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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 27, 2012 21:51:02 GMT 3
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 1:38:10 GMT 3
This was frankly a tough interview for Ruto. The questions were plenty; answers laboured. Some questions obviously shocked and caught him off guard. Notice his parasympathetic nervous system switch off immediately a viewer asked what jobs (employment) Ruto has held outside KANU and government.
When I interview someone for a job and ask what kind of work experience they've previously acquired....the moment they start listing things like "I used to to sell pencils, eggs or chickens at the bus stage"...that's just a long version of the response "No previous work experience" (meaning - in need of basic work skills training).
In the struggling response, if I hear a slip like "By the way, I was also a hustler"....I get worried... a hustler could mean a conman/woman. Of course, the political mind in Ruto knows his target - the unemployed youth with whom such tales directly relate.
The career politician is also at pains to directly explain his arraignment in Hague. At least he makes it very clear his beef with Raila is that the latter didn't stick his neck out for Ruto and other ODM-accused (over PEV). I suspect he wanted more,including: Raila to make him DPM; Raila to force ODM to oppose ANY attempt at prosecuting PEV (Kiambaa)- a suicidal move; Raila to refuse signing the Sagana deal; etc etc...
Nevertheless Ruto downplays his charges - claiming that during the status conference, the OTP recently downgraded his involvement in PEV (and asked for more time to investigate). I'm not exactly sure whether Ruto understands the legal ramifications of that (downgrading) change in OTP strategy; which in fact makes it easier to secure a conviction against him.
Ruto's own characterization of the waning quality of leadership was also turned against him....the moment his role in land grabs, the maize scandal (which he denied ever existed, yet still placing 'blame' in the Ministry of special projects) and other misdeeds took center stage. Makali won't let him off the hook with his role in G-7; emerging dictatorship within URP; and the relentless "project"title.
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Post by tnk on Jun 28, 2012 2:04:46 GMT 3
job
also been listening to that interview, and was just marveling at how easily the man dodges or disposes questions even the most blatant lies come easy and believable
in fact, for most of those issues that i have no direct knowledge i even give the benefit of doubt
what got me is how he casually dismissed and glossed over the kiambaa incident.
what they need to know is that not all those victims died in that fire. there are those that miraculously escaped, and have quite a chilling story to tell and i've heard it first hand. eti kitchen fire, no evidence, yada yada.
the thing to take away from this interview and the other one from that clip of the prayer rallies, is that these two guys are very cunning, shrewd and know how to play or prey on people's minds
in a way - the victory in egypt translates to a run-off between uhuru and ruto with ruto emerging winner. the population would be left tongue tied, aka heads i win, tails you loose. now i wonder whether fate could be that cruel .......
i would just say that whereas as ruto claims he goes to bed and sleeps soundly, there are those who were never afforded such an opportunity and their lives cut short. there are also those that will never ever know peace and forever traumatized by those events.
the question that was posed by mutegi somewhere towards the end that went unanswered is "if he believes as he now states that its not raila or what not that sent him to the hague, etc. so how come the blame is on him, why him?"
his response, anybody's guess is as good as his. now that is not entirely truthful because he knows exactly who compiled the information and its not the KNCHR and what not. and he also knows why and how. and also why its impossible for him to get out of this mess because the state organs that compiled this information are in a bind.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 28, 2012 2:08:49 GMT 3
Nevertheless Ruto downplays his charges - claiming that during the status conference, the OTP recently downgraded his involvement in PEV (and asked for more time to investigate). I'm not exactly sure whether Ruto understands the legal ramifications of that (downgrading) change in OTP strategy; which in fact makes it easier to secure a conviction against him. I watched the proceedings, and there are four possibilities here: (i) Ruto thinks he can easily fool people, (ii) Ruto does not understand what is going on, (iii) Ruto wants to grasp at false hope, (iv) Ruto's lawyers have been lying to him. It is obvious that with Kosgey out of the equation, some things might change; there will, however, be no "downgrading". In particular, neither the OTP nor the judges suggested anything of the sort. Direct from the transcripts, here is what the OTP had to say: The counts that are pled in the DCC are the same, the facts are the same and the mode of liability remains the same. So thereʹs no alteration to the charges or the counts that weʹve already pled.
