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Post by umoja on Jun 6, 2012 18:10:49 GMT 3
If he is not careful, Musalia Mudavadi could find himself in 2013 in the same shoes as Kenyatta and Ruto accused by the ICC of Crimes Against Humanity. In a bid to demonize Raila Odinga the politician, some of his supporters are already crossing the line by demonizing the Luo Community.
The recent reports of anti-Luo utterances from a UDF Rally in Kakamega and comments by Eugene Wamalwa critical of the demonizing of Raila Odinga and the Luo community is enough to raise an alarm. We can not have two communities living peacefully side by side for generations and all of a sudden start going for each others’ throats because of political machinations.
Those who know Mudavadi, his adviser Kibisu Kabetesi and Hon. Bonny Kalwale, should caution them not to the fall into the trap of poisoning the political climate against an entire community. At the end of the day, politicians will do what is politically expedient but they should be aware that there is a price to pay.
Kamale on a separate thread said that if Raila “ wants to be president, then he must develop a very thick skin and must accept that there will truths and lies told about him and he has to live with it!” I agree with him on this. These are the political risks Raila takes as a politician. However, no community in Kenya should be used as a scapegoat to settle political scores between Presidential candidates and power brokers. It was wrong to do that in 2007 and previous general elections and still it’s criminal to apply the same tactics now.
No Kenyan has been convicted at the Hague yet but the mere fact four Kenyans are slated to stand trial at the Hague should cause a serious politician with national leadership ambitions to tread carefully.
In the current heightened ICC climate, I am sure that the anti-Luo comments are being documented and if there is violence between now and the general election or thereafter, some one will connect the dots leading to the political strategy of Mudavadi and his political benefactors.
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Post by umoja on Jun 7, 2012 12:24:26 GMT 3
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Post by stibin on Jun 7, 2012 13:53:58 GMT 3
I trust the mombasa peace meeting will consider disbanding the overly ineffective NCIC to save taxpayers the agony of throwing away more money. If Kibunja and his team executed their mandate as required, I believe the likes of Mudavadi could think twice before fueling these unnecessary tensions.
The MPs in the forum must also acknowledge that peace disruptions happen routinely during election time and they are mostly to blame. Definitely they must adopt civilized ways of conducting their campaigns.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 7, 2012 17:07:45 GMT 3
umoja,Mudavadi has indicated he is willing to get into alliance with those who share the same ideology with him and/or his party and those who support the policies they have put forward. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1422596/-/9csj1d/-/index.htmlSo far Mudavadi has not told us what that ideology is nor has Mudavadi espoused any policies. From the rallies they held in Kakamega (twice), in Afraha and in Mombasa it is easy to summarize Mudavadi's ideology and policies as simply finding away to stop Raila we don't even know why. Raila is old he told the country. Raila should retire he demanded. Let's unite to stop Raila that is what he has been screaming about. And then his right hand man Kibisu Kabatesi claimed that Raila imported people (read Luos) to go clobber mourners in a funeral because the mourners did not submit to Raila. Kibusu knew he was lying but that didn't matter to him. What mattered to him and Mudavadi was to send a massage out there that Luos are being brought to beat Luhyas. The inference is obvious. What are Luhyas waiting for. They repeated the same line of inciting lies in their last rally in Kakamega. It is easy to understand the thinking behind this. The calculation has been that Mudavadi should take the Luhya vote away from Raila. What better way to do that than by inciting hatred between the two communities who have lived peacefully sided by side for generations. So we know the ideology that Mudavadi is talking about and he is inviting those who share the same ideology to join him. In real life ideology should about what a party and its leadership wants to achieve for the country and how they intend to do that. For example. 1. What is Mudavadi's ideology in terms of addressing poverty in Kenya. I don't think fighting Raila offers any solution in that direction. 