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Post by mzee on Jun 28, 2012 0:12:01 GMT 3
Its indeed an earth shaking trap. Who knew that the G7 would come up with such an intricate trap?
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 28, 2012 0:29:02 GMT 3
Its indeed an earth shaking trap. Who knew that the G7 would come up with such an intricate trap? These guys have serious money and are willing to use it to buy the best ideas possible. |
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Post by tnk on Jun 28, 2012 0:38:49 GMT 3
Its indeed an earth shaking trap. Who knew that the G7 would come up with such an intricate trap? ;D yeah its absolutely brilliant, taken us by surprise, who woulda thought ..... |
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 1:17:20 GMT 3
Shout the word cantankerous I show you a project. Jirongo's Mobutu analogy is as clear as Ruto's "revelations" which were predicted here at JUKWAA back in 2008. Tis the season of projects!
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Post by johns on Jun 28, 2012 2:00:51 GMT 3
Never knew unheard of an idea such as this could come from these people, 4 years in the making. G7 shall go down in history as a conglameration of great minds, it is true.
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Post by bob on Jun 28, 2012 3:39:01 GMT 3
Easier said than done, one day in politics is a very long time. In my own opinion the so called G7 or G8 or ten are a bunch of selfish political mercenaries that can never share any great & progressive idea to take Kenya forward . Firstly Kalonzo believes he is the best,Uhuru the same,Ruto, the same .Mudavadi too a johnny come lately believes the same so what next STOP RAO? Total rubbish,wakenya ndio wata amua & are not so stupid as they may think. Secondly,sad & unfortunate Kenyan politics is determined by the tribal maths & tribal hatred perpetuated by the same characters which on the contrary instead of bringing the country together it will split them (political mercenaries) even further. Tukutane kwa debe. Personally I would rather vote for Peter Kenneth or even Martha than this bunch of greedy pretenders in the name of presidential contenders .
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Post by gateway on Jun 28, 2012 5:16:45 GMT 3
Wow! I Am BREATHLESS. Just when I thought that the world has a shortage of ideas, the smart G-7 comes up with a plan that seems to have been borrowed from Planet Nibiru. The aliens must have given them this idea. N.A.S.A. should investigate them. lol
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 13:28:35 GMT 3
Never knew unheard of an idea such as this could come from these people, 4 years in the making. G7 shall go down in history as a conglameration of great minds, it is true. This is the strategy that has been in the making for years. Divide and rule. None of the candidates believes they can stand on their own and defeat Raila. Instead of unveiling programs that will make Kenya a better country, political parties are being formed everyday to frustrate Raila. Even outright projects like Musalia can now stand on platform kuji piga kifua. The question is: Are Kenyans that stupid? Consider that the so called "control" of RV votes by Ruto is a creation of the partisan press in Kenya. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Ruto controls RV. If anything, his opinion poll rating has repeatedly shown him at Mr. 5%. I believe RV is much bigger than this. How about Musalia.....do all Luhya's in Western agree with his project UDF? I doubt it. How about Chapter 6 ?? Is any of the G-7 G-8 taking this into consideration? The fact of the matter is that even Mudavadi, let alone ICC fugitives Ruto or Uhuru, cannot pass the Chapter 6 test. Perhaps it is only Eugene Wamalwa who can pass this critical test. This phobia for Raila wajameni! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 28, 2012 13:54:50 GMT 3
Folks,
The thing I noticed is the disconnect between the "Raila must go" schemers themsleves. One day we hear there are plots to unite the million anti-Raila political parties to make sure he (Raila) is done away with in the first round of elections. Then today another grand strategy is launched which is to make sure all the myriad parties deny Raila first round victory and then in round two all the anti-Raila formations will unite and then get rid of Raila. We have heard that already for years.
The second thing to note is the thinking that each tribal anti-Raila party is designated specific areas to lead. Mudavadi goes to Western from Kakamega to Busia, to Mumias and all over the place with one message. First he says he does not want to bring tribalism in his politics then he says let's "vote as a block" to give him victory. If that is not tribalism I don't know what is.
So Mudavadi is parked in Western. Uhuru is parked in Central. Kalonzo moves between Machakos and Mombasa and Duale will bring in North Eastern. That way Raila will only have Luo votes and kaboom victory has been achieved. It is a nonsensical pipe dream but it is the only plan these guys have going. Will it work? We will see but so far it is going nowhere.
