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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 13:02:07 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? Hopefully will not open the issue of his polytechnic diploma in Germany...!
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 13:28:05 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on May 3, 2012 14:57:20 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? Hopefully will not open the issue of his polytechnic diploma in Germany...! Kamale,Even stupidity should have limits. What is the desperation about Raila. I don't know what school you went to, if at all, and frankly I don't care. If you have skills to make a living that is fine with me. This gutter politics make you look rather silly. I am sorry to break that to you.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 15:06:02 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? Hopefully will not open the issue of his polytechnic diploma in Germany...! Kamale, That was just odd. Am told the man has been in that gown for the last one week. He must be very happy for the donated degree. Kweli maskini akipata ... hahaaaa!!
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Post by Omwenga on May 3, 2012 16:04:01 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is. The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet. Mwalimumkuu,After semi-analyzing how or what makes you tick (a full analysis is not necessary for the reasons everyone knows including yourself with the hint being there is really not much you say substantively to fully analyze but you are a classic Raila hater and vicariously yours truly as well, ) I have come to this conclusion: I should invite you to join me at an appointed time next week in Nairobi in an environment safe and secure for yours truly just so I actually get to confirm two things: (1) why you hate Raila so much and (2) why you have this name as your handle when everything you write contradicts it. This is a public offer and challenge you should accept or reject publicly. You have an option to accept privately and that would remain to be a rejection publicly but in that case it shouldn't matter, anyway. You have 46 hrs to do either or and the clock is ticking from my hitting send which I do now.
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Post by job on May 3, 2012 16:25:43 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? I think you're now crawling beneath your standards. By now you should have already known the personality of your Prime Minister; and the freedoms of each individual to celebrate any occassion in whatever way they derive satisfaction. You should have also guessed that Agwambo's audience is bigger than you. Maybe he didn't have you in mind when wearing that gown. You bet - so long as local media keep snubbing coverage of the PM's U.S. visit like they just did, he will make a dramatic statement (upon arrival) to be captured by just one picture. A picture speaks more than a thousand words. That's why you are discussing matters to do with the PM's graduation right now. The same talk is probably pervading many villages and streets as you post. Some in jest, some in hilarious mode, some with hate, some with jealousy, some with beaming pride, some in embarrasment, some with admiration. Some kids are wishing to be so famous in future - so they can also be honoured with doctorates from American Universities. That was the point of this photo-op! Hopefully, this will not open the issue of which UNIVERSITY or POLYTECHNIC you yourself went to IMMEDIATELY after completing Form-6 at the prestigious Starehe Boys Center?
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Post by deyiengs on May 3, 2012 17:17:51 GMT 3
Was that Raila Addressing a press conference while dressed in graduation gowns? Oh boy, by eyes did not see that, please someone tell me that's not the case.
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Post by job on May 3, 2012 17:30:45 GMT 3
Was that Raila Addressing a press conference while dressed in graduation gowns? Oh boy, by eyes did not see that, please someone tell me that's not the case. Kwani? What is?
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Post by phil on May 3, 2012 17:47:19 GMT 3
The Prime Minister has released an informative and objective press statement following his arrival.
I would have thought educated and well informed Kenyans on Jukwaa would be debating this statement rather than focus on issues bordering on idiocy as seen on some of the statements above.
Recently, one leading presidential candidate and ICC suspect was in Dubai and Qatar for up to two weeks. Kenyans never got to hear about this trip and how it could impact on their daily lives. It was all shrouded in secrecy. Yet another presidential candidate was in Uganda for a day as guest of President Museveni and hsi friends - a man who has openly invaded our country - in another secret tour. Both these visits added zero value to Kenya as a country but (you guessed it!) put a lot cash in the personal bank accounts of these so-called presidential candidates. These secretive visits were actually a conspiracy to defeat our democracy and social economic development yet you do not hear such vitrol as witnessed in the well intended trip by the Prime Minister to the USA.
