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Post by kamalet on Apr 30, 2012 11:37:48 GMT 3
What utter rubbish. Other than your stupid ethnic chauvinism do you have any proof that any one of these individuals did not acquire their jobs through merit?
I fully agree that there's ethnic baiting going on (this, you ought to have realised by now, is standard ODMer nonsense). But it does not follow that merit is the only relevant consideration. As the video points out, there's a case that the appointments to the board fail to obey the provisions in the constitution that require broad representation. Even if all the appointees are fully qualified for their positions, the question whether their appointments are compatible with equal opportunity remains. Shorter me: ODMer bullsh!t doesn't invalidate the constitution.Please have a look at the list being circulated and note the anomalies! Baramadi Shukri- Chairman - Lamu, Khadija Karim director -Lamu Abdallah Fadhil Director -Lamu Ian Karanja Director -Central Bernard Gaithua Director -Central Eunice Njeru Director Central Joseph Kinyua PS Finance Central Cyrus Njiru PS Transport Central James Waweru Rep Attoney G Central Edward Ngige Rep. Inspector State Central Gichiri Ndua MD kpa Central Muthoni Gatere Corparation/board Central. Nduva Muli MD Kenya Railways Eastern. Now look at the KPA Act on the composition of the Board: 4. There shall be a board of directors of the Authority, in this Act referred to as the Board, which shall consist ofโ (a) a Chairman of the Board who shall be appointed by the Minister;
(b) the Managing Director;
(c) the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry for the time being responsible for ports;
(d) the Permanent Secretary to the Treasury;
(e) the Managing Director of the Kenya Railways Corporation; and
(f) not more than six persons, not being public officers or employees of the Authority, to be appointed by the Minister by virtue of their knowledge of shipping and port operation or of commerce, industry, finance or administration generally.Most importantly is that the names are not right: Here is the correct list of Directors: Baramadi Shukri- Chairman - Lamu,Khadija Karim director -Lamu Abdallah Fadhil Director -Lamu Hassan Kulow - Director N E P Bernard Gaithuma Njuguna - Director -Central Eunice Wanja Njeru - Director -Central Catherine W Kuria - Director Central Joseph Kinyua PS - Finance Central Cyrus Njiru PS - Transport Central Githu Muigai - Attoney G Central Gichiri Ndua - MD kpa Central Nduva Muli MD Kenya Railways Eastern.Now the debate on constitutional criteria can be applied and enriched with the required details
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Post by phil on Apr 30, 2012 12:54:21 GMT 3
Kamale,
At fist glance I see your list has omitted the Secretary to the Board who is KPA's Company Secretary. You have also left out the slot for State Corporations Inspector. It still does not make a better case for Kimunya and in fact you are just pre-empting what we know Kimunya will come up with this week.
My take is that Kimunya could still use the powers of his office as minister to fairly aportion the positions (starting with that of the MD) so as to meet all constitutional requirements. All he needs to do is to cast his net beyond the region(s) he is being accused of and he will sure land qualified Kenyans who could also serve in the KPA board.
So long as the board remains the way it is, it will be seen as being skewed to favour one region.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 30, 2012 13:34:56 GMT 3
Kamale, At fist glance I see your list has omitted the Secretary to the Board who is KPA's Company Secretary. You have also left out the slot for State Corporations Inspector. It still does not make a better case for Kimunya and in fact you are just pre-empting what we know Kimunya will come up with this week. My take is that Kimunya could still use the powers of his office as minister to fairly aportion the positions (starting with that of the MD) so as to meet all constitutional requirements. All he needs to do is to cast his net beyond the region(s) he is being accused of and he will sure land qualified Kenyans who could also serve in the KPA board. So long as the board remains the way it is, it will be seen as being skewed to favour one region. Phil The reason I quoted the KPA Act was so that it would answer the very same question you have asked me about the Inspector of State Corporations. He has not been provided for in the ACT and in any case it would be very wrong for to sit on a board of a corporation he is inspector of...agree? As you will note, i did not drag myself into the issue of the merits of the directors appointed by Kimunya. It really is none of my business!
