Could This Qualify as Stalking?

[Onyango Oloo]

Many of you remember Sadik, the ex Jukwaa member that I kicked out some months ago.

Well, he has been sending me unsolicited mail for quite some time now.

I don't really know what to make of it or where he is going with it.

I am just sharing it all here to get your input even as I decide what actions to take:


karma!
Inbox

Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM
To: [e-mail]

Onyango Oloo

This is Sadik, who you unceremoniously threw out of Jukwaa.

I have kept away from the Kenyan scene for sometime and was very surprised and mystified to read of the ongoing topical turmoil surrounding Miguna. In Jukwaa, I take it you seem to be in the thick of it. Your wife or was it ex-wife seems to be fighting your battle for you! By the way I picked your email from your 'book review' on the Daily Nation, in case you thought I was stalking you.

You kicked me out of Jukwaa because a mob of Luos including your dear friends felt uncomfortable with my truthful insightful posting. I wrote about the mob mentality of the Luos and the sheer fact that blind loyalty is threat to all of us. In Jukwaa, the Luo mob constantly ganged up against me with insults. Nothing happened to them. But, when I reacted to their provocation, I was usually admonished. Indeed, it reached a point where I could not post anything without getting serious backlash. My contribution were religiously rubbished without any tangible sensible rebuttal. Again when I raised my concerned I was treated flippantly in a demeaning way. It was a case of calling on hounds on me every time I surfaced. As consequent I called them names and kapoon I was kicked out.

I am not writing this to seek re-admission. I have moved on from Jukwaa. But, I write to let you know that Karma is a good thing. They say what goes round, comes round. It is your turn to face your wicked haters, now, so that you feel the pain and mystery inflicted on others.

You see Oloo, I am a humble soul not like the people you prostitute yourself to, who buy you a drink or lunch in order to seek your patronage. I don't believe in favouritism, however you disguise it ! I treasure objectivity and trust the best analysis are written divorced and remote from bias. You on the other hand dwell in partisan subjectivity and mortal worship. You are so cooked up about growing up in Mombasa but forgot that you are inside a typical Jaluo. We met once in company of others where you were stumping and since then I stayed stiff because I wanted to deal with you at arm's length. And true to your allegiances, when push came to shove, you belittled me not even wanted to hear my side and when pressed by those who threw you a bone (drink/lunch) you without hesitation slaughter my person in Jukwaa. To add insults to injury, you even kicked me out with a person whose credentials of hate was well known. I had argued furiously with him before you kicked us out. Had I bought you a drink or lunch, I'm certain you wouldn't have mistreated me.

So long, I leave you to seek comfort from you wife, or is it ex, from who I will probably hear.

Sadik.

Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:32 AM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]

Thanks Sadik.

Nice hearing from you.

Have yourself a good day.

Onyango Oloo


Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM
To: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>

Oloo

Whilst reading Miguna's book, I almost fell off my seat when at page 561 I came across the following gratituous expression to you,

" My Comrade Onyango Oloo has demonstrated over and again, what true friendship means and that we must practice what we preach if we are serious about the commitment we proclaim."

The first part maybe right, only maybe, but the second part is definitely incorrect. You never practice what you preach. If anything, you the worse hypocrite I have known.

Sadik.




Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>

Sadik:

I commend you for sharing your unvarnished, honest opinion with me

I appreciate that very much.

Keep well.

Onyango Oloo

Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:54 PM
To: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>


Oloo

Karma is biting you at the derrière! I laughed loud when I read your exchanges with Job/Adongo, and previously with Einstein, et al. Once upon time your revered Luo members were 'untouchable', all supporting 'Jakom', now they cannibalised you in public. How shameful! You made your bed, now kindly lay on it.

Sadik.


Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: "onyango. oloo" <[e-mail]>

Sadik:

How long do you want to keep this up before it degenerates into stalking?

[savekenya011]

Greeting Ndugu OO,

Pole kwa masaibu haya.

To answer you, maybe it does.

Unfortunately, you may unwittingly be "encouraging it". Dont get me wrong. By responding to anything this person says to you, you actually give them currency to keep coming back at you with.

When you ignore them (which is what you should probably do), they will be perturbed and wonder why you are not responding/reacting. And they will keep coming but after a while they will realize you have notime of day for them and whatever they say/do is totally inconsequential to you (even if it is ) and doesnt bother you one iota, they soon move on and look for more "entertaining" and "interactive" thngs to do. In short, do not give your "stalker" an avenue to get "interactive" with you.

There is always the option of "block" on most email service provider's settings.Try that.

And finally there is the legal avenue.Sue the ********.

