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Post by kamalet on Apr 7, 2012 8:50:01 GMT 3
Recently the groupings of Gema and Kamatusa (someone mentioned that the only reason that "tu" in Kamatusa was retained was to ensure that the "a" in Gema was not confused for "Arturkana" as recently suggested after the oil find ;D) have aroused quite some debate about the use of such tribal groupings and even said that they could bring instability in Kenya.
All this is understandable when as a Kenyan one remembers how the statement about 41 vs 1 was used to such murderous effect in 2008. So anyone with a concern should be really concerned.
But I actually do not think it is a bad thing for Kenya. Take for instance the Kamatusa get together. If it can mean that the internicine conflict between the Turkana and the Samburu can be ended through the political leadership and grouping of the communities, then that is a good thing. If the Kamatusa and Gema groupings can bring about lasting peace between the Kikuyus and the Kalenjin and Maasai then anyone with a brain would support such a move. Which is why I would like to see an element of cooperation between Gema and the Luo union to bring sense to the people of Kibera or Mathare where there an ever simmering conflict between the kikuyus and the luo - everyone does recall that there are people in Kibera who were forcefully removed from their property and cannot even today collect rent from their own properties after all this time since PEV.
I am aware that the concern about these groupings is the political nature of isolating one person by bringing out communities against the person. I could very quickly say that it worked in 2007 and the next elections will not be held under any different circumstances as tribes will still be king determining political direction.
So rather than condemn the tribal groupings, Kenyans should embrace these to bring about cohesion and lasting peace. Politics is nothing more than a wind that comes and goes. Peace as a lasting thing ensures development for our country!
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 7, 2012 13:18:07 GMT 3
So rather than condemn the tribal groupings, Kenyans should embrace these to bring about cohesion and lasting peace. Politics is nothing more than a wind that comes and goes. Peace as a lasting thing ensures development for our country! Embrace rather than condemn them, as they bring about cohesion and everlasting peace love and unity?! Eih, omera yawa!I will assume you are writing to provoke! but even if you do so, I propose you maintain your usual soaring standards ;D, because this one makes me wonder whether you have a double and left him to do the posting! And you forgot to check his work in your haste to rendezvous with your easter date!  Cohesion and lasting peace to be brought by these ethnic think-tanks? What have you seen of their practice these years? Have they not been the vehicles and oilers of disharmony, hijacked by tribal superiorists, some shaped into instruments of perpetuating domination over others! But there is another thinking I will come back to later more often in the run to the elections. My theory is ethnic nationalism is in ascendancy vis-a-vis all Kenya nationalism, and, if unitary Kenyan loyalists do not stand to be counted, Kenya will be a comprehensive federal state or collapse. That is, even the devolution, the envisaged county governorships (an attempt to neutralize the straight-jacket of the classic unitary Kenya) will merely be a step toward a confederation of [GEMA, KAMATUSA, WESTERN, MOMBASA ETC] states! Unless an economic genius comes along to revolutionize productivity and expand. In other words, these cultural organizations (now disparaged as tribal) are the harbingers of full-blooded ethnic consciousness. This is a formative stage. Full blooded 'nationalist' consciousness will presuppose territorial integrity, the idea of a homogenous nation state ... like the Mount Kenya republic with the Kenyatta family as Faraos forever! And we will need another international court [also seated at the Hague] which rules on conflicts between states arising from boundaries and borders! That globally, in this era of supranational investment hedge-fond capitalism the historical relevance of nation-states is obsolete, is another story for later! So know what you are embracing! I know what I am condeming! ------------- On a lighter note, I have some interesting stories for you on the cultural cooperations between say the Luo and Gema! 1. Gor Mahia football club!  Very lucrative for both! 2. Music production. Luo guitarists backing up gikuyu benga singers, and gikuyu producers fitting out luo benga bands with equipment! Very common. 3. Just before I recieved a commission for an international assignment and I was a music promotor, I was just working lobbying some gikuyu fun men so that we could organize the SUPER BOWL of those ethnic nights of dance. This would be a 2 day nonstop dance event at City Stadium! Single Gikuyus and single Luos only! Mumbi meets Ramogi!No prayer meetings for me! No political alliances either! Just party and bash! Naked bash! in the center of town! I will put my money on it! Would you, ori?  |
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Post by mugabe on Apr 7, 2012 21:17:12 GMT 3
Kamalet
Are you sure you are not merely being provocative for the sake of it? I mean seriously what twisted logic is this that GEMA and KAMATUSA and similar groups will bring peace and stability?
