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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 23:42:29 GMT 3
Where are those head honchos who govern the forces? Where is the C.J Mutunga? Where is that Wamalwa Justice Minister who makes no sense of any kind? What do you all have to say about this? People if you think the devil is in hell you're wrong. The devil is human and is right here with us. Imagine what they do to people when no one is there to witness their actions. I wish some lawyers would help this guy put a case together against these GSU psychopaths in uniform. Kenya is full of sick distorted people. I don't miss you freaks!!! Truth Justice and Reconciliation my Axx!
Thanks to NTV for bringing us that video.
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Post by toddo on Apr 5, 2012 23:52:35 GMT 3
It is disheartening to see a fellow human being brutalized in the manner in which these stupid GSU officers did to this guy. Whatever crime he may have engaged in, he deserved some dignity and I do hope that someone will pay for it. Does the GSU not get training in law and order? Where are the police reforms?
On the other hand, I just watched Waititu being hauled into a police LandRover and that was also brutal to an extent although somewhat laughable given what we know of the stone throwing mheshimiwa.
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 5, 2012 23:56:14 GMT 3
Unfortunately, and rather sadly, this is actually "small potatoes". Ever since I can remember---and I am no spring-chicken---Kenyans, "small" and "big" have accepted, seemingly without question, that the main function of the GSU is to unleash brutality on civilians. A GSU operation in any part of the country invariably means the beating and torture of men, the rape of women, and theft.
The "organizational mentality" of the GSU is, and has always been, such that reform is practically impossible. The only change for this organization is to completely disband it.
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Post by johnmaina on Apr 6, 2012 0:28:18 GMT 3
Watching this video for me further reinforces that majority of AFRICAN men are animals if not sub-humans. Many lack what make human function CONSCIOUSNESS and you see it everywhere like kina uhuruto, whereby they brutalism their victims without mercy.
The victim on that video has been so dehumanised that no amount of intervention will help him recover socially and psychologically as a well-functioning productive member of the society.
His tormentors are clearly psychopaths probably had similar experiences hence are able to do the same without any restraining that a normal being would have. But can you imagine what else those animals have done. Also did you note their eagerness to strip the victim which was clearly sexual abuse, which shows they have carried similar if not worse acts before.
If Kenya truly had credible media, not the shoddy NMG and the rest, the senile president should be called to respond to the brutalisation of a hapless victim.
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Post by gemagema on Apr 6, 2012 1:29:11 GMT 3
Oh My God - that such inhumanity still exist makes me think of how Hitler and his soldiers must have behaved. No wonder the Whities call us barbaric...we have totally no law of operation
I mean this GSU guys have the courage to whip someone under the watch of a camera and a journalist!
maskini, i really sympathised with him. I wonder what he did to deserve such whipping?
Our courts are fair these days -- let him be advised to file a case
Woye...this makes me hate GSU so much
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Post by amadain on Apr 6, 2012 2:20:41 GMT 3
gemagema
He is a young guy who lives in the middle of nowhere. He may not know how to file a case, or maybe he does, in which case who does he talk to? The same security force who beat him up?
It's up to the public and media to investigate further and maybe assist... or you can relax and say "Let him be advised to file a case". What does that even mean?
There are commenters on youtube offering money towards his legal fees if anything comes of this.
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Post by moesha on Apr 6, 2012 4:03:58 GMT 3
I watched that tape in total disbelief at the way grown men, maybe even family men in uniform were brutally dragging that little boy on the ground, while whipping him. These are the same people we entrust with our security. Some were actually laughing while video taping in the background. What a shame. It's a child for goodness sake.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 6, 2012 9:37:24 GMT 3
Watching this video for me further reinforces that majority of AFRICAN men are animals if not sub-humans. Many lack what make human function CONSCIOUSNESS and you see it everywhere like kina uhuruto, whereby they brutalism their victims without mercy. Now, where did you get that idea? The MAJORITY of AFRICAN men are ANIMALS if not SUB-HUMANS???!!!
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by topnotch on Apr 6, 2012 11:23:45 GMT 3
As someone has said, this is child's play compared to what goes on. I watched a video of the Mt. Elgon SDLF clear-our and swore never to trust our Kenyan security forces with my life. The soldiers used pliers to squeeze private parts of men, and razor blades to cut the women breasts. Such cruelty.
We handed the video to KNCHR and KHRC. We are still waiting for action.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2012 12:36:44 GMT 3
Two weeks ago a similar incident of police brutality was aired on South Africa television and for a civil liberties reputed country the level of outrage was quite muted. To make matters worse the police officers were transferred to another police station not too far from their crime. Hopefully the authorities in Kenya will act differently and need no prompting from civil society types to act!
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Post by major on Apr 6, 2012 15:52:36 GMT 3
TOPNOTCH
Can you keep us posted on any plans and action by the KNCHR and KHRC?
This is sad and we cannot just lament, but act on behalf of "Utumishi kwa wote". This is our fellow young brothers and those are suppose to protect are doing otherwise. We must rise up beyond the best political forum when need arises.
