|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 17:55:07 GMT 3
For those who were not able to follow Ho. Musalia Mudavadi's function at the KICC, below is his full speech on the day he severed links with the ODM. A very presidential speech.
````````
FELLOW KENYANS, I want to thank you all for the goodwill you have offered to me over the recent past when all attention was on our political situation and scrutiny was reserved for the course it might take. A week ago, I announced that I will be in a new political home to realize my presidential ambitions come today. As I actualize that resolve, I wish to briefly look back to my friends and colleagues in ODM. I sincerely thank you for the journey we took together over the past seven years.
I want to particularly thank the many ODM branch officials across the 42 Counties, some of whom are here, for the enthusiasm and unforgettable warmth when I visited. We sat with you for hours and you all helped me understand the immensity of the challenges facing our nation; and the unique opportunities we have to help save our country from the politics of polarization and intrigue. I walk with encouragement as I take the next step in my service to our great nation.
Fellow Kenyans, Some few months ago, I had indicated that I have crossed the Rubicon in my belief that we needed to advance a new course of democratic principles and practices in Kenya. I have said and repeat that internal democracy in political parties is as important as the practice of democratic governance is in government. You know what to expect of your government if your party of choice is ready and willing to practice internal democracy.
As a country, we have been stuck in the turbulence of polarization at every electoral circle. In my tour of our counties, Kenyans were fearful of what might become another frightful experience of the 2007 elections.
I promised these Kenyans a democratic train with 47 bogies that will unite Kenyans; bring peace and unity, ensure tolerance and reconciliation; be inclusive against tribalism and the politics that have resulted in cyclic ethnic polarization of our country. We all agreed Kenya belongs to all of us. In the 42 counties I have been to, Kenyans urged me to be different; to reach out to all Kenyans. They desire unity of purpose; they detest politics of isolation. I, Musalia, will therefore work with everyone, and every Kenyan of goodwill to bring stability of livelihoods and security of persons and property.
In my consultations, I have reflected a lot and have deliberately avoided considering a party with regional or ethnic brand recognition. I have sought to identify with a party and leaders whose pursuits are consistent with my aspirations for a country governed by the rule of law; committed to uniting all Kenyans; and who are sensitive to the need to end marginalization and exclusion.
My trail led me to a party and a team; patriotic enough to capture the national imagination; ambitious enough to reignite the appetites of real change crusaders; youthful and radiant enough to detain the gaze of our younger generations; and fresh enough to allow for a bust of new energy in our body politic. I have walked the last mile to this democratic train.
I, Musalia Mudavadi, wish to announce that I will be offering myself as a candidate for the office of president of the republic of Kenya on the ticket of The United Democratic Forum Party (UDF) at the next elections.
I therefore urge Kenyans to board the United Democratic Forum Party train with me.
UDF espouse the principles of internal democracy and devolution that I stand for. The UDF philosophy is grounded in its motto; Unity for Prosperity which signals a new dawn for Kenya. The new dawn under a UDF anchor signals a change in the way we have managed our public affairs. UDF is and will remain a national party and institution. UDF is not a party of particular individuals, community, ethnic group or class of people. UDF will not be a weapon of terror.
The UDF symbol is a clasped hand in supplication. It is the universal and eternal symbolic hand of peace, solidarity and unity. We are and remain non-vindictive, hate no one but love and welcome everyone. We stretch the hand of peace to all Kenyans. Sisi tutajenga kuta ambazo zime bomoka We will focus on issues.
We will tell you how by restructuring agriculture, eggs produced in Kenya should not be more expensive than imported eggs from Israel, and therefore how we will create a minimum of1.5 million jobs for our young people within my term in office.. In education, we will not complain about the high dropout rate at secondary level. We will tell how to stop the haemorrhage of young talents, ensuring that all pupils acquire secondary education and technical skills through equipping 1,000 youth polytechnics.
We will of course show you how we will assist small and medium enterprises, the jua kali, to create millions of jobs. We will not be in the business of appropriating for ourselves the Constitution. UDF is committed to implementing the spirit and letter of the Constitution as desired and mandated by Kenyans. We stand for accountable and transparent systems and institutions in Kenya.
