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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 24, 2012 11:50:46 GMT 3
I subscribe to a mailing list called "Communist University". This is a comment from "VC" as in "Vice Chancellor" followed by an article from the Washington Post:
Coup d’État in Mali Amadou Toumani Touré the President of Mali, has been removed in a coup d’état. Amadou Toumani Touré, when he was an army General, himself led a coup d’état that, on 26 March 1991, secured a “regime change” of the then President Moussa Traoré, who had been accused of “killing his own people”. Moussa Traoré, also an army General, had come to power in a previous coup d’état against Mali’s liberation President, Modibo Keita, the self-declared socialist who had led the country to independence in 1960. Both Amadou Toumani Touré and, before him, Moussa Traoré, had their positions legalised after their coups by subsequent “elections”, and were welcomed among the so-called “international community”. Coup d’état of 22 March 2012 no different
There is as yet no reason to believe that the coup d’état of 22 March 2012 is any different in political content from the previous two coups d’état in Mali. That is to say, it will not disturb the neo-colonial nature of the Malian polity, but will, on the contrary, serve to perpetuate neo-colonialism. This is the main on-going function of the army in the typical neo-colonial state, while the periodic coups d’état serve as a “succession” mechanism, and the elections as a sanitation, or a whitewashing, mechanism. There are thousands of English-language stories on the Internet today about yesterday’s coup in Mali. The majority of them are from the USA. None of them have any useful political or historical content. We will therefore remain with the above brief summary until better material is available. We hope to be able to publish first-hand, original texts from Mali, and if available, journalism from elsewhere that is informed by history and by an understanding of the trajectory of Imperialism in Africa at this time. Leader of Mali military coup trained in U.S.
Craig Whitlock, Washington Post, USA, 24 March 2012 From: www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/leader-of-mali-military-coup-trained-in-us/2012/03/23/gIQAS7Q6WS_story.html The leader of a military coup in the West African country of Mali received military training in the United States on “several” occasions, a U.S. defense official said Friday. Capt. Amadou Haya Sanogo, who led a renegade military faction that on Thursday deposed Mali’s democratically elected president, visited the United States several times to receive professional military education, including basic officer training, said Patrick Barnes, a U.S. Africa Command official based in Washington. Barnes said he could not immediately provide further details about the duration or nature of Sanogo’s participation in the International Military Education and Training program. The State Department funds that program, and foreign officers are generally selected by U.S. Embassy officials. The State Department has condemned the coup and called for restoration of democratic rule. So far, however, it has not suspended aid or diplomatic relations with the impoverished country. The U.S. government was set to deliver $140 million in aid to Mali this year, about half of it for humanitarian programs. The State Department said that humanitarian aid would continue but that it was reviewing the rest of the money, slated primarily for development and security purposes.
“If this situation is not resolved democratically, the remaining portion of that aid could very seriously be affected,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters Friday. By law, the U.S. government will be required to suspend military relations with Mali because of the coup. The European Union said it would stop non-humanitarian aid, and the African Union on Friday suspended Mali’s membership in that organization.
