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Post by destiny on Jul 6, 2012 10:26:16 GMT 3
Why does the media keep referring to the three suspects as "KIKUYU MUSICIANS" instead of just "musicians?" What next if this trend is not checked? Kamba pickpockets? Mijikenda seditious writers? Luo poets? Nubian drivers? Rendile bloggers...... Puh..Liz!
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 6, 2012 13:29:09 GMT 3
job,
As Kibunja finally moves to action, one thing is certain. Those guys are not engaging in any of that hateful rubbish of theirs any time soon. That is called deterrent. They may just discover that "art" is not limited to hateful nonsense and move on to use their talent talking to Kenyans about other things.
I also find it curious that the lawyers want the cases to be suspended until after The Hague trials. Are they nuts? They really think the cases can be suspended for may be five years. Get real. And what makes hearing of these cases before the forthcoming Hague trials prejudicial in any manner to anybody? I bet you that request has more to do with the "Hague Bound" than the Kibunja Three.
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Post by destiny on Jul 6, 2012 15:32:37 GMT 3
“If you knew that Hague is being pushed to you by an uncircumcised man who wants you to be hanged so that you leave your wife for him to enjoy with; while he sees you in trouble.”..
These vile tribalists are so blinded by hate that they actually unwittingly insult Uhuru's wife as the above translation shows which imply that she's a loose woman to be "enjoyed" with as if she's some toy! That bile is actually more offending to THE BOSS than the childish matusi aimed at Raila. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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Post by mzee on Jul 6, 2012 15:38:44 GMT 3
But again, Uhuru thought they were insulting Raila on his behalf. So the BOSS wont see it your way. You saw how he was dancing to the music.
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Post by okolowaka on Jul 6, 2012 16:51:23 GMT 3
...one thing I know... If I was the ICC prosecution this right here is an opportunity to paint a clearer picture to the trial judges who "The Boss" is....and how easy it was/is to socialize or incite one ethnic group against another... Exactly how we got to the Hague....
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Post by Fahari on Jul 7, 2012 6:22:10 GMT 3
My position on the debate on freedom of expression vs the muzzling of artistic expression is yet to crystallize. I have been a firm believer in the freedom of expression however irritating but when i came across a piece like this, posted on another thread I was horrified.......
Abuse is not funny regardless of who is on the receiving end. If it was a woman who had suffered such gross abuse our resident gender activists would have been up in arms
Now the question here i: Is this art or would it fall under hate speech?
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Post by einstein on Jul 7, 2012 7:24:02 GMT 3
My position on the debate on freedom of expression vs the muzzling of artistic expression is yet to crystallize. I have been a firm believer in the freedom of expression however irritating but when i came across a piece like this, posted on another thread I was horrified....... Abuse is not funny regardless of who is on the receiving end. If it was a woman who had suffered such gross abuse our resident gender activists would have been up in arms Now the question here i: Is this art or would it fall under hate speech? Fahari,You have been all along cheering Jakaswanga on on this (mission) issue. Now deal with this case on your own and spare us unnecessary questions!! If you deem the episode hate-speech, then please be brave enough like some folks have been on this board and report it to the relevant authorities. We can only discuss so much on this board! Yeah, what goes around comes around. Did the wise people not say so? What is the big deal now? Is this not creative art anymore?You folks can go rot in hell with your hatred disguised as creative art!! You do not need our opinions anymore, do you? In case you do, please take your time and read this thread backwards and therein lie our opinions. What cheek!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 7, 2012 18:24:24 GMT 3