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Post by chokoraa on Apr 30, 2012 13:47:15 GMT 3
Some of the things these Mt Kenya Mafia do give the MRC every little reason to be around and torment people. It's unfortunate but maybe these board meetings will not be held in Mombasa, they may need visa's to visit MSA and it may not be easily granted .....
Kenyans Lets be careful, let's be VERY careful.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 30, 2012 13:51:38 GMT 3
Some of the things these Mt Kenya Mafia do give the MRC every little reason to be around and torment people. It's unfortunate but maybe these board meetings will not be held in Mombasa, they may need visa's to visit MSA and it may not be easily granted ..... Kenyans Lets be careful, let's be VERY careful. why not call spade a spade and say "these kikuyus" rather than coat it as Mt. Kenya mafia? This is political correctness gone mad!
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Post by phil on Apr 30, 2012 14:54:27 GMT 3
Phil The reason I quoted the KPA Act was so that it would answer the very same question you have asked me about the Inspector of State Corporations. He has not been provided for in the ACT and in any case it would be very wrong for to sit on a board of a corporation he is inspector of...agree? As you will note, i did not drag myself into the issue of the merits of the directors appointed by Kimunya. It really is none of my business! I disagree Kamale. KPA Act may not expressly provide for a representative of Inspector of State Corporations to sit on the KPA Board, dont you agree that the minister may still allow this through subclause 4(f) above? And again, from my layman interpretation of the State Corporations Act, the minister is still compelled by that law to appoint or at least allow one slot for the Inspector of State Corporations at KPA and all state corporations under his line ministry. I would imagine that a state corporation of strategic value as KPA would certainly have a representive from the Inspectorate of State Corporations. In the meantime, Mzalendo Kibunja (NCIC) has reluctantly confirmed having received a complaint on the composition of the KPA board. Not that much is expected from Kibunja of all people, just that it is amazing how much effort it has taken for him to confirm receiving this complaint, given he was very fast to issue a statement following Jakoyo Midiwo's assasination claims against the prime minister.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 30, 2012 15:12:13 GMT 3
Phil The reason I quoted the KPA Act was so that it would answer the very same question you have asked me about the Inspector of State Corporations. He has not been provided for in the ACT and in any case it would be very wrong for to sit on a board of a corporation he is inspector of...agree? As you will note, i did not drag myself into the issue of the merits of the directors appointed by Kimunya. It really is none of my business! I disagree Kamale. KPA Act may not expressly provide for a representative of Inspector of State Corporations to sit on the KPA Board, dont you agree that the minister may still allow this through subclause 4(f) above? And again, from my layman interpretation of the State Corporations Act, the minister is still compelled by that law to appoint or at least allow one slot for the Inspector of State Corporations at KPA and all state corporations under his line ministry. I would imagine that a state corporation of strategic value as KPA would certainly have a representive from the Inspectorate of State Corporations. In the meantime, Mzalendo Kibunja (NCIC) has reluctantly confirmed having received a complaint on the composition of the KPA board. Not that much is expected from Kibunja of all people, just that it is amazing how much effort it has taken for him to confirm receiving this complaint, given he was very fast to issue a statement following Jakoyo Midiwo's assasination claims against the prime minister. Phil The minister can indeed appoint the Inspector of State Corporations to the board but then he cannot exceed the number provided for under the Act. He would have to replace one of those he appointed. As to the virtues of appoing the Inspector to State Corporations, perhaps you need to look at the duties of the inspectorate to determine if indeed the IG can sit on any state corporation board or become a member of the board. Whilst Section 18 (2)(c) allows the Inspector to attend meetings if in his opinion it is necessary to do so for the perfomance of his duties, this cannot be deemed to make him a board member as then he would be culpable for the any wrongs under Section19(3) where a board member sitting in a board meeting is deemed responsible for any resolutions of the board incurring expenditure. Hopefully this clarifies for you the law.