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all weʹre doing here is arguing that there is a possibility that a different form of liability could be could be used in this case and for that reason, when multiple legal characterisations are possible, then the Chamber must give notice of this fact to the parties and participants.My guess is that the OTP will re-characterize some of the facts, will most likely not change the modes of liability so far charged, but will add new modes of liability. In particular, it should not be assumed that Kosgey's absence is the only relevant matter here; there is also new evidence from ongoing investigations. Speaking of which ... at no point did the OTP ask for more time to investigate. What they said were: (a) their investigations have been going on since the Confirmation hearings, and they have hundreds of new material to disclose to the Defence; (b) they are still interviewing witnesses, and that needs to be taken into account during Disclosure. |
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 28, 2012 2:24:30 GMT 3
job what they need to know is that not all those victims died in that fire. there are those that miraculously escaped, and have quite a chilling story to tell and i've heard it first hand. eti kitchen fire, no evidence, yada yada. One of them is on this video by Maina Kiai: Even before you hear a word of what she has to say, the visual image alone will shock you. |
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Post by johns on Jun 28, 2012 2:30:34 GMT 3
A good interview if you ask me although he fudges a lot of stuff while explaining Jirongos contention and their parting of ways. Ruto was not clear why he is not what Jirongo say he is and he lost me with his myopic way of identifying quality in leadership. He did not have a clue or is blind to the need to have intergrity as a basis of leadership and he knew that would disqualify him, so he played fool.
There are areas where he showed a good read by displaying convinction on the things he listed as a priority for the immediate address and i think he did himself some good in those areas.
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 28, 2012 4:45:19 GMT 3
I believe - Kenya is a wonderful country, this is the best country any one can belong to, Kenya is a great place, we can only make it greater .... where we can trample on the poor and remind them to know people, where we can be charged in court and corrupt witnesses if not the judges, where can burn others in churches and claim it was a stove accident, where we can steal from the government and sell back to it the stolen property, where we can lie to the public with a straight face.
Where we can hassle and be a millionaire, better still choma mahindi and be billionaire, sell charcoal and be multi-billionaire. The land where streets are lined with gold, where milk and honey flows in the rivers. The new world, where all the racist bims are soon going to flock, in a mad rush worse than the last one
Yes- I believe.
Senti 5
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Post by destiny on Jun 28, 2012 10:52:23 GMT 3
Congrats to Ruto for agreeing to be interviewed on Cheche which is has one of the toughest panel and is live. There's no room to hide or time to pause and think deep- and he obviously knew that. Many more politicians should troop there and be accountable to Kenyans. Cheche ain't no Jeff Koinange's Bench where he handles politicians with kid gloves.
I think Ruto was brilliant and outpaced and outboxed the panel beyond expectations, teaching them about the constitution in various issues. I was shocked to realise that he actually voted for local tribunal and not Hague.
I think Ruto is one one of the sharpest politicians around. In American presidential type debates, he would leave his opponents gasping for breath and would easily romp home first.
True, he's one of the most divisive and controversial characters around, but his quick wit and self confidence makes it hard for mud to stick on his chequered past. Martha Karua would easily come second!
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Post by kaburwo on Jun 28, 2012 11:31:37 GMT 3
Journalists can be so illiterate! MPs in parliament were not amending the constitution, they were merely amending an Act of Parliament. Is there any learned journalist left out there?
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 11:47:50 GMT 3
Journalists can be so illiterate! MPs in parliament were not amending the constitution, they were merely amending an Act of Parliament. Is there any learned journalist left out there? Exactly! Its been happening for far too long and far too often. As Ruto is lamenting that ODM has now been left a shell because Balala, Mudavadi and himself have left; they cannot even ask him about those who are joining, or better still the fact that it still remains political party of choice for majority of Kenyans. It is not the individual leaders that make the party but the masses who identify by it. |
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Post by mzee on Jun 28, 2012 12:39:50 GMT 3
I’m yet to see any Kenyan journalist who can ask the right questions to politicians. They often come with a set of questions that they put across to politicians and let them answer in any way they wish without being challenged. But the biggest problem with our journalist is that they are very “illiterate” of issues. They therefore ask basic questions that have obvious answers. Besides, they cannot/don’t know how to come up with follow up questions. It’s the follow up questions that makes a good interviewer.
Ur journalist seems to be so focused on reading the next question in the list that they forget to listen to the interviewer. Bure kabisa.
