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Post by wilsonle on Jun 27, 2012 13:32:53 GMT 3
Its obvious nobody can satisfy everybody, moreso when you are a leader. Kibaki has done some memorable things, some good Tafadhali, weka list hapa hapa. otishotisho, to help him respond to you, lemmi give you just some few insights 1.Economy growth 2.freedom of expression(that allows Jukwaa to exist) 3.Super highways 4.Free Education 5.More University enrollment 6.Stable food security 7.New constitution naghatharika need more man?
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 27, 2012 13:35:49 GMT 3
KUdos Baba Jimmy!! Yesterday. he did Kenyans proud by taming the parliamentarians selfishness. while he also took issue with the degree requirement for legislatures,- something i also don't think it makes sense, i must commend him for the memorandum he timely wrote to August house men and women Unlike the past where he has always taken his time to make his decisions, the nation must pass a toast of celebration to president Emilio for making such nick-time decision. Jaramogi Jnr and Son of Tseikuru should also be congratulated for condemning MP's selfish act and Prevailing Upon President Kibaki. Bravo Father of Nation! Unlike you, Kibaki is privy to intelligence reports from all over Kenya and he must have been shocked by the message he got from the ground. Even MPs attempted to undo the damage a little too late! If there is anyone who has made nonsense of multiparty democracy, it is one Mwai Kibaki. He is solely responsible for poaching KANU members into cabinet in his first term and actually killing the official opposition, a critical aspect of democracy that has since ceased to exist in Kenya. Uhuru Kenyatta then made history by crossing the floor abandoning his position and supporting the incumbent. Even in his own re-election, Mwai Kibaki happens to have put together a loose coalition of parties to campaing for his re-election. It was pathetic and sad to see a whole head of state who was elected by a landslide in 2003 visiting the NDC's of various parties in 2007 seeking to convince members of competing parties to support him in a party he formed at the last minute rather than those parties fielding their own candidates for president. By rejecting this bill, Mwai Kibaki merely is dancing to the wishes of the majority for he knows too well what it means to force to Kenyans what they do not want. He tried it in 2005 referendum and failed. He tried in 2007 and failed. Recently, he even made illegal judicial appointments and was left with egg on his face. Multiparty democracy has a meaning that Mwai Kibaki seem not to understand - 20 years since Kenya reverted to it. Mr. Wilson: Kindly spare us the hogwash. phil, apart from baseless and venom like hatred that u have for Emilio Prs, don't you know xof anything positive that obako has done? seriously you need help check out here jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=7103&page=2#100521
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 27, 2012 13:38:56 GMT 3
Let us put stealing of votes behind us for now (although it’s not easy to see how kibaki clinched the victory after winning in just 2 provinces out of a total 8) and judge the old man on more important issue like the economy. Well, many have argued that putting the economy in the growth path is the greatest legacy he leaves behind but I beg to disagree. In fact I dare say that whoever succeeds Kibaki will face a gigantic task of putting the economy in the right path. Look no further than the 2012/13 1.45 trillion budget to figure out what I am talking about. To meet this budget it is expected that about 800 billion (just enough for re-current expenditure) will be raised from taxes with the deficit being met through borrowing. This in turn will see public debt swell to about 2 trillion in 2014. I am not an economist but I can imagine that if you run a business in that manner, you can close doors within 2/3 years. Therefore it isn’t quite clear where kibaki legacy hinges, perhaps opening up space for democracy? stinbin, thanks for taking the from towards the right direction. but i would be glad if you tell us why the next president will have a "gigantic task" in keeping up with the economy
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 27, 2012 15:34:17 GMT 3
Tafadhali, weka list hapa hapa. otishotisho, to help him respond to you, lemmi give you just some few insights 1.Economy growth 2.freedom of expression(that allows Jukwaa to exist) 3.Super highways 4.Free Education 5.More University enrollment 6.Stable food security 7.New constitution naghatharika need more man? Yes, I'm afraid I will need more: 1. Economic growth: happened despite Kibaki. 2. Freedom of expression: Kibaki himself is in fact the biggest beneficiary of people throwing out Moi. 3. Superhighways; he built one decent road towards his home, at enormous expense, while the country's main commercial arteries are in a deplorable state. 4. Free education: As I write this I am about to send home fees for several children in state schools. 5. More university enrollment: The number of fly-by-night universities allowed to operate in Kenya has certainly gone up. Meanwhile our state universities continues to go to the dogs. 6. Food security: Is this a joke? It is only a year ago that we were engaged in our usual begging after people died in a famine. We are already planning to beg for next year, and even Kibaki himself said last month that the country needs food security! 7. New constitution: forced down his throat. wilsonle's grade: - For effort, D- - Wilson needs to try harder and always do his homework - Could play better with others
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Post by stibin on Jun 27, 2012 16:42:35 GMT 3
Wilson, The next PORK must work harder to stop us from living beyond our means. If you consider the budget aspects I highlighted above you’ll note that almost the whole of country’s total revenue is spent on paying salaries and other public administration affairs including fighting al shabaab. Thus, there is almost nothing left for development and fighting widespread poverty . Let me also ask you this. How can you convince a person living on less than a $ per day (about kshs 84) there is meaningful economic growth? Mind you statistics show that 60% of folks live this way.