These are only examples of the components of our policy outlines that will cover the economy, infrastructure development, health, security, ICT, energy, regional and international engagements, among others.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Even as I applied myself to the challenges of making a new home, I have deeply reflected on the positions I hold in the party and in government on behalf of Kenyans. I have resolved this way; That I have resigned as the ODM Deputy Party Leader. When we created the coalition government four positions were written into the National Accord whose holders could only be removed by resignation, ill-health, Parliament, a court of law or the collapse of the coalition government. These positions include the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. Ministerial responsibilities are national in nature and are an exclusive preserve of the appointing authority.
Having consulted with the appointing authority, I have tendered my resignation as Minister for Local Government. I will, however, continue to serve as Deputy Prime Minister and Member of Parliament for Sabatia Constituency.
Over the coming days, I will be embarking upon a journey to your homes and your souls. I will bring to you my vision of this great country and offer the comprehensive programmes on the basis of which I wish to be gifted with the privilege of serving as your president. The first step on this road will be a National Rally we will hold at Afraha Stadium, Nakuru this Sunday, 6th May 2012.
May I thank all Kenyans for their support. Thank you for your generous attention. God bless Kenya and its proud, hardworking citizens.
|
|
|
Post by akinyi2005 on May 3, 2012 18:01:11 GMT 3
suppose musalia uhuru and ruto are all on the ballot, who would you vote for?
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 18:19:44 GMT 3
suppose musalia uhuru and ruto are all on the ballot, who would you vote for? Akinyi, Kura ni siri. But, I think Tuju beats them all, although his people have refused to embrace him.
|
|
|
Post by phil on May 3, 2012 18:19:59 GMT 3
Piece of trash expected to come from someone purporting to run for president.
DPM positions are coalition positions. PNU have a right to retain whomsoever they wish and ODM has an equal right to nominate whoever they wish.
Pledging loyalty to a different political party while retaining seats won on the strength of another is fraud. Utter stupidity.
This action depicts Mudavadi as someone who is acting puppet for other forces. No further confirmation needed to show that Mudavadi is following the footsteps of others. It also brings him out as a dishonest, undemocratic, naive and immoral leader.
Poleni sana wakenya kama hawa nd'o viongozi wenyu watarajiwa.
|
|
|
Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 18:34:26 GMT 3
Piece of trash expected to come from someone purporting to run for president. DPM positions are coalition positions. PNU have a right to retain whomsoever they wish and ODM has an equal right to nominate whoever they wish. Pledging loyalty to a different political party while retaining seats won on the strength of another is fraud. Utter stupidity. This action depicts Mudavadi as someone who is acting puppet for other forces. No further confirmation needed to show that Mudavadi is following the footsteps of others. It also brings him out as a dishonest, undemocratic, naive and immoral leader. Poleni sana wakenya kama hawa nd'o viongozi wenyu watarajiwa.Phil You are right that the DPM position held by MM is an ODM seat. However in the process of the bad negotiations that ODM got itself into (remember nusu mkate?), no provision was made for a possible fall out between a principal and the deputy PM they each appointed. Instead they took the "gentlemanly route" hoping that such a fall out would not happen. So the route they opted for was either a resignation (and Kenyan leaders are not that mad!) or a no confidence vote which sadly ODM cannot raise in the house to actualise their desire to get the seat back. The alternative of asking MM to be booted out by the Speaker as I have repeated elsewhere is suicidal and which ODM should not even consider due its ramifications! So you can argue morality all day, but that happens not to be something that our politicians know anything about!
|
|
|
Post by phil on May 3, 2012 19:10:48 GMT 3
kamaletThe issue here is not how good you are at out manouvering ODM on the basis of a defective law. It's a bit short sighted and ironic to keep repeating how incompetent ODM NARA negotiators were when the same ODM team was chaired by none other than Mudavad! The issue I am on about is that Musalia Mudavadi is aiming for the highest office in the land and must thus show he is made of the highest integrity standards possible. My point is that right from the start, Mudavadi strikes us as a fake. In this day and age, would Kenyans prefer a president who throws moral values out of the window, disregards gentleman agreements and trashes the rule of law? Is this not what we are trying to run away from? If Mudavadi is thinking and reasoning in similar vein as you are, then you can immediately see how much deep in sh!t the country is headed if Mudavadi happens to be elected PORK. God forbid! Its frightening to imagine another fraud like Kibaki taking over this country for another 5 years, in a new constitutional dispensation that is yet to be fully implemented.