My position on the debate on freedom of expression vs the muzzling of artistic expression is yet to crystallize. I have been a firm believer in the freedom of expression however irritating but when i came across a piece like this, posted on another thread I was horrified....... Abuse is not funny regardless of who is on the receiving end. If it was a woman who had suffered such gross abuse our resident gender activists would have been up in arms Now the question here i: Is this art or would it fall under hate speech? Fahari, I am afraid we have to ignore my brother Einstein, and proceed with answering the question you have posed. This borderline is currently holding the attention of the nation in court, where gikuyu benga musicians are being used as an example to terrify others. Deterrence yes, like when Idi Amin allegedly pulled out the tongue of another poet and sent it to Okot p'Bitek: one more word against me, and you will be singing no more like him! thank you! Take a look at your fellow citizens. Well-dressed, likely middle and upper cs, and have paid to be entertained in this manner. From the way they laugh, react and recognize, I will say this stand-up is good. And this guys and dames in the audience are getting value for their money. This is a popular art form so 'value for money' is a pillar, since satisfaction not guaranteed, entry wont be paid, 'n artist starves. Here is a Kenyan artists having a successful night in his line of business. And the unity of performer and audience is a certification. The audience which I surmise is cross-cultural, mixy-mixy, is emmensely enjoying themselves. Fahari this is art: you start thinking people who make others laugh should be curtailed, then you know you no longer human. And this is not the haughty, emotionally disconnected laughter of jeer, --the one found in a lynching mob spectator. But then, if you would have an idea of what COMEDY NIGHTS look like in our respective languages! what stand-up comedians serve, when they hit the button b6k calls the OTHER!you would definitely faint if you think this is extreme!Across the nation, wherever people celebrate their cultures in their own languages which still have an oral bend, word-smiths like linguists, comedians, musicians, preachers, are busy poking the middle finger at Kibunja every second of the day. What do you think a gikuyu all night comedy before an all gikuyu audience looks like? Well, it looks like the all Luo comedy night, Joluo kendgi'! where ream after peal after ream of laughter is shed at the expense of [eg] 'jamwa' ma raywom'! But here is the song being parodied. Including the dance from a 'shaker'! It is a praise song for a friend and his friends who like this music, but the title is the cheekily offhand 'kanungo e teko' --the waisteline is the strength! And now take a look at how the devilish comedian has combined this with 'Nyeri women beat their men' to generate all that laughter. I do not know how old this clip is. But if it is new, then the staff of this comedian have been researching the 'ethnic scene'! It was a Luo comedian performing before a Luo audience who first ventured here, when nyar Nyeri, Lucy Kibaki, was reported to have beat someone. Could be Gitobu Imanyara, could be Materi the first Ikulu comptroller, could be Kibaki himself! ;D There was a time under Moi-KANU, when a law on public safety stipulated a gathering of five or more without a permit an illegal assembly. Now most Kenyan households sitting to dinner, already passed that threshold. But the joke went further. The drafters had forgotten to put detailed footnotes, the excepts. Like a market place, a classroom and the many other gatherings Kenyans do in their normal lives. The public and their rulers understood immediately: this was ONLY meant as a method of taxation. Local authorities given an instrument to collect pocket-money. So I think as Kibunja sets in place a stassi bureau --former East German secret police that tried to sniff everything the people said-- to monitor what hateful things Kenyans spew out in their daily activities, we will understand it is another 'employment' racket. For that will be a lot of spies, given not many can rat on their mates and pass it for patriotic duty. (A Judas, must just get his cut of the shilling.)
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 7, 2012 19:02:26 GMT 3
Interesting to find Jakoyo Midiwo as a main character in such a video.