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 27, 2012 16:45:05 GMT 3
otishotisho, to help him respond to you, lemmi give you just some few insights 1.Economy growth 2.freedom of expression(that allows Jukwaa to exist) 3.Super highways 4.Free Education 5.More University enrollment 6.Stable food security 7.New constitution naghatharika need more man? Yes, I'm afraid I will need more: 1. Economic growth: happened despite Kibaki. 2. Freedom of expression: Kibaki himself is in fact the biggest beneficiary of people throwing out Moi. 3. Superhighways; he built one decent road towards his home, at enormous expense, while the country's main commercial arteries are in a deplorable state. 4. Free education: As I write this I am about to send home fees for several children in state schools. 5. More university enrollment: The number of fly-by-night universities allowed to operate in Kenya has certainly gone up. Meanwhile our state universities continues to go to the dogs. 6. Food security: Is this a joke? It is only a year ago that we were engaged in our usual begging after people died in a famine. We are already planning to beg for next year, and even Kibaki himself said last month that the country needs food security! 7. New constitution: forced down his throat. wilsonle's grade: - For effort, D- - Wilson needs to try harder and always do his homework - Could play better with others otishotish lemmi recommend you! i wont bother on the other hit and run points that you hade made but nitamake some little clarifications for you on 3 points. 1. superhighways not unless you never take adventures from your town, you should already that Kenya is the fastest growing country in africa in terms of road networks. 2. free education. do you recall former education minister instructing teachers not to carelessly send students home for alleged "school fees"? if i were u i wudnt go public on something banned. 3. economic growth did you check wwhat you had wrote first. haha. this is laughable. not unless you were born jana(26/6/12), you ashould know better about moi error
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 27, 2012 16:52:39 GMT 3
1. superhighways not unless you never take adventures from your town, you should already that Kenya is the fastest growing country in africa in terms of road networks. I think Gaitho has recently been trying to talk to you. Read carefully: The simple fact is that even allowing for that Nairobi-Thika “superhighway” we are all going gaga about, our roads are abysmal.www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 27, 2012 17:03:07 GMT 3
1. superhighways not unless you never take adventures from your town, you should already that Kenya is the fastest growing country in africa in terms of road networks. I think Gaitho has recently been trying to talk to you. Read carefully: The simple fact is that even allowing for that Nairobi-Thika “superhighway” we are all going gaga about, our roads are abysmal.www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.htmlotishotish, i have read it already but unlikee you, gaitho is journalists are born critics and thats where ther get there meal from. not unless you have similar dreams i dont see why you should argue on the same line. and to remind you, the minister for roads is my ODM friend Frankline bett!!! any one who thinks thika-road and other superhighways is a flop, mus be a flop himself. read me well!
