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Post by jakaswanga on May 2, 2012 20:02:48 GMT 3
jakaswanga,Sometimes people get fixated on these things for no reason. In the US tea party types whine everyday that President Obama uses his presidential jet and privilleges to campaign. When the president flies to California or New York for fundraising they complain. It is as if they want the president to use his own helicopter or drive himself to these places. That has never happened in the history of the United States and they all know but but this is Obama and tea party folks have to whine about him. The president knows that and just ignores them. Not long ago Kibaki was in Uganda at Makerere University to recieve his honorary degree. I doubt he went there in a matatu from Nyeri or by boat through Lake Victoria with all the hacynth. He flew with his presidential jet. How many people complained here in Jukwaa? The focus of Raila's visit was to recieve a honorary degree from the prestigious Florida A & M University which only last year announced an extensive deal to work with Kenyan universities in various areas. Raila recieved his degree not as the leader of ODM but as the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya. In fact the arrangements of cooperation announced last year between Kenya and Florida & M university among others took place when the same Raila visited the US to promote such cooperation. So what really is the big deal about Raila visiting the US primarily to recieve a honorary degree as the PM of the Republic of Kenya? Why do some people want him to go there riding a bicycle? Adongo,The big deal which escapes you, is financial accounting of public money. And political accountability: of what use to the public? Raila can of course travel to any corner of the world as often as he likes, to receive as many honorary doctorates as Nelson Mandela (who once joked he has collected enough to fill a football-sized museum!). The accountability would be the deliberation whether it is an expense worth incurring on public money. In transparent democracies, an abc. In aspiring, wannabe progressive third world leaders, perhaps an example to copy. All the way to the Scandinavian freedom of information acts on politicians expenses based on the adage: you spend my money, i will ask you everyday to the last cent how you did it. A phobia for being conned, and walhala, they run the world's cleanest regimes up there. Maybe you slept through this particular module of public finances in africa during the hefty lectures of that professor who is now in the committee vetting judges. [For instance an adequate answer would be: the university took care of all the bills. Minding you taxpayers are already overburdened enough by a thieving ruling class]. Kibaki has made a career out of pilfering the public kitty for many decades, and has no claims to transparency, modernity and the rest... So to use Kibaki's behaviour as collateral against Raila's [the doyen of progressive, pro people politics] is a feat in mental paralysis. -------------------------------- Then the term kleptocracy became particularly applicable to African leaders. The classic case, and object of much study was the practice of Mobutu. Some even coined a term, mobutunomics: Since he was 24/7 through out in the service of Zaire, there was no need separating his personal finances from that of the state. And of course, the people would not really want him to do that. They would feel much insulted, because it would suggest they did not trust him! NB: Obama does not ignore the whines, as you put it, of the tea-parties. he minds it carefully. How. You have to check a comparison table between how he uses his financial rights/previlleges as president, in relation to ex presidents. Obama is very prudent! So prudent there is a joke about it! (that is an intelligent way of ignoring the whining loonies. So too did Obama take the oath of office twice, sequence correct second time around! with that he can ignore whines about the public one taken with a stutter!] This is politics Adongo! and the biggest criminals in history are politicians. Keep them on their toes, and break free from the trance of their charisma.
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Post by Omwenga on May 2, 2012 21:13:38 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga arrives back home from USA tour tomorrow Thursday morning at 6:30.am at the JKIA. The PM is expected to hold a media briefing at 7am at JKIA's VIP Lounge during which he is expected to brief the media about his trip to the USA and also comment political developments in the country and the region. Phil,My hunch is the PM will not make much of Mudavadi's announcement at the press conference even though the media and his opponents and haters would love to see him shed a tear over his deputy's departure from ODM. Here is how I would handle it: Ladies and Gentlemen. I am happy to be back home after a successful trip to the US where I was bestowed an honorary doctorate degree. You can now call me Rt. Hon. Prime Minister Dr. Raila Amolo Odinga or simply, Dr. Raila.