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Post by destiny on Jun 28, 2012 13:00:18 GMT 3
I’m yet to see any Kenyan journalist who can ask the right questions to politicians. They often come with a set of questions that they put across to politicians and let them answer in any way they wish without being challenged. But the biggest problem with our journalist is that they are very “illiterate” of issues. They therefore ask basic questions that have obvious answers. Besides, they cannot/don’t know how to come up with follow up questions. It’s the follow up questions that makes a good interviewer. Ur journalist seems to be so focused on reading the next question in the list that they forget to listen to the interviewer. Bure kabisa. A BBC journalist famously asked the same question for a record 12 times to slippery politician until he got his answer! That's the way it should be done as the clip below shows. Sadly we have the likes of Makali who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as long it suits his hidden interests. This made Tuju blast him a few weeks ago in the same show as an ODM insider,,,, |
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 15:57:08 GMT 3
I’m yet to see any Kenyan journalist who can ask the right questions to politicians. They often come with a set of questions that they put across to politicians and let them answer in any way they wish without being challenged. But the biggest problem with our journalist is that they are very “illiterate” of issues. They therefore ask basic questions that have obvious answers. Besides, they cannot/don’t know how to come up with follow up questions. It’s the follow up questions that makes a good interviewer. Ur journalist seems to be so focused on reading the next question in the list that they forget to listen to the interviewer. Bure kabisa. A BBC journalist famously asked the same question for a record 12 times to slippery politician until he got his answer! That's the way it should be done as the clip below shows. Sadly we have the likes of Makali who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as long it suits his hidden interests. This made Tuju blast him a few weeks ago in the same show as an ODM insider,,,, Indeed, Destiny. Here is the clip where Tuju turns the tables turns on Makali & even Mutegi outted him as an ODM leaning individual... Mwalimumkuu, I agree with you that Ruto did remarkably well in this interview. The job question did throw him off as aptly noted by.....Job  |
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Post by tnk on Jun 28, 2012 19:12:31 GMT 3
I’m yet to see any Kenyan journalist who can ask the right questions to politicians. They often come with a set of questions that they put across to politicians and let them answer in any way they wish without being challenged. But the biggest problem with our journalist is that they are very “illiterate” of issues. They therefore ask basic questions that have obvious answers. Besides, they cannot/don’t know how to come up with follow up questions. It’s the follow up questions that makes a good interviewer. Ur journalist seems to be so focused on reading the next question in the list that they forget to listen to the interviewer. Bure kabisa. A BBC journalist famously asked the same question for a record 12 times to slippery politician until he got his answer! That's the way it should be done as the clip below shows. Sadly we have the likes of Makali who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as long it suits his hidden interests. This made Tuju blast him a few weeks ago in the same show as an ODM insider,,,, ok, haven't played the youtube clip yet but so whats wrong with being an "ODM insider" jeff koinange is a TNA insider (actually TNA mouthpiece) mutegi a PNU insider etc dont quite get it |
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Post by einstein on Jun 28, 2012 22:06:31 GMT 3
Congrats to Ruto for agreeing to be interviewed on Cheche which is has one of the toughest panel and is live. There's no room to hide or time to pause and think deep- and he obviously knew that. Many more politicians should troop there and be accountable to Kenyans. Cheche ain't no Jeff Koinange's Bench where he handles politicians with kid gloves. I think Ruto was brilliant and outpaced and outboxed the panel beyond expectations, teaching them about the constitution in various issues. I was shocked to realise that he actually voted for local tribunal and not Hague.I think Ruto is one one of the sharpest politicians around. In American presidential type debates, he would leave his opponents gasping for breath and would easily romp home first. True, he's one of the most divisive and controversial characters around, but his quick wit and self confidence makes it hard for mud to stick on his chequered past. Martha Karua would easily come second! Really my sister? You did not know? The entire cabinet voted for a local tribunal at the time in the name of "collective responsibility". Ruto was still a minister at the time of the vote. But remember, The Hague-bound ministers used their own back-bench friends to sabotage the local tribunal! That is how clever Ruto & Co. were at the time! The Hague was supposed to take 99 years to deliver justice. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 29, 2012 7:06:02 GMT 3