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Post by mzee on Jun 27, 2012 17:04:41 GMT 3
Sometimes I wonder why the so called Thika "super" highway was constructed. Its actually a road to nowhere. Why could we put this money on a Mombasa - Nairobi super highway? Why not Nairobi - Busia? Moi biuld roads for cattle to rest on while Kibaki has biuld a costly road to nowhere.
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Post by cheshirecat on Jun 27, 2012 17:43:30 GMT 3
Sometimes I wonder why the so called Thika "super" highway was constructed. Its actually a road to nowhere. Why could we put this money on a Mombasa - Nairobi super highway? Why not Nairobi - Busia? Moi biuld roads for cattle to rest on while Kibaki has biuld a costly road to nowhere. hahahahahahaha. Really, what else is there to add to a comment like this? Your ability to judge Kibaki objectively is so compromised to the point of making ludicrous statements. On Kriegler, the reason why that report is not popular with people like you is because it raised a rather disturbing issue of electoral malpractices by BOTH parties as opposed to what you would rather have us believe. The truth, my brother, is that two opportunistic thieves contested and one 'out-stole' the other. An incase you are wondering am not a kibaki supporter. Have never ever voted for the man; even when we were being told 'tosha' in 2002. He is and has always been an opportunistic man re; Mugumo trees and razor blades Sadly so is the guy he ran against in 2007. With him, we parted ways after the 1997 election when he started singing Nyayo praise songs.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jun 27, 2012 18:36:16 GMT 3
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Post by joblesscorner on Jun 27, 2012 19:05:59 GMT 3
They are free Highways not Super Highways.
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 28, 2012 8:03:36 GMT 3
Sometimes I wonder why the so called Thika "super" highway was constructed. Its actually a road to nowhere. Why could we put this money on a Mombasa - Nairobi super highway? Why not Nairobi - Busia? Moi biuld roads for cattle to rest on while Kibaki has biuld a costly road to nowhere. mzee, i don't understand what you mean by "road to nowhere". If my memory serves me right, 1.Central kenya is the Highest Milk Producing Province 2. Eastern(Meru, Embu) is the Hub of Income generating Miraa 3. Mount Kenya is a Tourist attraction 4. Thika is one of the most industrialized county only after Jinja in Uganda. now tell me, apart from The good people of Busia, what else does the place has to offer? is it economical to build a superhighway or a dual lane highway would be enough for busia? and in regard to Mombasa Road plans are already underway to construct it
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Post by morimax on Jun 28, 2012 8:11:32 GMT 3
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 28, 2012 8:21:17 GMT 3
morimax, haha..thika sio kenya. come slowly morimax. why dwell more on a computer error when you fully understand what i mean? well its thika county
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Post by tnk on Jun 28, 2012 8:36:09 GMT 3
If my memory serves me right, 1.Central kenya is the Highest Milk Producing Province 2. Eastern(Meru, Embu) is the Hub of Income generating Miraa 3. Mount Kenya is a Tourist attraction 4. Thika is one of the most industrialized county only after Jinja in Uganda. we don't really care about your memory kindly provide the supporting stats
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 29, 2012 9:31:14 GMT 3
If my memory serves me right, 1.Central kenya is the Highest Milk Producing Province 2. Eastern(Meru, Embu) is the Hub of Income generating Miraa 3. Mount Kenya is a Tourist attraction 4. Thika is one of the most industrialized county only after Jinja in Uganda. we don't really care about your memory kindly provide the supporting stats tnk or tna?, 1. its a well known fact. 2. tell mi anywhere else in East africa where Miraa is produced. 3. Where were Prince williams and kate mildeton when he proposed to her. 4. if you ever went to school you should be knowing this simple fact.
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Post by b6k on Jun 29, 2012 10:54:04 GMT 3
we don't really care about your memory kindly provide the supporting stats tnk or tna?, 1. its a well known fact. 2. tell mi anywhere else in East africa where Miraa is produced. 3. Where were Prince williams and kate mildeton when he proposed to her. 4. if you ever went to school you should be knowing this simple fact. Wilson, On point number 3, The Prince & Kate borrowed a KAF chopper & he flew (he is a pilot in the RAF) the aircraft to their secluded cabin destination. They did not use the road to nowhere to get there....
