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Post by politicalmaniac on May 16, 2007 0:31:54 GMT 3
What to make of this loss?
5000 voted out of 42,000 registered voters.
What can be learnt here?
Was the ODM candidate "arrogant" hence hated?
What was the role of Joe Khamisi who is whinning that "outsiders" hijacked the campaign?
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Post by dola121945 on May 16, 2007 0:57:21 GMT 3
Besides the heavy downpour, flooding and a big one ....infrastructure or the state of the roads, no wonder there was a low turn out.
That was only Magharini, and it does not mean that their vote don't count, it will in the end.
Bite your tongue as you/we wait for the end of the year... it is a tad too early to try and speak of a win right now...don't you think?
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Post by adongo12345 on May 16, 2007 1:31:01 GMT 3
PM and Dola There were no elections in Magarini. This was a complete fraud. My sense is that if Kibaki tries this nonsense in the real elections there will be chaos never seen before. If people try distributing money standing outside polling stations, they may risk getting their hands cut off and the money gone. That is a dangerous scenario we must avoid, not by chance, but by clear rules for the elections. Can you imagine Chiefs keeping ballot boxes at home and soliciting votes then taking (full ?) boxes to the polling stations at 7.30 a.m in the morning. Where is the ECK. If Chiefs try that at the GE, they may not have any houses come morning? And whose responsibility would that be? The worst thing that can happen to our country in the December 2007 General Elections is fake elections that could trigger mass confrontation. Kibaki and his electoral thieves are inviting Kenyans to take the law into their own hands to supervise the elections. It can be done. It has been done before when the nation decided electoral thieves had to be treated as regular robbers. I don't like mob justice but if it is the only way to have clean elections under Kibaki, then Kenyans have no choice. Every single by-election during the Kibaki regime we have seen the same, rob the elections and nothing happens. Try that in a charged presidential and GE. They will have to build twenty more prisons and bring out the army. The ECK itself is a big joke. They whine about Kivutha Kibwana, what a shame to see the new Kivutha; but anyhow Mr. Title Deeds for Votes walks around with pockets full of title deeds. Let him try that at the GE. In any case if they need lorries of money and title deeds to get 5,000 votes in Magarini, how many title deeds will they need to get Kibaki the 6 million votes he needs. May be every village will become a district. Look at this insanity. www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=98212 The ODM didn't do a good job but I think they should have boycotted this thing altogether, document the atricious rigging activities and design plans to deal with it if the ECK cannot. At the council level where people voted free from government interference except in Ikolomani where they lost, the ODM took 8 out of 14 in very diverse areas of the country. Narc K got 3 in Central Province. This tells you the mood of the people at the grassroot level. This is why some of us are mad with the ODM "presidents-in-waiting" because everbody can see the potential of ODM on the ground and yet we also know this could all be wasted because of a few people who think Kenyans owe them State House. We are going to clean this mess real fast. It has been done before. We will do it again. I think ODM members are furious with the leadership and they are going to hear from them. Those who have other plans are going to have to go. Those who want to stay are going to have to get to work for the movement not for themselves. This is what hapenned at the council level www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=98205Adongo |
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Post by adongo12345 on May 16, 2007 4:11:34 GMT 3
Folks and Now the Good News www.timesnews.co.ke/16may07/nwsstory/topstry.htmlJukwaa has been front and centre on the fight for minimum reforms and if I remember we have debated in this forum the need to resolve election disputes within one year. It looks like that might just happen. That is a good thing for the country. It is also critical, because if Kibaki continues with the same game plan we saw in Magarini, in Kisauni, in Nakuru and elsewhere, half his M.P's will be out of office in one year. And by the way the opposition too is very capable of rigging, believe it or not, by using government resources. This is how it works. In areas where there is heavy opposition presence, on the ground and in the leadership, it is not hard to get the D.C, the D.O's and the Chiefs to protect opposition interests, particularly when they are convinced the opposition could very well be the government. Remember the referendum. Are the P.C's and D'C's going or not? Bomas and Wako Drafts say they have to go for the good of the country. Orange and Banana say they have to stay for the good of the country. Flip flop from both sides. Why? Because these authorities control the intruments of governance, often misused at election times and not always by the government. This is why all sides, government and opposition M.P's should support legal and enforceable restrictions on abuse of state resources to win an election, whatever form that abuse may take. To protect Kenyan citizens against electoral fraud a group like the ODM will have to recruit a documentation team in every constituency. These group's job will be to document in pictures, videos and other forms all sorts of government attempts at election rigging. If any of what hapenned in Magarini was properly documented, Kombe will be out of a job in one year. It was open theft. The only reason why this was going on all along is you take your chances, you win the elections, try to bribe your opponents not to file petitions against you and if they go ahead, wait for four to five years for the case to come up. No more. One year max. I think we should also impose a very hefty fine to recover the cost of setting up the Electoral Tribunals or whetever legal structures we are going to need to settle the cases. Say ranging from a minimum of Kshs 2.5 million to Kshs 10 million. Also M.P's directly involved in rigging should be barred from holding any public office for ten years. It is one thing for Kibwana to rig for Kombe but if we find Kombe rigging he is out. I am glad we are going somewhere with electoral reforms. I intend to give it an indepth look because the ECK is a total disgrace. If they can't use the powers they have now, I wonder whether just giving them more powers will solve the problem. I think what we need are mechanisms to hold them accountable. Like in Kisauni, it is the ECK officials who rigged in that looser Mwaboza. Some of those riggers belong in jail. But it is a good start in a year that is going to give us everything. But there is a lot of work a head. I think we are ready for it. Adongo. |
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Post by kamalet on May 16, 2007 8:01:31 GMT 3
Adongo should stop insulting the people of Magarini!!
