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Post by kamalet on Aug 6, 2012 13:14:15 GMT 3
Looks like Baraza is in trouble...
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Post by kamalet on Aug 6, 2012 13:29:46 GMT 3
..finding of gross misconduct and recommendation that Baraza be removed from office!!!!
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Post by b6k on Aug 6, 2012 13:38:42 GMT 3
..finding of gross misconduct and recommendation that Baraza be removed from office!!!! Moraa vindicated! Kweli this is the Kenya we want. At this stage it remains a recommendation though. It's up to the appointing authority to sack her ;D |
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Post by genius on Aug 6, 2012 13:47:27 GMT 3
A few months will have passed from the time of her misconduct incident and the time the President will finally sack her. I sincerely hope she took advantage of the heads up she was given and used the salary she earned in these months wisely, investing it well.
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Post by Luol Deng on Aug 6, 2012 15:12:45 GMT 3
She was intoxicated with power. This led to the end of her career before it even started. I have to put a disclaimer that I wasn't her fan from day 1.
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Post by man on Aug 6, 2012 16:47:46 GMT 3
Ili iwe funzo kwake na kwa wengine wenye tabiya kama hiyo.
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Post by machoman on Aug 6, 2012 17:01:40 GMT 3
If she knows Pippo she just might be able to keep her job
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Post by job on Aug 6, 2012 22:10:15 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000063515&story_title=Exposed:-Baraza%E2%80%99s-lies President Kibaki receives the Baraza report from former Tanzanian CJ Augustino RamadhanWhat a sad exit from the Supreme Court for someone who played such a big role in passage of the new Constitution (during the CKRC process). It is safe to state Nancy Baraza not only let herself down, but also disappointed many progressive Kenyans who were counting on her presence in the Supreme Court bench. She suffers additional ignominy that the second allegation (brandishing a gun towards Moraa; threatening to shoot and kill) was proven by this tribunal. That is troubling as it depicts her temperament in terrible light. It is likely to remain a permanent stain in her future prospects anywhere in the public arena. I don't know if she'll try an appeal - via Supreme Court. The result might be the same; painfully coming from her erstwhile bench colleagues. As to Moraa, an apology (from me) is in order. For JUKWAA's record, I was among those who cynically treated her gun-brandishing allegation with skepticism. That was probably influenced by the more-than-keen interest I observed in this matter from certain quarters (Police/DPP/AG). I suspected politics (of reconstituting the Supreme Court bench) was at play. It proved otherwise; hence the regret. I will now wait to see whether Moraa will let it end here; or go for a civil suit. The fact that both sides tried settling the issue for millions of shillings is disturbing too - with Moraa demanding Sh 10 million, Baraza pleading to pay 3.5 million. Watching keenly to see what the DPP does on the criminal side. Maajabu kweli!
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Post by tnk on Aug 7, 2012 2:20:37 GMT 3
wow
what a disgraceful end
i guess now its baraza who knows people (especially the little people)
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 7, 2012 4:55:00 GMT 3
a precedent has been set, we expect the same standards in future.
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 7, 2012 5:40:11 GMT 3
I will now wait to see whether Moraa will let it end here; or go for a civil suit. The fact that both sides tried settling the issue for millions of shillings is disturbing too - with Moraa demanding Sh 10 million, Baraza pleading to pay 3.5 million. Watching keenly to see what the DPP does on the criminal side. Maajabu kweli!The Pinched Lady will likely not quit at this stage. I imagine that she sees the judge as now being more able to see a clear path from 3.5 to 10 and beyond. AG/DPP lot will only too happily press charges against a person they have always seen as being on the other side. All in all, a tradey of some sorts, and not just for N. Baraza. |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 7, 2012 8:50:23 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000063515&story_title=Exposed:-Baraza%E2%80%99s-liesPresident Kibaki receives the Baraza report from former Tanzanian CJ Augustino RamadhanWhat a sad exit from the Supreme Court for someone who played such a big role in passage of the new Constitution (during the CKRC process). It is safe to state Nancy Baraza not only let herself down, but also disappointed many progressive Kenyans who were counting on her presence in the Supreme Court bench. She suffers additional ignominy that the second allegation (brandishing a gun towards Moraa; threatening to shoot and kill) was proven by this tribunal. That is troubling as it depicts her temperament in terrible light. It is likely to remain a permanent stain in her future prospects anywhere in the public arena. I don't know if she'll try an appeal - via Supreme Court. The result might be the same; painfully coming from her erstwhile bench colleagues. As to Moraa, an apology (from me) is in order. For JUKWAA's record, I was among those who cynically treated her gun-brandishing allegation with skepticism. That was probably influenced by the more-than-keen interest I observed in this matter from certain quarters (Police/DPP/AG). I suspected politics (of reconstituting the Supreme Court bench) was at play. It proved otherwise; hence the regret. I will now wait to see whether Moraa will let it end here; or go for a civil suit. The fact that both sides tried settling the issue for millions of shillings is disturbing too - with Moraa demanding Sh 10 million, Baraza pleading to pay 3.5 million. Watching keenly to see what the DPP does on the criminal side. Maajabu kweli! Good man for this apology! That was a good thing to do. To be honest I had set aside time to dig up your previous comments and I now can say with your comments here, Jukwaa is a winner! Kamalet PS. Phil that is how people deal with mistakes! |