It is the worst form of propaganda. There are many reasons why one would oppose such groups. They include, the fact that such groups undermine national cohesion and in particular marginalize the small tribes which are automatically excluded from power by virtue of their small sizes. Furthermore, what is the continued relevance of such groups in a multiethnic socities like ours (speaking for myself I am a product of two communities). What use do such groups have for me and many others like me? Surely the measure of nationhood is to encourage intermarriage and interactions across all tribes not putting Kenyans in tribal cocoons. Finally, the argument made by Koigi wa Mwere and others rings true. Such groups merely serve the means of advancing the economic interests of the elite in the said communities. In other words, such groups serve as an impediment to the reforms needed in making our country a more just one. It is the height of folly to ignore the role economic impoverishment plays in engendering conflict and assume that a poor Luo and a poor Kikuyu will somehow love one another merely on account of GEMA and Luo Union seeking to unite them. The answer is to empower the people across all tribes to make them stakeholders in the sytem. That will engender stability as has been the case in many socities not the assumption that the kool aid of Ururu and Ruto will somehow provide stability.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2012 11:05:36 GMT 3
Jakaswanga
I have a very good friend of mine called Omondi. Now Omondi runs a panel beating outfit in the open and works hard. We will have an occasional drink with Omondi at Nairobi West and enjoy the finest dry fry that Kanyi will do at Black Oak. We talk a lot about politics and most of it is in jest notwithstanding our clear divide in political preferences. Way back in 2005 we started calling one another names reflecting the fruits of the referendum and he happily called my "ndizi" as I called him "chungwa". In January 2008 we still belonged to different political ends but that did not stop us talking and laughing about the stupidity of it all. I was happy to help him with intel on planned violence against the Luo in the part of Kibera he resided.
That in my mind should be the ideal way in which all Kenyans should live with one another.
However when a Kenyan rises against another it is always becuase there was a politician calling the shots somewhere. It is why we have had tribal clashes and even the the PEV of 2008. It was led by politicians.......!
Now if these politicians have done a Saul to Paul and in their groupings will preach peace or bring back together communities that previously did not see eye to eye, it can only be hypocritical not to see the benefits of such groupings however temporary they are. I do not think any Kenyan wants to see the violence we saw in 2008 or in the 90s under Moi. So if we have peaceful elections in 2013 and a peaceful transition, every Kenyan will be the winner.
The noise about these groupings unfortunately is driven by nothing more than the dangers they present to a Raila candidacy and the opponents are actually quite clearly his supporters.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 8, 2012 14:36:58 GMT 3
Jakaswanga I have a very good friend of mine called Omondi. Now Omondi runs a panel beating outfit in the open and works hard. We will have an occasional drink with Omondi at Nairobi West and enjoy the finest dry fry that Kanyi will do at Black Oak. We talk a lot about politics and most of it is in jest notwithstanding our clear divide in political preferences. Way back in 2005 we started calling one another names reflecting the fruits of the referendum and he happily called my "ndizi" as I called him "chungwa". In January 2008 we still belonged to different political ends but that did not stop us talking and laughing about the stupidity of it all. I was happy to help him with intel on planned violence against the Luo in the part of Kibera he resided. That in my mind should be the ideal way in which all Kenyans should live with one another. Can not argue with that! Only too often the national cacophony called the news drowns out the everyday postive stories from Kenyans such as yours! However when a Kenyan rises against another it is always becuase there was a politician calling the shots somewhere. It is why we have had tribal clashes and even the the PEV of 2008. It was led by politicians.......! From my experience in Rwanda I must say indeed it needs very hard work from politicians to incite and poison community relations to murder. In most cases, it requires coercion at the point of certain death, before neighbours set on neighbours. This is why murder gangs had to be ferried from elsewhere to Naivasha to murder Luos. The Naivasha gikuyus were not going to do it themselves!Now if these politicians have done a Saul to Paul and in their groupings will preach peace or bring back together communities that previously did not see eye to eye, it can only be hypocritical not to see the benefits of such groupings however temporary they are. If it is a true Saul to Paul, then of course we should be seeing confessions, and the askings for forgiveness. With criminal proceedings at the ICC this would be foolhardy now! But in any case I am not as trustful of Kenyan politicians as you appear to be. I do not think any Kenyan wants to see the violence we saw in 2008 or in the 90s under Moi. So if we have peaceful elections in 2013 and a peaceful transition, every Kenyan will be the winner. This is very true. The noise about these groupings unfortunately is driven by nothing more than the dangers they present to a Raila candidacy and the opponents are actually quite clearly his supporters. May be to others. But I tend to analyse them as a general trend throughout the whole continent, and conduct some comparative exercises from other continents. Raila isn't really a big issue in my thinking. |
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Post by justfacts on Apr 8, 2012 18:14:55 GMT 3
Kamalet,
You really are trying to squeeze a positive narrative out of this sad tale.