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Post by mugabe on Jul 7, 2012 19:07:31 GMT 3
My position on the debate on freedom of expression vs the muzzling of artistic expression is yet to crystallize. I have been a firm believer in the freedom of expression however irritating but when i came across a piece like this, posted on another thread I was horrified....... Abuse is not funny regardless of who is on the receiving end. If it was a woman who had suffered such gross abuse our resident gender activists would have been up in arms Now the question here i: Is this art or would it fall under hate speech? Fahari,You have been all along cheering Jakaswanga on on this (mission) issue. Now deal with this case on your own and spare us unnecessary questions!! If you deem the episode hate-speech, then please be brave enough like some folks have been on this board and report it to the relevant authorities. We can only discuss so much on this board! Yeah, what goes around comes around. Did the wise people not say so? What is the big deal now? Is this not creative art anymore?You folks can go rot in hell with your hatred disguised as creative art!! You do not need our opinions anymore, do you? In case you do, please take your time and read this thread backwards and therein lie our opinions. What cheek! Einstein. ;D So true. Jakaswanga will be talking of freedom of expression long after we live in refugee camps in other countries. Basically the guy is not advancing any serious arguments merely advancing pedestrian arguments with a little goldust of quotes and metaphors here and there. Kenyans will not destro themselves at the altar of artistic freedom and no amount of hackneyed anaysis and mutahi Ngunyi type of analysis thrown into the mix will fool anyone here.
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Post by mugabe on Jul 7, 2012 19:10:50 GMT 3
By the way, Jakaswanga comparing the NCIC to the STASI in East Germany is beyond pathetic. Basically it shows you as a master of hyperbole and nothing else. Keep putting lipstick on the pig it still remains a pig!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 7, 2012 21:00:03 GMT 3
By the way, Jakaswanga comparing the NCIC to the STASI in East Germany is beyond pathetic. Basically it shows you as a master of hyperbole and nothing else. Keep putting lipstick on the pig it still remains a pig! RM, I am sorry you got ensnared in the hyperbole, where now your mind flutters like the wings of some insect freshly caught in wax. But it is the curse of the teaching profession to dispel ignorance and misunderstandings, like now you, our poor number one citizen of the banana republic of Zimbabue, finds himself drowning in. So take this free lecture, comrade Robert, very happily penned because I just watched Ser ena Williams win Wimbledon for the fifth time to match her sister Venus. I know she was playing a blonde and gentlemen do prefer blondes, but I am a thug, and I prefer them dark, and huge like that american all black! Blessed be the black butt! Eh-men! ..But... Nop, Kenyans are and will destroy themselves at the altar of corruption, electoral malpractices, and to come, the consequences of the katiba mutilation and constitutional reform derailments. That is the self-destruct button you should be watching. Also, that is the one you should take to the bank as told futures! Before you criticize a prophet, dear boy, read your scriptures. Otherwise just denounce him without pretending to have understood him. You haven't! But, come to think of it, you have a right to hatefully denounce a prophet before you understand him. Just like you have the right to denounce Miguna's book before you have read it! (this right reserved for Kenyans only!) So, In other words, the political and legal super-structure or infrastructure is not modernising itself enough to be able to peacefully mediate [that is resolve] the material conflicts, diametric antagonisms, that are escalating below the surface.An example I gave before: without an economic package to absorb the excess labour of the young restive underclass of urban areas, it will be impossible to police Nairobi --for example, without shoot to kill and police death squads. The system simply gets overwhelmed and goes rogue, as is the historical case elsewhere.Now stassi: how many bars and social joints are there in Kenya where every three days a week the Kibunja-certified hate speeches will be publicly going on in the local lingos? If you take your Kibunja seriously, you need a nation-wide spy network to eavesdrop on your whole population at their places of leisure, and catch the culprits. Or you need to turn ordinary Kenyans into Judases against their own folk. Very stassi.Pathetic you said? ah, you had not thought of the next step in law enforcement. The infrastructure! Otherwise NCIC are on to tokenism. A few chance musicians arrested here and there. The intelligence services are bogged down with al-shabab I presume. 2. Have you ever been to evangelical preachings and heard what they say about homosexuality? and ran it through the Kibunja standard? Not to mention what evangelical public radio preachers say on the same? No fuss, coz they know Kibunja is bullshit! Ha, Kibunja is a waste of money. But in corrupt Kenya, that is not a sin! it is singing about it in parables which is the sin!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 8, 2012 10:26:28 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
I too, am a big fan of Serena Williams who as you know, is active in supporting some philanthropic initiatives in Kenya.