Or, on a light note as he says, you could allow your "luo attack dogs on here" a go at him!

Cheers.

[phil]

Oloo

This is hilarious. Obviously 'Sadik' has not moved on. I see the membership registration is open. He may want to consider re-registering his handle and engaging you directly.

And talking of free lunches and drinks, what would he say about the fact he is enjoying freebies as a Team Ruto presidential campaign team member? Sadik must think Jukwaaist are idiots. Tell him you Oloo are better of enjoying plate of Ngege at Kosewe with genuine friends, than going to bed with land grabbers and economic saboteurs of Kenya who offer him membership at Karen Club or facilitate for him posh offices along Riverside Drive.. And talking of girlfriends and ex-wives, people who live in glass houses DO NOT throw stones.

Mwambiye hiyo ni kutoka kwa mzalendo Phil.

[destiny]

Sounds more like a troll.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context.."

"Sadik' should be ashamed of himself for dragging an entire tribe into his self inflicted problems. He has always played the tribal card as far as I can remember, always winning the shouting match but sadly losing the argument.

[babawatoto]

Bwana Oloo,

I think your communication with Sadik should not be made public as you have. If you have an issue with his emails to you, I dont see how 'outing' him here is of any relevance ?
There seems to be a growing and concerning airing of private affairs in jukwaa.
While I do not condone any intolerant behavior, I also do not agree with the publishing of apparently private emails in public. If you were so concerned, why did you not reach out to Kenya's finest ?
You being the 'gatekeeper' of Jukwaa, are treading a fine line with the issue of privacy.

[Onyango Oloo]

Another one from Sadik:

Sadik Noor

11:54 AM (7 hours ago)

to me
Oloo

Nothing to be worried about? I would never stalk you, even if my life depended on it. Exchange of emails is not stalking by the way! I am just flagging issues of interest to you hoping that you will be candid enough to admit you wronged me. However, you seem set to your injustice incorrigible self. Can't teach an old dog a new trick, ehe!

[enigma]

Oloo,

This is indeed very worrying. If the new front in probity and accountability is publishing private correspondence then am afraid we are staring at a lost generation of reformers. In an instant you have lost cred and you are digging deeper.

[Mukwhasi]

OO
You know you can block somene from sending you emails right? and you also know you dont have to respond thereby nudging him on ,right? so what's all this hullabaloo about??

[Onyango Oloo]

Aug 1, 2012 22:02:59 GMT 3 enigma said:

Oloo,

This is indeed very worrying. If the new front in probity and accountability is publishing private correspondence then am afraid we are staring at a lost generation of reformers. In an instant you have lost cred and you are digging deeper.

Enigma, Mukhwasi and Baba Watoto:

Why am I not surprised at your flippant callousness?

For a start, I was not appealing for any "sympathy" from any quarter.

But if any person thinks that Onyango Oloo will tolerate abuse and harassment "privately" then they have another think coming.


Incidentally, it is not just Sadik who is among the members and ex-members of Jukwaa who continue to fill my in box with similar junk. I consciously decided to expose Sadik in the hope that it will discourage some of YOU who are ALREADY sending me similar unsolicited mail or may choose to do so in the future.

This is not the first time I am going through this.

For almost SEVEN years, when I was active on other Kenyan online forums I was subjected to stalking and other horrendous acts by strangers I met on the internet who felt it was OK to shower me with abuse just because I posted things in my own name and was quite vocal.


Here is what I wrote about that particular stalker:

onyangooloo.blogspot.com/2005/02/on-being-stalked-by-jackass.html

[babawatoto]

Oloo, with respect, it seems that you are not trying to understand the crux of concerns that some of us have.

I think we are all aware that you have someone communicating with you in a way that you apparently are not happy with. What is of issue is that you have perosnally decided what should be private and what should not. I would understand it if the content is so illegal and bad that it would warrant it being public but someone criticizing you is far from that.

In your role as an adminsitrator of a 'public' forum, you have the responsibility of trust and you seem to have broken that rust that we placed with you when we signed up to join Jukwaa.

What if I send you a critique of your writing and do so with my real name & info. If you find offense with it will you out me in public ? How can I be assured that you ( wqith all the information yo possibly have on people) can be an honest and trustworthy administrator ?

The issue at hand here is not that you are being communicated to by someone not happy with your actions, but rather how you have reacted to it and put his/your business out in the open. Based on what I read, it really does not seem like it is anything other than an honest critique of your policies.

As has been mentioned bu someone, BLOCK HIS EMAIL and move on. Stop this childishness of snitching and 'telling on' , its unbecoming of a grown man.

