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Post by emali on Aug 15, 2012 13:35:23 GMT 3
Will Uhuru and Ruto contest in the coming elections…I don’t think so, I found the below article by Aly Khan very appropriate… WHAT DID HILLARY CLINTON SAY?It is crystal clear that Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has specifically ‘requested’ that Neither Mr.Kenyatta nor Mr. Ruto should be on the ballot box in March. “The US Secretary of State has told the government that Mr Kenyatta and I are not supposed to run. She has also hinted that America will impose sanctions on us if we participate in the polls and win. This is dictatorship,” said Mr. Ruto.“It is not for foreigners nor for the courts to decide who should vie for the presidency, it is up to the over 40 million Kenyans,” said Mr. Kenyatta. The questions that an investor [both Local and International] need to ask; 1. Will either be on the ballot? 2. Do either have a chance of winning? 3. What will be the consequences and the blowback? 4. Is the national interest something higher than thecandidacy of either? The question of sovereignty is actually a red herring.If you are popping a lot of qualudes then maybe, you believe we are entirely sovereign. The world is all about the power equation and I am afraid we are a tiny little tadpole swimming with the sharks. The consequences of going toe to toe with the US, is to be seen in the end of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. And that end flashed around the world on Twitter, YouTube and the mobile phone. Today, the US has pointed an enormous amount of hard power at its other nemesis Ayatollah Khamenei. Iran is cut off from SWIFT, they can only trade by barter. Iran has over $100b in reserves. We have between 1%-2% of that.The US does not countenance peer competitors. Any student of Geopolitics can tell you that. Are we even a peer competitor? If you look back over the last century of American power, you will notice that its been all about access to hydrocarbons. I have mentioned for a while that I believe the last energy prize in this c21st of ours, is right here on the Eastern seaboard of Africa. The resource runs from Maputo through Mogadishu and all points in between. Apache Corp announced Friday that they are going to start to drilling off shore; “Spudding is imminent,” Barry Rushworth, CEO of Pancontinental Oil and Gas, one of Apache’s partners with a stake in the block, said in an email to Reuters. The United States is not going to walk away and China might have bucketloads of cash but they do not have the hard power to protect our backs. In fact, the US has begun to encircle China.The consequences of being sanctioned by the United States are simply unconcionable. The economy will crater. Shares go up and down and readers are advised that this column represents Mr Satchu’s personal opinions. www.rich.co.ke/media/docs/036NSX1308-2.pdf |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 15, 2012 13:47:46 GMT 3
Will Uhuru and Ruto contest in the coming elections…I don’t think so, I found the below article by Aly Khan very appropriate… WHAT DID HILLARY CLINTON SAY?It is crystal clear that Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has specifically ‘requested’ that Neither Mr.Kenyatta nor Mr. Ruto should be on the ballot box in March. “The US Secretary of State has told the government that Mr Kenyatta and I are not supposed to run. She has also hinted that America will impose sanctions on us if we participate in the polls and win. This is dictatorship,” said Mr. Ruto.“It is not for foreigners nor for the courts to decide who should vie for the presidency, it is up to the over 40 million Kenyans,” said Mr. Kenyatta. The questions that an investor [both Local and International] need to ask; 1. Will either be on the ballot? 2. Do either have a chance of winning? 3. What will be the consequences and the blowback? 4. Is the national interest something higher than thecandidacy of either? The question of sovereignty is actually a red herring.If you are popping a lot of qualudes then maybe, you believe we are entirely sovereign. The world is all about the power equation and I am afraid we are a tiny little tadpole swimming with the sharks. The consequences of going toe to toe with the US, is to be seen in the end of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. And that end flashed around the world on Twitter, YouTube and the mobile phone. Today, the US has pointed an enormous amount of hard power at its other nemesis Ayatollah Khamenei. Iran is cut off from SWIFT, they can only trade by barter. Iran has over $100b in reserves. We have between 1%-2% of that.The US does not countenance peer competitors. Any student of Geopolitics can tell you that. Are we even a peer competitor? If you look back over the last century of American power, you will notice that its been all about access to hydrocarbons. I have mentioned for a while that I believe the last energy prize in this c21st of ours, is right here on the Eastern seaboard of Africa. The resource runs from Maputo through Mogadishu and all points in between. Apache Corp announced Friday that they are going to start to drilling off shore; “Spudding is imminent,” Barry Rushworth, CEO of Pancontinental Oil and Gas, one of Apache’s partners with a stake in the block, said in an email to Reuters. The United States is not going to walk away and China might have bucketloads of cash but they do not have the hard power to protect our backs. In fact, the US has begun to encircle China.The consequences of being sanctioned by the United States are simply unconcionable. The economy will crater. Shares go up and down and readers are advised that this column represents Mr Satchu’s personal opinions. www.rich.co.ke/media/docs/036NSX1308-2.pdfEmali So you are saying that if Uhuru or Ruto were on the ballot and either LEGITIMATELY won in a free and fair election the wishes of Kenyans should not be respected for the simple reason Uncle Sam does not like either of the two? So like a poor dog - tail between its leg we should kow tow what the americans tell us or we will starve? I beg to differ. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 15, 2012 13:59:54 GMT 3
Hillary Clinton stated the obvious. Mr Tantrum Ruto is wasting time payukaring on the matter. Except for the new arrivals from Planet Mars, it should be obvious that if one or both of the Hague suspects become our presidents and/or deputies, by whatever means, including being democratically elected, they will be unable to run the country because they will be held up at The Hague for years. Nobody can run Kenya from the Hague, I don't care who you are and it matters little how much the crooks in power water down the Integrity Bill.