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Post by akinyi2005 on May 3, 2012 17:57:51 GMT 3
Remarks by the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga, Prime Minister, at JKIA on his return from the United States May 3, 2012 Good morning ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here early in the morning. I wanted to give you a short briefing on what was a most interesting visit to the United States. The highlight of the visit was my keynote address at the Commencement Exercises at Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University in Tallahassee. The University is one of the oldest specifically built in 1887 for African American youth and was once called Florida A and M College for Negroes! It is now the largest such university in America and considered the best of its kind. It is a partner for RIAT. It was also instrumental in the creation of Egerton University in the 1970s. It was a real pleasure and indeed an inspiration for me to come face to face with the dynamism, idealism and passion in the young students' drive to change not just their lives but the destiny of their nation. Like our own youth, they are also motivated to change the status quo by their own needs to get and create jobs, to build their countries’ economies, and to be able to begin families. Indeed, young people everywhere are the most ready to confront the realities that hold them back. They try to overcome societal divisions such as tribalism and racism to look for national solutions to common challenges. It is the youth, rather than those who control the reigns of power now, who will determine the future of their societies including ours. And it is these young people who mobilized to build grassroots support to bring a real revolution in America and in the process elect the first African-American President to lead the United States. Our own young are similarly mobilizing to build a wave for change in the elections that lie just a few months ahead. I know from my regular interactions with them that they will accept nothing less than a Kenya that caters to all its people's needs and aspirations. As with our 2007 elections, we have a vibrant and intensely democratic campaign under way. This time around however, our elections will be free and fair, with the new Constitution firmly in place, along with the reformed institutions it has spawned, such as the judiciary and IEBC. Once police reforms are implemented, Kenyans will feel supremely confident that any efforts to subvert these elections or cause violence as happened at the last time will be nipped in bud. We have seen everyone invest so heavily in the forthcoming election. It is patently clear to all that this election is going to determine Kenya's future for decades to come. It is a contest worth looking forward to. It is in this democratic ferment and freedom that my good friend Musalia Mudavadi has freely chosen to pursue an opportunity to advance his own and Kenya's goals. Hon Mudavadi and I have had a very productive and fruitful relationship. I wish him the very best in this new endeavour. For our part, ODM remains firmly committed to be the flag bearer for reforms and the ideals of the second liberation that it has always stood for. This is what the people and the youth of Kenya wish for their nation. That is why I strongly believe that ODM, as the only party which has championed these causes, will triumph at the next election. ODM will continue the process it had earlier embarked upon to change its constitution to allow open competition for the presidential ticket. I remain very confident that in the coming election, Kenyans will choose reform and change over status quo. They will choose hope and unity over fear and more divisions. I am very confident ODM will win the election. Finally, let me say a few words about the conflict just north of us that threatens the whole region. The young nation of South Sudan, launched with so much hope not even a year ago, is being subverted by its powerful northern neighbour. South Sudan is a victim of military and economic aggression by Sudan, which has refused honour its treaty obligations to implement the CPA and conclude the paramount task of the demarcation of boundaries. The international community must speak out against Sudan's intransigence and demand that it immediately cease all offensive acts which are causing so much suffering to our brothers and sisters on both sides of the border. Thank you. Great speech!
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Post by genius on May 3, 2012 18:01:27 GMT 3
was it really necessary to put on the gown?