“The actions of the mutineers run contrary to everything that is taught in U.S. military schools, where students are exposed to American concepts of the role of a military in a free society,” said Hilary F. Renner, a spokeswoman for the State Department’s Bureau of African Affairs. Mali, a large, landlocked country that covers part of the Sahara Desert, is a key U.S. counterterrorism partner in efforts to contain al-Qaeda’s affiliate in North Africa. The U.S. government has sought for years to bolster Malian security forces so they can improve their ability to track down al-Qaeda sympathizers who kidnap Europeans and other foreigners for ransom. The Africa Command had planned to hold a major regional military exercise in Mali last month but canceled because of Mali’s struggles to contain a Tuareg insurgency in the northern part of the country. The exercise, called Flintlock 2012, was supposed to bring together security forces from West Africa, Europe and the United States to coordinate counterterrorism missions. The Malian armed forces are relatively small, with about 7,000 personnel. Given the even smaller size of the officer corps, it is not surprising that Sanogo would have been selected for military education in the United States, said J. Peter Pham, an African affairs specialist at the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank. “It would be hard to find an officer at his rank or higher in the Malian military who hasn’t received training,” Pham said. “They’ve been a pretty reliable partner in terms of counterterrorism training.” In appearances on African television since Thursday, Sanogo has stated that he received U.S. military and intelligence training but did not reveal details. The coup leaders have pledged a return to democracy and said they deposed President Amadou Toumani Toure because of his incompetence in combating the Tuareg insurgency, which has been fueled by the return of Malian fighters from Libya. Reuters reported that soldiers looted gas stations and hijacked cars in the capital, Bamako, and the African Union said it had assurances that Toure was safe. Rumors swirled of an imminent countercoup led by Toure loyalists and that Sanogo had been killed, a suggestion denied on state television. The coup comes a month before Mali — one of the few established democracies in the region — was to hold a presidential election. |
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Post by nereah on Mar 24, 2012 19:39:56 GMT 3
intriguing developments over there in mali where soldiers abandon counter-insurgency war to topple a legitimate and democratic regime.here is my pesa nane:
1.the west complicity:i know that america for instance has been on some kind of engagement in mali with focus on boosting security capacity against alqaeda linked transnational terror networks.
given the security intelligence monitoring an forecasts by corporate agencies like international crisis group and the economist intelligence unit not mentioning cia, one would have expected that western intelligence had prior knowledge of the impending coup and attendant political risks.
with deposed president and loyal troops still in mali,3 distinct groupings: rebels,junta and the ousted government.
this is even more pertinent given the claims that remnants of libyan gaddafi's security networks had a big hand in the military coup.
2.looking at happenings in senegal and gambia where strongmen stage civilian coups by rigging themselves to power through among other things violating the term limits, the military coup like the one in guinea bisau or previously in ghana are justifiable especially when they help dismantle the old order and help leverage the reformists and democratic formations.
3.the african union which has a special envoy on lord resistance army and a functional parliament is exposed badly and suffer indictment with its non-interference policy.the war that the malian soldiers used as an excuse for staging the coup, is classic case of the african union failure when measured against the democratic drawback that the coup has effected not just on mali but regional economy.
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Post by nereah on Mar 24, 2012 23:01:34 GMT 3
apologies to all for the annoying typos and syntax in previous posts.
our dear and lovely sister above, ;D, now "chewing books " somewhere in france has a must read piece in the latest issue of the east african.
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Post by nereah on Mar 25, 2012 10:03:04 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 28, 2012 21:01:06 GMT 3
I subscribe to a mailing list called "Communist University". This is a comment from "VC" as in "Vice Chancellor" followed by an article from the Washington Post:
Coup d’État in Mali There are thousands of English-language stories on the Internet today about yesterday’s coup in Mali. The majority of them are from the USA. None [/size]of them have any useful political or historical content. [/quote] Yap, Oloo, all the more why a solution may be very far indeed. hrw.org/newsJeremy Keenan: tuareg rebellion in perspective. The coup in Mali is forced by the defeat of that army up north. There was a need for change of government, which could not wait even a month [the elections were scheduled shortly]. In three major battles, the army run out of ammunition, leading to surrender. The returning Jihadists from Libya, proved of a breed the young Mali soldiers had not seen before. They cut the throats of captured Mali soldiers by the dozens --to save bullets or in accordance with sharia law, or just for terror. A whole brigade at a border town with Algeria, also an airbase, fled into Algeria for dear life, and were sat on the tarmac by the Algerians who urinated on them, calling them sissies who had had been 'had' by the tuaregs! Such a humuliated army has to turn upon herself, ie, on her higher ranks. The regime in Bamako, had grown placid in safety of American support, failing to analyse her own internal contradictions. Putting down the historic Tuareg problem in the Sahel as a mere islamist terrorist problem, and joining the American narrative. And the Americans too, had not bothered to take a closer look at the competence of their allies! --Just like when they [the americans] gave Museveni's army modern gear to thrash Kony, only for these things to be traded for gold and other goodies of the Congo! leaving Kony to roam free at will, forcing the americans to come back now with a squadron of marines to hunt down the man themselves. Now a whole army with a young officer corps trained in the USA, has collapsed in the face of a determined Tuareg assault in Mali, and the American's have suspended money and material deliveries. Meaning Mali, effectively today, has been partitioned. Has reverted to her natural borders. Either Obama bombs up north, putting boots on the ground and taking command of the anti-Tuareg war to maintain the current neo-colonial state, or we all get ready to recognize and welcome yet a new state in Afrika. The Malian army is too much in dissaray to counter attack, and defend the territorial integrity of the land they are sworn to defend. Such a strange shaped country, Mali. Needs a better, more modern shape! Look at where Bamako is, tucked away like she is hiding from the rest of the expansive country! ------------ The town of Kidal in the center of Tuaregland is said to have fallen to them, 27/03/12 [THE MAP WHICH WAS HERE COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DISTURBED SETTINGS!] |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 29, 2012 20:35:44 GMT 3
Moderator Kathure,
I removed the may-be guilty map. Any improvements registered?