Congrats to Ruto for agreeing to be interviewed on Cheche which is has one of the toughest panel and is live. There's no room to hide or time to pause and think deep- and he obviously knew that. Many more politicians should troop there and be accountable to Kenyans. Cheche ain't no Jeff Koinange's Bench where he handles politicians with kid gloves. I think Ruto was brilliant and outpaced and outboxed the panel beyond expectations, teaching them about the constitution in various issues. I was shocked to realise that he actually voted for local tribunal and not Hague. I think Ruto is one one of the sharpest politicians around. In American presidential type debates, he would leave his opponents gasping for breath and would easily romp home first. True, he's one of the most divisive and controversial characters around, but his quick wit and self confidence makes it hard for mud to stick on his chequered past. Martha Karua would easily come second! You are so very right. Actually, the first presidential candidate to appear on the rebranded cheche program was non other than the Prime Minister himself. But trust me, you will never see or hear that interview anywhere. I suspect that he might have requested the station to blackout the interview. It was pathetic. Here, Ruto is just being himself; intelligent, witty, passionate and precise. I agree with you, the man has no match among the coterie of president wannabes in Kenya at present. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 29, 2012 7:11:36 GMT 3
Journalists can be so illiterate! MPs in parliament were not amending the constitution, they were merely amending an Act of Parliament. Is there any learned journalist left out there? You couldn't have put it any better. I was surprised to hear Jeff continue peddling this lie even after he hosted the Deputy Speaker himself, who took the time to clarify this for him in a very clear tone and simple English. It is bizarre. |
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Post by b6k on Jun 29, 2012 10:47:43 GMT 3
You are so very right. Actually, the first presidential candidate to appear on the rebranded cheche program was non other than the Prime Minister himself. But trust me, you will never see or hear that interview anywhere. I suspect that he might have requested the station to blackout the interview. It was pathetic. , you're right. I had watched that first Cheche show when RAO was on air but had caught it in the middle. I didn't hear much on it that he hasn't said before so it is a bit surprising that Citizen never uploaded it on YouTube as per the norm. Maybe Phil can enlighten us on why this particular appearance by the PM is not up for viewing in the public domain... |
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Post by otiende on Jun 29, 2012 11:55:36 GMT 3
Mmmmm, I like the part where Ruto says " I had all along refused to didgnify those falsehoods with my response" The best that he could do, he goes on to say, was to ask a lesser mortal called Kutuny to give Jirongo a piece of his (Kutuny's) mind. I like this kind of modesty and I hope Kutuny was listening
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Post by destiny on Jun 29, 2012 14:40:55 GMT 3
By the way the main host of this show is a lady called Uduak Amimo who has previously worked for the BBC. I have heard several guests refer to her erroneously as "Cheche!" which happens to be the show's main title. Good Lord, what next from some clueless politicians? " Thank you for that question auntie Cheche?".....
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 29, 2012 15:30:20 GMT 3
You are so very right. Actually, the first presidential candidate to appear on the rebranded cheche program was non other than the Prime Minister himself. But trust me, you will never see or hear that interview anywhere. I suspect that he might have requested the station to blackout the interview. It was pathetic. , you're right. I had watched that first Cheche show when RAO was on air but had caught it in the middle. I didn't hear much on it that he hasn't said before so it is a bit surprising that Citizen never uploaded it on YouTube as per the norm. Maybe Phil can enlighten us on why this particular appearance by the PM is not up for viewing in the public domain... B6K, Absolutely, but then, that is Raila Odinga for you. The disappearance of that video led me to believe what the grapevine has had all along that the PM pays these journalists and pollsters to paint him in good light, while others are cajoled into silence. I am sure you can remember the exchange between The Star and MM over some protest from the PM's office. And we only got to hear of these because MM was involved. Ask yourself, how many go unreported? |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jun 29, 2012 23:40:22 GMT 3
Ruto needs anger management ,rumours that have been spreading in hushed tones about his temper tantrums are now evident ,remember what he did to the old man Chesire? ,Mutegi should be very careful.
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jun 29, 2012 23:59:26 GMT 3
Ruto needs to come clean on how he hussled his way from selling chickens to be a multi billionaire in less than 10years.One question makali should have asked him to connect to the project allegation is "Did your company AMCO insurance get a tender to insure all GOK vehicles ? ,Did the tendering process follow the laid down procurement laws? ,Do you know the other companies that quoted and by how much did your company beat them?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 30, 2012 7:52:33 GMT 3
Ruto needs to come clean on how he hussled his way from selling chickens to be a multi billionaire in less than 10years.One question makali should have asked him to connect to the project allegation is "Did your company AMCO insurance get a tender to insure all GOK vehicles ? ,Did the tendering process follow the laid down procurement laws? ,Do you know the other companies that quoted and by how much did your company beat them? Mukhwasi, Not everyone who hassles in life dies poor. Otherwise our own Obama who happens to be only five or so years older than Ruto, would be nowhere near the millionaire that he is today. Ruto is just another chapter in the book of real success stories as a result of sheer determination and hardwork. And he is ever so willing to use this energy to transform Kenya so that your kids and mine will not need to go through what he went through to succeed. That is the one and only choice you get in him. |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jul 3, 2012 5:43:28 GMT 3
mwalimu mkuu
love the sarcasm
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