Associations among tribes are most welcome and across tribe too, but if such even pretend to take on the role of determining politics then they are for exclusion and not inclusion, no two ways about it.
Kamatusa was central to post '92 evictions so was Gema in retaining Kenyatta presidency, to suggest that they can do a Saul to Paul ......eeish Now, that's a sign of a healthy imagination indeed.
Your sympathies must lie with individuals among the groups hence this rationalization attempt. But it doesn't wash.
Jaribu ingine.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 9, 2012 12:18:17 GMT 3
Kamalet, You really are trying to squeeze a positive narrative out of this sad tale. Associations among tribes are most welcome and across tribe too, but if such even pretend to take on the role of determining politics then they are for exclusion and not inclusion, no two ways about it. Kamatusa was central to post '92 evictions so was Gema in retaining Kenyatta presidency, to suggest that they can do a Saul to Paul ......eeish Now, that's a sign of a healthy imagination indeed. Your sympathies must lie with individuals among the groups hence this rationalization attempt. But it doesn't wash. Jaribu ingine. Just facts I actually have no preference in any individual in the Kamatusagema proposed marriage. If you were a victim of any violence in Kenya that had a tribal tag, then any move to ensure that we do not have this again should be welcome. But as we only seem worried and concerned about the here and the now, I actually have a more futuristic look into it. The tribali groupings are nothing more than political vehicles. When everyone in ODM is scared of losing Mudavadi tot he Luhyia cocoon, it is nothing than retreating to tribes as is the case with the Midiwos who are retreating to their Luo cocoon with the rubbish about plots to kill Raila! In 2018 when we have the first proper elections under the new constitution, I am quite sure that these tribal alliances will not be necessary as there will be new coalitions of counties rather than tribes in getting a president - actually this is the reason why I much prefer a Tuju or Peter Kenneth presidential candidacy as they will not be victims of the present tribal realignments. |
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Post by justfacts on Apr 9, 2012 18:47:21 GMT 3
Kamalet,
Yes, all politicians try to address constituencies of different religions/tribes/gender and ODM should be rightly worried of the Luhya vote, but in our history to straight jacket communities in the lines of 'our choice' and 'tumeamua' through quasi cultural groups and demonize any divergent views is from experience lethal.
This has happened on both sides of GNU and is wrong IMO. Rwandese tried to tie their fate to their ethnic groups and that went way bad. Kenya has had snippets of that situation and we should not go back there.
One may (and should) try to appeal to these needs of such constituencies, but when that turns into us against them scenario then it is wrong. For example when Gema tries to 'own' Uhuru and claim his tribulation is 'our own' OR when Tuju is painted as a proxy in Nyanza for 'the others' interests and a spoiler for 'our own'.
Just because this trend is wide spread does not make it alright. We should appreciate our roots and be free to have a thousand GEMA's but not in politics.
Finally, I agree with you on Tuju/Kenneth but in your admission i find a contradiction. Do you prefer candidates who don't have a 'big tribal baggage' yet at the same time are trying to justify those who tie their cause to a collective of tribes? uko upande gani??
And are you saying a wrong (ethnic alliances) in the short term will turn out to be a good (coalition of counties) in the long term.??
I think it is the same bitter pill you are sugar coating.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 10, 2012 6:36:45 GMT 3
Kamale,
Mkosa kabila ni mtumwa. There is expressly nothing wrong with tribal groupings as long as their agenda can be traced to the larger agenda of the nation.
As a country we are in a situation where we not only need to celebrate and build on our individual languages and cultural heritages, but also embrace our diversity. Now, you dont do this by running away from your tribe and pretending that you are tribeless, but by recognizing the differences therein in terms interests, needs and aspirations and articulating how they can be met within the larger nation.
This is exactly what GEMA and KAMATUSA for instance have done. They have identified their interests and annointed people that they think will best represent them at the national stage.