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 29, 2012 11:42:06 GMT 3
tnk or tna?, 1. its a well known fact. 2. tell mi anywhere else in East africa where Miraa is produced. 3. Where were Prince williams and kate mildeton when he proposed to her. 4. if you ever went to school you should be knowing this simple fact. Wilson, On point number 3, The Prince & Kate borrowed a KAF chopper & he flew (he is a pilot in the RAF) the aircraft to their secluded cabin destination. They did not use the road to nowhere to get there.... b6kthanks for letting me know a well known fact. but if you bothered to read up there....you would have known that we were discussing about mt kenya being a tourist attraction. its obvious that many tourists use road networks to travel. and do you happen to remember why Queen elizabeth was when she learned of her rising to the throne?
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 29, 2012 15:32:45 GMT 3
I'm all for the road now that I know British royalty might use it once every 100 years. But one wonders how they managed before. Anyway, maybe the tolls collected on the super-highway, from rich visiting royalty, will be enough to fix other roads that are more important to Kenyans, e.g. Mombasa-Nairobi, Nairobi-Kisumu, etc.
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Post by wilsonle on Jun 29, 2012 16:09:22 GMT 3
I'm all for the road now that I know British royalty might use it once every 100 years. But one wonders how they managed before. Anyway, maybe the tolls collected on the super-highway, from rich visiting royalty, will be enough to fix other roads that are more important to Kenyans, e.g. Mombasa-Nairobi, Nairobi-Kisumu, etc. otishotishi think kibunja should have a round table meeting with you and discourage you from having such attitude. what makes you think people from Central,Eastern, North Eastern and Eastlands are not as important as people from Kisumu?impediment for nationalization of tribes
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 29, 2012 16:25:25 GMT 3
I'm all for the road now that I know British royalty might use it once every 100 years. But one wonders how they managed before. Anyway, maybe the tolls collected on the super-highway, from rich visiting royalty, will be enough to fix other roads that are more important to Kenyans, e.g. Mombasa-Nairobi, Nairobi-Kisumu, etc. otishotishi think kibunja should have a round table meeting with you and discourage you from having such attitude. what makes you think people from Central,Eastern, North Eastern and Eastlands are not as important as people from Kisumu?impediment for nationalization of tribes If you read carefully, you will notice the "etc." at the end what I wrote; that includes them. Being a country of equality, we must accept that all transportation routes are equally important; that is what is done all over the civilized world. Therefore, kazi iendelee. Super-highway to Mandera please.
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Post by wilsonle on Jul 2, 2012 15:50:05 GMT 3
otishotishi think kibunja should have a round table meeting with you and discourage you from having such attitude. what makes you think people from Central,Eastern, North Eastern and Eastlands are not as important as people from Kisumu?impediment for nationalization of tribes If you read carefully, you will notice the "etc." at the end what I wrote; that includes them. Being a country of equality, we must accept that all transportation routes are equally important; that is what is done all over the civilized world. Therefore, kazi iendelee. Super-highway to Mandera please. otishotish,you've heard about LAPPSET?
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Post by wilsonle on Jul 6, 2012 12:38:10 GMT 3
Wilson, The next PORK must work harder to stop us from living beyond our means. If you consider the budget aspects I highlighted above you’ll note that almost the whole of country’s total revenue is spent on paying salaries and other public administration affairs including fighting al shabaab. Thus, there is almost nothing left for development and fighting widespread poverty . Let me also ask you this. How can you convince a person living on less than a $ per day (about kshs 84) there is meaningful economic growth? Mind you statistics show that 60% of folks live this way. Stinbin, Which statistics are those? Kenyan?i doubt. Not unless your reference statistics are age old(AKA Moi era's) then am afraid your ignorant of some things. First of all, in Kenya, the WHO is quoted stating that the MDG's are well progressing here. more enrollment in school is obvious(perhaps your even a beneficiary), freedom of expression, new constitution.... ecetera... what more do you need
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Post by wilsonle on Jul 6, 2012 12:47:10 GMT 3
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