Then we hear all the G7 chaos say "we want to unite Kenya", "we want to go to the election united", "we do not want to divide the country". I mean these people have no shame. Their strategy is based on balkanising the country into tribal blocks (each with its own party) and then they claim they want to unite the country.
In their mind uniting individual leaders, many of whom are personal friends means uniting Kenyans. They are the embodiment of Kenya. If they agree on something then Kenyans automatically agree and are united on the same thing. That is a lie. When the same scummers, including ODM M.Ps united in parliament to pass laws to protect their selfish interests was that a sign that the country was now united? Hell No. The country was united in condemning all of them. So let them have their unity of selfish leaders for the sake of their selfish interests and leave Kenyans alone to choose the leadership of the nation.
Last but not least, I am sick to my neck hearing all these people talking about issue driven campaigns. They talk about ideology driven political parties. And you hear nothing about those issues. You hear nothing about those ideologies. In quick order in every rally the issues and ideology quickly become what to do with Raila and how to get rid of Raila. Goodness me, someone needs to write a book about that ideology.
I hear ODM is launching their campaign programme next week. For christ sake let them tell us at least ten things they intend to achieve for the country and how. Just telling us where their leaders will be when will not suffice. People are getting exhausted with the endless political crap being splashed in their faces. Tell us what you will do to make our country better and how you will do it. Please.
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Post by raiswakesho on Jun 28, 2012 16:08:03 GMT 3
I think it's fair to say that the G7/8 have actually acknowledged that RAO's popularity is second to none. In fact reading between the lines, you realize that there's actually no plan to beat Odinga. Why talk of a run off match if the group can unite and win in 1st round with 50 plus votes??
RAO is sitting pretty...Kosgey has been cleared by the high court which means, the VP slot is in the bank! I also see Imanyara as a majority leader in the senate come nxt year!!
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jun 29, 2012 5:50:17 GMT 3
Adongo Do not be easily decieved ,politics is like poker no worthy opponent shows his cards until the last minute ,these are mere smoke screens to confuse ODM ,the grand plan will eventualy see mudavadi carry the G7 flag ,this is what ODM think tank should be burning midnight oil on how to counter. |
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Post by b6k on Jun 29, 2012 9:42:00 GMT 3
Adongo Do not be easily decieved ,politics is like poker no worthy opponent shows his cards until the last minute ,these are mere smoke screens to confuse ODM ,the grand plan will eventualy see mudavadi carry the G7 flag ,this is what ODM think tank should be burning midnight oil on how to counter. Mukwhasi, How astute of you to tell it as it is. Expect a lot of red herrings before the grand coalescing of parties against Tinga BEFORE round one of the general elections. I'm not so sure Messi will be the final messiah either but he remains a plausible option....at least for now  |
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Post by kamalet on Jun 29, 2012 11:09:58 GMT 3
I think it's fair to say that the G7/8 have actually acknowledged that RAO's popularity is second to none. In fact reading between the lines, you realize that there's actually no plan to beat Odinga. Why talk of a run off match if the group can unite and win in 1st round with 50 plus votes?? RAO is sitting pretty...Kosgey has been cleared by the high court which means, the VP slot is in the bank! I also see Imanyara as a majority leader in the senate come nxt year!! ...of course this pre-supposes that Imanyara is really electable at home! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 29, 2012 12:19:05 GMT 3
Adongo Do not be easily decieved ,politics is like poker no worthy opponent shows his cards until the last minute ,these are mere smoke screens to confuse ODM ,the grand plan will eventualy see mudavadi carry the G7 flag ,this is what ODM think tank should be burning midnight oil on how to counter. The Mudavadi option was the grand fantasy of Kibaki but reality poked its nose. Uhuru has spent a fortune already in his bid. Uhuru is at The Hague because Kibaki made him his errand boy. Uhuru will not accept to be sent to The Hague by the same Kibaki as Kibaki endorses the Mudavadi project. Uhuru need something to chew on so as to give Mudavadi a pass. That something is for Kibaki to pull Kenya out of the ICC and save the prince. The consequences of that could be worse than a political tsunami and Kibaki is growing cold feet to pull the trigger. If Hague is still hanging around Uhuru's neck he is going to run and gamble with his chances of winning the presidency and saving himself if his master, Kibaki, the grand betrayer won't save him. As they say all well out plans sometimes end up in a tombstone. We have infinite complications in the Kenyan political landsacpe today. It is amazing to watch. We are the witnesses. |
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Post by merlin on Jun 29, 2012 12:22:51 GMT 3
State House Project.Ruto made it all clear; the State House project is joining all political forces to stop Raila from occupying the house on the hill. The tactics may vary by circumstances though the objective is clear and fixed. Besides from discussing the tactics, it raises some interesting questions. What is the difference between Raila and any of the other contenders for Presidency? There has to be a reason for the state house project so let’s research all the noise and heated arguments for stopping Raila and list the factual reasons why he cannot be the next president. Mmmm??