|
|
|
Post by akinyi2005 on May 3, 2012 19:47:19 GMT 3
suppose musalia uhuru and ruto are all on the ballot, who would you vote for? Akinyi, Kura ni siri. But, I think Tuju beats them all, although his people have refused to embrace him. so why y'all cheering the man if you won't vote for him? and talking of Tuju, what happened after the much-publicized launch?
|
|
bob
Full Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bob on May 3, 2012 19:52:48 GMT 3
MM is self destructing himself. He has just but given ODM a weapon to whack him thoroughly on his integrity as a leader. If he is brave & confident of being elected pork of this country he should have done what RAO did. But the guy has no balls & knows he risks being irrelevant so he is holding on to anything to get noticed. You cannot take a shower then wear dirty clothes & pretend you are clean man. To embarrass himself & his new found party further he claims that you cannot do the same thing over & other again & expect different results yet he is doing exactly the same the same thing. Kwani huyu mtu anaona wakenya ni wajinga sana? ! Like Baba Jim would say ''M.... YA KUKU, BURE KABISA!
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 19:56:26 GMT 3
Akinyi, Kura ni siri. But, I think Tuju beats them all, although his people have refused to embrace him. so why y'all cheering the man if you won't vote for him? and talking of Tuju, what happened after the much-publicized launch? Akinyi, I realize that we are on Jukwaa for very different reasons; whereas you are here to cheer your candidate of choice, I am here to cheer the right ideas. Maybe that explains our occasional run-ins. Look at this speech for instance, this man has laid out his case very well. There is everything in it for me to cheer, from the tribulations in his old party, to what he has for the country if elected. I followed his problems in ODM and agreed with him that it was time for him to leave. But you see nothing in it because it was delivered by Mudavadi, presumably because he is not your candidate of choice.
|
|
|
Post by job on May 3, 2012 20:01:32 GMT 3
kamaletThe issue here is not how good you are at out manouvering ODM on the basis of a defective law. It's a bit short sighted and ironic to keep repeating how incompetent ODM NARA negotiators were when the same ODM team was chaired by none other than Mudavad! The issue I am on about is that Musalia Mudavadi is aiming for the highest office in the land and must thus show he is made of the highest integrity standards possible. My point is that right from the start, Mudavadi strikes us as a fake. In this day and age, would Kenyans prefer a president who throws moral values out of the window, disregards gentleman agreements and trashes the rule of law? Is this not what we are trying to run away from? If Mudavadi is thinking and reasoning in similar vein as you are, then you can immediately see how much deep in sh!t the country is headed if Mudavadi happens to be elected PORK. God forbid! Its frightening to imagine another fraud like Kibaki taking over this country for another 5 years, in a new constitutional dispensation that is yet to be fully implemented. Phil,Musalia made sure he left with a direct poke into ODM's eye. He blatantly belted out the phrase... "After consulting with the appointing authority, I have decided to quit as Minister of Local Government...but will stay on as Deputy Prime Minister and Member of Parliament for Sabatia"... Was that jibe really necessary? A careful reflection tells you these were not Musalia's original words. I first heard of these words televised from a court chamber in the Hague from one Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta who uttered... " Courtesy to Kenya's appointing authority and duly elected President of the Republic of Kenya, I am the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance in Kenya, and courtesy to the people of Gatundu, I am the Member of Parliament for Gatundu constituency" This culture of fraudulent deceit, back-stabbing, and belligerent hanging onto State power - started by Mwai Kibaki - has indeed taken new heights. We have become a totally fraudulent nation...stuck to bad old ways, greedy short-cuts, and perpetual subversion of the law. This is really bad manners - setting a terrible example to our youngsters...that betrayal and back-stabbing for greed is the order of the day. When Musalia says: We will not be in the business of appropriating for ourselves the Constitution. Isn't this exactly what he is doing? The Constitution which incorporates NARA states clearly that either of the DPM positions go to ODM and PNU. After publicly quiting ODM, what business does he still have hanging onto ODM's DPM slot? Isn't that a case of Musalia appropriating the Constitution for his own selfish end? Does he have to wait for the courts or Parliament before he budges? Besides, the PPA is clear that once you resign from the party that sponsored you to Parliament, you ought to go for a by-election under your new party. It is such party-hopping business that the new law was meant to curb - as a way to strengthen democracy. That you can actually stand in front of the nation "thanking" ODM county delegates whom you've just recently bribed (from the godfather's bounty) reeks a cheap lie.