2. How does Mudavadi intend to address the issue of land distribution in Kenya? How will Mudavadi address the issue of a few individuals sitting on thousands of grabbed land when millions of Kenyans are landless squatters? Can Mudavadi actually get the courage to deal with land grabbers line Moi (one of his current sponsors). I think we know the answer to that one and we can see how fits very well with Mudavadi's ideology of Raila must be stopped. 3. How does Mudavadi intend to address the issue of corruption in high places which continues to erode all possibilities for progress in Kenya? Has Mudavadi uttered even a single word on tackling corruption. No he has not. How can he when the merchants of corruption are his sponsors. 4. How will Mudavadi address the deadly problem of impunity and deal with the ICC situation where some very powerful Kenyans have been charged for crimes of committing mass murder and rapes against Kenyans. Well so far Mudavadi is busy meeting with the accused persons at night everyday working out mechanisms to work with them. So Mudavadi's ideology in terms of impunity is to embrace perpetrators of violence against Kenyans, work with them in the hopes of protecting their interests. How useful is this ideology to the millions of Kenyans who crave for peace with justice? I have raised only those four issues to illustrate Mudavadi's ideology of embracing impunity and protecting the mighty and powerful. It is an ideology that should have no future in our country but we understand where it is coming from. This is the ideology of the past. It is the ideology of old rotten Kenya which people like Mudavadi want to perpetuate under the disguise of a new and "young" leadership.
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Post by umoja on Jun 8, 2012 11:41:42 GMT 3
Adongo,
Your take on Musalia Mudavadi and his lack of any tangible ideology can not be disputed.
Musalia's political choices should not be a surprise to anyone who has followed his public career. He will not change his political "spots". People like Kibisu are a disappointment only to those who knows him and expects so much from him. For most of us he is just another gun for hire.
The main reason I started this thread was to point out to Mudavadi's friends that he risks going the "Hague route". Also that there will be a price to pay if he continues on the path of diving the Abaluhya and Jo Luo communities as his route to the Statehouse.
Stinbin, I share your frustration on NCIC. On paper it was a good idea but in reality it has turned out to be "fluff". It reminds me of burbles kids blow up during holiday festivities, which look big and nice but the beautiful multicolored round shapes lasts for only a few seconds before they bust.
There is no need to retain outfits such as NCIC if they do not live up to what they were intended to do. There should be a way of disbanding these "Fluffs" and look at reinstating them when there is real political commitments to make them work. They will eventually cause more harm than good in their current form.
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Post by umoja on Jun 9, 2012 1:47:10 GMT 3
Lobby urges MPs to preach peace At least these Kenya Private Sector Alliance (Kepsa) fellows are sincere about their support for peaceful elections. The bottom line for them is to avoid the lose of billions of shillings in sales, services or investments. Unlike Kenya politicians they are transparent about their intention. SATURDAY NATION Saturday Posted Friday, June 8 2012 at 22:30 By LUCAS BARASA lbarasa@ke.nationmedia.com www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Lobby+urges+MPs+to+preach+peace/-/1064/1423404/-/yl091qz/-/index.html"The country is looking up to you to help it become a competitive economy,†Kepsa vice-chair Vimal Shah. The business community wants MPs to ensure the violence witnessed after the 2008 elections is not repeated during next year’s polls. Kenya Private Sector Alliance(Kepsa) Vice-Chairman and head of the Mkenya Daima campaign Vimal Shah issued the appeal during the conference on peaceful elections held in Mombasa on Friday. Mr Shah said there was need to restore hope among Kenyans because according to various surveys, majority are committed to avoiding a repeat of the post-election violence. “Mkenya Daima aims to ask all parties involved to maintain sobriety and seeks a peaceful transition to whoever wins the elections, †said Mr Shah. The Mkenya Daima campaign aims to involve all stake holders in efforts to ensure there is peace in the electioneering period and Friday's participation in the conference was part of an initiative to engage opinion leaders on the same. Mr Shah also urged politicians to exercise political maturity and avoid making inflammatory comments that may cause instability in the country. “The ongoing political rallies in various parts of the country