Can you refrain from looking at this superb athlete as if she was so many kilos of raw meat?
For someone who is evidently endowed with ample brains it is unfortunate to read these crude sexist stereotypes flowing from your keyboard.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 8, 2012 14:11:42 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:I too, am a big fan of Serena Williams who as you know, is active in supporting some philanthropic initiatives in Kenya. Can you refrain from looking at this superb athlete as if she was so many kilos of raw meat? For someone who is evidently endowed with ample brains it is unfortunate to read these crude sexist stereotypes flowing from your keyboard. Onyango Oloo Sorry Oloo, this is what we call a spill-over. There are other blogs where we argue this stuff. The 'racist' whites disparage Serena is a steroid upped black monster of raw power ruining the dominance of caucasian elegance in tennis! The hottentot venus with gorilla strength.
We 'racist' blacks rebut No, and wax ever lyrical about every aspect of her beauty, heavenly proportionality, grace in motion and killer-eyes. A godess enthralling us with hitherto unknown shots in the once tame tennis of boring caucasian skeletons! These adults-only interracial beauty-standard wars, must not be for Jukwaa of course --so my apologies. Here I should restrict myself to highlighting her devastating forehand, delicate backhand, thunderous smash, invicible serve returns, and the 120+ aces which surpassed the achievements of the great Pete Sampras! Yes I am a crude thug with enough insight to know it! I am working on it some, but women like Serena just wipe my brains off, totally. I dont think there is much I can do about it, except do it elsewhere (the hot fan blogs, and not Jukwaa)! Sawa. But Akinyi says the girl is actually Adhiambo nyar Suba! (Eh, yawa, we awe wach ka pok iriemba ka! nikech mano to koro en aena wend Adhiambo sianda nyaka kiny! )
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Post by roughrider on Jul 8, 2012 15:30:23 GMT 3
These Kikuyu musicians were thinking with their dicks. That is the sum total of how they propose to rule Kenya, as a circumcised tribe. But I am surprised that the Kikuyu elite remain largely clueless about what is in their best interests: in short, it is the Kikuyu, more than anybody else, who will benefit from an ideology of national unity and a de-emphasis of tribal superiority and hegemony.
Art can be deployed for both positive and negative purposes. Art can be used to inspire and develop society for the greater good, but art can also be in propagation of crime and immorality. A brief review of history should bear me out.
When I travel around Mt Kenya, I encounter hordes of circumcised zombies who despite walking around with carved genitalia, are disturbingly sexless. In their drunken stupor, they cannot rise to the occasion and impregnate their young wives, or even clean themselves of bodily filth. Is it any wonder that Luhyia and Luo men continue to marry Kikuyu girls in droves? Yet these same jigger-infested drunkards trumpet their circumcision as if it is the very essence of life. What terrible ignorance!
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 8, 2012 17:21:18 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:I too, am a big fan of Serena Williams who as you know, is active in supporting some philanthropic initiatives in Kenya. Can you refrain from looking at this superb athlete as if she was so many kilos of raw meat? For someone who is evidently endowed with ample brains it is unfortunate to read these crude sexist stereotypes flowing from your keyboard. Onyango Oloo And here I was thinking this thread was about hate music. Anyway, I too am a big fan of her big .... sorry, I've forgotten what I wanted to write. Never mind. Jakaswanga: Don't be crude. Next time find an angle that connects it to art of something. Call it "poetry in motion" or something like that.