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Post by mintos on May 3, 2012 18:07:31 GMT 3
Kibaki went to Makerere the other day to receive an honorary degree right? The gown he wore was discussed then?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 18:12:01 GMT 3
I can see the reality is begining to sink as the bravado exits through the back door. When these guys were calling Mudavadi all kinds of names, they did not know that he could be 'adopted' elsewhere as well and accepted for the leader that he is. The truth is Mudavadi is not a boy, neither is he a Namwamba of Kenyan politics. He knows what he is getting into and where he is headed. Nobody owns the Kenyan electorate, if Mudavadi works hard he stands a chance just like any other. ODM aint seen anything yet, bado. They will soon be crying in the toilet. Mwalimumkuu,After semi-analyzing how or what makes you tick (a full analysis is not necessary for the reasons everyone knows including yourself with the hint being there is really not much you say substantively to fully analyze but you are a classic Raila hater and vicariously yours truly as well, ) I have come to this conclusion: I should invite you to join me at an appointed time next week in Nairobi in an environment safe and secure for yours truly just so I actually get to confirm two things: (1) why you hate Raila so much and (2) why you have this name as your handle when everything you write contradicts it. This is a public offer and challenge you should accept or reject publicly. You have an option to accept privately and that would remain to be a rejection publicly but in that case it shouldn't matter, anyway. You have 46 hrs to do either or and the clock is ticking from my hitting send which I do now. Omwenga,I think you are very mistaken. Throughout my short life here on Jukwaa, I am yet to come across any writing that would suggest, even remotely, that, there are people here who hate Raila, nope. All I see is very positive criticism. Compare that with what you read about Uhuru, Ruto, Kalonzo, etc (I am afraid Mudavadi could join this group very soon) and you will feel sorry for yourself. I personally know and believe that, Raila the man is a very good fellow, but he is seriously intellectually challenged (feckless, if you get what I mean), and that, his advisers do nothing to help him. Omwenga, you tell me, how could you as this guy's adviser, tell the whole Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya to hop into a washroom at the JKIA to dress up in a graduation gown so as to talk to the media? I mean, how many brides have you seen on the streets of Nairobi in their wedding dresses, weeks after their wedding? If Raila was just another villager from Muhoroni, I would not be bothered with some of these small things, but then, this is a man who wants to be my president, and is very much up there with those who have a chance of actually occupying state house. If we fail to question some of these bizarre actions, we shall be failing in our responsibilities as citizens.
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 18:17:12 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? Hopefully will not open the issue of his polytechnic diploma in Germany...! Kamale,Even stupidity should have limits. What is the desperation about Raila. I don't know what school you went to, if at all, and frankly I don't care. If you have skills to make a living that is fine with me. This gutter politics make you look rather silly. I am sorry to break that to you. Adongo It is not gutter politics. The man wore a gown he changed into in a JKIA toilet (I cannot even think that he wore on the long flight from the US) and this something totally unnecessary. The fact that you cannot even see it is sufficiently telling and I will not blame you.
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 18:24:59 GMT 3
...just what was this nonesense of his wearing graduation gown at JKIA? I think you're now crawling beneath your standards. By now you should have already known the personality of your Prime Minister; and the freedoms of each individual to celebrate any occassion in whatever way they derive satisfaction. You should have also guessed that Agwambo's audience is bigger than you. Maybe he didn't have you in mind when wearing that gown. You bet - so long as local media keep snubbing coverage of the PM's U.S. visit like they just did, he will make a dramatic statement (upon arrival) to be captured by just one picture. A picture speaks more than a thousand words. That's why you are discussing matters to do with the PM's graduation right now. The same talk is probably pervading many villages and streets as you post. Some in jest, some in hilarious mode, some with hate, some with jealousy, some with beaming pride, some in embarrasment, some with admiration. Some kids are wishing to be so famous in future - so they can also be honoured with doctorates from American Universities. That was the point of this photo-op! Hopefully, this will not open the issue of which UNIVERSITY or POLYTECHNIC you yourself went to IMMEDIATELY after completing Form-6 at the prestigious Starehe Boys Center? Job Do kindly note: Agwambo's audience is greater than mine...FACT Agwambo's appearance in that gown was juvenile...FACT The discussion is not about the graduation, but the sillyness of that gown...FACT Job sees nothing wrong with that silly appearance...FACT ...and I could go on!
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Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 18:26:04 GMT 3
Kibaki went to Makerere the other day to receive an honorary degree right? The gown he wore was discussed then? ....nope for the simple reason he did appear at JKIA wearing it! It would have been discussed you can bet on that!