I heard while I was away that someone left our party. This is normal politics (aide leaning and whispering to his ear)--sorry, I have been told its my friend the DPM Mudavadi who left. Reporter: Dr. Raila, who are you going to replace Mudavadi with as your running mate? Dr. Raila: I can see you still don't get it. ODM is not my party. ODM belongs to its members. I am simply its leader and if my deputy has seen it fit to seek greener pastures elsewhere that nobody else sees, then a replacement will be sought and announced in accordance with our constitution. I am sure you know there are many within and outside ODM who would love the opportunity to ride with the winners to victory in December serving in any capacity. Reporter: Mr. P..sorry, Dr. Prime Minister, do you mean victory in December or March 2013. Dr. Raila. You see, I am always with the people and the people are always with me. A vast majority of Kenyans want elections held in December as they always have. I know the constitutional court ruled that the elections must be held in March unless the president and I agree on a date in 2012 but that decision is on appeal. I have told the president I am okay with holding elections in December 2012. I cannot comment on the pending case regarding elections date but all I am saying is the people's wishes should be taken into account particularly on an issue such as this. If the constitutional court decision is let stand, and nothing is done to change the date, then that is something we would have to abide by consistent with the rule of law. Reporter: Many are saying that Mudavadi's departure complicates your path to State House; what impact do you think Mudavadi's defection is going to have on your candidacy? Dr. Raila: This is a free country. People are free to do what they believe is good for them and their political interests. I am more concerned about making my case to the people about where I want to take this country and ...(another aide whispering to him) as you saw from the most recent polls, more Kenyans believe in what I have to offer and that's what I am going to be focused and not worry about what others are doing. Thank you.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 2, 2012 21:22:29 GMT 3
Over here, I don't know anyone with an honorary doctorate who thinks they should be referred to as "Dr.". Nor do I know of anyone who refers to them as "Dr.". Which reminds me: what ever happened to the "professor" of an online "university"--- "credit for life experience!", "degree right away!", "only $XX.95, shipping and handling included!"---who's on the presidential ballot this year? Wakojoya or something like that, he's called.
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 21:51:32 GMT 3
Omwenga
The PM is fully informed about what is going on locally. Citizen TV confirms that it will suspend normal programming to bring a live transmission of the PM's press conference at 7am tomorrow, and that the PM will be issuing a statement regarding the defection of Musalia Mudavadi from ODM. So this is not something inconsequential that we may want to brush aside. Mudavadi has made some very outrageous allegations on national TV which if not rebuffed with facts immediately may be misconstrued to be true. Already, there is a strong welcoming party being mobilised to be at JKIA by 6am tomorrow. Hope to see you there!!! Am watching opinion poll question on the main channels, majority feel that Mudavadi must also quit the DPM position as well as resign from the ODM party and seek a fresh mandate.
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Post by Omwenga on May 2, 2012 22:13:13 GMT 3
Omwenga
The PM is fully informed about what is going on locally. Citizen TV confirms that it will suspend normal programming to bring a live transmission of the PM's press conference at 7am tomorrow, and that the PM will be issuing a statement regarding the defection of Musalia Mudavadi from ODM. So this is not something inconsequential that we may want to brush aside. Mudavadi has made some very outrageous allegations on national TV which if not rebuffed with facts immediately may be misconstrued to be true. Already, there is a strong welcoming party being mobilised to be at JKIA by 6am tomorrow. Hope to see you there!!! Am watching opinion poll question on the main channels, majority feel that Mudavadi must also quit the DPM position as well as resign from the ODM party and seek a fresh mandate. Phil,I don't know anyone who knows the goings on in the country whether in or out of it than Jakom. That's just my take on what he should do Regarding the charges Mudavadi made, you could see the man was reading stuff he had no idea what it was he was saying; he was handed a script and just read it and therefore must be treated accordingly---there is actually a better way to deal with it than having the PM respond to it. BTW, I am arriving afterwards so I'll miss the show.
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Post by job on May 2, 2012 22:21:32 GMT 3
Omwenga
The PM is fully informed about what is going on locally. Citizen TV confirms that it will suspend normal programming to bring a live transmission of the PM's press conference at 7am tomorrow, and that the PM will be issuing a statement regarding the defection of Musalia Mudavadi from ODM. So this is not something inconsequential that we may want to brush aside. Mudavadi has made some very outrageous allegations on national TV which if not rebuffed with facts immediately may be misconstrued to be true. Already, there is a strong welcoming party being mobilised to be at JKIA by 6am tomorrow. Hope to see you there!!! Am watching opinion poll question on the main channels, majority feel that Mudavadi must also quit the DPM position as well as resign from the ODM party and seek a fresh mandate. For Musalia Mudavadi to try following the precedent set by Uhuru Kenyatta regarding the DPM position shows he doesn't get it. Uhuru Kenyatta argues that the DPM is a Constitutional position reserved for the PNU coalition - in which he is still a member. On the other hand, Mudavadi is no longer a member of ODM - thus he has no business masquerading in a Constitutional position reserved for ODM. Even courts can sort this basic legal matter. Musalia has officially announced he is no longer a member of ODM. In fact, he has left, and is currently poaching others from the ODM secretariat itself to join him. The cash from political godfathers is finding immediate use to chip-off pieces from Kenya's biggest party. This tabia mbaya will likely backfire. It seems Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi who announces his new party today is determined to weaken ODM further by poaching officials from the Orange House secretariat. Mudavadi's allies have targeted three long-serving staff at Orange House. The three are expected to bring their institutional memory and experience to bear on the running of Mudavadi's new party. Among the enticements being offered is double the salaries the officials are earning at the ODM. www.the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/73766-corridors-of-power
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Post by phil on May 2, 2012 22:32:20 GMT 3
Job and OmwengaYou are right. Mudavadi is throwing money everywhere. Ask ODM delegates why they suddenly want him to keep touring their zones. Mudavadi wants to justify his net worth to his new political benefactors. As a matter of fact.........." Mr. Charles Werengai, a member of ODM Elections Board resigned from his position today, moments after Mudavadi announced his move to UDFP.
