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Post by Titchaz on Jun 16, 2012 22:33:26 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga condoles the widow of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti Margaret Saitoti during his burial at Enkasiti village, Kitengela, Kajiado County The late Prof Saitoti's brothers at the Lee Funeral Home John Cardinal Njue performs the last rites on the casket containing the remains of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti at Enkasiti village, Kitengela, Kajiado County June 16, 2012 Former President Moi arrives for the burial of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti at Enkasiti village, Kitengela, Kajiado County June 16, 2012 Former President Moi (left) and former Ghana leader Jerry Rawlings (right) during the burial of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti at Enkasiti village, Kitengela, Kajiado County Security personnel keep vigil during the burial of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti at Enkasiti village, Kitengela, Kajiado County June 16, 2012.
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Post by Titchaz on Jun 16, 2012 22:35:34 GMT 3
The widow of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti Margaret Saitoti is comforted after viewing the remains of her husband at the Lee Funeral Home, Nairobi June 16, 2012
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Post by amadain on Jun 18, 2012 19:24:11 GMT 3
Where is Saitoti's Goldenberg loot? "Saitoti’s political career proceeded smoothly and in 2008 he was promoted from the Ministry of Education to take over as Minister for Internal Security. Fortune had conspired it seems to make George Saitoti the political head of the Criminal Investigation department which the AG directed to investigate him. He was now in charge of the evidence against him and the so-called Goldenberg International Limited. Were Kenyans expected to believe that Saitoti was to investigate himself or that indeed the evidence was still intact?"the-star.co.ke/opinions/mwalimu-mati/80720-what-happened-to-saitotis-goldenberg-loot
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Post by einstein on Jun 18, 2012 23:10:57 GMT 3
Good people,Did Al-shabaab threaten Defence Minister Haji & Co. for the sole purpose of deflecting their real intention to bring Prof. Saitoti & Ojode down whom they had settled for? Remember Ojode saying in parliament that "the head of Al-shabaab is in Nairobi's Eastleigh with the tail being in Somalia"?Sorry, I got no time to lay my hands on the article threatening Haji & Co. a while ago. Can A Jukwaaist fish it out please? I predict: Haji will be the new Minister for Internal Security! I might be wrong though!! Haji appointed acting Internal Security MinisterDefence Minister Yusuf Haji has been appointed Internal Security Minister in an acting capacity. Photo/FILE Defence Minister Yusuf Haji was on Monday evening appointed the acting Minister for Provincial Administration and Internal Security. In a statement to the newsroom, President Kibaki noted that Mr Haji will be in-charge of the docket alongside his Defence portfolio. The position fell vacant following the death of Prof George Saitoti in a helicopter crash alongside his assistant Orwa Ojodeh, their bodyguards and two pilots. However, Mr Ojodeh's position remains vacant. Samburu West MP, Simeon Lesirma is the other Internal Security Assistant Minister who worked alongside the fallen leaders. Meanwhile, President Kibaki in consultation with Prime Minister Raila Odinga has appointed Mr Kinuthia Mwangi Wamwangi the chairperson of the Transition Authority. The agency will be charged with coordinating transition to the devolved government. Other members who have been appointed include: Ms Angeline Awino Hongo, Ms Safia Abdi, Ms Mary Ndeto, Ms Jacqueline Mogeni, Mr Erastus Nyaga Rweria, Mr Simeon Pkiyach, Mr Bakari Omara and Mr Dabar Maalim. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1430518/-/9ddo3b/-/index.html
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Post by reporter911 on Jun 19, 2012 22:01:53 GMT 3
Good people,Did Al-shabaab threaten Defence Minister Haji & Co. for the sole purpose of deflecting their real intention to bring Prof. Saitoti & Ojode down whom they had settled for? Remember Ojode saying in parliament that "the head of Al-shabaab is in Nairobi's Eastleigh with the tail being in Somalia"?Sorry, I got no time to lay my hands on the article threatening Haji & Co. a while ago. Can A Jukwaaist fish it out please? I predict: Haji will be the new Minister for Internal Security! I might be wrong though!! Haji appointed acting Internal Security MinisterDefence Minister Yusuf Haji has been appointed Internal Security Minister in an acting capacity. Photo/FILE Defence Minister Yusuf Haji was on Monday evening appointed the acting Minister for Provincial Administration and Internal Security. In a statement to the newsroom, President Kibaki noted that Mr Haji will be in-charge of the docket alongside his Defence portfolio. The position fell vacant following the death of Prof George Saitoti in a helicopter crash alongside his assistant Orwa Ojodeh, their bodyguards and two pilots. However, Mr Ojodeh's position remains vacant. Samburu West MP, Simeon Lesirma is the other Internal Security Assistant Minister who worked alongside the fallen leaders. Meanwhile, President Kibaki in consultation with Prime Minister Raila Odinga has appointed Mr Kinuthia Mwangi Wamwangi the chairperson of the Transition Authority. The agency will be charged with coordinating transition to the devolved government. Other members who have been appointed include: Ms Angeline Awino Hongo, Ms Safia Abdi, Ms Mary Ndeto, Ms Jacqueline Mogeni, Mr Erastus Nyaga Rweria, Mr Simeon Pkiyach, Mr Bakari Omara and Mr Dabar Maalim. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1430518/-/9ddo3b/-/index.htmlSpot on with your predictions!! not even daily nation or standard the rag newspapers saw this appointment coming ..... but on the issue of Al-shabaab being involved in the crash? I don't seem to agree on that, " people use excuses and cover-ups to do crimes" using terrorists as an excuse.. if indeed it was a sabotage! using Al-shabaab as a cover-up was a brilliant set up..for those involved...But I don't think the saboteurs will get away with it, with the group of experts involved, kenyans will wait patiently for investigation results, especially the Wilson airport security camera's if any, phone activities from the tower before, during and after the crash, phone companies can provide that.. if indeed it was not an act of God but instead a sabotage.. something will come up among the haystack of lies, propaganda, innuendo's e.t.c
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 20, 2012 19:41:26 GMT 3
A FAREWELL OF VOLCANIC FUMES.Ha! timeless horns that blow sounds harsh!