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Post by b6k on Jul 8, 2012 18:13:41 GMT 3
These Kikuyu musicians were thinking with their dicks. That is the sum total of how they propose to rule Kenya, as a circumcised tribe. But I am surprised that the Kikuyu elite remain largely clueless about what is in their best interests: in short, it is the Kikuyu, more than anybody else, who will benefit from an ideology of national unity and a de-emphasis of tribal superiority and hegemony. Art can be deployed for both positive and negative purposes. Art can be used to inspire and develop society for the greater good, but art can also be in propagation of crime and immorality. A brief review of history should bear me out. When I travel around Mt Kenya, I encounter hordes of circumcised zombies who despite walking around with carved genitalia, are disturbingly sexless. In their drunken stupor, they cannot rise to the occasion and impregnate their young wives, or even clean themselves of bodily filth. Is it any wonder that Luhyia and Luo men continue to marry Kikuyu girls in droves? Yet these same jigger-infested drunkards trumpet their circumcision as if it is the very essence of life. What terrible ignorance!To the blogger formerly known as RR, if a certain moderator is fair on this board then expect a ton of bricks coming down on you for that misogynistic jibe, flavoured with a heavy dose of hate speech
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Post by tnk on Jul 8, 2012 19:13:58 GMT 3
These Kikuyu musicians were thinking with their dicks. That is the sum total of how they propose to rule Kenya, as a circumcised tribe. But I am surprised that the Kikuyu elite remain largely clueless about what is in their best interests: in short, it is the Kikuyu, more than anybody else, who will benefit from an ideology of national unity and a de-emphasis of tribal superiority and hegemony. Art can be deployed for both positive and negative purposes. Art can be used to inspire and develop society for the greater good, but art can also be in propagation of crime and immorality. A brief review of history should bear me out. When I travel around Mt Kenya, I encounter hordes of circumcised zombies who despite walking around with carved genitalia, are disturbingly sexless. In their drunken stupor, they cannot rise to the occasion and impregnate their young wives, or even clean themselves of bodily filth. Is it any wonder that Luhyia and Luo men continue to marry Kikuyu girls in droves? Yet these same jigger-infested drunkards trumpet their circumcision as if it is the very essence of life. What terrible ignorance!To the blogger formerly known as RR, if a certain moderator is fair on this board then expect a ton of bricks coming down on you for that misogynistic jibe, flavoured with a heavy dose of hate speech ironic that the bulk of this thread is about defending the right of the musician to express themselves through offending lyrics, but you appear to suggest that rr's "poetic script or prose" (in its "artistic" form) be suppressed. anyway will be back to speak on this subject in a little bit
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Post by b6k on Jul 8, 2012 20:07:50 GMT 3
To the blogger formerly known as RR, if a certain moderator is fair on this board then expect a ton of bricks coming down on you for that misogynistic jibe, flavoured with a heavy dose of hate speech ironic that the bulk of this thread is about defending the right of the musician to express themselves through offending lyrics, but you appear to suggest that rr's "poetic script or prose" (in its "artistic" form) be suppressed. anyway will be back to speak on this subject in a little bit TNK, possibly. However my position on this thread has always supported censorship since, as RR deftly proves, most "artists" aren't creative enough to come with subtle works that will not even raise the censors suspicions in the first place. Does RR's dalliance into hate speech right any wrongs the UK minstrels had put out there? I think not. He actually perpetuates it. As he has done this on Jukwaa I recall a time I made a similar comment, though put it a lot milder than that & a moderator instantly lashed out at your's truly. Unlike many on this board who have the habit of emailing, SMSing, or calling OO when someone "goes overboard" I feel comfortable enough to post within the thread without hiding behind the administrator . In that respect my bit is very much in the spirit of this thread.
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Post by tnk on Jul 8, 2012 20:34:17 GMT 3
b6k
thanks for that input, very candid and i say that i want to agree with you but not at the same level. will contribute to this in tranches so as to not make a very long single post (much easier to read)
first let me say that jakaswanga has probably contributed the most on this thread and so in some way i will address most of what he says here, but not directly
this thread, despite the relatively voluminous number of responses captures just about a handful of core issues
a) that the lyrical content of music can be inflammatory - leading to severe consequences (this is pointed out by otishotish when he cites the parallel predicament Sang faces at the ICC today)
b) that the option or notion of light to heavy govt censorship appears necessary as advocated by some members and its the direction the NCIC has taken considering our fragile history and the horrific events of not too recent past
c) there are those voicing concern that although the danger exists, govt censorship might not be the correct approach and caution is advised (this is mank's contribution right at the start of the thread) and a few others
d) that the artist has fundamental rights and freedoms that should not be surpressed otherwise it will kill the creative artistic qualities that so much endear artists to their unique audiences, killing of careers etc. this is the gist of jakaswanga's inputs. somewhere embedded in the arguments are snippets where artists through their creativity address societal problems/issues and articulate otherwise suppressed public emotions they may or may not share within their respective communities including fighting for freedom and rights
of course one item that constantly rears its head is the question of where do you draw the line.