Werengai who is a staunch support of Mudavadi cited the controversial clause in ODM”s constitution, which makes the party leader as its automatic candidate for the presidency, as his major reason for quitting the orange party." Read more: westfm.co.ke/index.php?page=news&bid=5336#ixzz1tk5IDvupUnder Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives
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Post by adongo23456 on May 2, 2012 22:45:58 GMT 3
Omwenga
The PM is fully informed about what is going on locally. Citizen TV confirms that it will suspend normal programming to bring a live transmission of the PM's press conference at 7am tomorrow, and that the PM will be issuing a statement regarding the defection of Musalia Mudavadi from ODM. So this is not something inconsequential that we may want to brush aside. Mudavadi has made some very outrageous allegations on national TV which if not rebuffed with facts immediately may be misconstrued to be true. Already, there is a strong welcoming party being mobilised to be at JKIA by 6am tomorrow. Hope to see you there!!! Am watching opinion poll question on the main channels, majority feel that Mudavadi must also quit the DPM position as well as resign from the ODM party and seek a fresh mandate. For Musalia Mudavadi to try following the precedent set by Uhuru Kenyatta regarding the DPM position shows he doesn't get it. Uhuru Kenyatta argues that the DPM is a Constitutional position reserved for the PNU coalition - in which he is still a member. On the other hand, Mudavadi is no longer a member of ODM - thus he has no business masquerading in a Constitutional position reserved for ODM. Even courts can sort this basic legal matter. Musalia has officially announced he is no longer a member of ODM. In fact, he has left, and is currently poaching others from the ODM secretariat itself to join him. The cash from political godfathers is finding immediate use to chip-off pieces from Kenya's biggest party. This tabia mbaya will likely backfire. It seems Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi who announces his new party today is determined to weaken ODM further by poaching officials from the Orange House secretariat. Mudavadi's allies have targeted three long-serving staff at Orange House. The three are expected to bring their institutional memory and experience to bear on the running of Mudavadi's new party. Among the enticements being offered is double the salaries the officials are earning at the ODM. www.the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/73766-corridors-of-power job, Mudavadi has to stop worrying about ODM and start worrying about UDFP, Uhuru's outfit which he has been allowed to occupy probably as a back up plan. It will take less than a week before Mudavadi starts getting headaches from UDFP. His very idea of annointing himself as the UDFP presidential candidate even without the pretext of internal consultations leave alone of form of a nomination process is going to come back to haunt him. Coronations can be messy things particularly when there is no real throne to occupy and only pretend thrones which everybody feels entitled to. Now the idea that Mudavadi will just import his own aides and poach some from ODM to come run UDFP for him is an insult to those already in UDFP. They too want to eat and if Mudavadi's new found loads of cash is just for his imported friends he is fooling himself. Everybody has a mouth. Aides to politicians in Kenya are always a menace apart from being permanent leeches. I am sure there are aides in the Mudavadi camp who kept pushing him to leave ODM because they wanted to be able to eat properly running the Mudavadi bus even if it ends up in a ditch. So dragging in a new set of aides with doubled salaries is just opening the pandora box. I think Mudavadi needs a clean break from ODM and go do his business instead of dragging ODM on and on. He has quit. Even bad mouthing ODM will not help him. In fact he is a sitting duck for ODM right now. They are going to blast him as the hypocrite that he is proving to be. The nonsense that Mudavadi wanted internal democracy in ODM had been exposed as a fraud by his own action of seeking coronation in UDFP, a party for which he has contributed nothing. When you leave the old mummy house at least hang out with the boys and girls and stop crying about mummy all the time, otherwise you just look immature and ridiculous. It is time for Mudavadi to learn to walk on his own, may be for the first time in his entire life. You can't crawl out there because there is no mummy to pick you up. Get up and walk.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 2, 2012 23:26:22 GMT 3
Mudavadi can't make a break from ODM. He is a lightweight whose only path into a higher division is through ODM, whether in opposition or within ODM. Are people (including Mudavadi) talking about the man and his principles and vision for Kenya? Are people saying anything about Mudavadi that is independent of ODM? Etc. Etc. Etc. Meet the new Mr. Kati-Kati.