I think the suggestion that they voted for Kombe because of bribery from government agents is to suggest that the people of Magarini have no brains to decide who they want and can only be induced through bribes to make a decision. You should not alway think that people need to be bribed or cannot see through bribes to make their right democratic choices! Is that not what many Kenyans did in 2005 - be bribed and still decide the Wako draft was bad?
Admit it, you ODM fella was rejected for being arrogant and even the help of Raila, Kalonzo and other "ODM luminaries" did not excite the Magarini people to reject Kombe!
But is that not the problem with ODM? Their strategy has been to promote their candidates through lambasting the government without telling Kenyans what their candidate will deliver. That is the campaign that Raila took to Magarini. Do not vote for Kombe because he is supported by the government rather than tell people what Kingi was to deliver!
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Post by adongo12345 on May 16, 2007 16:40:14 GMT 3
Kamale
So what will Kombe deliver? More title deeds? You guys are deluding yourselves with these fake "victories" which are going to take Kibaki nowhere.
All by-elections conducted during the Kibaki error have been rigged with open bribery and desperate government activities to buy votes. It is way worse than anything we saw during the Moi regime. It is pretty close to the mlolongo votes of 1988.
How are you going to do this in 210 constituencies come December? And even those who support you are going to demand bribes to vote. If others are being bribed people are going to demand something before they give you their votes. That was the dilemma Kibaki had at the referendum. Today it would be Ngilu collecting money, hunger relief food!!, and promises, tomorrow Nyachae wants his cut. They turned State House into an open bribery kiosk. Do Kenyans need all that to use their brains. No Kamale, Kenyans are using their brains alright, I am just wondering if the same can be said about the Kibaki bribery squad? If the grand plan of Kibaki is to bribe his way back to power it will fail. Take that from me.
The new rules are also going to be a nightmare. Like I said, Kenyans are pretty smart. If what we saw in Magarini happens at the GE, the courts may very well decide the composition of parliament. But my gut feeling is that when the stakes are as high as they are going to be in December those money peddlers are going to be an endangered species. You might need to give them big insurance coverage to take that risk for you.
Adongo.
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 16, 2007 17:13:53 GMT 3
The important development was the civic sets bagged by ODM
Thats grass root strength right there.
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Post by kamalet on May 16, 2007 17:47:01 GMT 3
Kamale So what will Kombe deliver? More title deeds? You guys are deluding yourselves with these fake "victories" which are going to take Kibaki nowhere. There you go again!! Magarini people are a bunch of idiots who elect Kombe for getting Kibaki to bribe them. These Magarini idiots do not have the brains to make informed decisions without being bribed! All by-elections conducted during the Kibaki error have been rigged with open bribery and desperate government activities to buy votes. It is way worse than anything we saw during the Moi regime. It is pretty close to the mlolongo votes of 1988. How are you going to do this in 210 constituencies come December? And even those who support you are going to demand bribes to vote. If others are being bribed people are going to demand something before they give you their votes. That was the dilemma Kibaki had at the referendum. Today it would be Ngilu collecting money, hunger relief food!!, and promises, tomorrow Nyachae wants his cut. They turned State House into an open bribery kiosk. Do Kenyans need all that to use their brains. No Kamale, Kenyans are using their brains alright, I am just wondering if the same can be said about the Kibaki bribery squad? If the grand plan of Kibaki is to bribe his way back to power it will fail. Take that from me. Kenyans only fail to use their brains when they vote for a Kibaki fronted candidate. The Kibaki bribery squad did not vote in Magarini, it was ordinary Kenyans like you and I. You insult Kenyans a lot with such statements. Is it so difficult to admit that the people of Magarini had a better idea of who was better between Kingi and Kombe? The new rules are also going to be a nightmare. Like I said, Kenyans are pretty smart. If what we saw in Magarini happens at the GE, the courts may very well decide the composition of parliament. But my gut feeling is that when the stakes are as high as they are going to be in December those money peddlers are going to be an endangered species. You might need to give them big insurance coverage to take that risk for you . I think Magarini was perhaps a microcosm of what will happen in December! The people of Magarini did not care what party you belonged to when they went to the vote otherwise we may be having an Italian for an MP in our parliament! Adongo. [/quote] |
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Post by adongo12345 on May 16, 2007 17:59:21 GMT 3
Kamale,
Let me ask you a simple question;
Do Kenyans really need a Chief coming to their homes at night with ballot boxes and God knows what else to help them use their brains? Can Kibaki and his people at least allow Kenyans to use their brains in the morning in a secure voting station? Is that too much to ask?