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 20:06:49 GMT 3
MM is self destructing himself. He has just but given ODM a weapon to whack him thoroughly on his integrity as a leader. If he is brave & confident of being elected pork of this country he should have done what RAO did. But the guy has no balls & knows he risks being irrelevant so he is holding on to anything to get noticed. You cannot take a shower then wear dirty clothes & pretend you are clean man. To embarrass himself & his new found party further he claims that you cannot do the same thing over & other again & expect different results yet he is doing exactly the same the same thing. Kwani huyu mtu anaona wakenya ni wajinga sana? ! Like Baba Jim would say ''M.... YA KUKU, BURE KABISA! I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. What about KANU? RAO joined KANU and killed NDP but remained an MP without seeking a new mandate on his adopted party. So this idea of seeking re-election is very old my friend, it is as old as 1995 itself. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical.
|
|
bob
Full Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bob on May 3, 2012 20:18:44 GMT 3
MM is self destructing himself. He has just but given ODM a weapon to whack him thoroughly on his integrity as a leader. If he is brave & confident of being elected pork of this country he should have done what RAO did. But the guy has no balls & knows he risks being irrelevant so he is holding on to anything to get noticed. You cannot take a shower then wear dirty clothes & pretend you are clean man. To embarrass himself & his new found party further he claims that you cannot do the same thing over & other again & expect different results yet he is doing exactly the same the same thing. Kwani huyu mtu anaona wakenya ni wajinga sana? ! Like Baba Jim would say ''M.... YA KUKU, BURE KABISA! I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical. If my memory serves me well RAO did resign his langata seat when he differed with the late Kijana Wamalwa in Ford-Kenya & sort re-election under NDP.
|
|
|
Post by job on May 3, 2012 20:23:26 GMT 3
MM is self destructing himself. He has just but given ODM a weapon to whack him thoroughly on his integrity as a leader. If he is brave & confident of being elected pork of this country he should have done what RAO did. But the guy has no balls & knows he risks being irrelevant so he is holding on to anything to get noticed. You cannot take a shower then wear dirty clothes & pretend you are clean man. To embarrass himself & his new found party further he claims that you cannot do the same thing over & other again & expect different results yet he is doing exactly the same the same thing. Kwani huyu mtu anaona wakenya ni wajinga sana? ! Like Baba Jim would say ''M.... YA KUKU, BURE KABISA! I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical. You can't re-write history. Raila was in a party called LDP, which was a partner in the coalition called NARC. A party and a coalition are two different entities. You need to delineate ODM's history appropriately. The post referendum ODM which included Uhuru Kenyatta, kalonzo Musyoka et al, is neither synonymous with ODM or ODM-K party. Therefore check the dates when the respective parties ODM and ODM-K were registered. Lastly, Musalia has voluntarily quit ODM..why should the party convene a meeting to "kick out" someone who has voluntarily left?
|
|
|
Post by akinyi2005 on May 3, 2012 20:29:25 GMT 3
so why y'all cheering the man if you won't vote for him? and talking of Tuju, what happened after the much-publicized launch? Akinyi, I realize that we are on Jukwaa for very different reasons; whereas you are here to cheer your candidate of choice, I am here to cheer the right ideas. Maybe that explains our occasional run-ins. Look at this speech for instance, this man has laid out his case very well. There is everything in it for me to cheer, from the tribulations in his old party, to what he has for the country if elected. I followed his problems in ODM and agreed with him that it was time for him to leave. But you see nothing in it because it was delivered by Mudavadi, presumably because he is not your candidate of choice. you are an avowed tuju and whenever convenient, uhuruto supporter. so these guys espouse.......(what?)
