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Post by kamalet on Aug 10, 2012 10:07:49 GMT 3
RR
You make a worrying comment when you say that Migunas book is anti-Raila and is intended to destroy his political career. Unless you imagine that all suggestions of corruption at Shell BP House are lies, then like many Kenyans I would imagine that you would not worry much about Railas career when he sits with the corrupt and perhaps takes the occasional cup of the same drink.
You have no business protecting the career of anyone suspected of being part of or one that sits and watches the pilfering of public funds. Migunas may be an angry man, he may tell the occasional fib in his book but the fact that some of what he alleges is uncontested by the PM who prefers calling him a naked mad man is sufficiently telling that Raila prefers the RRs who are happy to see it as only a political murder tool by Miguna!
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Post by podp on Aug 10, 2012 12:52:18 GMT 3
To those arguing here that Jukwaa is an ODM or pro-Raila forum. You could not be more mistaken. This forum is full of the anti-Raila crowd: Miguna, Oloo, Destiny (btw dear destiny, you said you do know me: do you now?), Kebaara, Mwalimumkuu, Kamale, Podp, Jakaswanga, b6k etc. I tell you, they are a dime a dozen, these Jukwaa Railaphobics. One thing for sure, Jukwaa is definitely NOT a pro-Raila forum! In addition to the anti-Raila, there are Railamaniacs like yours truly. Then there is a thin strip in-between where some people claim independence from Raila. However, these unprincipled Kalonzo-like characters are really very watery ‘watermelons’. Like the nondescript church of Laodicea, they neither blow hot nor cold. For the record, my favorite Railaphobics are the ones that wear their phobia proudly on their sleeves. Not the worms that crawl out of the woodwork every now and then dripping with all the hypocrisy they can muster. What stops us raising this discourse, on who will be the next PORK, to issue-level. 1. In a sentence, what is your candidate's articulated vision for the country? (It must be one the candidate has been articulating.) 2. What precise plan does your candidate have for tackling corruption and impunity, being key challenges in Kenya's fragile democracy (including cases where the candidate is implicated)? 3. How does your candidate plan to eradicate Kenya's beneath-human-dignity poverty where 46% earn less than a dollar a day, bearing in mind the current 40% unemployment rate, with ? And while at the above hope you read OOs piece although long.
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Post by roughrider on Aug 10, 2012 14:42:13 GMT 3
Onyango Oloo;
Scoffing does not change the reality of how things look. This is my last intervention on this because my intent was not to make Oloo the topic. In fact I mentioned a few more Jukwaaists to demonstrate that Jukwaa has its fair share of 'anti-Raila' sentiment.
1. Nobody is talking about history. Your views, based on essays written in 2003 are irrelevant to the point I was making. Even Miguna Miguna was writing love poetry about Raila as recently as last year. It is your actions today that count.
2. The book is a vicious attack on Raila. The author told us so for months, describing it as damning, volcanic etc. Miguna told us on the bench quite clearly what his new mission was. He said that attempts by Raila to stop him and his book would fail. Miguna's book was designed, marketed and sold as an expose that would bring Raila's political career to a screeching halt. It is anti-Raila. It repeats regular, unsubstantiated rumours about Raila – and his associates – as circulated by Raila’s political opponents.
3. Yes – when you participate so intimately in a project, you are part of it. You are not merely an independent service provider. That is why, for example, publishers and booksellers can be sued for the libel in a book they published and sold but did not author. You were the proof reader, the marketer, the reviewer, the MC and events evaluator, the reporter, the publicist… and what-not. You new what was in the book and the objectives of the project.
PS: There is nothing wrong with working against Raila Odinga. It is a democratic choice. Simply join the line and lets move on to other topics.