Personally, I would love to see such more groupings including Luo union, Mulembe etc do the same, and bring their issues to the national stage for a debate for a better representation.
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Post by mintos on Apr 10, 2012 10:20:58 GMT 3
Don't you think very soon you will be saying its the rest of Kenya against these 2 groupings? Rememeber the 41 against 1? Thats the direction you be taking
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Post by stibin on Apr 10, 2012 11:02:32 GMT 3
Kamale, This is exactly what GEMA and KAMATUSA for instance have done. They have identified their interests and annointed people that they think will best represent them at the national stage. I refuse to believe GEMA and KAMATUSA groups anointed Uhuru and Ruto to represent their community interests. If you cared to follow the proceedings of their recent meetings you might have noted succession politics and ICC issues were the main agenda. If it were about people interests they could perhaps focus on say unemployment, education, insecurity e.t.c. In any way majority of the community members didn’t take part in the said anointing which was exclusively done by a few power- hungry politicians. |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Apr 11, 2012 18:58:08 GMT 3
Kamalet
Your argument that ethnic grouping would lead to stability is misplaced. Your ingenious suggestion is to preserve the presidency for the Agikuyu while raiding on the backs of others. That is the same nonsense Jaluos are puking all over with the idol worshipping of Raila even when ODM is furiously leaking with Mudavadi soon to depart. Soon ODM will be another omera party!
Yours is tribal call that does injustice to the pool of leadership in the country. When you elect someone because he is from a given tribal, he skills and quality are under sold. You have shamelessly coloured your call with tribalism.
Nothing exists to indicate that the Boran or the Rendille, the Pokomo and the Kuria, the Samburu and the Turkana do not have persons qualified to be president. Yet no one here could be pointing to viable candidates from any of these smaller groupings of people living in Kenya. You are a hypocrite, same as the Luos fronting for Raila, and so on.
We have been sold tribalism that we think we live in our little cocoons. Maybe it is time to carve the country so that every tribe could be comfortable in their little backyard. Ask any of those chanting their tribesman for presidency to support the next president a candidate from any of the small tribes named like Turkana, Somali or Pokomo and the suggestion will be met with a lot of resistance all the while being rationalised in non-tribal terms.
With your mind-set and considering your age, it is no coincidence that only the big tribes in Kenya have been able to front major Presidential candidates all the while claiming to be above tribal politics. All have fronted or lobbied for candidates from the bigger tribes while ensuring that their big tribes were well allied and positioned to be in the thick of things in any proposed regime. People like you are supporting groupings of tribes with a view to ensuring that your tribal interests were represented, nor Kenyan interest.
The truth is, besides Agikuyu, Kalenjin, Luos and Akamba, no other tribes had a chance of being able to position a candidate of their tribe to make any sort of headlines in the past elections. I hold the same to be true in future elections despite the creation of counties.
I believe only by coalition can the vested interests be realised especially in Kenya in tandem with all others. Even within your treasured Agikuyu, there are more or less coalitions amongst the different sections, never unison entity. There has never been a united Agikuyus across the land. They fought themselves, at times in coalition with the Maasai against other Agikuyus. The same can be said of the Luos, whose internal animosity is legendary, or the Luhya, even Kalenjins. Today, the Luo elders who only come from Siaya claim to be representatives of the Luo nation.
For your information, hostility led the Agikuyu to exist in three different and distinct "nations"
The Kikuyu Northern nation
The Kikuyu Eastern nation
And the Kikuyu Southern nation
I doubt if you know which one you come from, figure it out.