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Post by mzee on Apr 6, 2012 15:58:40 GMT 3
Where are human rights activists when you need them?
I cant hear any noise from them.
Im completely appalled the way the officers are acting.
If no action is taken then....
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Post by mank on Apr 6, 2012 16:18:30 GMT 3
Right there, the evidence laid out bare. Yet nothing may come of it. Another Kenyan brutalized, another day.
The constitution will not jump out of the books to protect us. Someone has to act on it, and if that was appreciated, these terrorists in uniform would be answering for their crime already.
Kenyans must challenge themselves to know their constitution and their institutions - so when they are failed they know who is failinig them.
In this case, who (what institution) should be attending to that crime? Is s/he or it doing that? Is any of the terrorists in jail? Has any of them been interviewed by law enforcement, at least? I think these are some of the questions we should be asking, and identifying the right body to answer them. Lest we aid crime against ourselves.
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Post by mank on Apr 6, 2012 16:26:58 GMT 3
Watching this video for me further reinforces that majority of AFRICAN men are animals if not sub-humans. Many lack what make human function CONSCIOUSNESS and you see it everywhere like kina uhuruto, whereby they brutalism their victims without mercy. .... That's retarded and aggrevating! What aspect of the criminal act captured here generalizes to the character or reality of African men? |
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 6, 2012 23:09:36 GMT 3
TOPNOTCH Can you keep us posted on any plans and action by the KNCHR and KHRC? This is sad and we cannot just lament, but act on behalf of "Utumishi kwa wote". This is our fellow young brothers and those are suppose to protect are doing otherwise. We must rise up beyond the best political forum when need arises. Take a look at this short clip. -------------------------------------------------------------------- PS: Some of the GSU askaris wanted to castrate the boy. he looks more like a boy to me. I wonder what his crime was, but oil discoveries and state terror have a habit of going hand in hand in many places around the globe. The much praised new constitution clearly fails to protect this man. Who knows the song: southern trees bear strange fruit? --something about the grand constitution of the USA which did not protect southern negroes from institutionalized terror! Very soon the CJ Mutunga will recognize how hot that seat really is! Justice! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 6, 2012 23:17:03 GMT 3
Where are human rights activists when you need them? I cant hear any noise from them. Im completely appalled the way the officers are acting. If no action is taken then.... Ahem. For one, I am here sir. More seriously, I saw Peter Kiama of IMLU, George Morara of KHRC and Kamau Ngugi address a press conference where they ripped into police torture and misconduct. Top Cop Matthew Iteere in a face saving cop out, said the recording from 2009 and that it happened in Trans Nzoia rather than Turkana. And he threatened the conscientious cop who had surreptiously captured the incident on his cell phone. Onyango Oloo
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Post by mzee on Apr 7, 2012 0:13:24 GMT 3
OO,
Thanks for that. I did not see Peter Kiama of IMLU, George Morara of KHRC and Kamau Ngugi press conf.
I did not even know that the incident was from 2009.
Which begs the question why it has taken this long for Iteere to act.
Why is he now pretending to punish the cops?
OO, I know that you cannot answer the above questions because you are not Iteere but they are worth asking.
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Post by job on Apr 7, 2012 0:52:09 GMT 3
Where are human rights activists when you need them? I cant hear any noise from them. Im completely appalled the way the officers are acting. If no action is taken then.... Ahem. For one, I am here sir. More seriously, I saw Peter Kiama of IMLU, George Morara of KHRC and Kamau Ngugi address a press conference where they ripped into police torture and misconduct. Top Cop Matthew Iteere in a face saving cop out, said the recording from 2009 and that it happened in Trans Nzoia rather than Turkana. And he threatened the conscientious cop who had surreptiously captured the incident on his cell phone.Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaEven if Iteere refuses to act (since 2009), it is still not a lost opportunity...the cops are clearly caught on video...they can still be identified and made to pay for what may easily amount to castration of the boy. This young man needs immediate medical examination to assertain whether he can still be fertile. If he's been rendered infertile (as is very likely) that's a big lawsuit right there. |
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 7, 2012 0:56:31 GMT 3
Growing up i often heard these primitive goons referred to as 'fanya fujo uone.' am now older and know better but would probably still run for my life if i spotted them in the vicinity.
Bloody hell!! nobody (not even a snake) whatever the crime, deserves such treatment.....i hope the poor guy is still alive.
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Post by job on Apr 7, 2012 1:37:39 GMT 3
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Post by man on Apr 7, 2012 8:12:06 GMT 3
What annoyed me the most in this clip is towards the end when the cowardly GSU goons were interrogating the poor young boy and one of them shamelessly asked him "...Na mbona haulii na ume gongwa sana?" Yaani the GSU goon could not believe that the poor young boy was more brave than the whole lot of them combined. Shenzi kabisa
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Post by kamalet on Apr 7, 2012 8:30:02 GMT 3
With Iteere's confirmation that the incident happened in 2009 following a security operation in Trans Nzoia rather that the hyped up Turkana (just why was this important???) and that he bacame awarre of it after it appeared on telly, it is clear to me that the story will not be dead and gone but his candid reaction to it was impressive! The GSU and security operations as someone said before is only known as peace enforcer of last resort (like CBK and banks..) and when they are used, they do unleash a lot of brutality. Perhaps in their case it is borrowed from the George Bush book of shock and awe to achieve results!