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Post by emali on May 3, 2012 18:30:09 GMT 3
was it really necessary to put on the gown? I had to look twice too...Nairobi is kinda cold though ;D
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Post by bob on May 3, 2012 18:35:44 GMT 3
Ladies & gentlemen it really does not have to degenerate to what RAO dresses in. Are we now going to interrogate whether he was wearing boxers. Looks like he is becoming a man that many hate to love. Please!!!!!!!
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Post by adongo23456 on May 3, 2012 19:22:15 GMT 3
Ladies & gentlemen it really does not have to degenerate to what RAO dresses in. Are we now going to interrogate whether he was wearing boxers. Looks like he is becoming a man that many hate to love. Please!!!!!!! My sentiments exactly. What people wear is really none of my business. I will draw the line on people running up and down the streets in their underwears. But other than that this whole discussion about what Raila is wearing is way too petty. There are people out there who can dissect, analyse, construct, deconstruct and debate these kinds of things for weeks. That is their territory of intellectual and stimulating debates. Why take it away from them? Or better still why not just go to those fora and jump in the mud with the lunatics. Let's keep some dignity for ourselves even as we wail in feigned agony. If there is nothing else to discuss in this thread move on. It is not the end of the world, or is it?
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Post by johns on May 3, 2012 19:53:18 GMT 3
That was one of the silliest thing to do. What was he thinking?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 20:14:25 GMT 3
That was one of the silliest thing to do. What was he thinking? The man just 'got' a degree. How else would you expect peasants in Kenya to know that their PM is not a doctor, if Job's view is anything to go by? ... and remember, we still have some contested view here on Jukwaa that, this man actually dropped out of Maranda school in standard seven second term. This gown should therefore really mean a lot to the PM.
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Post by akinyi2005 on May 3, 2012 20:17:44 GMT 3
So what if the man chooses to sleep in his gown for the next one week? Do we ever complain when our athletes arrive wearing their medals? be serious people......now back to what is supposed to be the hottest item on the menu (MM)
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Post by bob on May 3, 2012 20:28:15 GMT 3
Quite unfortunate that RAO haters can be so petty to extent that if he sneezes it becomes criminal. That is stooping too low & cheap.
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Post by man on May 3, 2012 20:56:22 GMT 3
So what if the man chooses to sleep in his gown for the next one week? Do we ever complain when our athletes arrive wearing their medals? be serious people......now back to what is supposed to be the hottest item on the menu (MM) I think this is the best counter/rejoinder to all these gown hullabaloo
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Post by Ouali on May 3, 2012 23:50:49 GMT 3
Yes it's petty to discuss Agwambos "unfortunate regalia" but surely why did he have to wear it in the first place. If he wanted people not to talk about it, he should have known better. I am told he delivered an "excellent speech" at JKIA but now all these is drowned with the "unfortunate regalia" story One, the regalia adds no value to the kenyan public the PM serves if not for his misplaced ego. Two, I would expect kalembe Ndile or Some Garbatuny of the "dialogue" fame to do the same but least from a former lecturer of UoN in the person of the PM of the republic of kenya. True, the press blackout during the PMs trip to the US could have pushed him to this end but its true such tactless acts add no value to the daily suffering of kenyans nor to the intergrity of the PM. On the contrary it shows just how out of touch one is from reality on the ground. Such are the follies of power. How I wished the PM talked about the recently voted finance bill that left the doors open for his fellow MPs to steal from the already strained public coffers. It is dissapointing that the reformist that the PM claims to be is more evident in gowns at airports than in real issues that affect the public he so much claims to fight for. The PM can surely do better than that and anyone who denies this should really ask himself what they really stand for. However on another note, Politicians world over more so in Africa are known to excel in sideshows when they are either in trouble, have no options or want to hide some shaddy deals. One day we will discover the real reason behind Railas "unfortunate regalia" but in the meantime it remains a misstep and worse more an insult to the public the PM serves.
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