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Post by tnk on Mar 29, 2012 21:15:24 GMT 3
Moderator Kathure, I removed the may-be guilty map. Any improvements registered? just leave the link to the map in the text without embedding the image |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 23:17:16 GMT 3
Moderator Kathure, I removed the may-be guilty map. Any improvements registered? Thanks jakaswangayou're so polite these days  ! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 1, 2012 20:52:42 GMT 3
The town of Kidal in the center of Tuaregland is said to have fallen to them, 27/03/12[THE MAP WHICH WAS HERE COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DISTURBED SETTINGS!] --The town with the biggest millitary barracks in the north, GAO, fell to the rebels after Malian troops 'tactically withdrew'! Hmmm. The coup could just have catalysed an otherwise slow process of the collapse of Mali as we know it today. And just like in the Libyan crisis, the AU or ECOWAS or whatever the regional body is called, is no better than the Arab league faced with Syria! Perhaps the situation [conflicts] has evolved to a point where these  bodies, organised as they now are, are nolonger adequate mechanisms to deal with arising crises. NB: Historical Mali has a very different map! back to the future! |
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Post by amadain on Apr 2, 2012 0:13:37 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Apr 2, 2012 22:24:25 GMT 3
So when ECOWAS slaps sanctions on Mali, is it hurting the ruling elite or hurting the common man.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 14, 2012 10:47:07 GMT 3
Oloo, Perhaps you could change the headline of this thread to 'MODERN PUTSCHES  IN AFRIKA, so that when another one happens, like the one going on in Guinea-Bissau today, the thread just runs on! 14/04/2012 -MILLITARY REVOLT IN BISSAUBy Alberto Dabo
BISSAU | Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:27am BST
(Reuters) - Soldiers in Guinea-Bissau have detained the country's interim president and the former prime minister, cutting short an unfinished presidential election in West Africa's second military power grab in a month.Titchaz,Where does the ECOWAS army go first to restore order!? AZAWAD or GUINEA? let the war ...  |
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Post by Titchaz on Apr 15, 2012 5:41:16 GMT 3
Titchaz,
Where does the ECOWAS army go first to restore order!? AZAWAD or GUINEA? let the war ... ...Thats a toss up and infact I dont see them 'restoring order' like you put it. Like you said in the other thread, they only provide canon fodder at best. They have issues in their own domains to be in peoples butts tryna solve issues. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 2, 2012 15:25:30 GMT 3
THE RELUCTANT COUP-MAKER IN THE EYE OF HISTORY!
(22-03-12 EXIT AMADOU TOUMANE TOURE, ENTER AMADOU SANOGO)
He had gone North to take a look at the situation which un-official reports said was lost. Official military intelligence said The Great Mali Army was winning up North; and this was why there had been no need to recognize the defeat of Gaddafi and the disintegration of his mercenaries, as meaning a clear and present danger to Mali's continual existence.