RR
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Post by roughrider on Aug 10, 2012 14:53:01 GMT 3
To those arguing here that Jukwaa is an ODM or pro-Raila forum. You could not be more mistaken. This forum is full of the anti-Raila crowd: Miguna, Oloo, Destiny (btw dear destiny, you said you do know me: do you now?), Kebaara, Mwalimumkuu, Kamale, Podp, Jakaswanga, b6k etc. I tell you, they are a dime a dozen, these Jukwaa Railaphobics. One thing for sure, Jukwaa is definitely NOT a pro-Raila forum! In addition to the anti-Raila, there are Railamaniacs like yours truly. Then there is a thin strip in-between where some people claim independence from Raila. However, these unprincipled Kalonzo-like characters are really very watery ‘watermelons’. Like the nondescript church of Laodicea, they neither blow hot nor cold. For the record, my favorite Railaphobics are the ones that wear their phobia proudly on their sleeves. Not the worms that crawl out of the woodwork every now and then dripping with all the hypocrisy they can muster. What stops us raising this discourse, on who will be the next PORK, to issue-level. 1. In a sentence, what is your candidate's articulated vision for the country? (It must be one the candidate has been articulating.) 2. What precise plan does your candidate have for tackling corruption and impunity, being key challenges in Kenya's fragile democracy (including cases where the candidate is implicated)? 3. How does your candidate plan to eradicate Kenya's beneath-human-dignity poverty where 46% earn less than a dollar a day, bearing in mind the current 40% unemployment rate, with ? And while at the above hope you read OOs piece although long. This is a good point. I will articulate my views - perhaps that demands a different thread? My only urging is that criticism should also be constructive and based on facts; not pre-concieved notions or tribalism. Raila Odinga is my candidate. Here is an opening statement that he has penned specifically for your attention Prof Podp: THE NEW AGENDAKenya has gone through a bad agenda for close to fifty years. Since independence, leaders have lorded it over the citizens. Liberal democracy understands that citizens have a contract with their leaders. The leaders have been mandated to serve at the people’s will. They hold and exercise power in trust. Unfortunately, in our situation the leaders have behaved like feudal lords. From independence, Kenya has been led in a manner that would almost make you think that the country is the property of the leader while the led are serfs. The leadership has behaved as if it is above the law and held both the people and the laws in contempt. Impunity, corruption and ineptitude have been the order of the day. Our institutions have degenerated steadily at the behest of sacred cows and other politically correct individuals. Whenever they are called to answer, they quickly retreat to the ethnic cocoon. They lie to the tribe that the whole community is under assault. Several times, we thought we had arrived to the Promised Land. We have had many false dawns that have not been followed by mornings of fulfillment. We did so in 1963 when we got independence from the British. But the new class of rulers degenerated into self-serving lords. They engaged in the politics of exclusion and domination of many by a few. They destroyed every institution that promised the citizens reprieve. Under this oppressive order, Kenya became a veritable dictatorship under one party rule. In 1991, citizens had yet another dawn of hope. They forced the government to amend the Constitution to allow for multi-party democracy. Kenyans got the multiparty space that they bargained for. But power and control remained in the hands of bad leaders. In 2002, we had yet another false dawn. We removed Kanu from power. But Kanu’s methods remained. Even those who had fought with the people for a new Constitution turned coat, proclaiming in public that we did not need a new Constitution anymore, now that they were in power. Our last dawn came in 2010, when we eventually overcame the forces of retrogression to promulgate a new Constitution.The new Constitution promises the Kenyan citizen a new agenda with his or her leaders. It has been proclaimed one of the best Constitutions in the world. The civil liberties, bill of rights, fundamental freedoms and rights in the Constitution are the herald of Kenya’s New Agenda. It is a people focused and people friendly agenda. It is an agenda that will mainstream the rule of law. It will end impunity. It will place Kenya on the road to a just, free and equitable society. This is an agenda that Kenya must not lose grip of.
To avoid another false dawn, Kenyans must elect a Government they can trust. They must elect a Government of reformists. We cannot trust those who campaigned against the New Agenda to deliver it. Already, they talk of working together to defeat one candidate – Raila Odinga. Each time you hear them talk of unity, understand that they mean conspiracy. For, unity is only as good as the reason for which people unite. Kenyans must resist wicked unity against their New Agenda, for the New Agenda is the People’s Agenda.raila-odinga.com/new/agenda/
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Aug 11, 2012 1:34:33 GMT 3
Rough Rider:
I was making a very simple point.
Some of us will not let you get away with lies, half truths, innuendos and character assassination.
You can call us all kinds of names, but when we choose to do so, we will dissect and deconstruct your empty rhetoric using facts, history and current affairs.
If you log off the internet and consult with people on the ground you will discover how the consistent forces of reform (including some progressive and patriotic forces in ODM) still collaborate on a wide range of issues without necessarily waiting eagerly for Rough Rider's stamp of approval.