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Post by mugabe on Aug 7, 2012 13:07:48 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000063515&story_title=Exposed:-Baraza%E2%80%99s-liesPresident Kibaki receives the Baraza report from former Tanzanian CJ Augustino RamadhanWhat a sad exit from the Supreme Court for someone who played such a big role in passage of the new Constitution (during the CKRC process). It is safe to state Nancy Baraza not only let herself down, but also disappointed many progressive Kenyans who were counting on her presence in the Supreme Court bench. She suffers additional ignominy that the second allegation (brandishing a gun towards Moraa; threatening to shoot and kill) was proven by this tribunal. That is troubling as it depicts her temperament in terrible light. It is likely to remain a permanent stain in her future prospects anywhere in the public arena. I don't know if she'll try an appeal - via Supreme Court. The result might be the same; painfully coming from her erstwhile bench colleagues. As to Moraa, an apology (from me) is in order. For JUKWAA's record, I was among those who cynically treated her gun-brandishing allegation with skepticism. That was probably influenced by the more-than-keen interest I observed in this matter from certain quarters (Police/DPP/AG). I suspected politics (of reconstituting the Supreme Court bench) was at play. It proved otherwise; hence the regret. I will now wait to see whether Moraa will let it end here; or go for a civil suit. The fact that both sides tried settling the issue for millions of shillings is disturbing too - with Moraa demanding Sh 10 million, Baraza pleading to pay 3.5 million. Watching keenly to see what the DPP does on the criminal side. Maajabu kweli! Good man for this apology! That was a good thing to do. To be honest I had set aside time to dig up your previous comments and I now can say with your comments here, Jukwaa is a winner! Kamalet PS. Phil that is how people deal with mistakes! ;D Kamale have you like Phil also had your mea culpa moment here on Jukwaa? My impression is that your steadfast defense of impunity is remorseless. |
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Post by mugabe on Aug 7, 2012 13:09:58 GMT 3
a precedent has been set, we expect the same standards in future. I agree fully. Lets have the same standards applied in the future regardless of the tribe of the judge and the tribe of the guard. |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 7, 2012 13:38:31 GMT 3
JobGood man for this apology! That was a good thing to do. To be honest I had set aside time to dig up your previous comments and I now can say with your comments here, Jukwaa is a winner! Kamalet PS. Phil that is how people deal with mistakes! ;D Kamale have you like Phil also had your mea culpa moment here on Jukwaa? My impression is that your steadfast defense of impunity is remorseless. Mugabe You will be happy to know that I actually do apologise for my goofs here! Kamale |
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Post by phil on Aug 7, 2012 14:10:49 GMT 3
PS. Phil that is how people deal with mistakes! And what exactly is my mistake Mr. Kamalet? That whilst talking in parables at the rally Raila was alluding to Miguna's book? Why Miguna and not Ruto or Mudavadi, or even ICC-witness-wannabe Tony Gacoka; ALL of whom have acrimoniously parted ways with the PM in the recent past. I was personally at the Kibera Rally and not one speaker mentioned Miguna or his book by name. No one even talked about the wild allegations in the book. There were many speakers. I arrived at Kamkunji at midday and did not leave till 6pm. If you guys want to put words into Raila's mouth, I wont. And again, I also wont apologise for equating to idiots those who believe Raila was talking about Miguna as a madman. Without even bothering to check that I had already posted an uncensored video clip from Kibera where people were being interviewed on their opinion of the Miguna book long before the Kamukunji Rally, one idiotic Jukwaaist even went as far as suggesting that Raila told people at the rally in Kamukunji not to read the peeling book. That is the same nonsense we were told during the constitutional campaigns, that Raila had already read the constitution on our behalf and therefore we needed not to read it. Idiotic? You bet! |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 7, 2012 14:44:32 GMT 3
Phil
Please try and take responsibility of your statements!!
Take a look at this post by Podp:
[quote author=podp board=general thread=7183 post=104142 time=1344190915
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera
He said kitendawili
Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini?
He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu?
He concluded kitendawili by saying.
Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu
So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man!
On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken.
[/quote]
in a fit of anger this is what you wrote:
[quote author=phil board=general thread=7183 post=104144 time=1344198322
How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally?
Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author.[/quote]
You are equivocal on two things:
1. The alleged kitendawili was never uttered
2. The name of the author (Miguna) was also not uttered.
I suggested that it is possible that even being at the rally you could not claim to have heard every word uttered at the rally and missing some of the words is perfectly human.
so the clip showing the words being uttered was posted - at least that meant that you were wron in asserting that the words had never been uttered:
as regards the inference that he was talking about Miguna - and yes his name many not have been mentioned - rather than calling people idiots, you did not even try to help put matters in perspective as an attendant of the rally that Raila was not talking about Miguna! In any case the media reporter clearly says that Raila was talking about Miguna and in the kitendawili - now go and listen at 0:47 about an angry man!!!
So, if you are not big enough to apologise, there is the evidence for you!
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Post by roughrider on Aug 7, 2012 14:57:36 GMT 3
I agree with Phil. I have looked at the exchanges. There is no evidence that Raila was talking specifically about Muguna. This is the interpretation of Podp or the reporter.
And Raila has used this particular parable many times before. Of course everyone is entitled to their own interpretation as long as they distinguish it as their view instead of putting words into people's mouths.
Phil - you have nothing to apologize for.
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Post by phil on Aug 7, 2012 15:03:45 GMT 3
Phil Please try and take responsibility of your statements!! Take a look at this post by Podp: [quote author=podp board=general thread=7183 post=104142 time=1344190915 RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili
Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini?
He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu?
He concluded kitendawili by saying.
Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimuSo RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. in a fit of anger this is what you wrote: [quote author=phil board=general thread=7183 post=104144 time=1344198322 How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author.[/quote] You are equivocal on two things: 1. The alleged kitendawili was never uttered 2. The name of the author (Miguna) was also not uttered. I suggested that it is possible that even being at the rally you could not claim to have heard every word uttered at the rally and missing some of the words is perfectly human. so the clip showing the words being uttered was posted - at least that meant that you were wron in asserting that the words had never been uttered: [/quote] as regards the inference that he was talking about Miguna - and yes his name many not have been mentioned - rather than calling people idiots, you did not even try to help put matters in perspective as an attendant of the rally that Raila was not talking about Miguna! In any case the media reporter clearly says that Raila was talking about Miguna and in the kitendawili - now go and listen at 0:47 about an angry man!!! So, if you are not big enough to apologise, there is the evidence for you![/quote] KamaleI did not post what you quote above. In your trademark confusion of trying to save face you become even more mixed up. Nonetheless, that clip is only 2 minutes while Raila's speech I estimate lasted 20 minutes. The kitendawili was about a river bath and a mad man taking off with clothes of the bathing individual. And it was towards the end of the speech. So what are you trying to prove? Suddenly it is the media reporter that you all base your knowledge of goings on at the rally. The clip did not help you, did it? This is so typical of you. Now that is the media reporter who claims it, then it is that media reporter and those who chose to believe him/her who emerge out of all this as idiots. And then your bizarre demand that I aplogise for telling you Miguna was never mentioned and that anyone who claims he did is an idiot. You are really gonna wait for that. If you want to know what is said at a political rally then the onus is on you to attend that rally. But I am not obligated whatsoever to report to Jukwaa what goes on in ODM rallies. If you want to follow and believe the selected garbage in Kenyan press, shauri yako. |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 7, 2012 15:13:01 GMT 3
Phil are you actually saying that you did not write these words: "Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author"RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. I have highlighted what we are quarreling about! |
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Post by b6k on Aug 7, 2012 17:44:46 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 7, 2012 21:26:50 GMT 3
Phil are you actually saying that you did not write these words: "Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author"How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. For those who just happen to be browsing past, here is the genesis of the CJ Baraza bad blood that still poisons the air. Since then the august members Tactician and Gen. Kunadawa have perished. DEPUTY CJ BARAZA PULLS GUN AT SHOPPING CENTER jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6340&page=1 |
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Post by einstein on Aug 7, 2012 23:44:43 GMT 3
Yeah, an altercation between two women at a marketplace has found its tragic end.
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Post by jeff on Aug 8, 2012 16:30:56 GMT 3
Suspended DCJ Nancy Baraza to face assault charges after DPP Keriako Tobiko approves her prosecution over village market incident.
And more drama as
Suspended Deputy Chief Justice Nancy Baraza to file appeal tomorrow on tribunal's verdict recommending her sacking from the judiciary
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Post by kamalet on Aug 8, 2012 17:44:59 GMT 3
Now the tricky bits about this appeal which can only be heard by the supreme court.
I am perhaps wrong from a legal point of view so happy for anyone to correct me!
Baraza will ask for Mutunga to disqualify himself as he sat in the JSC that recommended her suspension and appointment of a tribunal by the president.
With her out of the way and the Ibrahim fellow having been shown the door, if Mutunga recuses himself then that would leave a 4 judge bench leaving the supreme court without a quorum which means that she can stay suspended for a long time earning half pay as she waits for sufficient quorum!
I can imagine her devious mind going like you 'eff with me I show you middle finger and 'eff you too!
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