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Post by job on May 2, 2012 23:42:52 GMT 3
Adongo et al.,Mudavadi doesn't seem to agree with you - on the need to let go issues in old mama's house...I also notice some protectiveness over Moi...and guilt upon being unearthed as a project... He denied that he had received discreet backing from former President Daniel Moi in his bid for the Presidency.
"We should leave Moi to rest, he is in his 90s and we respect him as an elder statesman. I find it absolutely strange that people keep making such claims. There is serious lack of imagination among those coming up with such theories as Moi's name would not be in the Presidential ballot," Mudavadi said.
He added: "It is part of a classic propoganda machine of disinformation from my opponents who are trying to paint me as a project," he said. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057451&cid=4PROJECT you are Mudavadi!!!! Indeed Moi and Museveni’s project! It is less than a month since Mudavadi, his wife Tessie, and Mark Too were feted Ugali by President Museveni at State House Kampala (Uganda) – April 3rd, 2012 (10 am to lunch). the-star.co.ke/national/national/70439--mudavadi-in-secret-meeting-with-museveniEvery Tom, Dick and Harry knows whose roving ambassador Mark Too is. Mark Too ain’t no Raila or Kibaki political broker! He is Moi’s special messenger. Immediately after the Kampala visit, people just noticed strange things. The moneybags started raining from Mudavadi's corner towards; ODM County delegates; ODM Councillors, select media; select commentators (Opanga, Ngunyi et al); ODM Secretariat; several ODM MPs and even the so called UDF’s ownership. A lot of cash has indeed exchanged hands in between Ugali sessions. The rest is now history.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 3, 2012 2:34:43 GMT 3
Adongo et al.,Mudavadi doesn't seem to agree with you - on the need to let go issues in old mama's house...I also notice some protectiveness over Moi...and guilt upon being unearthed as a project... He denied that he had received discreet backing from former President Daniel Moi in his bid for the Presidency.
"We should leave Moi to rest, he is in his 90s and we respect him as an elder statesman. I find it absolutely strange that people keep making such claims. There is serious lack of imagination among those coming up with such theories as Moi's name would not be in the Presidential ballot," Mudavadi said.
He added: "It is part of a classic propoganda machine of disinformation from my opponents who are trying to paint me as a project," he said. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057451&cid=4PROJECT you are Mudavadi!!!! Indeed Moi and Museveni’s project! It is less than a month since Mudavadi, his wife Tessie, and Mark Too were feted Ugali by President Museveni at State House Kampala (Uganda) – April 3rd, 2012 (10 am to lunch). the-star.co.ke/national/national/70439--mudavadi-in-secret-meeting-with-museveniEvery Tom, Dick and Harry knows whose roving ambassador Mark Too is. Mark Too ain’t no Raila or Kibaki political broker! He is Moi’s special messenger. Immediately after the Kampala visit, people just noticed strange things. The moneybags started raining from Mudavadi's corner towards; ODM County delegates; ODM Councillors, select media; select commentators (Opanga, Ngunyi et al); ODM Secretariat; several ODM MPs and even the so called UDF’s ownership. A lot of cash has indeed exchanged hands in between Ugali sessions. The rest is now history. job,I get your point. But here is the real dilemma for Mudavadi. This Standard Story is interesting. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057512&cid=4&ttl=Mudavadi%20move%20excites%20interest%20in%20central%20KenyaThe Uhuru hawks in Central are telling Mudavadi to work with Uhuru, just in case Uhuru is barred with crimes against humanity. Which incidentally were committed on Kenyans. So will Mudavadi be working for Uhuru in that case or for Kenyans whom he wants to elect him? That is a question he will face squarely in the campaign trail. Things could even get worse if Uhuru and co decide to bolt and become international fugitives. These are real issues and they are coming down the pipe. Secondly they (Uhuru hawks in Central) are making Mudavadi look like the new flower girl for Uhuru, if he behaves (promises to work with and/or protect mutha). How about the older flower girls? Where is Ruto in all these? Uhuru's herlings featured prominently in the so called launch and that is what the Standard story above is all about. How about Ruto's herlings? Is Ruto now a discarded flower girl for Uhuru? What does that say to the so called Kalenjin votes that Ruto was supposed to amass for Uhuru? Have they become disposable or does Uhuru just want the votes and not the Ruto baggage who seems unsellable in Central. Where does this leave the tribal arithmetic experts who were already adding Uhuru votes (read Kikuyus) and Ruto votes (read Kalenjins)? Basically tribal vote experts have to come with a new calculus to figure out the new complex scenario. And how about the other flower girl Mr. Eugene Wamalwa? Is he now disposable? Where does he