The only way the Hague suspects can run Kenya is to do a Bashir move and render Kenya a pariah state.
We have said here many times that if and when Kenya becomes a pariah state we will face crippling sanctions from all over the world, specifically with regard to the US and EU. That is just an obvious fact we will have to face as a country. It is precisely the reason Kibaki has been unable to pull any tricks, dump the ICC and save his boys specifically Uhuru and Muthaura.
The consequences of being a pariah state will be grave and devastating to all Kenyans including those who profess to love the Hague suspects.
That is also the exact reason why a section of the Kikuyu elites including some linked to State House were willing to gamble with Mudavadi as an option. The trouble for them is Uhuru refused to buy into the project because it means his ass will be at The Hague for a long time. Uhuru would accept the deal if Kibaki was to pull out of the ICC and move the country into a pariah status right now. Kibaki is too chicken to do that and Uhuru has told them to get lost with their Mudavadi and hence the endless merry go around about " a united front" against Raila.
But there is still hope of stopping Raila. Apparently he did not finish his primary education in Maranda. Let them work on that for a while.
As far as the Hillary Clinton issue is concerned, she simply told us the truth.Obviously some of us cannot handle the truth. That is their problem and not that or the US Secretary of State, Ms Hillary Clinton.
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Post by emali on Aug 15, 2012 14:11:02 GMT 3
Will Uhuru and Ruto contest in the coming elections…I don’t think so, I found the below article by Aly Khan very appropriate… WHAT DID HILLARY CLINTON SAY?It is crystal clear that Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has specifically ‘requested’ that Neither Mr.Kenyatta nor Mr. Ruto should be on the ballot box in March. “The US Secretary of State has told the government that Mr Kenyatta and I are not supposed to run. She has also hinted that America will impose sanctions on us if we participate in the polls and win. This is dictatorship,” said Mr. Ruto.“It is not for foreigners nor for the courts to decide who should vie for the presidency, it is up to the over 40 million Kenyans,” said Mr. Kenyatta. The questions that an investor [both Local and International] need to ask; 1. Will either be on the ballot? 2. Do either have a chance of winning? 3. What will be the consequences and the blowback? 4. Is the national interest something higher than thecandidacy of either? The question of sovereignty is actually a red herring.If you are popping a lot of qualudes then maybe, you believe we are entirely sovereign. The world is all about the power equation and I am afraid we are a tiny little tadpole swimming with the sharks. The consequences of going toe to toe with the US, is to be seen in the end of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. And that end flashed around the world on Twitter, YouTube and the mobile phone. Today, the US has pointed an enormous amount of hard power at its other nemesis Ayatollah Khamenei. Iran is cut off from SWIFT, they can only trade by barter. Iran has over $100b in reserves. We have between 1%-2% of that.The US does not countenance peer competitors. Any student of Geopolitics can tell you that. Are we even a peer competitor? If you look back over the last century of American power, you will notice that its been all about access to hydrocarbons. I have mentioned for a while that I believe the last energy prize in this c21st of ours, is right here on the Eastern seaboard of Africa. The resource runs from Maputo through Mogadishu and all points in between. Apache Corp announced Friday that they are going to start to drilling off shore; “Spudding is imminent,” Barry Rushworth, CEO of Pancontinental Oil and Gas, one of Apache’s partners with a stake in the block, said in an email to Reuters. The United States is not going to walk away and China might have bucketloads of cash but they do not have the hard power to protect our backs. In fact, the US has begun to encircle China.The consequences of being sanctioned by the United States are simply unconcionable. The economy will crater. Shares go up and down and readers are advised that this column represents Mr Satchu’s personal opinions. www.rich.co.ke/media/docs/036NSX1308-2.pdfEmali So you are saying that if Uhuru or Ruto were on the ballot and either LEGITIMATELY won in a free and fair election the wishes of Kenyans should not be respected for the simple reason Uncle Sam does not like either of the two? So like a poor dog - tail between its leg we should kow tow what the americans tell us or we will starve? I beg to differ. No I’m not saying that...Uhuruto are accused of crimes against humanity and they want to be our next PORK, they have gallivanted the entire nation on a hate campaign, they have a significant amount of people genuflecting in their presence (what value have they added to the country?) and their interests are busy mutilating the new constitution to allow them to run and take us back another twenty years...that’s what I’m saying... They may be innocent but they seem to think they can manipulate everyone...their hubris alone is suffocating and their current status is completely of their own making... If an external force e.g. ICC (political court or not) or the U.S secretary of state can stop them there are on my side...the alternatives for PORK are all more palatable to me... so for me its ABUR (anyone but Uhuruto)... If they won LEGITIMATELY I will watch their inauguration...Kibaki also won LEGITIMATELY...we are used to LEGITIMATELY...maisha itaendelea... |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 15, 2012 14:45:17 GMT 3