should be platforms to preach peace and not divide Kenyans,†he added. The business community lost more than Sh10 billion during the 2007-2008 violence. This is excluding the number of people who died and the negative publicity the chaos generated. Foreign investors want to invest in the country’s infrastructure, energy and gas but can only do so if there is a stable business environment. This, Mr Shah added, must be safeguarded at all costs. “You are the people that the country is looking up to help Kenya become the most competitive economy in Africa and beyond,†added the vice-chairman. While the Mkenya Daima campaign is steered by Kepsa, it brings on board various partners in the civil society, media, students, musicians and “ Kenyans of goodwill.†This campaign will link up with all other campaigns whose goal is to ensure peaceful elections and prosperity in Kenya. |
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Post by man on Jun 9, 2012 3:04:40 GMT 3
Mudavadi's spokesperson, one Kibisu Kabatesi in his characteristic verbal diarrhea has all but unknowingly admitted that his boss is Kibaki's project. Look at this statement attributed to him from the Daily Nation;
“When Land Minister James Orengo and Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo recently begged Kibaki to endorse the PM, did they want him to become a project? Are they calling Mudavadi a project because he got what they wanted?” Mr Kabatesi asked and added the DPM had a right to make friends at any level.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 9, 2012 3:28:53 GMT 3
The stakes are too high for The Owners of Kenya, and the elections must be stolen in their favour (and Kenyatta's or, their stooge, Mudavadi). Those who are already at the Hague will not see much to risk in engaging in activities that would add to their charge-sheet.
Things are going to get very ugly in this country.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 9, 2012 10:37:43 GMT 3
Mudavadi's spokesperson, one Kibisu Kabatesi in his characteristic verbal diarrhea has all but unknowingly admitted that his boss is Kibaki's project. Look at this statement attributed to him from the Daily Nation; “When Land Minister James Orengo and Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo recently begged Kibaki to endorse the PM, did they want him to become a project? Are they calling Mudavadi a project because he got what they wanted?” Mr Kabatesi asked and added the DPM had a right to make friends at any level. Man, Kabatesi continues to baffle me. It is out there in the public space, that the Othaya Narc Activist owns this pary, and assigned Nick Wanjohi [see also Nereah's siasa moto moto import below] to 'bring Musalia in'. Mudavadi walked into a feathered nest, into somebody else's game plan. Close associates of Kibaki appear to have switched camp to Mudavadi after he joined UDF, a party allegedly conceived by his Private Secretary Nick Wanjohi. Kibaki’s nephew Assistant minister Nderitu Muriithi and the renown Othaya politician Mary Wambui are closely linked to the party. On Thursday, Kalonzo, the President’s principle assistant who many fear is being sidelined said he was still in the G7 alliance but insisted he was the most senior and therefore expected support from his “junior” colleagues. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000059522&pageNo=2An official at Mr Mudavadi’s party who did not wish to be named claimed Prof Wanjohi met Mr Mudavadi at his home in Nairobi before making a trip the DPM’s Mululu home a few days before he ditched the ODM last month. “We were told at the last minute that he will be joining us,said the official. “We are interim officials and of course we get orders from certain people.” ” www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/....kz/-/index.html Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3885&page=5#ixzz1xHMcK4SpI think Kabatesi should do well to come up with a more powerful quip to refute this. If he is serious. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 10, 2012 2:01:20 GMT 3
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Post by job on Jun 10, 2012 3:04:34 GMT 3
“I’ll not endorse anybody because I’ll be here among you campaigning as my lawyers battle the case at the ICC.”
Uhuru Kenyatta, Saturday June 9th, 2012 at Wamba, Samburu County. 1) Is this to say Uhuru won't be attending the actual trial - as required by the Rome Statutes?
2) Is this a defiant message to Kibaki that Uhuru won't relinquish his run for an alternate "project" (aka Mudavadi)?
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Post by umoja on Jun 10, 2012 5:36:16 GMT 3
I would add a third point to Job's list:
1) Is this to say Uhuru won't be attending the actual trial - as required by the Rome Statutes?