fall? What will the new arrangement buy for him? A governor's seat? A senate seat? How will that work out with the "Bukusu" voters whom Wamalwa the "presidential candidate or Uhuru running mate" was supposed to bring? Go figure. Don't forget the original flower girl, Kalonzo Musyoka who was promised in the thick of the mayhem in 2008 that if he can jump to bed with Kibaki and PNU and save Kibaki from the electoral theft nightmare, he is guaranteed the presidency come 2012. Is he dead now? Talk about being used and discarded! This is just terrible. Where does Kalonzo go with his votes? To oblivion? Let me not start with the G7 dilemma. All that and more is what Mudavadi has to deal with now. The Tower of Babel is NOW staring him in the face. He asked for it. Mjienjoy. Au sio? My view is that the crude calculation that Uhuru will bring Kikuyu votes and Ruto will bring Kalenjin votes as Mudavadi brings Luhya votes to something we don't even know is a house of cards that can't stand even in the next few months. We are going to see this thing fall apart in just months. Enjoy the show.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 3:10:44 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is.
The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 3, 2012 3:17:50 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is. The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet. I doubt you even have a clue what you are talking about so I won't bother with it. Like I said enjoy the show. It is free.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 5:13:17 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is. The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet. mwalimumkuu"The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy"We all understand what you mean by boy here. Kenyan law doesn't allow boys to contest for any political office. Continue. You too will soon need a new handle. Cheap crap!
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Post by joblesscorner on May 3, 2012 5:25:11 GMT 3
Why do people wake up at 6am heading to the airport to welcome the PM, When a we going to have a working nation?
Dont see the point of heading to welcome the PM, Politicians should stop this.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 5:35:07 GMT 3
Adongo et al.,Mudavadi doesn't seem to agree with you - on the need to let go issues in old mama's house...I also notice some protectiveness over Moi...and guilt upon being unearthed as a project... He denied that he had received discreet backing from former President Daniel Moi in his bid for the Presidency.
"We should leave Moi to rest, he is in his 90s and we respect him as an elder statesman. I find it absolutely strange that people keep making such claims. There is serious lack of imagination among those coming up with such theories as Moi's name would not be in the Presidential ballot," Mudavadi said.
He added: "It is part of a classic propoganda machine of disinformation from my opponents who are trying to paint me as a project," he said. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057451&cid=4PROJECT you are Mudavadi!!!! Indeed Moi and Museveni’s project! It is less than a month since Mudavadi, his wife Tessie, and Mark Too were feted Ugali by President Museveni at State House Kampala (Uganda) – April 3rd, 2012 (10 am to lunch). the-star.co.ke/national/national/70439--mudavadi-in-secret-meeting-with-museveniEvery Tom, Dick and Harry knows whose roving ambassador Mark Too is. Mark Too ain’t no Raila or Kibaki political broker! He is Moi’s special messenger. Immediately after the Kampala visit, people just noticed strange things. The moneybags started raining from Mudavadi's corner towards; ODM County delegates; ODM Councillors, select media; select commentators (Opanga, Ngunyi et al); ODM Secretariat; several ODM MPs and even the so called UDF’s ownership. A lot of cash has indeed exchanged hands in between Ugali sessions. The rest is now history. job,I get your point. But here is the real dilemma for Mudavadi. This Standard Story is interesting. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057512&cid=4&ttl=Mudavadi%20move%20excites%20interest%20in%20central%20KenyaThe Uhuru hawks in Central are telling Mudavadi to work with Uhuru, just in case Uhuru is barred with crimes against humanity. Which incidentally were committed on Kenyans. So will Mudavadi be working for Uhuru in that case or for Kenyans whom he wants to elect him? That is a question he will face squarely in the campaign trail. Things could even get worse if Uhuru and co decide to bolt and become international fugitives. These are real issues and they are coming down the pipe. Secondly they (Uhuru hawks in Central) are making Mudavadi look like the new flower girl for Uhuru, if he behaves (promises to work with and/or protect mutha). How about the older flower girls? Where is Ruto in all these? Uhuru's herlings featured prominently in the so called launch and that is what the Standard story above is all about. How about Ruto's herlings? Is Ruto now a discarded flower girl for Uhuru? What does that say to the so called Kalenjin votes that Ruto was supposed to amass for Uhuru? Have they