He is Luo
He is not circumcised
Eh...
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He is a dictator
?? It seems unbelievable though there are no known clear and upright reasons. There must be reasons otherwise why making so much fuss about Raila’s aim to become President? I think for State House Project cabal the reasons are clear though they don’t like us to know the reasons as well. Many people would reject these reasons as they will be against us and not help to move Kenya forward. The common wananchi will not vote for the Presidential Candidate of State House Project (whoever it will be) if they know the reasons for his presidency. Is it not the right time for the State House Project cabal to stop hiding their real colours for Kenyans? And by the way; politics is not the same as playing poker. It affects the lives of millions of Kenyans.
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Post by Mukwhasi on Jun 29, 2012 23:36:52 GMT 3
Adongo
I see your point but i beg to differ ,in light of AU plans to start an african internation court do you still think the hague cases will run the full course? i dont think so ,very soon the AU will pass a rsolution to pull out all african countries from ICC and that will be the end of all ICC cases.Thamaki on the other hand knows deep down ,something that he even said on bbc's hard talk ,that selling another kikuyu president will be almost impossible and that is where MM comes in ,they know he is weak and can easily be manipulated hence they are comfortable that he will not rock the boat.The only problem is Ruto ,he has a personal axe to grind with Mudavadi and i even think he is the schemer behind Jirongo's antics ,what im trying to say is let us prepare for "mwaka wa hiti".
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Post by raiswakesho on Jun 29, 2012 23:56:35 GMT 3
Mukwhasi,
I can't speak for any other african country but Kenya won't pull out of ICC, you can take this to the bank.
On another note, the G7/8 better front one candidate if at all they want to give RAO a run for his money otherwise they will be floored so bad in round two. Keep in mind that the groupings we'll have going into the elections will dramatically change in round two as folks re-position themselves for the future. In other words, the projects are good till the 1st round, forget about the MOUs to be deposited with the registrar or whoever for that matter, pledging to rally behind one of their own in case of a runoff.
Let's say for argument sake that UK decides to be MM's running mate, what happens to Ruto? Bill will have no choice but to mend fences with RAO for obvious reasons. Uhuru/Ruto ticket won't sell in their various regions because the Kalenjins will insist on the presidency and the house mumbi can't rally behind Ruto.
In conclusion, I can state with accuracy that if UK & Bill aren't barred by our courts from running, G7/8 won't rally behind one candidate to face RAO.
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Post by furaha on Jun 29, 2012 23:57:32 GMT 3
Adongo I see your point but i beg to differ ,in light of AU plans to start an african internation court do you still think the hague cases will run the full course? i dont think so ,very soon the AU will pass a rsolution to pull out all african countries from ICC and that will be the end of all ICC cases.Thamaki on the other hand knows deep down ,something that he even said on bbc's hard talk ,that selling another kikuyu president will be almost impossible and that is where MM comes in ,they know he is weak and can easily be manipulated hence they are comfortable that he will not rock the boat.The only problem is Ruto ,he has a personal axe to grind with Mudavadi and i even think he is the schemer behind Jirongo's antics ,what im trying to say is let us prepare for "mwaka wa hiti". The AU plans will not affect ongoing ICC cases at at all. They will continue. The train is unstoppable. But the plans, which may take many years to materialize into the building of an actual AU institution (if ever), will embolden Kibaki and co to decide to stop all cooperation with the ICC. That will no doubt deal a huge blow to Kenya's international credibility and will also cost the country economically. The world prefers to avoid rogue states and does not see them as good places to put their investments. Look at Khartoum, for example. Doing a Bashir will come at a heavy price. |
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