2) Is this a defiant message to Kibaki that Uhuru won't relinquish his run for an alternate "project" (aka Mudavadi)?
3) Is Uhuru sending a not too subtle threat to Kibaki by stating that all 2007 Presidential candidates should be the ones to take the ultimate political responsibility at the Hague for the 2007 post election violence ? Remember that until this point, Uhuru has only zeroed in only on Raila Odinga.
Yes Adongo, Mudavadi has a problem if Uhuru digs his heels in as a Presidential candidate which means that Mudavadi will be left out in electoral political limbo. Kibaki has no wiggle room when it comes to Uhuru Kenyatta and the ominous political shadow that is Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Even the Nyeri NARC activist is no match to Mama Ngina.
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Post by samson on Jun 10, 2012 7:40:50 GMT 3
I agree with most contributors that we need politics based on issues-these can not be about blocking so and so or even isolating his tribe unless we want another PEV. On land redistribution yes,but some should tell us how? Do you buy them or forceful take back,noting that individuals grabed land ,multinationals have big chunks of land,how they got it- i dont know.laikipia is a good example. Have in mind zibabwe. Land is one aspect but more need to be done to empower people.why? I came from an area where people were paid big sums of money by Britain-those injured by borms, 80% of them are poorer than they were-some who got more than 50m. Empowerig people should include giving them land.but kenyas shd be made aware that it is not possible for all to own land. If you give land to peasants you cant avoid prevent then from selling. The issiue of land need to be looked it with alot of care.both landless and landlords have rights
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 10, 2012 9:10:54 GMT 3
My friend Uhuru, just like me, you, Raila and Kibaki has only one vote. Why would you single him out in this manner? |
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Post by kamalet on Jun 10, 2012 11:39:41 GMT 3
All I know is that Mudavadi will be damned by any suggestion that he is Kibaki's project and he should work extremely hard to drop the tag!
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Post by afrigun on Jun 10, 2012 13:09:18 GMT 3
All I know is that Mudavadi will be damned by any suggestion that he is Kibaki's project and he should work extremely hard to drop the tag! Is he the "project" President Kibaki metioned in his speech in Mombasa? ;D ;D or rather, Isnt he? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 10, 2012 17:28:33 GMT 3
All I know is that Mudavadi will be damned by any suggestion that he is Kibaki's project and he should work extremely hard to drop the tag! The other thing I know is that Mudavadi will be tripple damned if Kibaki allows Uhuru to jump bail at The Hague and become an international fugitive and then Kibaki tells Mudavadi to take over and protect the treachery. It won't work. Trust me on that. That is the thing they are trying to hide. Too bad, we have seen it. |
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Post by kamalet on Jun 10, 2012 18:05:59 GMT 3
All I know is that Mudavadi will be damned by any suggestion that he is Kibaki's project and he should work extremely hard to drop the tag! The other thing I know is that Mudavadi will be tripple damned if Kibaki allows Uhuru to jump bail at The Hague and become an international fugitive and then Kibaki tells Mudavadi to take over and protect the treachery. It won't work. Trust me on that. That is the thing they are trying to hide. Too bad, we have seen it. You may want to rope in the ICC into this conspiracy theory - and the only thing that would make me think ICC is concerned is a view that Kibaki has resigned himself to the fact that Uhuru will be in custody by election time and he being one of the most ardent ABR supporters prefers to have Mudavadi rather than allow RAO the chance. But I do not think this is really the case and Kibaki will still be rooting for Uhuru. The recent pieces of work done by Mudavadi are for the only reason it would send the wrong signals if Kibaki had assigned Uhuru the work, especially since Uhuru wants to be his own man come this election. |
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Post by morimax on Jun 13, 2012 18:58:09 GMT 3
Now I wonder what the Kati kati projects are going to do next. The mouth watering opportunity to be the next president is being snatched away as they watch. ICC cases to start after March 2013. Which means Uhuru and Ruto will most likely be in the ballot. As in there will be no more opportunistic votes for the compromise candidates. It has been a short high ride for MM and ride has been cut short so to say. This leaves RAO with lots of chances to win first round. I bet he will get the 51+
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 13, 2012 21:30:13 GMT 3
I believe Kibaki is going to be heavily implicated once the ball gets rolling. He probably knows that, which is why he has been struggling to save Uhuru and Muthaura.