And speaking of Rough Rider, apart from yodeling on the internet about who is pro this and anti that, what in fact has he done lately to advance the Kenyan struggle?
If he lives in Nairobi where is he and what is doing when Kenyans meet to organize?
Those who ignore history are usually doomed to vegetate in political projects heading nowhere. History helps to keep us in check. History helps us gauge the present alignment and balance of forces. History exposes who the opportunists of yesteryear who today pose as gallant liberatadors of the current epoch.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by einstein on Aug 11, 2012 2:17:10 GMT 3
Rough Rider:I was making a very simple point. Some of us will not let you get away with lies, half truths, innuendos and character assassination.
You can call us all kinds of names, but when we choose to do so, we will dissect and deconstruct your empty rhetoric using facts, history and current affairs........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Onyango Oloo OO,In light of the above statement you have made about Roughrider, is it possible that some of us also concluded the same about Miguna Miguna's book after going through it? And that is that some of us will not let Miguna Miguna get away with lies, half truths, innuendos and character assassination? You, Miguna Miguna and all his sympathisers can also call us (not just Roughrider alone) all kinds of names, but when this board chose to do so, the board dissected and deconstructed Miguna Miguna's empty rhetoric using facts, history and current affairs and came to the above conclusion in the first paragraph. And remember, as far as that book is concerned there is no difference between you and Miguna Miguna as well explained by Roughrider. Just to jog your memory, please kindly refer to this thread below: www.jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7183
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 11, 2012 4:55:21 GMT 3
Yes, indeed. Happy Birthday, Jukwaa.
P.S. Miguna will be back next week.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Aug 11, 2012 12:40:24 GMT 3
My Brother Einstein:
A little originality and creativity on your part will do you no harm.
I notice the title of this thread so I am opting out of any back and forth about Miguna and his book.
I have said what I wanted to say.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by einstein on Aug 11, 2012 14:51:15 GMT 3
My Brother Einstein:A little originality and creativity on your part will do you no harm.I notice the title of this thread so I am opting out of any back and forth about Miguna and his book. I have said what I wanted to say. Onyango Oloo My brother OO,It is you who is not creative at all in your thinking! Think creatively brother OO, think creatively!! What I did was completely intentional if you never realised. I USED YOUR OWN WORDS AGAINST YOU & MIGUNA MIGUNA! Every time you are using your index finger to point at other people, always remember that YOUR THREE OTHER FINGERS ARE POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU!Brother OO, welcome into the world of CREATIVITY! PS: I have noticed that you are opting out of any back and forth about Miguna and his book on this thread, but ONLY AFTER you have made your point! We call that sort of BEHAVIOUR "DOUBLE STANDARDS" &/or "SELFISHNESS" where I live!! God bless you!! PSS: My brother OO, PLEASE stop responding to any issue whatsoever raised about Miguna Miguna AND you will be fine. Listen, my brother listen.
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Post by nalinali on Aug 11, 2012 15:03:13 GMT 3
Rough Rider:I was making a very simple point. Some of us will not let you get away with lies, half truths, innuendos and character assassination. You can call us all kinds of names, but when we choose to do so, we will dissect and deconstruct your empty rhetoric using facts, history and current affairs.If you log off the internet and consult with people on the ground you will discover how the consistent forces of reform (including some progressive and patriotic forces in ODM) still collaborate on a wide range of issues without necessarily waiting eagerly for Rough Rider's stamp of approval. And speaking of Rough Rider, apart from yodeling on the internet about who is pro this and anti that, what in fact has he done lately to advance the Kenyan struggle? If he lives in Nairobi where is he and what is doing when Kenyans meet to organize? Those who ignore history are usually doomed to vegetate in political projects heading nowhere. History helps to keep us in check. History helps us gauge the present alignment and balance of forces. History exposes who the opportunists of yesteryear who today pose as gallant liberatadors of the current epoch. Onyango Oloo OO In view of the emboldened section above, is it fair to ask whether or not your inclusion into HOJA amounts to vegetating in such ill-fated political projects you hold in disdain? Is some lesson in history being abrogated (by you and ilk) in that dumb move? What does the immediate and past history tell us about the individuals and parties implicated in HOJA and its associations? (Tuju, Kiraitu, Uhuru, GG,Kimunya, Kiunjuri etc) kweli dunia kuna mambo. I may also wish to find out from you whether or not your unwavering sentinel "calling" in respect of "Peeling Back the Mask" is a testament to true friendship, a belief in a cause, or a poorly concealed "processual" agenda of 'sticking it up to' the PM and in so doing, tacitly approving of the insidious intention of the forces arraigned against his socio-political agenda? These thoughts disturb me ndugu OO.
