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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 25, 2012 21:09:51 GMT 3
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on May 25, 2012 22:49:46 GMT 3
THIS is spot on....the drama they are currently creating is to mask the frustration...Willy Mutunga is on guard...
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Post by okolowaka on May 25, 2012 23:35:35 GMT 3
I have often used the Deputy CJ Nancy Barasa's case as a conception framework while trying to make an argument as to why Uhuru and Ruto cannot and must not be on the ballot paper. The analysis and arguments presented above paint a very clear picture; Uhuru and Ruto WILL NOT be on any ballot paper until they are cleared of ALL charges raised against them by the ICC. Thank God for the ICC... One thing is getting clear, their presidential bids are a means of trying to escape the jaws of international justice, even if for two terms in an office that enjoys immunity from arrest and prosecution.
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Post by mbuta on May 26, 2012 3:05:11 GMT 3
I think as Kenyans we need to be serious! I didn't pass the bar but this much I know; International Law does not allow persons accused of crimes against humanity to hold public office. Kenya, being a member of the international community is an active signatory to these laws and has indeed domesticated them not to mention the fact that we have a little inconvenience in the name of our constitution which also clearly spells out the conditions for holding public office. Am I wrong in stating here that this whole debate is a total waste of our collective energies as Kenyans? This is about Law, pure and simple. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. There is no way you can hold public office while at the same time being accused of crimes against humanity. NO WAY! Not unless you want to see the mother of all law suits in the Republic..
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 3:27:26 GMT 3
I think as Kenyans we need to be serious! I didn't pass the bar but this much I know; International Law does not allow persons accused of crimes against humanity to hold public office. Kenya, being a member of the international community is an active signatory to these laws and has indeed domesticated them not to mention the fact that we have a little inconvenience in the name of our constitution which also clearly spells out the conditions for holding public office. Am I wrong in stating here that this whole debate is a total waste of our collective energies as Kenyans? This is about Law, pure and simple. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. There is no way you can hold public office while at the same time being accused of crimes against humanity. NO WAY! Not unless you want to see the mother of all law suits in the Republic.. You should have stopped at "I didn't pass the bar". ;D |
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Post by foresight on May 26, 2012 3:30:46 GMT 3
It has often been said that words are cheap, and rightly so, for when one who is unlearned, lacking wisdom, and is unskilled in the use of words -- then yes, WORDS ARE CHEAP.
However, it is a different matter when a person can take up and use words like an accomplished artist uses his pallet and brush to unravel creativity.
I am usually so impressed when someone tackles a complex matter or Subject and by use of witty analogy and parallels "peels off the mask" [LOL ]to expose ITS RHEMA [ SPOKEN WORD or WRITTEN WORD] AND ITS LOGOS [THE LOGIC or THE ESSENCE]
Very good read.
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Post by mbuta on May 26, 2012 4:05:02 GMT 3
I think as Kenyans we need to be serious! I didn't pass the bar but this much I know; International Law does not allow persons accused of crimes against humanity to hold public office. Kenya, being a member of the international community is an active signatory to these laws and has indeed domesticated them not to mention the fact that we have a little inconvenience in the name of our constitution which also clearly spells out the conditions for holding public office. Am I wrong in stating here that this whole debate is a total waste of our collective energies as Kenyans? This is about Law, pure and simple. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. There is no way you can hold public office while at the same time being accused of crimes against humanity. NO WAY! Not unless you want to see the mother of all law suits in the Republic.. You should have stopped at "I didn't pass the bar". ;D Oh and here comes Otishotish with his 2 cents....very predictable...do you get tired of 'cheapening' threads on Jukwaa or you get paid a premium? |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 5:00:20 GMT 3
You should have stopped at "I didn't pass the bar". ;D Oh and here comes Otishotish with his 2 cents....very predictable...do you get tired of 'cheapening' threads on Jukwaa or you get paid a premium? Friend, I'm actually trying to help you. If you are prepared to do some homework on "International Law does not allow persons accused of crimes against humanity to hold public office.", you might learn something useful. As to your question, I never get tired, and I am happy to contribute for free. |
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Post by topnotch on May 26, 2012 9:17:46 GMT 3
Lone Felix, the author of the article, is a 21 year old man. He is currently about to make the MENSA. He completed his secondary school education in 2008. The man is one of the most intelligent people of his age group in Kenya.