And swords sharp that mortal wounds make!
Truth and men at death! ----Look at them O Kenyans look at them! Dressed up pious for a festival of hypocrisy. Sheep with the claws of wolves sticking out for hooves! Scorpion tongues purposed to paralyse upright morality! ----- Bethink thee! O lords of lies bethink thee!
That there be men to cut your lying tongue..
And ram it down your throat at the tip of sword! -----Him that stole from the people! Vermin be gone I spit upon thee! Our hearts be two rocks by the side! Deaf to the other till the end of time! - O Greedy Fates pass by!
Bring a welcome death that sails away with vermin!
Truth and politician strangers! Hearts divorced forever ********************** I saw thee naught at the funeral of Chimorei.
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Post by destiny on Jul 9, 2012 10:59:19 GMT 3
Now that investigations are under-way, here are some issues that the commission should explore:
Just before Saitoti and Ojodeh died, Jakowo Midiwo had claimed that Raila's life was in big danger from some people who wanted to kill him. Midiwo has since been taken to court over this matter. Where did he get this information from? Was it from Ojodeh? If so had Ojodeh been told this by his boss and close buddy Prof Saitoti thus scuttling the plot which in turn may have offended the would be killers? Midiwo needs to come clean and elaborate this plot.
Another angle to explore is that debated in parliament about drug lords. They must "invite" Naomi Shebesh to explain more. Were the two ministers and their crew really taken out because of something to do with powerful drug lords? If so, was the chopper bombed? Or was there some poisonous GAS or CHEMICAL in the chopper (like Cyanide) which the victims may have inhaled, knocking them unconscious while still on air? What did the post mortem results from the lungs (if any) show?
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Post by job on Jul 10, 2012 8:59:10 GMT 3
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Post by job on Jul 17, 2012 2:51:46 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Jul 25, 2012 10:08:08 GMT 3
IKO KITU! Ngatia has now demanded an in-camera private session meaning that there is some explosive dossier coming up. What is shocking however is that, from yesterday's session, it emerges that the procurement committee totally ignored evaluating the safety aspect in their selective tendering of the ill-fated chopper. In aviation industry, I do not think that there is anything else that comes before air safety. Chopper bought without safety checks, team told
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Post by falafulani on Jul 26, 2012 10:55:03 GMT 3
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST: Eurocopter crashes in France goo.gl/3au6Z
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Post by b6k on Jul 26, 2012 12:43:26 GMT 3
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST: Eurocopter crashes in France goo.gl/3au6Z Falafulani, so it appears these Eurocopters can go down whether safety checks are conducted or not. After all, this one that crashed in Europe was being tested by Eurocopter staff to ensure it was safe to be delivered to the client. It also appears to have exploded in mid-air & killed all occupants on board, just like the Saitoti one. I suppose Phil would have us believe that the long arm of KE drug barons or other forces of impunity reached all the way to France to arrange a near identical accident. That's highly unlikely. This may have been nothing but an (un)fortunate accident when all's said & done.