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Post by Titchaz on Apr 11, 2012 20:28:25 GMT 3
Hii ni ya wapi aisee?.... ...hamna upupu kama huu katika lugha ya Kiswahili. Kauli haswa ni "Mwacha Mila ni Mtumwa". Jamani msiharibu lugha ya watu. |
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Post by tnk on Apr 11, 2012 20:46:37 GMT 3
Hii ni ya wapi aisee?.... ...hamna upupu kama huu katika lugha ya Kiswahili. Kauli haswa ni "Mwacha Mila ni Mtumwa". Jamani msiharibu lugha ya watu. ;D ;D ;D yaani hizi forgery ziko everyweya 10 nil asante mkuu titchaz |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 11, 2012 23:27:59 GMT 3
Kamalet Your argument that ethnic grouping would lead to stability is misplaced. Your ingenious suggestion is to preserve the presidency for the Agikuyu while raiding on the backs of others. That is the same nonsense Jaluos are puking all over with the idol worshipping of Raila even when ODM is furiously leaking with Mudavadi soon to depart. Soon ODM will be another omera party! Yours is tribal call that does injustice to the pool of leadership in the country. When you elect someone because he is from a given tribal, he skills and quality are under sold. You have shamelessly coloured your call with tribalism. Nothing exists to indicate that the Boran or the Rendille, the Pokomo and the Kuria, the Samburu and the Turkana do not have persons qualified to be president. Yet no one here could be pointing to viable candidates from any of these smaller groupings of people living in Kenya. You are a hypocrite, same as the Luos fronting for Raila, and so on. We have been sold tribalism that we think we live in our little cocoons. Maybe it is time to carve the country so that every tribe could be comfortable in their little backyard. Ask any of those chanting their tribesman for presidency to support the next president a candidate from any of the small tribes named like Turkana, Somali or Pokomo and the suggestion will be met with a lot of resistance all the while being rationalised in non-tribal terms. With your mind-set and considering your age, it is no coincidence that only the big tribes in Kenya have been able to front major Presidential candidates all the while claiming to be above tribal politics. All have fronted or lobbied for candidates from the bigger tribes while ensuring that their big tribes were well allied and positioned to be in the thick of things in any proposed regime. People like you are supporting groupings of tribes with a view to ensuring that your tribal interests were represented, nor Kenyan interest. The truth is, besides Agikuyu, Kalenjin, Luos and Akamba, no other tribes had a chance of being able to position a candidate of their tribe to make any sort of headlines in the past elections. I hold the same to be true in future elections despite the creation of counties. I believe only by coalition can the vested interests be realised especially in Kenya in tandem with all others. Even within your treasured Agikuyu, there are more or less coalitions amongst the different sections, never unison entity. There has never been a united Agikuyus across the land. They fought themselves, at times in coalition with the Maasai against other Agikuyus. The same can be said of the Luos, whose internal animosity is legendary, or the Luhya, even Kalenjins. Today, the Luo elders who only come from Siaya claim to be representatives of the Luo nation. For your information, hostility led the Agikuyu to exist in three different and distinct "nations" The Kikuyu Northern nation The Kikuyu Eastern nation And the Kikuyu Southern nation I doubt if you know which one you come from, figure it out. Sadik Like many you completely missed the point and your diatribe against the gikuyu and the luos was totally uncalled for. The luo, kalenjin or even the gikuyu for that matter cannot make any apologies for their large numbers over the pokomo or rendille. If you wish to know I personally do not think there is a suitable gikuyu politician who would cut it for me as president of Kenya today. I have a different view of leadership that none of the noisemakers today fit into. My only view as I said in my post, if these groupings lead to lasting peace in Kenya, then I am all for them. No apologies for that either mate! |
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 12, 2012 2:12:54 GMT 3
Kamalet Your argument that ethnic grouping would lead to stability is misplaced. Your ingenious suggestion is to preserve the presidency for the Agikuyu while raiding on the backs of others. That is the same nonsense Jaluos are puking all over with the idol worshipping of Raila even when ODM is furiously leaking with Mudavadi soon to depart. Soon ODM will be another omera party! Yours is tribal call that does injustice to the pool of leadership in the country. When you elect someone because he is from a given tribal, he skills and quality are under sold. You have shamelessly coloured your call with tribalism. Nothing exists to indicate that the Boran or the Rendille, the Pokomo and the Kuria, the Samburu and the Turkana do not have persons qualified to be president. Yet no one here could be pointing to viable candidates from any of these smaller groupings of people living in Kenya. You are a hypocrite, same as the Luos fronting for Raila, and so on. We have been sold tribalism that we think we live in our little cocoons. Maybe it is time to carve the country so that every tribe could be comfortable in their little backyard. Ask any of those chanting their tribesman for presidency to support the next president a candidate from any of the small tribes named like Turkana, Somali or Pokomo and the suggestion will be met with a lot of resistance all the while being rationalised in non-tribal terms. With your mind-set and considering your age, it is no coincidence