Hillary Clinton stated the obvious. Mr Tantrum Ruto is wasting time payukaring on the matter. Except for the new arrivals from Planet Mars, it should be obvious that if one or both of the Hague suspects become our presidents and/or deputies, by whatever means, including being democratically elected, they will be unable to run the country because they will be held up at The Hague for years. Nobody can run Kenya from the Hague, I don't care who you are and it matters little how much the crooks in power water down the Integrity Bill. The only way the Hague suspects can run Kenya is to do a Bashir move and render Kenya a pariah state. We have said here many times that if and when Kenya becomes a pariah state we will face crippling sanctions from all over the world, specifically with regard to the US and EU. That is just an obvious fact we will have to face as a country. It is precisely the reason Kibaki has been unable to pull any tricks, dump the ICC and save his boys specifically Uhuru and Muthaura. The consequences of being a pariah state will be grave and devastating to all Kenyans including those who profess to love the Hague suspects. That is also the exact reason why a section of the Kikuyu elites including some linked to State House were willing to gamble with Mudavadi as an option. The trouble for them is Uhuru refused to buy into the project because it means his ass will be at The Hague for a long time. Uhuru would accept the deal if Kibaki was to pull out of the ICC and move the country into a pariah status right now. Kibaki is too chicken to do that and Uhuru has told them to get lost with their Mudavadi and hence the endless merry go around about " a united front" against Raila. But there is still hope of stopping Raila. Apparently he did not finish his primary education in Maranda. Let them work on that for a while. As far as the Hillary Clinton issue is concerned, she simply told us the truth.Obviously some of us cannot handle the truth. That is their problem and not that or the US Secretary of State, Ms Hillary Clinton. Just answer the question....... |
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 15, 2012 15:11:44 GMT 3
Hillary Clinton stated the obvious. Mr Tantrum Ruto is wasting time payukaring on the matter. Except for the new arrivals from Planet Mars, it should be obvious that if one or both of the Hague suspects become our presidents and/or deputies, by whatever means, including being democratically elected, they will be unable to run the country because they will be held up at The Hague for years. Nobody can run Kenya from the Hague, I don't care who you are and it matters little how much the crooks in power water down the Integrity Bill. The only way the Hague suspects can run Kenya is to do a Bashir move and render Kenya a pariah state. We have said here many times that if and when Kenya becomes a pariah state we will face crippling sanctions from all over the world, specifically with regard to the US and EU. That is just an obvious fact we will have to face as a country. It is precisely the reason Kibaki has been unable to pull any tricks, dump the ICC and save his boys specifically Uhuru and Muthaura. The consequences of being a pariah state will be grave and devastating to all Kenyans including those who profess to love the Hague suspects. That is also the exact reason why a section of the Kikuyu elites including some linked to State House were willing to gamble with Mudavadi as an option. The trouble for them is Uhuru refused to buy into the project because it means his ass will be at The Hague for a long time. Uhuru would accept the deal if Kibaki was to pull out of the ICC and move the country into a pariah status right now. Kibaki is too chicken to do that and Uhuru has told them to get lost with their Mudavadi and hence the endless merry go around about " a united front" against Raila. But there is still hope of stopping Raila. Apparently he did not finish his primary education in Maranda. Let them work on that for a while. As far as the Hillary Clinton issue is concerned, she simply told us the truth.Obviously some of us cannot handle the truth. That is their problem and not that or the US Secretary of State, Ms Hillary Clinton. Just answer the question....... Which question? If you read my post it is very clear. The US and the EU will not deal with a government and country run by international fugitives, period. How those fugitives get into power is irrelevant. Which part of this is complicated? |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 15, 2012 15:30:09 GMT 3