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Post by reevjay on Aug 11, 2012 23:53:20 GMT 3
Jukwaa is setting standards...i'm proud to be part of this forum.
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Post by einstein on Aug 12, 2012 0:18:46 GMT 3
Jukwaa is setting standards...i'm proud to be part of this forum. A very warm welcome mate in the very rough world of Jukwaa!! See you around!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Aug 12, 2012 13:10:01 GMT 3
OO In view of the emboldened section above, is it fair to ask whether or not your inclusion into HOJA amounts to vegetating in such ill-fated political projects you hold in disdain? I am writing something on the Hoja Alliance. Stay tuned for that. Onyango Oloo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:34:20 GMT 3
Honourable ladies and gentlemen of Jukwaa. Soon we will be celebrating Jukwaa’s Seventh Birthday this coming August. Abdulmote; I do not think that there is much to celebrate. The fact is, in recent months Jukwaa has gone down. And there is more. I have come across some shocking information recently about some prominent Jukwaaists and their emerging political associations. It is despicable for people to pretend to aspire to some higher ideals when they are actually lying, corrupt and dishonest.
Maybe I should write a 'tell-all' book.
These are foxes dressed in sheepskin. Some people, yawa!
My advice to all Jukwaaists is to be very careful how and with whom they share information. We should also exercise caution about the information we release here.
There are subtle signs that this is not the forum it used to be. I have a strange premonition. I keep thinking the handle roughrider will be making her last posts in the coming weeks. roughriderWhy hold back? Toboa yote bwana! other than that stop spreading rumors that have no basis in truth.
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 12, 2012 17:18:42 GMT 3
Why hold back? Toboa yote bwana! other than that stop spreading rumors that have no basis in truth. Trying to stop Kenyans from rumour-mongering is like trying to stop water from being wet.
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Post by nereah on Aug 12, 2012 17:55:00 GMT 3
how instructive that jukwaa is turning 7 on the very month that its founder is also celebrating his birthday and also the very month that yours truly, commemorate the fifth anniversary of her noisy presence in this august platform.
i have never regretted the decision to sign up to this great forum and will never forget that nightfall in the wintry atlantic weather when i tiptoed into jukwaa then thirty with knowledge but got more than i bargained for. met great minds,very interesting and lovely company who have accorded me the space,comfort,respect and recognition a naive and small minded country girl from gem would need to come this far.
i want to thank each and every one of you. i happen to read each thread posted in jukwaa and more often than not get edified by the broad spectrum of infos. jakaswanga when he means business is a mind worth more money can buy. job, adongo, johns, otishotish, okhukanye,omundu,kathure kebaara,phil,einstein,raiswakesho,abdulmote,kasuku, akinyi, mrembo,deyieng,luol deng,b6k,reporter are just but great souls that drive me to jukwaa.
not forgetting titchaz,political maniac,roughrider,omwenga,dola,kaburwo,kamalet, euoli,mbuta,taddo,sunday,wanyee, nalinali,colonel brisk,rubeinji,subsaharinite and all the newsbees/b]
who have i left out?
now,being the nereah that i am, i demand that we shed our pretences any biases and takes to the dance floor with this powerful blast from the past that celebrates friendship. for non-luo speaking like jakaswanga(pun intended) the direct translation is there for you.
for maximum pleasure this is best listened to in a dolby surround. muonjoyoo begins at 10:54. from me, nyagem, to the jukwaa souls.enjoy people and god bless you till we meet again. ;D ;D
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Post by abdulmote on Aug 12, 2012 18:49:45 GMT 3
Nereah,
How kind and generous of you! It is unfortunate that I have to 'vent' my anger just when you had began to turn things around, but allow me, with utmost regret:
This is just as sick as they come!
It is sad to note how confused our culture as Kenyans comes across.
I took the initiative of appreciation the exceptional being of Jukwaa’s existence, offering all who may have had the benefit of enjoying the same over the years, through recognisable effort and sacrifice our brother Oloo has given, that such an experience may be possible, and look what have we done?