The professional instincts of this lacklustre career military officer, Captain Amadou Sanogo, never involved barrack politics, and too, never involved personal corruption, but showed a derided preference for traditional mysticism than material wealth. The commercial and enterpreneurial spirit which had seen the externally much respected Generals Traore, Moussa and Amadou, become a major Cocaine contacts in West Afrika, and their chiefs gun-runners in the many wars around, did not touch this mystic who, according to American military profilers, had no leadership qualities whatsoever. Even as this stale stench of elite rot inundated the surroundings, Mali still received positive press as an outstanding democracy in Afrika. An example to be copied!
But Sanogo's patriotic feelings were more than hurt at what he met up in the North. While the Malian Army was still using antique Simonov rifles from the post second world war Soviet exports, the Tuareg rebels were sporting posh goodies courtesy of chaos in Libya. The Malian army was a joke on the retreat. Everywhere. And nobody in the rank of Major or General could do anything about it.
but by God! what did they live well and dress fine! them Mali's military elite!
Sanogo dared raise this millitary fiasco with the High Command, the kind of thing a dumb stagnated officer would do. Little did he know this act would propel him right to the helm of his nation's politics and drama within a few weeks. The nondescript captain had struck a chord, spoken up for his whole country, and won the admiration of the rank and file of the Army, the Police, and the paramilitaries. The situation was out of his hand.
The defence minister sent to the main barracks to assuage the nerves which were rumoured to be firing, made a mess. 'We are taking care of it', he weakly but codedly says, which is read by the lower ranks as we are making plans to arrest Sanogo and his whole brigand of would-be trouble-makers!
That was when a section of the soldiers demanded audience with the president, and set out to it, with military guard. They were only going to demand better weapons to face the Northern rebels! but Immediately outside the barracks, the lower ranks of the other security branches joined the crusade. Everybody else fled before them, even the red-berets (the presidential guard); and there they were within a few minutes, finding nobody in authority to receive them, in power themselves!
That was when the monstrosity of what they had done hit them! (What would you do as a young GSU sergeant, witnessing the brigadiers commanding the presidential guard of Kibaki fleeing with him to the British Embassy? What would you do as a young police inspector of Westlands when, as you set roadblocks, you spy top guns from the DoD in unceremonious flight? Would you not just laugh and fire a few shots in their wake and watch the most senior of them flee to the French or the American embassy! And swear never to obey their orders again! --You realize you have chased away the government and taken power! and prepare for a meeting to iron-out the compromise candidate for the presidency!)
There is this thing called initiative, which in volatile, dangerous situations, is the field of instinctive platoon commanders and opportunists with unfailing flashes of insight. And the armed men of Mali have experience, called the director's script, of how coup dramas are enacted. So once the cat was out of the bag, ammo out of the barracks in political argument, flashes of insight led others to take decisive action without prior planning, and the rest went by routine:
--The TV studios and broadcasters were secured --without the knowledge nor orders of Sanogo!
--Strategics were taken care of: communications, banks, airports, airfields etc.
--A host of Traore die-hard loyalists were arrested, both civilian and military (It was the paramilitary police, their protective unit, which exactly knew where they were when, and nabbed them (while a group of military fashion conscious men were still arguing whether Sanogo would wear his usual captain's uniform or something grander, seeing the mission on national TV that awaited him!)
--Around military barracks, any senior officers associated with the Traore's was placed under lock and key by his juniors. The quicker witted promoted themselves several ranks up in uniform. --ETC ETC
The coup was working clockwork in automated pilot! and captain Amadou Sanogo was being informed he was the leader and had ordered all these things!
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AND 'RADIO TROTTOIR' BAMAKO I WILL RELAY THUS!
'What?!' he shouted at his juniors! 'No coup! Mali is a democracy! You are mad! I will kill you myself for treason!'
Tough Konate --the spokesman, duly handed over his loaded gun to Sanogo, and saluted him smartly with steely gaze: 'Mister President Sir! If you insist! So I die!'
The tense room waited for Captain Amadou Sanogo to keep his promise!
He did not!
'Looks like am the mad one here!' he joked! then saluted. And the men stood to attention and saluted Mr. President! and looked at him with that snake look of soldiers which every commander knows: Loose nerve now, and you are scavenger food cooking.