i think its furaha that draws the line where abuse as in the video clip from whoever that stand-up is on the nyeri man/women
interestingly from the video clip and that line of humor he uses there are two very interesting observations (a) not everyone laughs out heartily, although the videographer captures a lot of hearty faces, but as the camera zips past you can see a lot of uncomfortable people, some even cringing and looking away, quite disturbed. (keep your finger on this point, will come back to it)
b) the second observation is really in the form of a question, when the stand-up comedian makes the crack "iyo uso ime s'onwa kama gunia ya viazi" and the crowd goes delirious. whom are what are they laughing at? is it the poor victim, is it the domestic assault, is it the fact his face is badly stitched or is it at the poor workmanship of the tailor er..... no i mean the "esteemed surgeon" that performed "the shoddy job". think about it. sure humor is about a good laugh. just wondering who the butt of the joke really is?
anyway that kind of summarizes what i've read or understood to be the gist of the thread. of course am open to any specific nuances/alternate themes that i may have inadvertently missed. however let me proceed to the second part
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Post by tnk on Jul 8, 2012 20:48:26 GMT 3
this second part addresses the other issue raised by such as einstein, i think merlin and a few others in doing this i want to also pose a question particularly to those rooting for the unbridled freedom of right for the "artist" to express themselves so clearly we want the artist to be protected and not infringe on their rights of free and creative expression, but ..... and this is the difference in my view between, a happy go lucky academic discussion vs the real intricacies of public administration, and law and order in society the govt must listen fairly to all concerned (stakeholders is an often overused term) in this case we need consider the "artist" or producer, their intended as well as accidental/incidental audience, and the appropriate arms of govt (media, entertainment, security, PA etc) that may deal with any incidental outcome specifically am asking what about a) the rights of the target as well as the unintended target audience? don't they also have a right to "refuse being force-fed" material they do not want to hear? just as the artist can creatively express themselves, cannot the audience have a choice not to be forced to listen? and this is not about switching on or of a radio. it goes much deeper as i will explain further below b) how about those charged with enforcing law. everyone knows crime prevention is far much more effective than punishment of the criminal, because prevention saves lives, properties etc, criminal punishment is always after the fact, with usually a body or two or a thousand, 6 feet under, much anguish, property loss etc. so what options do we accord them in order to prevent crimes being commited as a result of unfortunate or more specifically a reckless display of "creative art" as its being called? this is what i believe folks like einstein are talking about and i must say this is where i belong .... moving on to the 3rd and final part
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Post by topnotch on Jul 8, 2012 21:13:40 GMT 3
Who IS an artis(e)?
Does that newspaper writer using his pen to promote ethnic hate also allowed to plead artistic licence? How about cretins like Mike Sonko speaking incendiary words at rallies... Can't they too say they are simply being artistic? At the risk of cheapening what makes an artiste, I'd urge the proponents of 'artistic freedom' not to take themselves too seriously. Hate speech is just that. And artistic freedom is not an excuse to engage in idiocy.