Aug 2, 2012 4:42:58 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Aug 1, 2012 22:02:59 GMT 3 enigma said:

Oloo,

This is indeed very worrying. If the new front in probity and accountability is publishing private correspondence then am afraid we are staring at a lost generation of reformers. In an instant you have lost cred and you are digging deeper.

Enigma, Mukhwasi and Baba Watoto:

Why am I not surprised at your flippant callousness?

For a start, I was not appealing for any "sympathy" from any quarter.

But if any person thinks that Onyango Oloo will tolerate abuse and harassment "privately" then they have another think coming.


Incidentally, it is not just Sadik who is among the members and ex-members of Jukwaa who continue to fill my in box with similar junk. I consciously decided to expose Sadik in the hope that it will discourage some of YOU who are ALREADY sending me similar unsolicited mail or may choose to do so in the future.

This is not the first time I am going through this.

For almost SEVEN years, when I was active on other Kenyan online forums I was subjected to stalking and other horrendous acts by strangers I met on the internet who felt it was OK to shower me with abuse just because I posted things in my own name and was quite vocal.


Here is what I wrote about that particular stalker:

onyangooloo.blogspot.com/2005/02/on-being-stalked-by-jackass.html

[Deleted]

Aug 1, 2012 17:42:44 GMT 3 @babawatoto said:

Bwana Oloo,

I think your communication with Sadik should not be made public as you have. If you have an issue with his emails to you, I dont see how 'outing' him here is of any relevance ?
There seems to be a growing and concerning airing of private affairs in jukwaa.
While I do not condone any intolerant behavior, I also do not agree with the publishing of apparently private emails in public. If you were so concerned, why did you not reach out to Kenya's finest ?
You being the 'gatekeeper' of Jukwaa, are treading a fine line with the issue of privacy.

just because Oloo administers this board doesn't give license to people to "follow" him outside of this forum unless he OKs that. I for one do not appreciate people tracking me down on other forums such as facebook to send me unwelcomed messages. it's OK for someone to ask to be friends,but it's up to me to accept or ignore the request. I had wilsonel/kichwa or whatever handles he used @ jukwaa track me down on facebook. this after I'd told him that I do not appreciate private emails from him that do not pertain to jukwaa and even then there are limits. not only did he send a friend request, when i ignored it he proceeded to somehow enter my facebook and haul insults at me. i did warn him that i'd report him to face book at which point i got more insults. thankfully he has stopped now perhaps ignoring him worked.

[babawatoto]

Thank you for your simplistic explanation, but you still fail to see the point. AGREED that stalkers and crazies should not be tolerated BUT HOW CAN YOU decide to post someone's PRIVATE communication to you on a forum that he or she was on just recently and claim it is stalking when it appears it is just someone trying to find out the reasons for his banishment ?
Couldnt Oloo just ignore his emails or block them off ? What good is posting his emails here ? All it does is paint Oloo as a dishonest, untrustworthy and coniving person.

For Oloo then to come and threaten to 'out' me ati because he suspects that I am someone else on RCB is ludicrous to say the least.
You for apparent reasons have no objectivity in any matters in Jukwaa anyway so I may as well be preaching to the choir.

All I can say is Jukwaa/Oloo is treading on dangerous ground when one cannot criticize the Almighty Leader and feel that one's personal information will be posted on one of his many blogs to embarass someone.

Shameful tactics.

Aug 2, 2012 21:36:56 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

Aug 1, 2012 17:42:44 GMT 3 @babawatoto said:

Bwana Oloo,

I think your communication with Sadik should not be made public as you have. If you have an issue with his emails to you, I dont see how 'outing' him here is of any relevance ?
There seems to be a growing and concerning airing of private affairs in jukwaa.
While I do not condone any intolerant behavior, I also do not agree with the publishing of apparently private emails in public. If you were so concerned, why did you not reach out to Kenya's finest ?
You being the 'gatekeeper' of Jukwaa, are treading a fine line with the issue of privacy.

just because Oloo administers this board doesn't give license to people to "follow" him outside of this forum unless he OKs that. I for one do not appreciate people tracking me down on other forums such as facebook to send me unwelcomed messages. it's OK for someone to ask to be friends,but it's up to me to accept or ignore the request. I had wilsonel/kichwa or whatever handles he used @ jukwaa track me down on facebook. this after I'd told him that I do not appreciate private emails from him that do not pertain to jukwaa and even then there are limits. not only did he send a friend request, when i ignored it he proceeded to somehow enter my facebook and haul insults at me. i did warn him that i'd report him to face book at which point i got more insults. thankfully he has stopped now perhaps ignoring him worked.