And so we saw a somewhat comical TV studio. Crowded with young soldiers with live ammo, blended with their new president! Yes it was a real coup!
But Mali is an old civilization, and changes in power, however sudden and erratic, can not be that shocking. so after the initial gunfire, and the comedy of elite troops getting rid of their prestigious uniforms and grabbing anything at hand to hide the nakedness, the markets reconvened, shops opened, and customers asked what the inflation rate had done in the last hour of 'chaos'! And those not in the know asked which Trao-something it was now again heading to State House!
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But the political naivety of Captain Sanogo would be revealed in his dealings with ECOWAS. ECOWAS had been analyzed by Malian radicals, some of whom who had opportunistically sided with the coup, as the gentleman's club where the Traore-Toure cliques were a respectable and paid up members and, as such, would show total hostility to the new dispensation in Mali. There were business, familial, and many other socio-commercial tendons connecting the Traore-Toure clan to some of the prominent power-movers in ECOWAS! And they would fight back. The national interest of Mali not their priority.
The sanctions and the military embargo they declared, meant incapacitating the arms of Bamako, whereby the rebels in the North could walk-over the rest of the remaining garrisons. Mali had morphed into AZAWAD and SOUTH MALI. Sanogo's coup, had just been the final act in the loss of the war, signing the separation by other means.
A deal was brokered which brought back the old political class to prominence. Dioncounda Traore [do you get anywhere in this country if you do not have that T name?] who was Speaker, was elevated to caretaker President, with the highly educated Cheikh Modibo Diarra remaining as Premier and assembling a cabinet. All very interim of course to manage new elections in 40 days.
Then it became clear ECOWAS was in no military position to do anything about AZAWAD. Nor AQIM [Al Qaida in Islamic Maghreb], nor MUJWA [Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Afrika] nor MNLA [national movement for the liberation of Azawad], nor ANSAR EDINE, the Salafist break away from MNLA.
On april 30 2012, the red berets regrouped and launched a counter coup. A laughable affair. But the way Sanogo behaves would save his life three weeks later. He takes command of the fighting men, and puts paid to the coup in a few hours. he may be politically a nitwit, but in military combat he is all guts to the bone.
Then on 20th May 2012, ECOWAS brokered a deal with Sanogo and Dioncounda and Diarra in which the interim period would be extended from 40 days to one year. Malian radicals say the old oligarchy has decided it needs more time to re-consolidate, and carry out a total purge of the military and paramilitary and childish Sanogo is handing it over to them! Worse, Sanogo was promised and accepted to retire with the benefits of a former head of state! The mystic had graduated into a materialist!
Dioncounda and Sanogo did not know what hit them. The paramilitaries withdrew their gaurd on Dioncounda and co. Dioncounda is lynched, Diarra flees to a Western embassy like most of his cabinet! Sanogo, who only three weeks earlier had commanded the defeat of the old red-berets, has enough credibility to be treated with respect. But Mr Captain Ex President has some explanation to do.
In this ECOWAS deal he was retiring with presidential comfort. Good for him. But How about Mali? How about Azawad? How about the many sergeants rumoured to be facing mutiny and treason charges? The Troops held prisoner by the MNLF up North? these elections: are they to held in the whole of Mali, or just the south minus Azawad?
Captain Amadou Sanogo, can not just disappear from the scene. He is a prisoner of his country's mess. Even quitting power to retire is no longer his decision.
It is a human story even the stricken Malians tell with humour. A simple soul thrust on the historical stage. How will he cope? evolve into a monster? or be consumed by the contradictions of forces operative?
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Post by roughrider on Jun 2, 2012 15:59:34 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, impressive knowledge of the details here. Rest assured we are reading... and getting educated.
Folks, I can't say I know much about the intricacies of the Malian situation but having been to Bamako on four different occasions, I can say there is a good reason for Africa (ECOWAS etc) to save this country: Mali has some of the most beautiful women on the continent. This is not a trivial concern, amidst the weighty security and political issues, I assure you. That genetic pool must not be imperilled!
They are also self assured and confident. If it wasn't for my limited French and rather strong Christian values, then i shudder to imagine what might have become...