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 20:31:51 GMT 3
I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical. You can't re-write history. Raila was in a party called LDP, which was a partner in the coalition called NARC. A party and a coalition are two different entities. You need to delineate ODM's history appropriately. The post referendum ODM which included Uhuru Kenyatta, kalonzo Musyoka et al, is neither synonymous with ODM or ODM-K party. Therefore check the dates when the respective parties ODM and ODM-K were registered. Lastly, Musalia has voluntarily quit ODM..why should the party convene a meeting to "kick out" someone who has voluntarily left? Job, We can round around in circles all we want, but the truth never changes. It does not really matter, which between ODM and ODM-K came first. The fact, is the man participated in formation and associated and did business with a party other than the one that brought him to parliament and never quit either as MP or minister. Between, what evidence do you have that MM has left ODM? As far as I am concerned, the man has not written that he has, neither has the party send him parking.
|
|
|
Post by adongo23456 on May 3, 2012 20:36:59 GMT 3
MM is self destructing himself. He has just but given ODM a weapon to whack him thoroughly on his integrity as a leader. If he is brave & confident of being elected pork of this country he should have done what RAO did. But the guy has no balls & knows he risks being irrelevant so he is holding on to anything to get noticed. You cannot take a shower then wear dirty clothes & pretend you are clean man. To embarrass himself & his new found party further he claims that you cannot do the same thing over & other again & expect different results yet he is doing exactly the same the same thing. Kwani huyu mtu anaona wakenya ni wajinga sana? ! Like Baba Jim would say ''M.... YA KUKU, BURE KABISA! I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical. Oh so you were in Narc with Raila. Really? If indeed you were you would know that Narc was a coalition between two parties NAK and LDP. Cooking things up needs a little intelligence to work my friend. Both parties retained their identities as distinct parties but agreed to run as a coalition team on Narc ticket. Kibaki got in office and turned themselves into the worst Kikuyu chauvinist entity since Kenyatta used to address cabinet meetings in his mother tongue. They started fighting against the very promises Narc gave Kenyans and got elected to achieve. Raila and a whole bunch of patriots remained true to Narc and what it stood for and campaigned for including championing a new constitution. It is therefore a fallacy to claim Raila quit Narc. He never did? Why would he quit Narc? Get your facts straight my friend. In Mudavadi's case he has quit ODM, the party that sponsored him and he has done so publicly. If he had any principles which he pretends to have he should have quit all positions including the DPM and quit his seat to go contest. It is ironical that a guy who wants to tell us he can win the presidency of Kenya is scared to contest his own seat in his constituency. What exactly is he afraid of? Well we saw what happened in Ikolomani where Mudavadi was whacked by Khalwale. So may be Mudavadi has reasons to be scared. He was beaten there before where when Moi scared him to death and took him back to his pocket and gave him the V.P slot as the designated dude for them. His constituents didn't care and they threw him out. It must also be worrisome to Mudavadi that yesterday the Luhya leadership gave his annointment a wide pass. Even Khalwale was a no show. For a guy who was supposed to frog match not just the Luhyas but the entire Luhya known leaders to the spitoon of Uhuru crew where they chew and spit waste matter, that must have been alarming. But I would advise you to do some homework on Narc before you embarrass yourself like this again. After all you are supposed to have been there with Raila. ama?