For a moment I thought; what the heck? Can we not restrain our meandering minds even for such a simple, deserving and highly worthy of show of appreciation for something that has been and still is dear to us? Is this to say that we do not have the smallest of capacities to remain objective even for such a simple task? Is this to state and provide proof of how sick some of our minds have come to be? Otherwise what is it?
Then I came to realise that members of Jukwaa are not necessarily free from the disease afflicting our politicians, as we can clearly see its manifestation through our news media on daily bases.
Someone loses their loved one and is suddenly struck with the enormous pain of bereavement and is in mourning. The sufferers decide to invite some of their prominent friends for the burial or funeral of their departed love. Tears are poring and their hearts are crying. Despite droves of consolations and messages of condolences being offered to the bereaved, nothing seems able to take that pain away. They are mourning their loss.
But guess what: The invited ‘politicians’ have their own agendas for the funeral. They have already spent a good few hours last night ‘polishing’ their rhetoric for the ‘mourners’ as a return of the ‘favour’ and de-appreciation of the opportunity. The dead could not have died at a better time!
This is certainly not what I had intended and I couldn’t have imagined such an outcome!
Celebrating Jukwaa’s seventh birthday has nothing to do with what anyone has to think or behave in any way shape or form. Our political inclinations, whether any associates with UK, Raila or Mungiki, do not and should not count in here!
What we have to acknowledge and celebrate however, is how Jukwaa has given us the opportunity to ‘mingle’ and enjoy our banter in near perfect conditions, obviously with the significant help and commitment from Oloo! That is what Jukwaa is all about and that is what we ought to celebrate in marking Jukwaa’s seventh year of existence and in such a glorious overall status comparing to many other forums I can think of! Simple.
Oloo, this is for you and HAPPY BIG BIRTHDAY!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 22:22:01 GMT 3
Why hold back? Toboa yote bwana! other than that stop spreading rumors that have no basis in truth. Trying to stop Kenyans from rumour-mongering is like trying to stop water from being wet. otishotishLet RR come and substantiate his claims. He's made serious claims. Says that people's info is being compromised @ jukwaa and it's not by OO implying that I'm the guilty party. Whoever he's talking to, please! Let him tell us.
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Post by job on Aug 13, 2012 6:29:21 GMT 3
Happy 7th birthday! Unbelievable how time flies fast!
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Post by nereah on Aug 14, 2012 19:47:00 GMT 3
Happy 7th birthday! Unbelievable how time flies fast! it is a festive season in jukwaa and a thousand reasons for the family and its new members to celebrate with love, laughter and lore to toast... and eat.. and munch the cake..... and dance....
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 14, 2012 23:02:31 GMT 3
now,being the nereah that i am, i demand that we shed our pretences any biases and takes to the dance floor with this powerful blast from the past that celebrates friendship. for non-luo speaking like jakaswanga(pun intended) the direct translation is there for you. for maximum pleasure this is best listened to in a dolby surround. muonjoyoo begins at 10:54. from me, nyagem, to the jukwaa souls.enjoy people and god bless you till we meet again. ;D ;D Nereah yaye Nereah nyar Gem! I know this George Ramogi! he belched out a notorious one to Alphonce Okuku, the brother of TJ and sometimes MP of the area! (Ali Kounga nisomo chula, Kamasengere Pacho, idog isomo Loka, bwana wuod gi Mboya!
Ya Jokilo banjo k'wamako, iparo bwana Ali Okuku ma Jarusinga, bwana wuod gi Mboya!-------- Fond memories as the band would be blaring in Mbita town, and young islanders marooned on the other side of the straight, catching the vibes as they rode the waves across. PS: But the dholuo I do not ;D speak, is the one which gambles all the futures the nation on a comprador vision and captaincy. My opinion declares that a dead-end, a historical cul-de-sac, whatever the peoples and continent. Royal and divine that language be, but like the hieroglyphics stage of script, essentially extinct and museum paraphernalia, and piece. I love volcanos, actively relevant with explosive content. NB: To celebrate Jukwaa, even if I am relatively youthful in membership, allow me to introduce you to Ouma Omore Tisa, the late benga musician of Omore stars. Known as the poet Mamor, the verdict is out there if his coinage and delivery of lyrics outranks Dr. Colly Mazee [Oula Jabar-Ochiago] when it comes to love songs in dholuo. Some good dancing there. check the 'pango nungo' in relation to the seben solo guitar which is called 'andwayo'! [cheeky with the loins!]