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 18, 2012 21:13:04 GMT 3
Folks, I know Kenya is currently in the throes of high political comedy in real time. But we are not the only action on the face of the continent. Mali has been throwing people in stitches, though for some reason it is a story hiding from the public. Not widely reported that is. There was not exactly a coup on Dec 11 2012 in Bamako. But Cheickh Modiabo Diarra --check his CV-- appeared at 4.00 am on national TV sweating like a raining sky, and announced his resignation. The president had not been informed about it. 2. The PM was set to travel to Paris, for medical reasons, but generally accepted purpose was to consult with France on the future of Mali and Azawad, and the stalled military situation. His luggage was unceremoniously removed from the flight, after soldiers arrested him in his bed in the national interest. [Other version: rumours he was fleeing with sacks of cash! some guys weren't going to take chances on that!].3. Former coup-leader Amadou Sanogo, no official position, and yet said to have ordered the arrest, denied the arrest. He talked of 'facilitation' of the exit of the PM, 'of which there was no need to shed tears about!' Then shrugging: 'the man is sick, fleeing abroad to hospital anyway. May be his medical condition is incompatible with the strenuous duty of premiering Mali at this critical juncture!'And the captain saluted the journalists, and went off to pump hands with his fellow may be soldiers who had not been able to maintain straight faces during the interview. 4. Diarra is under house arrest, either at the barracks or at his home. Other Version by the col. Oguna of Mali: 'he asked to be our guest, and further asked for our protection. We honoured this request until his security situation was improved, whereupon he went home, where we continue to protect him from his enemies!' 5. 24 hours later, the excellent president, Dioncounda Traore, appeared on the TV to announce a new PM, Diango Sissoko.. Sweating like he was in the sauna. Dioncounda is an ivy-league mathematician. Here is the New-York times version. www.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/world/africa/malis-prime-minister-arrested-by-military.html?_r=0 What is not said is this:1. The middle and lower ranks of the army think given the weapons, they can organise and reconstitute Mali as before, that is defeat the Islamists of Azawad. They think they do not need foreigners on their soil to die in their war. Mali is an old civilisation with a stubborn military pride. Major Chirchir ;D of the Malian army put it like this: If Nigerians could fight, I guess by now they would have sorted out their Boko Haram and the rebellion in the Niger Delta! But here they come with ECOWAS to save Mali! excuse me! 2. The political and civilian elite class have more faith in the foreign intervention. Preferably led by the former colonial power. 3. The reading of 2, is that the political class is scared of a Malian military which is highly equipped and heroic in the defense of the nation. It brings the army back to the forefront of state affairs and patriotism, and makes the dependency-ridden political elite irrelevant. [Dioncounde and Diarra would not even dare step in a helicopter of the Malian army to go inspect the new border with Azawad! --No guarantee they would come back perhaps! but they were rumoured to be ready to accept a ride in a French military chopper!The contempt of military spokesman over the radio informed everybody who heard how far apart souls were at the top. So life goes on, or so it seems. There is actually a general mobilisation by the army up-country. All manambas and bodabodas and able bodied-young men are required to attend military instruction crash course, awaiting arms and the command: Union Mali or death! --------------------------------- PS: There is a silent lesson why this farce in Bamako intrigues me so. In Kenya we have outlawed non graduates from rising to the presidency. Well and good when there is no crisis methinks. In Mali, the best graduates were in the PM himself, a proven astro-physicist and NASA consultant, and the president, a proven Phd Mathematician who could have made short work of our own, the late Prof. George. Yet the semi-illiterate Sanogo --that is how the State Department spokesman described the colonel, and his band of less than educated mystic soldiers practically treat them like silly cows, and they do! How does it come to that? A good question for students of power. Let us avoid these crises folks! Recall Major David Oyite and Major Yoweri Museveni were reputed to spit and urinate on prof. Lule, during a short-lived dalliance soon after the overthrow of Idi Amin. Yusuf Lule was head of the Uganda National Liberation Front, UNLF, and essentially a Tanzanian puppet. Patriots Kaguta and Ojok humiliated him at every chance. Major Paul Kagame, soon after Kigali fell, sat with dirty military boots on a table and had them cleaned by some Hutu professors on their knees, his eyes as indifferent as those of a dead fish. I just wish I could remember a situation in Africa, where a professor looked at these kind of majors and said: don't mess with me major! I will gorge out your eyes and skull-F you to death! Alas! So, if we reserved power for graduates in our Kenya, better not run the country into a crisis! Nono wanarom gi mak'Olwer. [Otherwise reality will shag deep the rears of those with the illusions of academia]! --------------- Here is a related thread: introducing Azawad.jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6813 |
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Post by nok on Dec 18, 2012 22:35:05 GMT 3
@jakswanga
academia in many ways can be tricky and we often see high IQ and autism in one a character.