become disposable or does Uhuru just want the votes and not the Ruto baggage who seems unsellable in Central. Where does this leave the tribal arithmetic experts who were already adding Uhuru votes (read Kikuyus) and Ruto votes (read Kalenjins)? Basically tribal vote experts have to come with a new calculus to figure out the new complex scenario. And how about the other flower girl Mr. Eugene Wamalwa? Is he now disposable? Where does he fall? What will the new arrangement buy for him? A governor's seat? A senate seat? How will that work out with the "Bukusu" voters whom Wamalwa the "presidential candidate or Uhuru running mate" was supposed to bring? Go figure. Don't forget the original flower girl, Kalonzo Musyoka who was promised in the thick of the mayhem in 2008 that if he can jump to bed with Kibaki and PNU and save Kibaki from the electoral theft nightmare, he is guaranteed the presidency come 2012. Is he dead now? Talk about being used and discarded! This is just terrible. Where does Kalonzo go with his votes? To oblivion? Let me not start with the G7 dilemma. All that and more is what Mudavadi has to deal with now. The Tower of Babel is NOW staring him in the face. He asked for it. Mjienjoy. Au sio? My view is that the crude calculation that Uhuru will bring Kikuyu votes and Ruto will bring Kalenjin votes as Mudavadi brings Luhya votes to something we don't even know is a house of cards that can't stand even in the next few months. We are going to see this thing fall apart in just months. Enjoy the show. Adongoflower girls for these men? I just don't get it. Never heard of that expression. Care to explain. Like I told someone else, I'm slow, bear with me.
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Post by job on May 3, 2012 5:39:41 GMT 3
Adongo et al.,Mudavadi doesn't seem to agree with you - on the need to let go issues in old mama's house...I also notice some protectiveness over Moi...and guilt upon being unearthed as a project... He denied that he had received discreet backing from former President Daniel Moi in his bid for the Presidency.
"We should leave Moi to rest, he is in his 90s and we respect him as an elder statesman. I find it absolutely strange that people keep making such claims. There is serious lack of imagination among those coming up with such theories as Moi's name would not be in the Presidential ballot," Mudavadi said.
He added: "It is part of a classic propoganda machine of disinformation from my opponents who are trying to paint me as a project," he said. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057451&cid=4PROJECT you are Mudavadi!!!! Indeed Moi and Museveni’s project! It is less than a month since Mudavadi, his wife Tessie, and Mark Too were feted Ugali by President Museveni at State House Kampala (Uganda) – April 3rd, 2012 (10 am to lunch). the-star.co.ke/national/national/70439--mudavadi-in-secret-meeting-with-museveniEvery Tom, Dick and Harry knows whose roving ambassador Mark Too is. Mark Too ain’t no Raila or Kibaki political broker! He is Moi’s special messenger. Immediately after the Kampala visit, people just noticed strange things. The moneybags started raining from Mudavadi's corner towards; ODM County delegates; ODM Councillors, select media; select commentators (Opanga, Ngunyi et al); ODM Secretariat; several ODM MPs and even the so called UDF’s ownership. A lot of cash has indeed exchanged hands in between Ugali sessions. The rest is now history. job,I get your point. But here is the real dilemma for Mudavadi. This Standard Story is interesting. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000057512&cid=4&ttl=Mudavadi%20move%20excites%20interest%20in%20central%20KenyaThe Uhuru hawks in Central are telling Mudavadi to work with Uhuru, just in case Uhuru is barred with crimes against humanity. Which incidentally were committed on Kenyans. So will Mudavadi be working for Uhuru in that case or for Kenyans whom he wants to elect him? That is a question he will face squarely in the campaign trail. Things could even get worse if Uhuru and co decide to bolt and become international fugitives. These are real issues and they are coming down the pipe. Secondly they (Uhuru hawks in Central) are making Mudavadi look like the new flower girl for Uhuru, if he behaves (promises to work with and/or protect mutha). How about the older flower girls? Where is Ruto in all these? Uhuru's herlings featured prominently in the so called launch and that is what the Standard story above is all about. How about Ruto's herlings? Is Ruto now a discarded flower girl for Uhuru? What does that say to the so called Kalenjin votes that Ruto was supposed to amass for Uhuru? Have they become disposable or does Uhuru just want the votes and not the Ruto baggage who seems unsellable in Central. Where does this leave the tribal arithmetic experts who were already adding Uhuru votes (read Kikuyus) and Ruto votes (read Kalenjins)? Basically tribal vote experts have to come with a new calculus to figure out the new complex scenario. And how about the other flower girl Mr. Eugene Wamalwa? Is he now disposable? Where does he fall? What will the new arrangement buy for him? A governor's seat? A senate