[morimax]

Aug 2, 2012 21:36:56 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

Aug 1, 2012 17:42:44 GMT 3 @babawatoto said:

Bwana Oloo,

I think your communication with Sadik should not be made public as you have. If you have an issue with his emails to you, I dont see how 'outing' him here is of any relevance ?
There seems to be a growing and concerning airing of private affairs in jukwaa.
While I do not condone any intolerant behavior, I also do not agree with the publishing of apparently private emails in public. If you were so concerned, why did you not reach out to Kenya's finest ?
You being the 'gatekeeper' of Jukwaa, are treading a fine line with the issue of privacy.

just because Oloo administers this board doesn't give license to people to "follow" him outside of this forum unless he OKs that. I for one do not appreciate people tracking me down on other forums such as facebook to send me unwelcomed messages. it's OK for someone to ask to be friends,but it's up to me to accept or ignore the request. I had wilsonel/kichwa or whatever handles he used @ jukwaa track me down on facebook. this after I'd told him that I do not appreciate private emails from him that do not pertain to jukwaa and even then there are limits. not only did he send a friend request, when i ignored it he proceeded to somehow enter my facebook and haul insults at me. i did warn him that i'd report him to face book at which point i got more insults. thankfully he has stopped now perhaps ignoring him worked.

Kathure

I wish and hope that Oloo admin. may learn from your experience, and solve his problem with Sadik, without casting doubt on his integrity to maintain privacy policy. Many jukwaa subscribers may have concerns with the issue.

From the scripts of the email exchange between Oloo and Sadik, at least Oloo hasn't warned this guy to stop, but rather he has been enabling Sadik to respond more, by appreciating his rants. Oloo warn the man or woman, ignore him or take legal action. do not threaten by violating privacy policy. That is immature.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2012 21:52:38 GMT 3 @babawatoto said:

Thank you for your simplistic explanation, but you still fail to see the point. AGREED that stalkers and crazies should not be tolerated BUT HOW CAN YOU decide to post someone's PRIVATE communication to you on a forum that he or she was on just recently and claim it is stalking when it appears it is just someone trying to find out the reasons for his banishment ?
Couldnt Oloo just ignore his emails or block them off ? What good is posting his emails here ? All it does is paint Oloo as a dishonest, untrustworthy and coniving person.

For Oloo then to come and threaten to 'out' me ati because he suspects that I am someone else on RCB is ludicrous to say the least.
You for apparent reasons have no objectivity in any matters in Jukwaa anyway so I may as well be preaching to the choir.

All I can say is Jukwaa/Oloo is treading on dangerous ground when one cannot criticize the Almighty Leader and feel that one's personal information will be posted on one of his many blogs to embarass someone.

Shameful tactics.

Aug 2, 2012 21:36:56 GMT 3 @kathurekebaara41 said:

just because Oloo administers this board doesn't give license to people to "follow" him outside of this forum unless he OKs that. I for one do not appreciate people tracking me down on other forums such as facebook to send me unwelcomed messages. it's OK for someone to ask to be friends,but it's up to me to accept or ignore the request. I had wilsonel/kichwa or whatever handles he used @ jukwaa track me down on facebook. this after I'd told him that I do not appreciate private emails from him that do not pertain to jukwaa and even then there are limits. not only did he send a friend request, when i ignored it he proceeded to somehow enter my facebook and haul insults at me. i did warn him that i'd report him to face book at which point i got more insults. thankfully he has stopped now perhaps ignoring him worked.

send me crazy emails and see if i will not put them up here for all to see. if you find that dictatorial, then go elsewhere. i don't go to places like mashada because I find them distasteful. You're spinning the issue to make it one of lack of democracy on this forum and a violation of privacy.
I was going to copy here the msg sent to me @ facebook but got busy and time passed and I Iet it be since stalker left me alone. how he could access my facebook, you tell me and how would that ever be OK?

[mank]

Aug 1, 2012 10:10:40 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Many of you remember Sadik, the ex Jukwaa member that I kicked out some months ago.

Well, he has been sending me unsolicited mail for quite some time now.

I don't really know what to make of it or where he is going with it.

I am just sharing it all here to get your input even as I decide what actions to take:


karma!
Inbox

Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM
To: [e-mail]

Onyango Oloo

This is Sadik, who you unceremoniously threw out of Jukwaa.

I have kept away from the Kenyan scene for sometime and was very surprised and mystified to read of the ongoing topical turmoil surrounding Miguna. In Jukwaa, I take it you seem to be in the thick of it. Your wife or was it ex-wife seems to be fighting your battle for you! By the way I picked your email from your 'book review' on the Daily Nation, in case you thought I was stalking you.