that only the big tribes in Kenya have been able to front major Presidential candidates all the while claiming to be above tribal politics. All have fronted or lobbied for candidates from the bigger tribes while ensuring that their big tribes were well allied and positioned to be in the thick of things in any proposed regime. People like you are supporting groupings of tribes with a view to ensuring that your tribal interests were represented, nor Kenyan interest. The truth is, besides Agikuyu, Kalenjin, Luos and Akamba, no other tribes had a chance of being able to position a candidate of their tribe to make any sort of headlines in the past elections. I hold the same to be true in future elections despite the creation of counties. I believe only by coalition can the vested interests be realised especially in Kenya in tandem with all others. Even within your treasured Agikuyu, there are more or less coalitions amongst the different sections, never unison entity. There has never been a united Agikuyus across the land. They fought themselves, at times in coalition with the Maasai against other Agikuyus. The same can be said of the Luos, whose internal animosity is legendary, or the Luhya, even Kalenjins. Today, the Luo elders who only come from Siaya claim to be representatives of the Luo nation. For your information, hostility led the Agikuyu to exist in three different and distinct "nations" The Kikuyu Northern nation The Kikuyu Eastern nation And the Kikuyu Southern nation I doubt if you know which one you come from, figure it out. Sadik Like many you completely missed the point and your diatribe against the gikuyu and the luos was totally uncalled for. The luo, kalenjin or even the gikuyu for that matter cannot make any apologies for their large numbers over the pokomo or rendille. If you wish to know I personally do not think there is a suitable gikuyu politician who would cut it for me as president of Kenya today. I have a different view of leadership that none of the noisemakers today fit into. My only view as I said in my post, if these groupings lead to lasting peace in Kenya, then I am all for them. No apologies for that either mate! Kamale I totally agree with you I guess if you don't think there is suitable gikuyu politician in your view suitable to be president in the next election and I'm sure others on here feel the same in regards those representing other tribes currently how about we hook up some of our own jukwaa members who are not into tribal trivial nonsense to stand for presidency & Senate seats? 1. President Nereah 2. President Kathure Kebaara 3.President Kamale 4. President Job 5. President Oitishotis Hey there are many choices to pick from- The administrator maybe be our next Attorney General ( better than the one in office today) We all have to start somewhere or else keeep  if we can't act to change the statuesque!! lets make a pick and run a campaign around the individual it is not an impossible task if an individual is willing.. as long as members here can rally behind the chosen individual.. this means no tribalism, just solid clean politics.. I believe there are some very intelligent members here on Jukwa that can give wakina Uhuru, Raila, Ruto, Mudavdi, Karua, Kenneth, Tuju e.t.c a run for their money.. what they lack is big $$$$$ behind them as in the case of politicking in Kenya. Why keep talking about unsuitable presidential/ senate candidate vying for seats in the next elections? why not have one of our own Jukwaa member to show them how it is done.. or else history will judge us all as just mouth pieces no intended it is time members took some action show some solidarity.. ;D Members should remove their tribal dark shades at the door.. come in with open minds.. if Jukwaa is termed as a tribal blog then what hope does Kenya have? |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Apr 12, 2012 8:37:59 GMT 3
I don’t think I missed anything, and my points of view cannot be called diatribe. No one is asking you to make apologies for your numbers. All I am saying is that you are lying through your teeth when you say the tribal grouping formation are good because they enhance stability. My view is that there is no stability when the ‘tribes’ are not united at the first place! And, I went on to show you how disunited the ‘tribes’ are, resulting in instability.
Your support of such grouping is only for one purpose – to gain to the presidency by raiding on the back of others. I find that repugnant.
Further, is it not the duty of the security arms to maintain law and order and enforce stability? Why would we delegate such an important duty to ragtag tribal grouping? If I remember well, it is such a joke that gave mungiki a lifeline when they were allowed to venture into security of the Matatu terminals instead of letting the police, who are paid to maintain order, do their job. The consequence was the mayhem killing of mainly Kikuyus.
Kenya is not for a few selected ‘tribes’ and the quicker people state to embrace that, the steadier the country will move forward. Gone are the days when some outfit with no proper basis in Law will dictate terms on governance, and security.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 12, 2012 14:58:13 GMT 3
Sadik
The argument becomes difficult to sustain when you become a mind reader and call me a liar.
Do I ignore the political connotations of the groupings? No and I have stated that they perhaps have the single aim of locking out an individual.
What I was a lot more interested in was the offshoot of such an alliance being a vehicle that could ensure there will not be anymore ethnic clashes say between the gikuyu and kalenjin and the political price for me is too insignificant.
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Very lucrative for both!
if we can't act to change the statuesque!!