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 26, 2012 15:54:56 GMT 3
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST: Eurocopter crashes in France goo.gl/3au6Z MARSEILLE, Jun 26 – All six people on board a helicopter owned by the chopper manufacturer Eurocopter died on Wednesday when the aircraft plunged into a mountain in southeastern France, sources said.The bodies were recovered from near the village of La-Palud-sur-Verdon, a source close to the crash inquiry said. Local officials had said earlier that the helicopter was an army aircraft. A nearby restaurant owner told AFP that “customers having lunch on the terrace started yelling – there was an explosion and lots of black smoke”. A Eurocopter spokesman said the six men on board the Cougar helicopter, a version of the civilian Super Puma AS 532 AL aircraft designed for military use, were test pilots and engineers working for the group and that the aircraft was on a test flight before being delivered to a buyer. Eurocopter’s security development director Gilles Bruniaux described the men as “hardened professionals”. The helicopter came down at around 1145 GMT near a group of people hiking in the popular tourist area and the crash injured one of them slightly on the ankle, local officials said. One of the possible causes of the accident being considered was that the chopper hit an electricity cable, the source close to the crash inquiry said. Experts from the French aviation safety authority and Eurocopter staff were on the way to the site to help try and determine the cause, the company said.A private jet crashed in the same region on July 13, killing three people. IS THIS THE SAME ARM OF CORPORATION THAT SOLD THE EUROCOPTER TO KENYA POLICE? THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES ARE THESE EUROCOPTERS MANUFACTURED WITH A DEFECT?
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 26, 2012 15:56:13 GMT 3
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST: Eurocopter crashes in France goo.gl/3au6Z Falafulani, so it appears these Eurocopters can go down whether safety checks are conducted or not. After all, this one that crashed in Europe was being tested by Eurocopter staff to ensure it was safe to be delivered to the client. It also appears to have exploded in mid-air & killed all occupants on board, just like the Saitoti one. I suppose Phil would have us believe that the long arm of KE drug barons or other forces of impunity reached all the way to France to arrange a near identical accident. That's highly unlikely. This may have been nothing but an (un)fortunate accident when all's said & done. Not unfortunate if the company is selling defective Eurocopters ama!
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Post by moesha on Aug 3, 2012 21:34:25 GMT 3
"An untrained examiner certified the pilot of the helicopter that crashed on June 10 killing Internal Security minister George Saitoti, his deputy Orwa Ojode and four other government officers. Captain Nancy Gituanja, who died in the crash, was certified by former Air Force pilot Evans Sigalai on November 23, 2009 and scored a "high average" score on her ability and skill in flying helicopters. That was the highest grade possible, the others being "average" and "below average". The test was done at the Wilson Airport.A case of being reckless with people's lives. Can someone explain to me how an untrained instructor/examiner certifies a helicopter pilot or any other pilot for that matter. Only in Kenya. allafrica.com/stories/201208031233.html
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Post by destiny on Oct 2, 2012 12:36:07 GMT 3
Mmmmmmm........... ...... Were the two ministers and their crew really taken out because of something to do with powerful drug lords? If so, was the chopper bombed? Or was there some poisonous GAS or CHEMICAL in the chopper (like Cyanide) which the victims may have inhaled, knocking them unconscious while still on air? What did the post mortem results from the lungs (if any) show? Puzzle of poisonous gas in Saitoti crashUpdated Tuesday, October 02 2012 at 00:00 GMT+3 By ALLY JAMAH There is a new puzzle on the Saitoti chopper crash — co-pilot Luke Oyugi’s body bore significant amount of a poisonous gas not found in the other bodies from the helicopter.
But curiously the blood sample taken from former Internal Security minister Prof George Saitoti did not show traces of the killer gas but still no sample was given to the Government Chemist from the bodies of the other three people killed in the crash.
But strangely, the blood of the senior pilot who sat to the right of Oyugi in the ill-fated flight did not show this kind of poisoning and yet they were in close quarters.
It was not immediately clear why samples were taken from three crash victims only.
An expert dropped the startling and puzzling revelation at the commission of inquiry probing the crash that claimed the lives of Saitoti, his assistant minister Orwa Ojode, as well as two police pilots and two bodyguards.
The team led by Justice Kalpana Rawal heard Captain Luke Oyugi had highly toxic levels of carbon monoxide he could have inhaled during the ill-fated flight or before that.
Assistant Government Chemist Mrs Joyce Wairimu Njoya testified toxicological tests done on Oyugi’s blood sample indicated 68.6% carbon monoxide poisoning, a level that would normally kill a victim since it was way above tolerable limits.
It is not clear whether Oyugi fell unconscious moments into the flight as a result of the excessive poisoning of his blood or was disoriented by the high concentrations of the toxic gas in his system. Alternatively, the deadly poisoning could also have occurred before he boarded the plane that morning.
Toxicological analysis of senior pilot Lucy Gituanja’s blood sample indicated no carbon monoxide toxicity, despite being closest to Oyugi in the plane.
Saitoti was in the back seat.
The discrepancy in blood contamination sparked questions and concern from lawyers representing the crash victims, especially that of the Saitoti family.