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Post by bob on Apr 30, 2012 15:15:57 GMT 3
Some of the things these Mt Kenya Mafia do give the MRC every little reason to be around and torment people. It's unfortunate but maybe these board meetings will not be held in Mombasa, they may need visa's to visit MSA and it may not be easily granted ..... Kenyans Lets be careful, let's be VERY careful. why not call spade a spade and say "these kikuyus" rather than coat it as Mt. Kenya mafia? This is political correctness gone mad! Hey not every Kikuyu is a beneficiary of this ethnic chauvinistic tendencies,so the term Mt. Kenya Mafia fits the bill perfectly. Wanjiku out there still continues to wait for Ahadi Kenya to help in driving the jigger menace away from the poor Kikuyu folk.
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Apr 30, 2012 15:35:13 GMT 3
I remember in 2003, i applied for a job in one of Kenya's security agencies. They had put it in an advert that you can send your application by post or deliver to their office in the City Center. So i chose the later. At the gate, the security guy told me i could leave the letter at the get and he will deliver. I refused. So he let me in and at the reception, i asked for someone at HR dept. A guy came and i handed him the letter and i requested that i sign a delivery book. So, when i wrote down my name and signature, the guy saw my kalenjin name and quipped "aha bwana, si siku zenu ziliisha"...this was despite the fact that i had just completed a degree in Security Studies, at UPENN, a degree that had been paid by the Ministry which had employed me a few years before... after the guy said what he did, i demanded my application back and matched back home. Thats not even enough...i have worked in same office with guys from the correct tribe and some of us have stagnated in promotions. overseas trainings are exclusively for Mt Kenya people and any promotions currently only face the mountain....So, for me, Uhuru and his ilk is NAY...never!
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Apr 30, 2012 15:39:46 GMT 3
bob...i agree with you...i do not want to use the term "Kikuyu" because the common Kikuyus are also victims of fellow Kikuyus. Some of the poorest people in the world are Kikuyus living in mathare, Korogocho, Kiamaiko....and even the jigger infested Nyeri. Kikuyu people have been victimes of Uhuru's father, Michuki, Kibaki, Njonjo, Koinanges, Kanyotus, Ndegwas...etc
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 30, 2012 16:16:46 GMT 3
......following the same trend....President Kibaki has appointed Eng Joseph Kamau Thuo to be the new chairman of the Transport Licensing Board (TLB). Thuo replaces Mr Hassan Ole Kamwaro whose term ended last December.......NEXT!
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 30, 2012 16:24:16 GMT 3
Looking at the Board Of Directors one can clearly how Kimunya in his attempt to make sure he continues running K.P.A. after his ministerial tenor has ended and non politicians (cabinet secretary) taking the helm of running the ministries, he is just eroding the support of Uhuru has left or could gather in the run to Presidential elections.
It is a fact that Kimunya after getting dropped from Finance Ministry decided to be corrupt to the core in very short period he has acquired a vast number of plots and apartments/flats in Embakasi-Pipeline/Tassia/Fedha that is fine as a time will come where he will answer for this but for putting his cronies(who happen to be Kikuyus )in Transport parastatals can be misinterpreted to mean that Uhuru has a hand in that which is not the case and as a result could cost Uhuru a lot of votes especially in regions like Coast and Nairobi.
Uhuru and the whole of G7 should reign on this person
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Post by kamalet on Apr 30, 2012 16:35:53 GMT 3
Looking at the Board Of Directors one can clearly how Kimunya in his attempt to make sure he continues running K.P.A. after his ministerial tenor has ended and non politicians (cabinet secretary) taking the helm of running the ministries, he is just eroding the support of Uhuru has left or could gather in the run to Presidential elections. It is a fact that Kimunya after getting dropped from Finance Ministry decided to be corrupt to the core in very short period he has acquired a vast number of plots and apartments/flats in Embakasi-Pipeline/Tassia/Fedha that is fine as a time will come where he will answer for this but for putting his cronies(who happen to be Kikuyus )in Transport parastatals can be misinterpreted to mean that Uhuru has a hand in that which is not the case and as a result could cost Uhuru a lot of votes especially in regions like Coast and Nairobi. Uhuru and the whole of G7 should reign on this person ...and is it not strange that Orengo has not noticed these transactions at his ministry and blow the whistle...? Or is he too busy stealing to notice? That is how your theft story sounds implausible!
