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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 23, 2007 23:17:40 GMT 3
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Post by dubois on Apr 24, 2007 2:35:37 GMT 3
I agree that this is over the top especially in an election year. But I think our legal system has been deficient in dealing with politicians, irrespective of party affiliation, who recklessly incite violence and other criminal activities . Ali could actually be on to something but I think the timing is wrong. Everyone will read politics in the new measures.
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 24, 2007 2:41:05 GMT 3
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Post by aeichener on Apr 24, 2007 2:43:26 GMT 3
Well, I wonder whether it's just an especially heavy case of foot-in-mouth-disease with Commissioner Ali, or a newspaper reporting and rendering in a slanted way, or whether it's already the banana republic syndrome. Of course Dubois is right in his assessment, on both counts.
Alexander
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Apr 24, 2007 5:48:09 GMT 3
Ali is poddling in a legal minefield. I find the Kenya Times commentary below on the legal position of his announcement very informative. It seems to me he has no leg to stand on enforcing such ridiculuos directives, anyway. www.timesnews.co.ke/24april07/nwsstory/news7.html |
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 24, 2007 6:21:07 GMT 3
I think it is rather too late for Kibaki to impose a police state on Kenyans. It is NOT viable.
Adongo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 24, 2007 8:32:45 GMT 3
Watching the Ali press conference on TV last night, I could not wait for the papers this morning to see how they would twist the story. Here is what the man said verbatim and as quoted by the Kenya Times:
[b]"...I wish to caution all politicians that nobody is allowed to make provocative, insulting or in any way demeaning utterances against his opponents, and particularly, against the Head of State,”[/b][/color]
If you ask me this is a fair requirement. No one has talked about it being wrong to criticise the president or the government, the edict is against provocative, insulting and in any way demeaning utterances
There is no reason for Mungatana calling Raila names to score points and vice versa, it is a shame we have to be taught basic tenets of democratic tenets by the Kenya Police!
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Post by aeichener on Apr 24, 2007 10:56:35 GMT 3
Crimen laesae maiestatis ?
A.
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 24, 2007 14:43:39 GMT 3
Kamale
Under these new rules is Kibaki still allowed to insult Kenyans? That man cannot make a speech without referring to his opponents and those who don't agree with him as "Wapumbavu", "useless bastards", "mavi ya kuku" etc
What are they going to do? Wash the old man's mouth with tons of omo every day before he goes to the rallies or may be after the rallies? State House would be awash with omo. I would love to have that tender to supply Mzee with antipumbavu mouth wash. Let me know if my services will be needed.
These guys are panicking too early. The police have to stay out of elections, provide security for all and Kenyans have shown they cherish peaceful elections.
Adongo
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Post by aeichener on Apr 24, 2007 15:54:31 GMT 3
Adongo's cheeky question evokes in me a famous line by Bertolt Brecht, written after the East German uprising of 1953, in his poem "The Solution". I shall give the English translation:
"[...some functionary proclaiming] that the People have forfeited the trust of the Government and could win it back only through working doubly as hard.
Would it not be easier then, if the Government dissolved the People, and elected a new one?"
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Post by adongo12345 on Apr 25, 2007 0:34:15 GMT 3
Kamale:As you can see even Ali is in trouble, if not outrightly confused with the orders from above. What to do now? Adongo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 26, 2007 13:56:43 GMT 3
Adongo,
He does have other supporters in the name of Kivuitu. But that is not what is important.
What Ali said was what any civilised lot of people would do in a mature democracy. But look at all of you coming here condemning Ali for reminding you how to behave yourselves. It is sad that those making the loudest noises are those who live in mature democracies where the rubbish you hear from the likes of Raila and Mungatana and even Kibaki would be unheard off.
That is why my last line talked of the shame of Kenyans being taugh democratic behaviour by the POLICE of all people!
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Post by 50cents on Apr 26, 2007 18:57:47 GMT 3
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