|
|
|
Post by job on May 3, 2012 20:40:22 GMT 3
You can't re-write history. Raila was in a party called LDP, which was a partner in the coalition called NARC. A party and a coalition are two different entities. You need to delineate ODM's history appropriately. The post referendum ODM which included Uhuru Kenyatta, kalonzo Musyoka et al, is neither synonymous with ODM or ODM-K party. Therefore check the dates when the respective parties ODM and ODM-K were registered. Lastly, Musalia has voluntarily quit ODM..why should the party convene a meeting to "kick out" someone who has voluntarily left? Job, We can round around in circles all we want, but the truth never changes. It does not really matter, which between ODM and ODM-K came first. The fact, is the man participated in formation and associated and did business with a party other than the one that brought him to parliament and never quit either as MP or minister. Between, what evidence do you have that MM has left ODM? As far as I am concerned, the man has not written that he has, neither has the party send him parking.You must be joking? The difference between the period betwen 2005-07 and now is as clear as day and night. Today, we have a new Constitution and a brand new law (governing conduct of parties) called the Political Parties Act. This law was specifically written to end the culture of party hopping, briefcase parties, and party poaching - which was the greatest threat to our democracy. It never existed back then - in ODM's nascent stages. Maybe you're unaware or just pretending to ignore that crucial detail. But as you can see, Musalia and the impunity merchants remote-controlling him, have no regard for these new laws. They will urge Musalia on, and cheer him on as he subverts this new order. After all in their books, the end justifies the means. I'm sure you are also joking when you blatantly state that Musalia has not written that he is quiting ODM....when you've just posted his QUITING speech above here. It is on print, audio and TV. He has formally and publicly announced his quiting of ODM, and consequentially tendered his resignation as Minister of Local Government. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or what's your underlying objective?
|
|
|
Post by phil on May 3, 2012 20:49:19 GMT 3
He has formally and publicly announced his quiting of ODM, and consequentially tendered his resignation as Minister of Local Government. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or what's your underlying objective? Underlying objective? Obviously waste of time and waste of bandwidth. PAA is very clear....
(5) A person who, while being a member of a political party—
(a) forms another political party;
(b) joins in the formation of another political party;
(c) joins another political party;
(d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or
(e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party;
shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party.
|
|
|
Post by tnk on May 3, 2012 21:02:13 GMT 3
Job, We can round around in circles all we want, but the truth never changes. It does not really matter, which between ODM and ODM-K came first. The fact, is the man participated in formation and associated and did business with a party other than the one that brought him to parliament and never quit either as MP or minister. Between, what evidence do you have that MM has left ODM? As far as I am concerned, the man has not written that he has, neither has the party send him parking. You must be joking? The difference between the period betwen 2005-07 and now is as clear as day and night. Today, we have a new Constitution and a brand new law (governing conduct of parties) called the Political Parties Act. This law was specifically written to end the culture of party hopping, briefcase parties, and party poaching - which was the greatest threat to our democracy. It never existed back then - in ODM's nascent stages. Maybe you're unaware or just pretending to ignore that crucial detail. But as you can see, Musalia and the impunity merchants remote-controlling him, have no regard for these new laws. They will urge Musalia on, and cheer him on as he subverts this new order. After all in their books, the end justifies the means. I'm sure you are also joking when you blatantly state that Musalia has not written that he is quiting ODM....when you've just posted his QUITING speech above here. It is on print, audio and TV. He has formally and publicly announced his quiting of ODM, and consequentially tendered his resignation as Minister of Local Government. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or what's your underlying objective? could it be that mwalimu was misquoted, as he quoted the quit speech that he loudly proclaims to akinyi that it resonates with him ;D ;D ;D
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 21:26:45 GMT 3
Job, We can round around in circles all we want, but the truth never changes. It does not really matter, which between ODM and ODM-K came first. The fact, is the man participated in formation and associated and did business with a party other than the one that brought him to parliament and never quit either as MP or minister. Between, what evidence do you have that MM has left ODM? As far as I am concerned, the man has not written that he has, neither has the party send him parking. You must be joking? The difference between the period betwen 2005-07 and now is as clear as day and night. Today, we have a new Constitution and a brand new law (governing conduct of parties) called the Political Parties Act. This law was specifically written to end the culture of party hopping, briefcase parties, and party poaching - which was the greatest threat to our democracy. It never existed back then - in ODM's nascent stages. Maybe you're unaware or just pretending to ignore that crucial detail. But as you can see, Musalia and the impunity merchants remote-controlling him, have no regard for these new laws. They will urge Musalia on, and cheer him on as he subverts this new order. After all in their books, the end justifies the means. I'm sure you are also joking when you blatantly state that Musalia has not written that he is quiting ODM....when you've just posted his QUITING speech above here. It is on print, audio and TV. He has formally and publicly announced his quiting of ODM, and consequentially tendered his resignation as Minister of Local Government. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or what's your underlying objective? Job, My friend, I am sure you know how to read. The paragraph below appears in the first post as bold and underlined. Re-read it very carefully and show me where Mudavadi says he has quit ODM Even as I applied myself to the challenges of making a new home, I have deeply reflected on the positions I hold in the party and in government on behalf of Kenyans. I have resolved this way; That I have resigned as the ODM Deputy Party Leader. When we created the coalition government four positions were written into the National Accord whose holders could only be removed by resignation, ill-health, Parliament, a court of law or the collapse of the coalition government. These positions include the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. Ministerial responsibilities are national in nature and are an exclusive preserve of the appointing authority
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 21:31:41 GMT 3
I was with RAO in NARC, I know all the problems he caused in the party, he never quit, he never went back to Kibera for re-election. He formed the ODM while still sitting and serving as Langata MP and minister in Kibaki government, till the end of term. Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. If ODM believes that MM cannot win his seat in Sabatia, they should be bold enough and follow the law. Convene a party meeting and kick MM out of the party. Communicate the same to the registrar of political parties with minutes of such resolutions. Very easy, they will have the Sabatia seat for the taking and the DPM position for Namwamba or whomever they deem fit. Otherwise whinning the whole time as if they have no options is being disingenuous and very hypocritical. Oh so you were in Narc with Raila. Really? If indeed you were you would know that Narc was a coalition between two parties NAK and LDP. Cooking things up needs a little intelligence to work my friend. Both parties retained their identities as distinct parties but agreed to run as a coalition team on Narc ticket. Kibaki got in office and turned themselves into the worst Kikuyu chauvinist entity since Kenyatta used to address cabinet meetings in his mother tongue. They started fighting against the very promises Narc gave Kenyans and got elected to achieve. Raila and a whole bunch of patriots remained true to Narc and what it stood for and campaigned for including championing a new constitution. It is therefore a fallacy to claim Raila quit Narc. He never did? Why would he quit Narc? Get your facts straight my friend. In Mudavadi's case he has quit ODM, the party that sponsored him and he has done so publicly. If he had any principles which he pretends to have he should have quit all positions including the DPM and quit his seat to go contest. It is ironical that a guy who wants to tell us he can win the presidency of Kenya is scared to contest his own seat in his constituency. What exactly is he afraid of? Well we saw what happened in Ikolomani where Mudavadi was whacked by Khalwale. So may be Mudavadi has reasons to be scared. He was beaten there before where when Moi scared him to death and took him back to his pocket and gave him the V.P slot as the designated dude for them. His constituents didn't care and they threw him out. It must also be worrisome to Mudavadi that yesterday the Luhya leadership gave his annointment a wide pass. Even Khalwale was a no show. For a guy who was supposed to frog match not just the Luhyas but the entire Luhya known leaders to the spitoon of Uhuru crew where they chew and spit waste matter, that must have been alarming. But I would advise you to do some homework on Narc before you embarrass yourself like this again. After all you are supposed to have been there with Raila. ama? Adongo,As far as I am aware, yes NARC was a coalition of two parties, but when it came to elections, there were no LDP or NAK MPs. All were sponsored and elected under NARC. Even if, for argument's sake there were LDP members, the same members migrated and formed the ODMs. Did they resign? What about 1997-2002? Raila killed NDP and effectively became a KANU member, did he resign? In fact, this was the beginning of political conman-ship that we are experiencing now, it is only that now, the shoe is on the other foot Like I said, the issue of seeking re-election is as old as 1995 itself and anyone using it to score cheap political mileage is the biggest hypocrite.
|
|
|
Post by kamalet on May 3, 2012 21:37:35 GMT 3
MMkuu
Unfortunately these ODMers are lovers of the twist and not of the dance kind.
Anyone who reads Mudavadi's speech should find nothing that indicates he had left ODM.
First he was very clear that he will be offering himself for PORK on a UDF ticket - with clearly the elections not announced, there is no instance of him indicating that he had officially left the party.
He only resigned as ODM Party Leader but never said that he had resigned from the ODM party. Essentially he holds no office in UDF and only associates himself with it...pretty much like Ruto and many other political prostitutes around the country.
ODM are stuck with Mudavadi till the elections or when he does them a favour and resigns as DPM.