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Post by joblesscorner on Apr 30, 2012 16:49:00 GMT 3
Question : Were all this state Official hired at the same time and Is this a contract position?
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Post by nalinali on Apr 30, 2012 17:05:17 GMT 3
On a related subject, I have always wondered why about 90% of all world Bank Scholarships are taken up by Kikuyu candidates Any explanations out there? It would be interesting just as well, to track down the pattern of candidtes usually shortlisted by PWC to determine if the ethnic malaise hasn't permeated what would otherwise stand as professional outfits.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 30, 2012 17:08:47 GMT 3
Looking at the Board Of Directors one can clearly how Kimunya in his attempt to make sure he continues running K.P.A. after his ministerial tenor has ended and non politicians (cabinet secretary) taking the helm of running the ministries, he is just eroding the support of Uhuru has left or could gather in the run to Presidential elections. It is a fact that Kimunya after getting dropped from Finance Ministry decided to be corrupt to the core in very short period he has acquired a vast number of plots and apartments/flats in Embakasi-Pipeline/Tassia/Fedha that is fine as a time will come where he will answer for this but for putting his cronies(who happen to be Kikuyus )in Transport parastatals can be misinterpreted to mean that Uhuru has a hand in that which is not the case and as a result could cost Uhuru a lot of votes especially in regions like Coast and Nairobi. Uhuru and the whole of G7 should reign on this person ...and is it not strange that Orengo has not noticed these transactions at his ministry and blow the whistle...? Or is he too busy stealing to notice? That is how your theft story sounds implausible! Kamale, One is a former Lands Minister (who actually refused to implement the Ndungu report) and the other is soon to be former Lands Minister(Interestingly also refused to implement the Ndungu report after assuring the public that it will be implemented)
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Post by bob on Apr 30, 2012 18:20:32 GMT 3
......following the same trend....President Kibaki has appointed Eng Joseph Kamau Thuo to be the new chairman of the Transport Licensing Board (TLB). Thuo replaces Mr Hassan Ole Kamwaro whose term ended last December.......NEXT! eeshhhhhhh! na kazi kama kawaida. More please! mta do! Yaani hata hakuna dorobo,giriama,kambe,horiah etc who was worth this kajob. God forbid.
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Apr 30, 2012 18:21:46 GMT 3
@nalinali....you should remember that World bank scholarships are usually targeted" at particular "development areas" like energy, economic development, education, transport etc....who runs those ministries? ? Kimunyas, Kiraitus, Nyoikes, Githaes.......as for the ministry of education, do some investigations and tell me who all the senior officers are....infact, the person in charge of scholarships at the Ministry of Educations is related to a former PS in the Ministry (who is now a PS in another ministry) and who is a brother to another PS in another ministry......bure sana.... Jobs in international organizations nothing but a racket. 90% of people recruited through the govt are kikuyus. Go to Embassies of Kenya all over the world.....almost 3/4 of workers in there are facing the mountain... Kenyans must open their eyes and revolt against these organized mafia criminals
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Apr 30, 2012 18:34:24 GMT 3
IN EXERCISE of the powers conferred by section 7 (1) (a) of the Kenya Roads Board Act, I, Mwai Kibaki, President and Commander- in - Chief of the Defence Forces of the Republic of Kenya, appoint โ
JOEL MUTHUNGA WANYOIKE (ENG.)
to be Chairman of the Kenya Roads Board, for a period of three (3) years.
Dated the 10th April, 2012.
MWAI KIBAKI, President.
..................................................................................................................................................... and another fossil appointed...
IN EXERCISE of the powers conferred by section 6 (1) (a) of the State Corporations Act, I, Mwai Kibaki, President and Commander - in - Chief of the Defence Forces of the Republic of Kenya, appoint โ
PETER NJERU NDWIGA
to be the Chairman of the Export Promotion Council, for a period of three (3) years, with effect from 13th March, 2012.
Dated the 10th April, 2012.
MWAI KIBAKI, President. .....................................................................................................................................................
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Apr 30, 2012 18:57:45 GMT 3
and where was this Ndegwa Muhoro guy fished from?