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Post by tnk on Jul 8, 2012 21:17:31 GMT 3
i dont think the problem is that complex
however i agree that the NCIC appears incompetent to handle not only this issue but a few others, but however their incomptence does not mean or is not a licence to do away with any effort to pursue the right options
my take is that
every individual on earth starts off with total and complete freedom to do anything they want to do and have every right to do as they please
however the moment that individual enters into the operating space of another individual whether its person or entity, (or put another way another individual/entity enters your space) then immediately new rules of engagement must come into play especially if both must continue to survive "peacefully" whether side by side or what not. its a fact of life otherwise one will choke the other. there are those who will be tempted here to lurch into philosophy ... symbiotic relationships, parastic and what not. i'll spare you that. (note here that entity/institution could be anything such as cat, dog, jungle, desert, spouse, child, parent, country, plot, neighbourhood, religion, jail, justice department, law enforcement, etc, all of the above ... you name it)
the laws and making laws of the land is therefore about finding "best workable/working fits" and not necessarily although desirable "ideal environments" for all concerned. in almost all cases, an entity may give up one set of freedoms either partially or entirely and/or gain or in exchange for another set of partial or full freedoms.
to cut to the chase. this as i said is not complex, but however there is a subtle deceit in those advocating for zero censorship. because whereas they are asking no restrictions (read no interference) from state agencies, they on the other hand are not allowing the audience the same opportunity (freedom of choice). to quote a biblical parable, where a servant is forgiven 10000 some currency but will not forgive a colleague 100 of the same currency - figuratively speaking
what agencies such as the NCIC, and the "entertainment (word is used loosely here) industry" should be working towards is allowing the key player here i.e the AUDIENCE (consumer). the freedom of choice, that to me is as big (or even bigger) a right as that of producer.
the film/movie industry has ratings G, PG, PG13, R, MA etc - i.e anyone going into that avenue is not going in blind. they can query the rating and choose whether to go in, go in alone, go with another person (double trouble), take minors along, or stay as far away as possible
so once one knows the lyrical content (please note: NOT just the genre) of the music, then one can choose whether its worth killing your ear drums or not. in fact if that had been observed, the origin of this discussion (the conscientious individual who was force fed the music) would never have heard it, many others would not, and only the few bigots, researchers, chauvinists and what nots would be enjoying their trashy orgies in their private abodes and none the wiser. fact is once forewarned, then any resultant action becomes the individual responsibility with less emphasis on the producer of the piece of art or trash
and there are already definitions for these aberations of these so called artistic talent such as sick/vulgar humor, etc etc
so for instance can be invited to a music festival rated xenophobic (this event will promote ethnic hegemony and our superior cultural strength) etc
of course there should be appropriate and acceptable guidelines
nevertheless while on that topic, has anyone ever looked at the definitions and similarities or otherwise between
patriot, xenophobe, bigot, chauvinist, sycophant etc and seen how thin a line that can actually be? in other words its so easy for one of these to masquerade as another
am outta here
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Post by b6k on Jul 8, 2012 21:33:11 GMT 3
TNK,
Well penned. As I heard on a BBC (Radio 4) program yesterday which ties in well with your second installment section (b), "better habeas corpus, than thousands of corpses".
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Post by tnk on Jul 8, 2012 22:05:18 GMT 3
b6k
thanks for the kind words and reading. i had really hoped to make this short and so there is a last bit i need to close with, but will do that later tonight
incidentally i wanted to laugh at the comical irony, so somewhere back there on this thread, there is a clip where the TNA head honcho, dancing and singing away to one of these songs that have rather disparaging remarks about the luo community. then several weeks later he introduces one of his party managers (yes the controversial Onyango Oloo) from this same community. so is this guy different? was he inspected over there and found fit? or what exactly happened?
so just like the audience in that "kus'onwa show" i want to start laughing but i dont know who to laugh at, do i laugh at bw. oloo for being in this outfit that has already described him so, do i laugh at the audacity of TNA, do i laugh at the "artist", crowd or what. can someone help i need to laugh at something ....... otherwise am going to start bawling ....... and then miguna will have to write a new book "feeling the marks" and i much prefer we get to read the one we've been waiting for first
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