According to the NSIS, "Operation Kibaki Again" was a front for Mungiki. Yet its members were allowed to meet Kibaki at State House; even State House does not deny that Diambo was there, although they claim that "no Mungiki affairs were discussed". Are we really to believe that the NSIS and state security allowed a murderous gang to wander through State House without the people there knowing who they were? Are we really to believe that Kibaki did not know who he was meeting?
At some point, something desperate will be attempted as part of the Rescue Mission, and my guess is that it will happen late in the Discovery stage, when they have a full realization of just what the OTP has on them. In the meantime, the kati-kati option must be pursued with all vigour.
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Post by nalinali on Jun 21, 2012 20:45:58 GMT 3
Something is amiss when a thread about MM-the visionary compromise candidate for PORK is relegated to the forgotten so soon--here at Jukwaa as well. I am following this man's moves and I am disappointed that his mouthpiece, Kibsu Kabatesi, has gone quiet after Jirongo's broadside. Calling on all Jukwaa members to re-energize the focus on future PORK once again.
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Post by morimax on Jun 21, 2012 20:53:50 GMT 3
Something is amiss when a thread about MM-the visionary compromise candidate for PORK is relegated to the forgotten so soon--here at Jukwaa as well. I am following this man's moves and I am disappointed that his mouthpiece, Kibsu Kabatesi, has gone quiet after Jirongo's broadside. Calling on all Jukwaa members to re-energize the focus on future PORK once again. Mazee, it is back to drawing board. Things are not as rosy as it was intended to be. With the ICC case delayed, up to after March 2013, which means the suspects will most likely be on the ballot, there is kupitia kati kati for MM. It is a real headache for these team. Looking at the recent pronouncements some of them are contemplating withdrawing their candidature voluntarily. But who knows lets wait and see what comes up next. |
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Post by tnk on Jun 21, 2012 21:17:30 GMT 3
Something is amiss when a thread about MM-the visionary compromise candidate for PORK is relegated to the forgotten so soon--here at Jukwaa as well. I am following this man's moves and I am disappointed that his mouthpiece, Kibsu Kabatesi, has gone quiet after Jirongo's broadside. Calling on all Jukwaa members to re-energize the focus on future PORK once again. Mazee, it is back to drawing board. Things are not as rosy as it was intended to be. With the ICC case delayed, up to after March 2013, which means the suspects will most likely be on the ballot, there is kupitia kati kati for MM. It is a real headache for these team. Looking at the recent pronouncements some of them are contemplating withdrawing their candidature voluntarily. But who knows lets wait and see what comes up next. if you follow closely what the judges said during the status conference, i don't think they are going to follow the political calendar of people suspected to have committed heinous crimes against humanity. from the judges perspective it would be allowing a criminal more time for one final act. i don't think they will even consider it. and if you listen closely you find them subtly obtaining the information required for them to set the court calendar for chamber 5. their only consideration is "when the OTP is ready to proceed" if we go back and check the transcript, that's what will determine the court calendar. all those "we have no objection" is a clever ploy by the OTP to buy time if granted, but at the same time means nothing to the judges. check out the questions asked on the time frames |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 22, 2012 19:26:18 GMT 3
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Post by raiswakesho on Jun 22, 2012 20:06:53 GMT 3
How is he going to unite Kenyans & who wouldn't?
You can't bring in the new while playing the old...leaders urging regions to vote as a block is nothing less than tribalism and if MM doesn't know this then Kabatesi must correct him.
He should sell his policies and ask voters to elect whoever they feel is the best but oh no, that's counter productive to the game plan. Watu wamerevuka siku hizi ndugu zanguni !!
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