous 2007 coup.

Here is something I wrote at the time:

mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2008/oloo100108.html

Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya

[einstein]

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 19, 2012 17:46:52 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

nowayhaha

Like Akinyi says the heading is alarmist and yes unnecessarily so!

Kajwang and Raila aren't the only people in Kenya to say that IEBC doesn't have the power to set the election date. Then Midiwo says that the organization has been compromised by Kibaki forces. Where exactly is the threat that you're harping on?

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

Mwalimumkuu,

I think you are intentionally misleading this board.

The lifespan of NARA and hence the lifespan of both the offices of the president and prime minister is not hinged on the lifespan of parliament but rather on the date both the president and the PM either agree in writing to end the lifespan of the coalition government or latest by the time the next president is sworn in under the new constitution of Kenya! Or did I miss something?

Can Mwalimumkuu prove me wrong please?

[Omwenga]

Mar 19, 2012 5:02:33 GMT 3 akinyi2005 said:

nowayhaha,

i think the title of your thread is unnecessarily alarmist. Isaack/IEBC made a proposal which i think was meant to provoke debate and possibly jolt the principals to give direction. Someone shared a clip (elsewhere)showing reactions to the march 4th 2013 proposal. some kenyans supported next year's date, others insisted on August this year, some December this year and one even suggested holding off elections until the ICC cases are resolved.

Kajwang' and jakoyo and others are free to rant just like everyone else. How does this translate to ODM preparing the ground to refuse 'results'. what results? do you know something that the rest of us don't?

BTW stop being selective. sample these exerpts from the same standard article :

At the same time Government Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo and Makadara MP Mike Mbuvi threatened to move to court to challenge IEBC’s action accusing the election administrator of overstepping its mandate.

Mbuvi and Midiwo separately said their lawyers were preparing to move to court on Monday (to challenge the IEBC decision).

Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Eldoret North MP William Ruto urged the IEBC to listen to the dissenting voice of Kenyans and consider another polls date, possibly in December this year.
He said the IEBC should learn from the mistakes of its predecessor, the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya and stop making unilateral decisions that are likely to invite confusion in the electoral process

Safina Party leader Paul Muite described IEBC’s move as "unlawful and suspect" give it only came days after Kibaki announced preference for a March 2013 date.

Muite argued Kibaki is in office courtesy of National Accord and Reconciliation Act, that created the coalition government, and his continued stay in office "would extend illegitimacy of the Coalition Government."

etc

Akinyi,

It's always refreshing and quite frankly very encouraging and promising for the Kenya we must have to read views such as yours in the midst of others its obvious what their authors clamor for and that is divisiveness and/or perpetuation of hatred.

When it comes to PEV, there are three things we know or must believe in if we are Kenyans who love our country at all:

First, never shall we have another PEV in Kenya; at least that's got to be the resolve of all peace loving Kenyans which I would venture to say is the vast majority of Kenyans.

Second, despite our resolve not to have a repeat of PEV, there are obviously those bent on getting us there regardless and recklessly so and among those I will not count those expressing their opposition to having elections in 2013 as opposed to 2012 for the two are as disconnected as any two can be and its frightening anyone can make such a connection.

Third, the most dangerous Kenyans are not the ones who physically harm others but those who incite them and forment hatred and division and its a shame many among those are the so called educated and informed among us.

In an article published by the Standard, www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000047520&cid=507&story=Shout%20out%20if%20my%20wish%20list%20is%20similar%20to%20yours, I spelled out 10 promises I truly believe if we as Kenyans uphold, we shall see ourselves ushering in a new government to take us to new heights in governance but also a transformation of ourselves as Kenyans beyond what may appear impossible to others but is not.

It's all about our individual desires and drive; do we want a Kenya better for all Kenyans or one better for our narrow, selfish needs not knowing the latter has always been and will continue to be a dumb proposition for no amount of selfish gain can bring with it any happiness or peace of mind when the rest of the country is suffering.

This is the mistake our politicians have made for decades and we are witnessing being repeated by some as if these dimwits never learn from history or don't care.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 19, 2012 21:33:25 GMT 3 einstein said:

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

Mwalimumkuu,

I think you are intentionally misleading this board.

The lifespan of NARA and hence the lifespan of both the offices of the president and prime minister is not hinged on the lifespan of parliament but rather on the date both the president and the PM either agree in writing to end the lifespan of the coalition government or latest by the time the next president is sworn in under the new constitution of Kenya! Or did I miss something?

Can Mwalimumkuu prove me wrong please?

This is what the accord says in part:

The Prime Minister will be an elected member of the National Assembly and the parliamentary leader of the largest party in the National Assembly, or of a coalition, if the largest party does not command a majority.