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Post by destiny on May 26, 2012 10:41:19 GMT 3
Like or hate him, prepare for President Uhuru!Saturday, May 26 2012 By Otuma Ongalo It was a party launch whose pomp and sophistication had never been witnessed before in the history of our nation. Those who adore him watched with pride while those who abhor him were green with envy. Whether you hate or like Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta, you could not afford to ignore his moment of glory when he unveiled The National Alliance (TNA) party and set standards for hosting major political functions. Last Sunday’s event was Uhuru’s big statement of political intent and a game changer in national politics. The son of Jomo, like Julius Caesar and his army, has already crossed the Rubicon and the stars are aligned for him, contrary to the odds against him. There are three things that give impetus to sceptics of Uhuru’s political ambitions: He is the son of Kenya’s former President, he is a Kikuyu and is facing criminal charges in The Hague. Those conscious of his parentage argue that Kenya is not a monarchy. Those wearing tribal blinkers say the Kikuyu have already eaten; therefore the leadership mantle should be handed over to another community. Others, but quite selectively, argue the constitutional stipulation on integrity rules him out of the presidential race. I neither support nor oppose UK’s bid for presidency. In Kamukuywa, TNA can as well be mentioned in the same breath as explorations on Martian territories. Here, folks still sing rhapsodies about the Lion Party, Ford Kenya, long after the lion lost its claws and roar. Opinion polls have consistently placed Prime Minister Raila Odinga ahead of the other hopefuls in the presidential race. He is, and quite rightly, the man to win or to beat in the election early next year and you will be too naive not to appreciate this fact. Forget the pretenders to the throne. The 2013 presidential race will be a two-horse race in the unfolding political drama. And the horses have already bolted from their stables – Raila and Uhuru. The rest are mere support cast or jokers. Following the rapid dwindling of Raila’s political fortunes, the oracle heavily tips the son of Jomo for the big post and this is a bitter or sweet reality, depending on how you perceive him. Genuine as the odds against him may be, it will be a different ball game when the votes will finally be cast. Those who adore Uhuru will not focus on his pedigree or the enormity of charges levelled against him at ICC. In fact, politics being a game of irony, this may as well be his strength. He may not have reached this far politically had it not been because of the legacy of his father while his ICC woes could easily turn into massive sympathy votes. The Uhuru support euphoria in Central Kenya has reached fever pitch. So loyal is the following that some leaders have sworn by the Bible to support him while others could not dare state their political inclinations as they patiently waited for Uhuru to show the way. That Uhuru has the backing of the incumbent, President Kibaki, is a major boost. Kibaki has never stated this publicly but one must be too politically naive not to know in which camp the President’s heart lies in the crowded race to State House, as many pointers have indicated. For instance, this week he delivered Kibaki’s message during the funeral of Finance Minister Robinson Githae’s son. The gesture is significant. It’s almost unanimously accepted that none of the presidential aspirants is likely to have outright victory during the first round of voting. The probable scenario, as reinforced by opinion polls and political mood, is a faceoff between Uhuru and Raila – or rather Raila against the rest. Raila could be an enigma in Kenya’s politics but not enigmatic enough to withstand joint onslaught waged by Musalia Mudavadi in Western, William Ruto in Rift Valley, Najib Balala in Coast, Kalonzo Musyoka in Eastern and Uhuru in Central, among several other political foes. The youth vote will be crucial in the presidential elections and Uhuru commands a sizeable youth following among dotcom generation. Add to his financial muscle and the die is cast. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000058806&story_title=Like%20or%20hate%20him,%20prepare%20for%20President%20Uhuru
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Post by mbuta on May 26, 2012 13:03:44 GMT 3
Oh and here comes Otishotish with his 2 cents....very predictable...do you get tired of 'cheapening' threads on Jukwaa or you get paid a premium? Friend, I'm actually trying to help you. If you are prepared to do some homework on "International Law does not allow persons accused of crimes against humanity to hold public office.", you might learn something useful. As to your question, I never get tired, and I am happy to contribute for free. I don't need to do any homework on that, but perhaps you do. Funny that you think rummaging through threads, offering peni mbili commentaries is contribution.. |
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Post by mbuta on May 26, 2012 13:10:32 GMT 3
“ It would therefore be true to say that the suspended judge Nancy Barasa was right in refusing to be searched by Kerubo as there is no obligation to respect that which is not legal. We could validly argue that when she pinched Kerubo’s nose and said “you should know people” she actually was defending herself from an illegal search and she actually meant “you should know the law”, But with this vacuum existent, the country suspended her from the office. What justification would be there for a country to say its legal-moral threshold is that when a deputy chief justice is suspected to have pinched a guard’s nose they are suspended but when a Deputy prime minister is accused of Murder, Rape and other inhumane acts they are allowed to seek the presidency.”