I notice you are not that much interested in the other Kenyans in the council votes who also probably used their brains. Is that also a microcosm of what could happen in December, considering it hapenned in diverse parts of the country as opposed to Kibaki bagging three seats in Central Province. Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room?
Adongo
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 16, 2007 19:38:41 GMT 3
Do Kenyans really need a Chief coming to their homes at night with ballot boxes and God knows what else to help them use their brains? Can Kibaki and his people at least allow Kenyans to use their brains in the morning in a secure voting station? Is that too much to ask? I notice you are not that much interested in the other Kenyans in the council votes who also probably used their brains. Is that also a microcosm of what could happen in December, considering it hapenned in diverse parts of the country as opposed to Kibaki bagging three seats in Central Province. Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room? Adongo Its called denial Let ODM sort them selves out. I cant wait to go back for the home run stretch and campaign for my guys |
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Post by kamalet on May 17, 2007 8:18:57 GMT 3
Kamale, Let me ask you a simple question; Do Kenyans really need a Chief coming to their homes at night with ballot boxes and God knows what else to help them use their brains? Can Kibaki and his people at least allow Kenyans to use their brains in the morning in a secure voting station? Is that too much to ask? I notice you are not that much interested in the other Kenyans in the council votes who also probably used their brains. Is that also a microcosm of what could happen in December, considering it hapenned in diverse parts of the country as opposed to Kibaki bagging three seats in Central Province. Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room? Adongo Here is what happened at the councils. Notice the regions where the elections were and you can easily tell why they voted the way they did... Embakasi/Mihango Mr Kados Paul Muiruri KPP 1,460 Isulu/ikolomani Mr Fanos Mukhonyi NewFordK 2,461 Kamwimbi/Nithii Mr John Kamwocere’s Kenda 1,010 Chugu/North Imenti Mr Henry M’Mutiga of narc-k 1,530 Malewa/Kipiripiri Mr Elijah Wagogi’s of narc-k 3,780 Solai/Rongai Mr Ephraim Njogu of narc-k 1,693 Muumandu/Kola Mr Kyalo Kikuvi of ODM 1,242 Chepkube /Mt Elgon Mr Rophas Siyoi’s ODM 765 Central Kamagambo/Rongo Mr Jared Otieno ODM 1,625 South Kanyamkago/Uriri Mr Peter Madegwa ODM 1,749 Gwassi West/Gwassi Mr Pius Oseya ODM 1,201 Nyamokenya/Bonchari Mr Charles Ongwae ODM 826 Sook ward Mr Joseph Limapus of ODM 381 Why is it so difficult to accept that ODM can lose a fair battle that you now resort to suggesting that chiefs were roaming the villages with ballot boxes asking people to vote for Kombe?? If you are happy to accept that the people of Uriri voted ODM without being bribed, then why not accept the same situation in Magarini?? |
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Post by adongo12345 on May 17, 2007 16:02:22 GMT 3
Kamale
I am not making anything up. Chiefs roaming with papers at night ( a first for Kenya) has been well reported.
Kombe leads as ODM-K protests
Story by NATION Team
Publication Date: 5/16/2007
Mr Harrison Kombe was yesterday headed for victory in the Magarini by-election held on Monday.
A voter’s small finger is marked with indelible ink after casting her vote at Kadzahoni Primary School polling station during the by-election in Magarini constituency. Photo/GIDEON MAUNDU
Mr Kombe of Shirikisho party had garnered 4,786 votes while his closest challenger, Mr Jefwa Kingi of ODM-Kenya had 2,418 votes. Mr Kombe’s re-election was supported by Narc-Kenya and the Government.