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 21:37:57 GMT 3
He has formally and publicly announced his quiting of ODM, and consequentially tendered his resignation as Minister of Local Government. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or what's your underlying objective? Underlying objective? Obviously waste of time and waste of bandwidth. PAA is very clear....
(5) A person who, while being a member of a political party—
(a) forms another political party;
(b) joins in the formation of another political party;
(c) joins another political party;
(d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or
(e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party;
shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party.
Phil, Mudavadi has done non of these things you list here, and you know it. Otherwise why do you think, ODM would still find it prudent to list Ruto and his mob as ODM members as late as April 2012 despite all that has been going on?
|
|
|
Post by mwalimumkuu on May 3, 2012 21:41:13 GMT 3
MMkuu Unfortunately these ODMers are lovers of the twist and not of the dance kind. Anyone who reads Mudavadi's speech should find nothing that indicates he had left ODM. First he was very clear that he will be offering himself for PORK on a UDF ticket - with clearly the elections not announced, there is no instance of him indicating that he had officially left the party. He only resigned as ODM Party Leader but never said that he had resigned from the ODM party. Essentially he holds no office in UDF and only associates himself with it...pretty much like Ruto and many other political prostitutes around the country. ODM are stuck with Mudavadi till the elections or when he does them a favour and resigns as DPM. Absolutely Kamale. They got into situations that they did not think through clearly and now want to cling on anything that may seem to favor them. Unfortunately, there is none at the moment safe for the party biting the bullet and sending MM parking if they so desperately want the DPM position.
|
|
|
Post by job on May 3, 2012 21:50:22 GMT 3
Oh so you were in Narc with Raila. Really? If indeed you were you would know that Narc was a coalition between two parties NAK and LDP. Cooking things up needs a little intelligence to work my friend. Both parties retained their identities as distinct parties but agreed to run as a coalition team on Narc ticket. Kibaki got in office and turned themselves into the worst Kikuyu chauvinist entity since Kenyatta used to address cabinet meetings in his mother tongue. They started fighting against the very promises Narc gave Kenyans and got elected to achieve. Raila and a whole bunch of patriots remained true to Narc and what it stood for and campaigned for including championing a new constitution. It is therefore a fallacy to claim Raila quit Narc. He never did? Why would he quit Narc? Get your facts straight my friend. In Mudavadi's case he has quit ODM, the party that sponsored him and he has done so publicly. If he had any principles which he pretends to have he should have quit all positions including the DPM and quit his seat to go contest. It is ironical that a guy who wants to tell us he can win the presidency of Kenya is scared to contest his own seat in his constituency. What exactly is he afraid of? Well we saw what happened in Ikolomani where Mudavadi was whacked by Khalwale. So may be Mudavadi has reasons to be scared. He was beaten there before where when Moi scared him to death and took him back to his pocket and gave him the V.P slot as the designated dude for them. His constituents didn't care and they threw him out. It must also be worrisome to Mudavadi that yesterday the Luhya leadership gave his annointment a wide pass. Even Khalwale was a no show. For a guy who was supposed to frog match not just the Luhyas but the entire Luhya known leaders to the spitoon of Uhuru crew where they chew and spit waste matter, that must have been alarming. But I would advise you to do some homework on Narc before you embarrass yourself like this again. After all you are supposed to have been there with Raila. ama? Adongo,As far as I am aware, yes NARC was a coalition of two parties, but when it came to elections, there were no LDP or NAK MPs. All were sponsored and elected under NARC. Even if, for argument's sake there were LDP members, the same members migrated and formed the ODMs. Did they resign? What about 1997-2002? Raila killed NDP and effectively became a KANU member, did he resign? In fact, this was the beginning of political conman-ship that we are experiencing now, it is only that now, the shoe is on the other foot Like I said, the issue of seeking re-election is as old as 1995 itself and anyone using it to score cheap political mileage is the biggest hypocrite. Do yourself one favour by re-reading what you just wrote above. When NDP joined KANU in 1997, or during LDP & ODM's formation; was the new Constitution & Political Parties Act in effect? If you can answer that simple question you won't be attempting to compare apples and oranges?
|
|