seat? How will that work out with the "Bukusu" voters whom Wamalwa the "presidential candidate or Uhuru running mate" was supposed to bring? Go figure. Don't forget the original flower girl, Kalonzo Musyoka who was promised in the thick of the mayhem in 2008 that if he can jump to bed with Kibaki and PNU and save Kibaki from the electoral theft nightmare, he is guaranteed the presidency come 2012. Is he dead now? Talk about being used and discarded! This is just terrible. Where does Kalonzo go with his votes? To oblivion? Let me not start with the G7 dilemma. All that and more is what Mudavadi has to deal with now. The Tower of Babel is NOW staring him in the face. He asked for it. Mjienjoy. Au sio? My view is that the crude calculation that Uhuru will bring Kikuyu votes and Ruto will bring Kalenjin votes as Mudavadi brings Luhya votes to something we don't even know is a house of cards that can't stand even in the next few months. We are going to see this thing fall apart in just months. Enjoy the show. That's exactly what I referred in the other thread as the prelude to the fat lady's song. The fat lady hasn't sang yet. Kalonzo Musyoka was the first to belt out his vocals...and the cunning Kibaki Kiama roared in approval. That was back on January 8th, 2008 when Musyoka took the bold selfish step to side with Kibaki's electoral rigging as Mr. Veep. Did I just hear Kibaki yesterday reaffirming to Musyoka that he has never endorsed him at any time (via the PPS)? Yup, that's how its played. Next came William Ruto's forced duet with Muthamaki. Ruto was so categorical that Musyoka's vocals didn't tune well with the popular tuko pamoja chorus. Well, the hit seems to have slowly faded. Najib Balala (he of Lesotho fame) hasn't excited loud approval from the audience. He simply failed to connect. The latest soloist exciting the cunning PNU audience is now Musalia Mudavadi. He is currently enjoying his 5 minutes of fame...he will being baptised (by the Kionis, Ngugis, and other Uhuru lackeys) with all manner of adjectives and nouns from Njamba.. hero... non-confrontational... a great compromise...etc. He is yet to meet the impending silence that eventually met Musyoka...the endorsement-that-never-was! Still awaited, is a breath-taking rendition of "helping my people" (Naivasha/Nakuru) by none other than Muthamaki...who needs the loudest cheers to survive the fierce contest. The fat lady hasn't sang yet.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 7:02:01 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is. The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet. mwalimumkuu"The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy"We all understand what you mean by boy here. Kenyan law doesn't allow boys to contest for any political office. Continue. You too will soon need a new handle. Cheap crap! Kathure,You surely have a problem, we shall need to have you examined. If you want to excommunicate me from Jukwaa because Mudavadi has left ODM, you are free any time any day, but we wont turn back the clock.
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Post by phil on May 3, 2012 7:35:17 GMT 3
Press conference completed! Hii baridi ya airport ni kali sana! Brrrrr.
Raila has addressed a variety of issues including Mudavadi's defection and semi-resignations. He has also taken and answered questions from a variety of journalists present.
Will come back with deeper analysis.
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Post by mzee on May 3, 2012 9:03:54 GMT 3
Phil, You should always, if you can, pre-empt the Kenyan bias media. Just give the full details here before they come up with their twisted version. You don't want to have an argument with them after the fact.
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 9:46:03 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu"The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy"We all understand what you mean by boy here. Kenyan law doesn't allow boys to contest for any political office. Continue. You too will soon need a new handle. Cheap crap! Kathure,You surely have a problem, we shall need to have you examined. If you want to excommunicate me from Jukwaa because Mudavadi has left ODM, you are free any time any day, but we wont turn back the clock. MMkuu I would ignore her....she does a fixation with certain things hence you 'boy' reference could only be seen in that light! She did not even see your reference to Ababu to make sense of what you were saying.
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Post by destiny on May 3, 2012 10:24:25 GMT 3
I did watch Rt Hon Dr Raila Odinga return back from the US live on Citizen TV. Sadly he seemed to be surrounded by hordes of Luo MPs on the front seats as well as on the platform something which reinforces sceptic view that ODM is nothing short of a regional party. Others jostling for camera angle behind the PM were opportunists from Western keen to catch his eye and eventually fill in the local Govt seat now that Musalia is gone. You can bet it's "their" seat, there would be bloodbath if it went to an "outsider" and you can take that to the bank. Apart from that, GREAT SPEECH AND WELCOME BACK JAKOM!