Even more significant:

The coalition will be dissolved if the Tenth Parliament is dissolved; or if the parties agree in writing; or if one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition.[/i]

(4) The office of the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister shall become vacant only if -
(a) the holder of the office dies, resigns or ceases to be a member of the National
Assembly otherwise than by reason of the dissolution of Parliament; or
(b) the National Assembly passes a resolution which is supported by a majority of
all the members of the National Assembly excluding the ex-officio members and of which not less than seven days notice has been given declaring that the National Assembly has no confidence in the Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister, as the case may be; or
(c) the coalition is dissolved.


Join the dots and draw your conclusion.

[Omwenga]

Mar 19, 2012 20:17:37 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

mwalimumkuu

This still doesn't justify your lies that ODM is fanning the flames of discord with an eye on disrupting the forth coming elections. And if the forces of impunity rig Raila out again Kenyans have a right to protest and they will.

KK,

You have have taken words out of my mouth regarding those mistakenly believing the country will accept another massive rigging or even any serious rigging.

Let's all call for and expect as an open and transparent general election as is expected and nothing less and those scheming or dreaming for anything otherwise shall be miserably disappointed and rightfully so.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 19, 2012 21:17:46 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mar 19, 2012 19:33:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Here you go, read in between the lines.

the-star.co.ke/national/national/67421-why-kibaki-may-be-in-office-till-august-2013

Then there is the little thing that NARA dies automatically at the end of this parliament January 14th 2013. This means that the offices of the PM and DPMs will cease to exist forthwith.

This is what is causing Raila and his close friends to piss on themselves and force elections earlier than provided for by the katiba and if need be cause mayhem like they did in 07.

Mwalimumkuu, CJ Mutunga has lashed out at Raila for disrespecting the court. As a senior member of the executive & a "creature of the law" his statements in Kisii were unfortunate. The CJ has termed Raila's comments as representing "executive impunity" & has requested he be more of a democrat

Sadly I happen to back Raila on this issue so I hope he can take the battle to his co-principal...with a little more tact.

B6K,

The stud-man was right to call out his fellow reformer. It very sickening to see a man of PMs stature disparage institutions such as the national courts like that, yet he want to be president.

Whereas the stud-man understands fully what position he holds, the street has never left his friend, if you saw those fellows who were beating up everyone else at nyayo stadium yesterday.

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Mar 19, 2012 21:51:05 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 19, 2012 21:33:25 GMT 3 einstein said:

Mwalimumkuu,

I think you are intentionally misleading this board.

The lifespan of NARA and hence the lifespan of both the offices of the president and prime minister is not hinged on the lifespan of parliament but rather on the date both the president and the PM either agree in writing to end the lifespan of the coalition government or latest by the time the next president is sworn in under the new constitution of Kenya! Or did I miss something?

Can Mwalimumkuu prove me wrong please?

This is what the accord says in part:

The Prime Minister will be an elected member of the National Assembly and the parliamentary leader of the largest party in the National Assembly, or of a coalition, if the largest party does not command a majority.

Even more significant:

The coalition will be dissolved if the Tenth Parliament is dissolved; or if the parties agree in writing; or if one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition.

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(4) The office of the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister shall become vacant only if -
(a) the holder of the office dies, resigns or ceases to be a member of the National
Assembly otherwise than by reason of the dissolution of Parliament; or
(b) the National Assembly passes a resolution which is supported by a majority of
all the members of the National Assembly excluding the ex-officio members and of which not less than seven days notice has been given declaring that the National Assembly has no confidence in the Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister, as the case may be; or
(c) the coalition is dissolved.


Join the dots and draw your conclusion.
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This is the problem when people try to fish for anything to suit their narrow agenda. You are forced to keep jumping from one thing to the other and engage in all sorts of quackery.

The transition clauses protect the executive in the GCG. The government will continue to work until the General Elections are held. The entire cabinet is protected under that clause and the dissolution of parliament has no impact on that otherwise Kibaki would have to run the government all by himself.

Even if Raila and Kibaki were to agree to dissolve the GCG tomorrow or any other day the election would be held in 60 days from that date, while the two principals and the cabinet will still hold office. That is why the court told the two principals they can dissolve the GCG and have elections in 60 days. Did somebody think in those sixty days there will be no government?

The nightmare for these "Raila ate my homework" chaps is that it is Raila 24-7. No common sense. No basic reasoning. Just wake up and think "why would I hate Raila today". Oh dear. That must be a waste of brain cells. There has to be something out there people can do.

The IEBC messed up jumping into politics. They should simply have waited for the court ruling which could be coming this week. The IEBC has no mandate to "fix" election dates. Their only job is to announce it. The same Hassan dude was the one arguing before that election in August is impossible because the schools will be open. Now he wants to please Kibaki and gives the old geezer the date he wants. The IEBC should jealously guard their independence. That is what they need the most. Don't go around getting trapped in partisan politics.