Many will not have been born here but as a child an incident is still etched in my mind when the GSU were unleashed on the small town of Gilgil in the mid sixties. What happened is that the 'johnnies' had just been withdrawn from from on the barracks (I think 3 or 5Kr are situated there) and there was a serious rise in lawlessness and crime that overwhelmed the little town. When the announcement was made that GSU was coming to town and that a curfew would be in force between 8pm and 6am, people with their usual attitude that they were not moved ignored the order. So as a little child going to the shop in the morning could not believe it when I saw bleeding and brutalised grown up men crying and groaning in pain. Perhaps for me it was a lesson at obeying authority, but crime did go down in Gilgil.
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Post by furaha on Apr 7, 2012 11:47:43 GMT 3
Wait a minute! When in 2009 did this terrible incident occur? Why? Well, who was heading the GSU until early September 2009?
None other than Matthew Iteere. Is he now going to investigate himself?
Furaha
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Post by merlin on Apr 7, 2012 17:04:06 GMT 3
Watching this video for me further reinforces that majority of AFRICAN men are animals if not sub-humans. Many lack what make human function CONSCIOUSNESS and you see it everywhere like kina uhuruto, whereby they brutalism their victims without mercy. The victim on that video has been so dehumanised that no amount of intervention will help him recover socially and psychologically as a well-functioning productive member of the society. His tormentors are clearly psychopaths probably had similar experiences hence are able to do the same without any restraining that a normal being would have. But can you imagine what else those animals have done. Also did you note their eagerness to strip the victim which was clearly sexual abuse, which shows they have carried similar if not worse acts before. If Kenya truly had credible media, not the shoddy NMG and the rest, the senile president should be called to respond to the brutalisation of a hapless victim. , Are AFRICAN men sub-humans?? I think everyone has sadistic urges though it varies in intensity. It has nothing to do with tribe, race, colour or social status. Some people like to beat-up their dog, children, wife or husband, or happily act with great satisfaction in the process of dishing out instant justice killing someone they do not know either met before. It probably has something to do with feeling powerful to act in disregard of morality and law. This personal sadistic satisfaction it is not acceptable by society and laws are made to prevent, stop or correct individuals who behave to satisfy their sadistic urge. However society breaks down when this sadistic urge is institutionalised as was shown in the video clip. The GSU is licensed to kill or use proportional force with the aim to protect society and its citizens. This is accomplished by law and command structures to make sure no one will act out of personal sadistic satisfaction. The clip shows the failure of the command structure and not errors of the individuals. This is the reason why police reforms are urgently required. Blaming the African man is too easy and does not lead to eradication of sadistic acts. Pointing out were command structure, morality and the law fails takes some effort though can gives a clue where our individual contribution to society can be of use. |
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Post by mank on Apr 7, 2012 19:01:23 GMT 3
With Iteere's confirmation that the incident happened in 2009 following a security operation in Trans Nzoia rather that the hyped up Turkana (just why was this important???) and that he bacame awarre of it after it appeared on telly, it is clear to me that the story will not be dead and gone but his candid reaction to it was impressive! The GSU and security operations as someone said before is only known as peace enforcer of last resort (like CBK and banks..) and when they are used, they do unleash a lot of brutality. Perhaps in their case it is borrowed from the George Bush book of shock and awe to achieve results!
Many will not have been born here but as a child an incident is still etched in my mind when the GSU were unleashed on the small town of Gilgil in the mid sixties. What happened is that the 'johnnies' had just been withdrawn from from on the barracks (I think 3 or 5Kr are situated there) and there was a serious rise in lawlessness and crime that overwhelmed the little town. When the announcement was made that GSU was coming to town and that a curfew would be in force between 8pm and 6am, people with their usual attitude that they were not moved ignored the order. So as a little child going to the shop in the morning could not believe it when I saw bleeding and brutalised grown up men crying and groaning in pain. Perhaps for me it was a lesson at obeying authority, but crime did go down in Gilgil. I remember sometimes in the 70s when these terrorists were unleashed in my part of the country, in the name of Anti-stock Theft unit, and they basically turned the place upside down. They castrated men, sodomized women and chidren, poured boiling water on women and children, hammered 6" nails through fibulas of men, and just anything they wanted to do. ... all in the name of tracking stock that had been stolen miles away in the manyattas! As children we were charged with listening to sounds of vehicles and watching out for dust over the roads, to alert the adults so they could sneak into the bushes before the terrorists arrived in our homesteads. It was hell! I remain to be educated about the laws they operate under, which allow for this kind of brutality. In my view, the people who brutalized the young man as seen in the clip should find no mercy but a very deep and dark hole somewhere in a dungeon. |
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