Airlifting of the returns to the constituency’s tallying station at Mapimo Youth Polytechnic was suspended after a pilot flying the helicopter used in the exercise said it was too risky due to poor visibility and bad weather. By that time — about 3pm — counting had been completed in 73 polling stations with only eight remaining.
Inflate costs
The Electoral Commission of Kenya public relations officer, Mr Mani Lemayan, confirmed the suspension of the helicopter’s operations because they would inflate the cost of the by-election.
Eight polling stations had been rendered inaccessible by road after heavy rains pounded the Coast in the week leading to the by-election.
There are 3,486 registered voters in the remaining stations, but with a voter turnout of about 20 per cent in the by-election, it is almost impossible for any other candidate to catch up with Mr Kombe who has been in the lead since counting started at 6.30pm on Monday.
But ODM-Kenya said the election should be nullified on grounds that it had been marred by malpractices.
The immediate former MP lost his seat after the Court of Appeal nullified his 2002 election following a successful petition by Mr Daraka Mbuzi.
Mr Frank Esposito of Kenda was in third position with 2,245 votes while Mr Samuel Nzai of Narc had 1,845. Mr David Noti Kombe of Kaddu with 990 votes.
The polling stations that were yet to release their results last evening are Garashi with 731 registered voters, Bate with 1,194, Boyani 54, Watalaa 385, Chamari 306, Kundeni 292, Bura 388 and Mnyenzeni 146. They have a total of 3,486 votes, which are enough to influence the results of the polling stations were it not for the low voter turn-out.
Besides the parliamentary by-election in Magarini, there were 14 civic seats to contested countrywide.
Eight seats
ODM-Kenya won eight of these, while Narc-K took three. Kenda, which is associated with Goldenberg architect Kamlesh Pattni, Kenya People’s Party of televangelist Pius Muiru and New Ford Kenya of Housing minister Soita Shitanda managed to win a seat each.
Twenty five political parties fielded 91 candidates to battle it out for the civic seats. Only seven of the 91 were women. None won. ECK chairman Samuel Kivuitu challenged women to be bolder and seek elective positions when seats fall vacant.
In Magarini, 10 political parties fielded candidates with only one woman who withdrew at the last minute.
The law requires that all votes must be tallied at a central station before the official results can be announced. But because results from the eight polling stations could not be transported to the youth polytechnic, ECK will have to wait until the results are received before announcing the final results.
Meanwhile, a 19-year-old man drowned on Monday while on his way to vote at Muyu wa Kai polling station.
Malindi OCPD Philip Opiyo said Mr Samuel Katana drowned at 9am. His body was retrieved at 1.30pm and taken to Malindi District Hospital mortuary.
Vote-buying
Meanwhile, ODM-Kenya’s deputy chairman Mutula Kilonzo yesterday told a Press conference in Nairobi that vote-buying was widespread at the Kongoni, Marereni, Motoroni, Kurawa and KK primary school polling stations in Magarini.
“In Ngomeni, for example, agents of the Government sponsored candidate were brazenly and in public view distributing money.
“However, despite protests by ODM-K polling agents to the presiding officer, the official retorted that anything occurring 400 metres outside the polling station was out of the ECK jurisdiction,”
Mr Kilonzo also said that Marafa location senior chief Paul Mwambire and the area chief went around the wards soliciting for votes while carrying ballot boxes.
“The duo further kept ballot boxes in their homes, some as late as 7.30am, which was witnessed by ODM-Kenya agents”.
At Kanyubuni sub-location, Mr Kilonzo added, the area chief and a presiding officer had a ballot box that had not been sealed. They put the box in a white pick-up bearing GK number plates.
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Post by kamalet on May 18, 2007 9:08:05 GMT 3
Adongo,
Probably you need to read all you hear from Mutula Kilonzo with a bit of caution.
Bribery is one thing you cannot eradicate from our elections, and if as Kilonzo says it was outside a polling station...then strictly speaking no law is broken. But was not the story in Magarini supposed to be Kula kwa Maua na Kura kwa chungwa? - obviously that slogan did not work.
The only reason I would have for faulting the chief with ballot box theory is simply because the ECK no longer uses provincial administration to manage elections, and secondly one should conclude that unless they were also bribed and compromised, the ODM agents in the elections could not have certified the polling station results if the alleged extra ballot boxes were sneaked into the polling stations.
As I said earlier, it is debatable if the issuance of title deeds however timed was meant to influence the results of the election and if this act actually did influence the result. ODM should accept that the margin of loss of their candidate sufficiently indicated how popular the party is!
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