Just answer the question....... Which question? If you read my post it is very clear. The US and the EU will not deal with a government and country run by international fugitives, period. How those fugitives get into power is irrelevant. Which part of this is complicated? Sorry the question was for Emali. But it does not take away the issue I raised that the US would not ignore the wishes of Kenyans in the event either is elected as president of Kenya notwithstanding the ICC. Should you wish to know, the US did nothing to Bashir when he went to Iraq for the Arab League summit on Syria....so I would take anything about the world ignoring Kenya if either was president with a pinch of salt! |
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Post by emali on Aug 15, 2012 15:46:00 GMT 3
Which question? If you read my post it is very clear. The US and the EU will not deal with a government and country run by international fugitives, period. How those fugitives get into power is irrelevant. Which part of this is complicated? But it does not take away the issue I raised that the US would not ignore the wishes of Kenyans in the event either is elected as president of Kenya notwithstanding the ICC. Should you wish to know, the US did nothing to Bashir when he went to Iraq for the Arab League summit on Syria....so I would take anything about the world ignoring Kenya if either was president with a pinch of salt! I answered your question...or you meant this one... “So like a poor dog - tail between its leg we should kow tow what the americans tell us or we will starve?” I answered that one as well with all the patronizing and double standards it comes with…again if Uhuruto are elected they will be against my wishes…I am a Kenyan too and the U.S. has my wishes on this one… Don’t be so sure about Uhuru and Ruto’s infallibility…come next year this poor dog could be wagging its tail in exuberance… |
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 15, 2012 15:48:04 GMT 3
Which question? If you read my post it is very clear. The US and the EU will not deal with a government and country run by international fugitives, period. How those fugitives get into power is irrelevant. Which part of this is complicated? Sorry the question was for Emali. But it gdoes not take away the issue I raised that the US would not ignore the wishes of Kenyans in the event either is elected as president of Kenya notwithstanding the ICC. Should you wish to know, the US did nothing to Bashir when he went to Iraq for the Arab League summit on Syria....so I would take anything about the world ignoring Kenya if either was president with a pinch of salt! That is fine. Just so you know, the US does not need to do anything to Bashir when he is in Iraq, just as the the US would not need to do anything to a fugitive president in Kenya (should we have one) when they are in Somalia. All the Western world would do should our country, sadly, end up with a fugitive president is to cut off trade and diplomatic links. If we can sell all our coffee, tea, horticulture etc to China, Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe there would be no cause for alarm. Life will just continue as normal and even our young students would be getting their degrees from the same countries. No problem. I am not so sure that woud work out smoothly hence the panic we see in the country today. |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 15, 2012 16:25:26 GMT 3
Sorry the question was for Emali. But it gdoes not take away the issue I raised that the US would not ignore the wishes of Kenyans in the event either is elected as president of Kenya notwithstanding the ICC. Should you wish to know, the US did nothing to Bashir when he went to Iraq for the Arab League summit on Syria....so I would take anything about the world ignoring Kenya if either was president with a pinch of salt! That is fine. Just so you know, the US does not need to do anything to Bashir when he is in Iraq, just as the the US would not need to do anything to a fugitive president in Kenya (should we have one) when they are in Somalia. All the Western world would do should our country, sadly, end up with a fugitive president is to cut off trade and diplomatic links. If we can sell all our coffee, tea, horticulture etc to China, Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe there would be no cause for alarm. Life will just continue as normal and even our young students would be getting their degrees from the same countries. No problem. I am not so sure that woud work out smoothly hence the panic we see in the country today. ...last time I checked the US still had an embassy in Khartoum with Ambassador Lyman in office, notwithstanding the sanctions that America pretends to have against Sudan. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 15, 2012 21:18:09 GMT 3