If there was ever a statement that reeks of false equivalence, then this is one.
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Post by kamalet on May 26, 2012 13:35:51 GMT 3
Raila supporters should perhaps stop this banking on people not being on the ballot so that he can succeed. If Kenyans love Raila that very much, they will still elect him president with or without the charges holding against the O-2 candidates.
Raila can and should lead his own campaign without appearing to bank on the removal of Uhuru or Ruto on the ballot.
One thing is clear; if Kenyans in a free and fair ballot voted for either of the suspects to be PORK and they won the ballot, it would be an indication that Kenyans want them for leaders irrespective of what the world wants. What cannot and should not be allowed is a botched vote that has these guys being 'elected' president just to beat the ICC system.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 26, 2012 14:12:05 GMT 3
Raila supporters should perhaps stop this banking on people not being on the ballot so that he can succeed. If Kenyans love Raila that very much, they will still elect him president with or without the charges holding against the O-2 candidates. Raila can and should lead his own campaign without appearing to bank on the removal of Uhuru or Ruto on the ballot. One thing is clear; if Kenyans in a free and fair ballot voted for either of the suspects to be PORK and they won the ballot, it would be an indication that Kenyans want them for leaders irrespective of what the world wants. What cannot and should not be allowed is a botched vote that has these guys being 'elected' president just to beat the ICC system. Is it posssible for you to actually think on anything without Raila in your mind? Are you possessed by the man? This thread is about Uhuru and his obviously dwindling chances at the presidency. Nobody here so far has even talked about Raila. And here you come blazing about Raila and Raila supporters. Why do you allow Raila to dwarf all your thinking? Just a question. Listen. If Uhuru actually participated in mass murder and rape of Kenyans as charged his political life is over. He will end up in jail for 80 years or be a fugitive on the run. That doesn't look presidential to me. It is just that simple. Now why should you blame Raila for that? Did Raila send him to go kill people? Nope. It is Kibaki who did. So take your wailing to Kibaki, please. That is a friendly advice. |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 15:12:50 GMT 3
I don't need to do any homework on that, but perhaps you do. Funny that you think rummaging through threads, offering peni mbili commentaries is contribution.. I think helping cure acute ignorance is a contributon; don't you? Now, please go do your homework. |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 15:41:52 GMT 3
Raila supporters should perhaps stop this banking on people not being on the ballot so that he can succeed. If Kenyans love Raila that very much, they will still elect him president with or without the charges holding against the O-2 candidates. Raila can and should lead his own campaign without appearing to bank on the removal of Uhuru or Ruto on the ballot. Even the criminals themselves have moved on from Railaring everything. You too should move on. The fact is not that complicated: people charged with the worst crimes known to humanity should not be running for the highest public office (or any public office at all). You might want to consider how things are done in countries that are run much better than ours and learn something. |
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Post by Mukwhasi on May 26, 2012 18:29:24 GMT 3
My position is still solid on this ,let the boy "run" in to political oblivion if thats what he wants ,what otuma ongalo does not appreciate is the fact that the kenyatta family is responsible for the land issues in RV and they will not support another Kenyatta to resolve historical injustices,the abandu are already divided btwn RAO and Phandom but when the chips have fallen i do not see how Luyhas will forsake RAO the great great grand child of the Mumia family for muthamaki ,we have all witnessed the ethninisation that has been the Kibaki presidency and UK was in the heart of things sometimes even considerd a table banging hardliner ,it is not possible.The only credible compromise candiate that both the kalenjin and kikuyu can agree to is MM but remember the proverbial hyena who was torn in to two because it tried to reach two pots of soup on either side ,such is the nature of the so called G7.
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