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 10:31:13 GMT 3
I did watch Rt Hon Dr Raila Odinga return back from the US live on Citizen TV. Sadly he seemed to be surrounded by hordes of Luo MPs on the front seats as well as on the platform something which reinforces sceptic view that ODM is nothing short of a regional party. Others jostling for camera angle behind the PM were opportunists from Western keen to catch his eye and eventually fill in the local Govt seat now that Musalia is gone. You can bet it's "their" seat, there would be bloodbath if it went to an "outsider" and you can take that to the bank. Apart from that, GREAT SPEECH AND WELCOME BACK JAKOM! ...sad reality huh?
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Post by mzee on May 3, 2012 11:24:40 GMT 3
I did watch Rt Hon Dr Raila Odinga return back from the US live on Citizen TV. Sadly he seemed to be surrounded by hordes of Luo MPs on the front seats as well as on the platform something which reinforces sceptic view that ODM is nothing short of a regional party. Others jostling for camera angle behind the PM were opportunists from Western keen to catch his eye and eventually fill in the local Govt seat now that Musalia is gone. You can bet it's "their" seat, there would be bloodbath if it went to an "outsider" and you can take that to the bank. Apart from that, GREAT SPEECH AND WELCOME BACK JAKOM! ...sad reality huh? Is this "sadder" than the KPA appointments that threatens to deny any Kikuyu presidential candidate votes from other regions? I dont think so? Think about it guys, think.
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Post by phil on May 3, 2012 12:41:46 GMT 3
Remarks by the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga, Prime Minister, at JKIA on his return from the United States
May 3, 2012
Good morning ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here early in the morning. I wanted to give you a short briefing on what was a most interesting visit to the United States.
The highlight of the visit was my keynote address at the Commencement Exercises at Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University in Tallahassee.
The University is one of the oldest specifically built in 1887 for African American youth and was once called Florida A and M College for Negroes! It is now the largest such university in America and considered the best of its kind. It is a partner for RIAT.
It was also instrumental in the creation of Egerton University in the 1970s.
It was a real pleasure and indeed an inspiration for me to come face to face with the dynamism, idealism and passion in the young students' drive to change not just their lives but the destiny of their nation.
Like our own youth, they are also motivated to change the status quo by their own needs to get and create jobs, to build their countries’ economies, and to be able to begin families.
Indeed, young people everywhere are the most ready to confront the realities that hold them back. They try to overcome societal divisions such as tribalism and racism to look for national solutions to common challenges.
It is the youth, rather than those who control the reigns of power now, who will determine the future of their societies including ours.
And it is these young people who mobilized to build grassroots support to bring a real revolution in America and in the process elect the first African-American President to lead the United States.
Our own young are similarly mobilizing to build a wave for change in the elections that lie just a few months ahead.
I know from my regular interactions with them that they will accept nothing less than a Kenya that caters to all its people's needs and aspirations.
As with our 2007 elections, we have a vibrant and intensely democratic campaign under way.
This time around however, our elections will be free and fair, with the new Constitution firmly in place, along with the reformed institutions it has spawned, such as the judiciary and IEBC.
Once police reforms are implemented, Kenyans will feel supremely confident that any efforts to subvert these elections or cause violence as happened at the last time will be nipped in bud.
We have seen everyone invest so heavily in the forthcoming election. It is patently clear to all that this election is going to determine Kenya's future for decades to come. It is a contest worth looking forward to.
It is in this democratic ferment and freedom that my good friend Musalia Mudavadi has freely chosen to pursue an opportunity to advance his own and Kenya's goals.
Hon Mudavadi and I have had a very productive and fruitful relationship. I wish him the very best in this new endeavour.
For our part, ODM remains firmly committed to be the flag bearer for reforms and the ideals of the second liberation that it has always stood for. This is what the people and the youth of Kenya wish for their nation.
That is why I strongly believe that ODM, as the only party which has championed these causes, will triumph at the next election. ODM will continue the process it had earlier embarked upon to change its constitution to allow open competition for the presidential ticket.
I remain very confident that in the coming election, Kenyans will choose reform and change over status quo. They will choose hope and unity over fear and more divisions. I am very confident ODM will win the election.
Finally, let me say a few words about the conflict just north of us that threatens the whole region. The young nation of South Sudan, launched with so much hope not even a year ago, is being subverted by its powerful northern neighbour.
South Sudan is a victim of military and economic aggression by Sudan, which has refused honour its treaty obligations to implement the CPA and conclude the paramount task of the demarcation of boundaries.
The international community must speak out against Sudan's intransigence and demand that it immediately cease all offensive acts which are causing so much suffering to our brothers and sisters on both sides of the border.
Thank you.
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