You kicked me out of Jukwaa because a mob of Luos including your dear friends felt uncomfortable with my truthful insightful posting. I wrote about the mob mentality of the Luos and the sheer fact that blind loyalty is threat to all of us. In Jukwaa, the Luo mob constantly ganged up against me with insults. Nothing happened to them. But, when I reacted to their provocation, I was usually admonished. Indeed, it reached a point where I could not post anything without getting serious backlash. My contribution were religiously rubbished without any tangible sensible rebuttal. Again when I raised my concerned I was treated flippantly in a demeaning way. It was a case of calling on hounds on me every time I surfaced. As consequent I called them names and kapoon I was kicked out.

I am not writing this to seek re-admission. I have moved on from Jukwaa. But, I write to let you know that Karma is a good thing. They say what goes round, comes round. It is your turn to face your wicked haters, now, so that you feel the pain and mystery inflicted on others.

You see Oloo, I am a humble soul not like the people you prostitute yourself to, who buy you a drink or lunch in order to seek your patronage. I don't believe in favouritism, however you disguise it ! I treasure objectivity and trust the best analysis are written divorced and remote from bias. You on the other hand dwell in partisan subjectivity and mortal worship. You are so cooked up about growing up in Mombasa but forgot that you are inside a typical Jaluo. We met once in company of others where you were stumping and since then I stayed stiff because I wanted to deal with you at arm's length. And true to your allegiances, when push came to shove, you belittled me not even wanted to hear my side and when pressed by those who threw you a bone (drink/lunch) you without hesitation slaughter my person in Jukwaa. To add insults to injury, you even kicked me out with a person whose credentials of hate was well known. I had argued furiously with him before you kicked us out. Had I bought you a drink or lunch, I'm certain you wouldn't have mistreated me.

So long, I leave you to seek comfort from you wife, or is it ex, from who I will probably hear.

Sadik.

Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:32 AM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]

Thanks Sadik.

Nice hearing from you.

Have yourself a good day.

Onyango Oloo


Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:12 PM
To: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>

Oloo

Whilst reading Miguna's book, I almost fell off my seat when at page 561 I came across the following gratituous expression to you,

" My Comrade Onyango Oloo has demonstrated over and again, what true friendship means and that we must practice what we preach if we are serious about the commitment we proclaim."

The first part maybe right, only maybe, but the second part is definitely incorrect. You never practice what you preach. If anything, you the worse hypocrite I have known.

Sadik.




Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>

Sadik:

I commend you for sharing your unvarnished, honest opinion with me

I appreciate that very much.

Keep well.

Onyango Oloo

Sadik Noor
<[e-mail]> Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:54 PM
To: Onyango Oloo <[e-mail]>


Oloo

Karma is biting you at the derrière! I laughed loud when I read your exchanges with Job/Adongo, and previously with Einstein, et al. Once upon time your revered Luo members were 'untouchable', all supporting 'Jakom', now they cannibalised you in public. How shameful! You made your bed, now kindly lay on it.

Sadik.


Onyango Oloo
<[e-mail]> Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM
To: Sadik Noor <[e-mail]>
Cc: "onyango. oloo" <[e-mail]>

Sadik:

How long do you want to keep this up before it degenerates into stalking?

Oloo,

I find this thread rather bothersome. For one, I would rather have had Sadiq on this forum. But the decision to kick or retain is yours, and I respect it. What bothers me is that Sadiq is not here to say anything on the topic. If you really wanted to discuss this on the forum it would have been noble to invite him back with full disclosure that his invitation was so he would be around when this staff is being posted. I hate seeing a shackled and fallen guy being kicked in the teeth, and this is what this thread invites.

[Luol Deng]

I think some things are better handled in private and this is one of them.

[abdulmote]

"Children of the fifth monkey..." comes to mind.

Regretably this is sad.

Time to pull back and ponder.

Oloo is right...but I also think he was wrong. Just go back at the beginning, ask yourself questions as you come along...and you may just get to see where I am coming from.

It was all started by Miguna...and now anarchy is blinding us. We certainly can do better, if we only we can take time to think.

Jukwaa is our 'second home' and so we cannot abandon it!

Let us not become victims of peeling our own masks.

I will expound if time allows.

May peace be upon you all.

[Onyango Oloo]

Very simple question:

Over the last seven years, hundreds of people have joined this forum. I have met dozens of you in person, outside Jukwaa.

Can ONE PERSON, JUST ONE step forward and demonstrate that I have revealed their information to anyone?

I have moved on, reiterating:

YOU ABUSE ME PRIVATELY, I WILL EXPOSE YOU PUBLICLY.

Onyango Oloo