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Apr 30, 2012 21:22:14 GMT 3
Jobs in international organizations nothing but a racket. 90% of people recruited through the govt are kikuyus. Go to Embassies of Kenya all over the world.....almost 3/4 of workers in there are facing the mountain..
Put some evidence on the table for this claim.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Apr 30, 2012 21:28:15 GMT 3
What nonsense coming from you Daniel Waweru and marikopolitico. Please rise above the politics of the day when you see such gross injustices.
(1) Play the ODMer bullsh!t elsewhere. What we have are reasonable grounds for complaint that these appointments are not in conformity with the law requiring representativity. Until that complaint has been backed by decisive evidence, we're not in a position to assert that there has been an injustice.
(2) ODMers have already begun to use the complaint as grounds for ethnic baiting: you might be interested to read some of the comments on this very thread. The baiting is tiresome; ODMers have a history of doing it; ODMers also have a history of mass violence motivated by it. It will therefore get the pushback it has earned.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Apr 30, 2012 21:30:31 GMT 3
I fully agree that there's ethnic baiting going on (this, you ought to have realised by now, is standard ODMer nonsense). But it does not follow that merit is the only relevant consideration. As the video points out, there's a case that the appointments to the board fail to obey the provisions in the constitution that require broad representation. Even if all the appointees are fully qualified for their positions, the question whether their appointments are compatible with equal opportunity remains. Shorter me: ODMer bullsh!t doesn't invalidate the constitution.The problem here is that the constitution itself is badly flawed in that particular aspect. Kenya isn't the only country with an ethnic diversity in East Africa. Tanzania has over 100 tribes yet issues like these don't arise.
(1) I don\t think the constitution is flawed in that respect. Full representation of ethnic group is a reasonable goal in itself; given Kenya's history it's one that we have extra reason to find compelling.
(2) We're not Tanzania: they have a different history, and one that has left them in a better position regarding ethnic relations.
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Post by tnk on Apr 30, 2012 21:48:59 GMT 3
What nonsense coming from you Daniel Waweru and marikopolitico. Please rise above the politics of the day when you see such gross injustices.
(1) Play the ODMer bullsh!t elsewhere. What we have are reasonable grounds for complaint that these appointments are not in conformity with the law requiring representativity. Until that complaint has been backed by decisive evidence, we're not in a position to assert that there has been an injustice.
(2) ODMers have already begun to use the complaint as grounds for ethnic baiting: you might be interested to read some of the comments on this very thread. The baiting is tiresome; ODMers have a history of doing it; ODMers also have a history of mass violence motivated by it. It will therefore get the pushback it has earned.
?? whats up with the re-emergence of uncouth language and insinuation
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Post by phil on Apr 30, 2012 21:53:14 GMT 3
What nonsense coming from you Daniel Waweru and marikopolitico. Please rise above the politics of the day when you see such gross injustices.
(1) Play the ODMer bullsh!t elsewhere. What we have are reasonable grounds for complaint that these appointments are not in conformity with the law requiring representativity. Until that complaint has been backed by decisive evidence, we're not in a position to assert that there has been an injustice.
(2) ODMers have already begun to use the complaint as grounds for ethnic baiting: you might be interested to read some of the comments on this very thread. The baiting is tiresome; ODMers have a history of doing it; ODMers also have a history of mass violence motivated by it. It will therefore get the pushback it has earned.
What you are saying here is hogwash. Spare the Jukwaa forum your holier than though attitude. This country belongs to all of us, not just a few of us. Ali Hassan Joho, assistant minister for Transport in Kimunya's docket is an ODM MP (recently appointed to that position by the PM) and has been quoted variously defending the skewed and illegal KPA appointments. Is that your evidence of ODM ethnic baiting? ODM have a history of mass action. Muslim leaders, the same ones who cut links with ODM last month when Balala was sacked, are also condemning the KPA board appointments, how does that amount to ODM ethnic baiting. What about the dock workers union officials, are they also a branch of ODM? Clearly misguided thinking and misplaced superiority complex. I think you have nothing to go on this thread. Actually, you are the one who is desperately trying to plant anti-ODM hate while pointing fingers at others for doing the same. That is bullshi!t I wont buy.
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