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Post by roughrider on Aug 16, 2012 22:04:32 GMT 3
I appreciate history and its lessons. History, for example, shows how Kenyan politicians, are mostly a fickle lot. They join parties, leave them and rejoin them in rather confounding twists. They rush to form baseless alliances, which then will sambaratika predictably. Similarly, they can be for a person or policy today; only to turn around and oppose that person or policy tomorrow. All this is not news.
Over time I have also realized that some questions must be treated with some contempt. Especially questions borne of arrogance. Like somebody asking what you have been doing to as part of the ‘kenyan struggle’. They are only asking because an ego the size of Australia keeps telling them that they are national heroes for whom we should build monuments at Uhuru Park. Teachers, nurses, doctors, drivers, farmers etc… contribute to the Kenyan dream; each by being the best patriotic Kenyans they can be, paying taxes, fighting corruption, electing leaders conscientiously, participating in public policy debate among other civic minded engagements.
I find the ‘kenyan struggle’ as defined by activists involved in endless quaffing of sumptuous lunches, while 'workshopping' at NGO meetings despicable and immoral. So, no. I am not part of that struggle.
Finally, there is something I found rather amusing. Is it not rather funny that a founder of an online forum, one who has been a member of millions of online for a and moderated several thousand, one who introduces himself and signs of by saying, I am a blogger, I am founder of an online forum blah blah… now thinks that the writings of one of his forum contributors is ‘yodeling on the internet’?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 17:34:47 GMT 3
Happy birthday Onyango Oloo!!
Kenya is a better place for having you!!
And I want to give you credit for having jogged my mind and heart from the slumber of going along with the world rotten as it is into critical consciousness. And from there, I've blossomed into a feisty feminist concerned with all matters oppression and resistance.
here's that 50 cent feat. beyonce song.
best wishes Oloo, strength to strength!!!
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Post by nereah on Aug 20, 2012 12:46:31 GMT 3
allow me, nereah of amadi, to issue a belated happy birthday congratulations to our biggest o ;D for hitting the 5 plus score, an envy to some of us who are much,much younger but wrestling with one health scare after the other. one of the best read i have ever encountered from onyi is this one aptly titled aging in an ageist mondial posted in February 2005 demokrasia-kenya.blogspot.com/2005/02/aging-in-ageist-mondiale.html. i am aware that david onyango oloo is not as popular as he was in kenya especially here in jukwaa say in 2008 when he posted jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1697, and where my type are frowning upon his ideological lapses and discussing him in desperate terms. but i beg the indulgence of all for a bi-partisan celebration of his birth anniversary. i came along with some veritable collections from my home music library, that i imagined are reflection of the tapestry of his rich life experiences (as documented here in jukwaa), a dedication to him and the woman in his life whom he introduced jukwaa to with a powerful poetry and photos(see jukwaa archive) for a start, lets thank god for your existence that has allowed us to converge in jukwaa. then we cheer your lovely wife.. then some taarab........ ....... musinikazie chijo, mimi ni mali ya mutu, kwangu hupati kitu and then the black sister with the historic voice octave......... [/i] wedenda.....and gathoni...... and then..... celebrating true friends.. and back to the good old days with j.m. adong ongony et al in tanzania pod angima happy birthday, wuod gem!
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Post by roughrider on Aug 20, 2012 13:24:00 GMT 3
i am aware that david onyango oloo is not as popular as he was in kenya especially here in jukwaa say in 2008 when he posted jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1697, and where my type are frowning upon his ideological lapses and discussing him in desperate terms. but i beg the indulgence of all for a bi-partisan celebration of his birth anniversary. No problem Nereah. As a significant member of the group that are 'frowning upon his ideological lapses', I have no problem saying Happy Birthday, Oloo. Our disgruntlement, is, after all nothing personal. However, I would encourage him to use the occasion of his anniversary to reflect deeply upon the marked deterioration that surely cannot be just lapses but complete about-turns. It is sad to see a life and reputation built upon foundations of progressive struggle threatened by signing on to helping a dubious bandwagon focused on attacking a single Kenyan personality.
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