Carbon monoxide is emitted when a fire burns in an enclosed place with limited oxygen and inhaling it prevents red blood cells from picking oxygen and feeding the cells. “The toxicological tests conducted on June 12 indicated that Oyugi’s blood was significantly poisoned by carbon monoxide. I would not be in a position to know under what circumstances the poisoning happened,” said Njoyawww.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067430&story_title=Puzzle-of-poisonous-gas-in-Saitoti-crash
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 4, 2012 22:53:41 GMT 3
SHOCKING !! ERROR ADMISSION BY CHIEF INSPECTOR MOSES MWANGI! WHY THE HELL DID HE WITHHOLD FATAL LEVELS OF CARBON MONXIDE POISONING TESTS FOUND IN THE VICTIMS BLOOD A police investigator probing the helicopter crash that killed Internal Security Minister George Saitoti and five others in June admitted making mistakes during investigation. While testifying at the Commission of Inquiry, Chief Inspector Moses Mwangi, the Divisional Criminal Investigation Officer in Kajiado North, said he did not realise that the co-pilot had fatal levels of carbon monoxide poisoning in his blood. This is despite receiving toxicological tests several weeks after the crash from the Government Chemist. Under cross-examination from lawyer Fred Ngatia for Saitoti family, Mr Mwangi said his approach to the case would have changed if he knew earlier about the poisoning. Ngatia: When you were taking the samples from the crash scene for testing, in your mind, it was that the six persons had died due to an accident. You did not think of anything else, did you? Mwangi: Yes! Ngatia: Because you didn’t understand the lab results, you didn’t take any action. Is that correct? Mwangi: Yes! Ngatia: What was the purpose of sending the samples to the Government Chemist for analysis if the report would just be kept in a file? We cannot blame the Government pathologist for not having taken action on information he didn’t have. On Wednesday, the pathologist admitted that he could have reached different conclusions about the cause of death of the crew of the ill-fated plane if he had seen the toxicological report from the Government Chemist. But Mwangi said the pathologist had already handed over his report to him before receiving the toxicological report. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067648&story_title=Cop-admits-errors-in-Saitoti-probeSEEMS THE CRASH IS TURNING OUT TO BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO.. FATAL LEVELS OF CARBON MONXIDE POISONING TESTS FOUND IN THE VICTIMS BLOOD? The family of the late Internal Security minister George Saitoti has expressed doubts over the accuracy of laboratory results of tests conducted on the crash victims by the Government chemist.www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067581&story_title=Saitoti-family-casts-doubt-over-pilots%E2%80%99-tests
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 23, 2012 23:52:16 GMT 3
She said the post-mortem examination was done at the Lee Funeral Home in Nairobi at the request of the CID. “I pointed out that we had information we should have captured which was not,” Dr Njeru said. “The key features that were not documented was the presence of the reddish discolouration of the internal organs, which in forensic terminology, is referred to as cherry pink,” Dr Njeru said, adding that the final description of victims’ injuries was “brief” and the “degree of their burns also not quantified.” She said the photographs from the scene of the accident and the ones taken during the post-mortem showed the characteristic bright red discolouration, indicating a high concentration of poisonous gas. She said an internal examination of the bodies of Thomas Murimi, Luke Oyugi and Nancy Gituanja also showed the presence of soot in their respiratory systems and was also not entered in the final report. She said the ministers also had soot in their systems. “Honourable Ojode’s body had a discoloration around the knee and on the left lower limb. We did not document the cherry red in our report,” she said. She said a close examination of Prof Saitoti’s body showed a bright red discolouration on the right thigh while his bodyguard, Mr Joshua Tonkei, had it on the forehead and left knee. “The presence of the cherry red appearance indicated they had concentration levels exceeding 30 per cent,” said Dr Njeru. She explained that toxic exposure may lead to mental incapacitation, confusion and convulsions that may result in a pilot losing control of an aircraft. She said the gas may have been a result of a fire in confined space. Asked why the team failed to produce a more conclusive report on the cause of deaths, she said several problems affected their work, ranging from lack of equipment, adequate room and time to consult with other experts. www.nation.co.ke/News/Saitoti+may+have+died+before+copter+crash/-/1056/1593654/-/10hso7wz/-/index.htmlTHE TRUTH IS TRICKLING OUT!! WAS IT MURDER OR ACCIDENT.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 24, 2012 0:13:57 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Oct 24, 2012 8:38:37 GMT 3
Its not the kind of poisoning you are imagining. It's that associated with inhaling toxic fumes, which most likely came from the burning copter.
I think that the most important thing to investigate is the cause of fire in the copter
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 24, 2012 22:48:03 GMT 3
Its not the kind of poisoning you are imagining. It's that associated with inhaling toxic fumes, which most likely came from the burning copter. I think that the most important thing to investigate is the cause of fire in the copter Mzee yup I get you.. but it might be impossible? lets wait and see...
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