In many ways academia closes the door for street smartness in that one is often the demise of the other.
The politics of minion countries like ours and most other countries in Africa require one to be more streetwise, and that is why a sonko will have more fanatical followers than Anyang nyongo.
I think that has alot to do with the fact that a majority of the population in a country like kenya is just not in the verge of entering into pluto's brains but rather want to associate with shariff nasir or mark too.
I know that from the village i come from one was never a man of the people when one went to higher stratospheres of knowledge, one was then seen to be a betrayer of traditions and traditional ways of life. Significantly in order to attain some academia one practically has to disconnect with the society that brought one up. It was just not only physical but psychological let alone social......
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 19, 2012 21:18:48 GMT 3
@jakswanga academia in many ways can be tricky and we often see high IQ and autism in one a character. In the west where this is much studied, I would tend to agree. Nerds: super-intelligent in the lab, but socially handicapped. One would even suggest they should be banned from political office, despite their multi-faceted cum laudes! sonko beat nyong'o:I have to quote this, nok. Perhaps an educational system which ends this 'alienation' from the self, and also ends this estrangement from ones community, will do the trick. So that we, post colonials, re-connect with the base and have an integrated and meaningful knowledge, such that once a professor in book-learning, also included is street-wiseness, such that Nyong'o always beats Sonko! so to speak. Or, prof. Diara becomes always a match for any captain Sanogo! Or perhaps academicians are just too fake??? That in spite of all their cleverness, things stay the same when they are in charge. In other words, when it comes to solutions to real problems, they are clueless! [courtesy of Miguna] CLUELESS! ;D I saw this response on facebook to prof. Anangwe's --he is in Dodoma college-- analysis on Jubilee/Cord: 'He said that? but that is what my bodaboda brother said two days ago! Is there no difference in opinion between a bodaboda and a professor?' |
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Post by nok on Dec 20, 2012 11:49:04 GMT 3
@jakswanga academia in many ways can be tricky and we often see high IQ and autism in one a character. In the west where this is much studied, I would tend to agree. Nerds: super-intelligent in the lab, but socially handicapped. One would even suggest they should be banned from political office, despite their multi-faceted cum laudes! sonko beat nyong'o:I have to quote this, nok. Perhaps an educational system which ends this 'alienation' from the self, and also ends this estrangement from ones community, will do the trick. So that we, post colonials, re-connect with the base and have an integrated and meaningful knowledge, such that once a professor in book-learning, also included is street-wiseness, such that Nyong'o always beats Sonko! so to speak. Or, prof. Diara becomes always a match for any captain Sanogo! Or perhaps academicians are just too fake??? That in spite of all their cleverness, things stay the same when they are in charge. In other words, when it comes to solutions to real problems, they are clueless! [courtesy of Miguna] CLUELESS! ;D I saw this response on facebook to prof. Anangwe's --he is in Dodoma college-- analysis on Jubilee/Cord: 'He said that? but that is what my bodaboda brother said two days ago! Is there no difference in opinion between a bodaboda and a professor?' ;D hv no words to add. That Sonko boot is coming our way ;D |
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bodies, organised as they now are, are nolonger adequate mechanisms to deal with arising crises.
IN AFRIKA, so that when another one happens, like the one going on in Guinea-Bissau today, the thread just runs on!