...last time I checked the US still had an embassy in Khartoum with Ambassador Lyman in office, notwithstanding the sanctions that America pretends to have against Sudan. It is a horror, but indeed it is the same US which also has adviced the South Sudanese to settle on the oil-pipe rate remuneration to North Sudan, so that the oil can flow again. Why? with the sanctions on Iran, the bombs in Iraq, the oil price started to shoot, and with more rumour of war in the gulf --whether syria or iran, the oil-market needs re-assurance of increasing supply. 2. Sudan's oil is China's oil, and China has ways of pressurizing the americans these days. 3. When you trade with the world's second economy and a host of others, and you are oil rich, sanctions and being cut off from the international community need a lot of qualifications. Khartoum has been a very booming city --China has that kind of power. And it is this boom which is now going to Kill Bashir or make his own people take him to the Hague. Some have become so rich they want to travel to the brothels of Paris and Rome! And that is enough reason for the new kids on the block to find Bashir a block on their feet. He will soon go. China and the arab world do not offer the kind of entertainment the decadent west offers, and which ready oil-money is yearning for! Look at the royalties of Saudi Arabia! do they not all live in Monaco, and only come to that conservative kingdom on holidays! |
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 15, 2012 23:34:59 GMT 3
... in Khartoum with Ambassador Lyman in office, notwithstanding the sanctions that America pretends to have against Sudan. Are you and Two-Neuron Mwalimu twins? Never mind ... Perhaps we can discuss this issue relative to the facts: 1. Does the USA have sanctions against Sudan? 2. If so, what is their nature? 3. And what effect, in any, have they had? The US Department of Treasury is happy to supply such information. What's more, one can even join their mailing list to get updates: www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/sudan.aspx |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 19, 2012 19:41:01 GMT 3
Here is one of those events where what happens routinely behind the scenes becomes momentarily highlighted in public, and the relations of power, between vassal-state and emperor, usually masked by protocol and opaque communiques and other mystifications, are shown in their naked clarity.
An american security detail pushes back a Kenyan, accredited to his job of journalist. The American then proceeds to instruct the Kenyan police officer supposedly in command of the situation, that the other Kenyan needs to keep away. And so it comes to pass. In broad daylight.
Power does not suffer illusions. Though it is recognized as good manners to create that illusion, and thus, protocol. when it is dispensed with, this is what you get. A kenyan police commander on job in his city taking his orders from the nearest american.
I say, when you hear the word independent in Kenya official circles, make sense of an infamous German and his gun on the word culture.
This is how Mkapa hit the roof when Condoleezza Rice treated Raila and Kibaki with such contempt, even diplomatic Annan was aghast. But the worst on record was when secretary of state General Collin Powell visited a certain Afrikan country. A squadron of marines accompanied him, and every one would know Powell had been a commander in that army. They took the airport control tower, ordering everybody on their bellies.
Another version says one honorable policeman drew his gun up and was killed, and died with the words this is not America, this is my home.
Foreigners guarding a foreign dignitary, are usually not allowed weapons in the vicinity of a the host head of state, Collin Powel´s guards ordered all other armed men out of the room, and remained the only armed men with the president of that african country. Essentially the americans held the african president hostage under armed guard!
Knowing this, I once asked a GSU man in Nairobi if Condoleezza Rice had behaved the same way when he knocked Raila and Kibaki´s head together.
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Post by einstein on Aug 20, 2012 15:57:24 GMT 3
The Germans are also saying what the US said. Germany wants ICC suspects barredGermany has expressed concern over the move by two ICC suspects to vie for presidency. Visiting German Minister for Economic Co-operation and Development Mr Dirk Niebel said Kenya would be in a hard place if one of the suspects were to be elected and later found guilty. In an apparent reference to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto, he said that all post election violence suspects must be charged in order for the victims to get justice. Niebel said that the country should not give room for impunity. “Though the suspects are innocent until proven guilty, Kenya could face difficulties if one of the suspects was elected and later found guilty for crimes committed during the trial,” he said. He called for full investigations into the violence that rocked the country after the controversial 2007 elections. Niebel said that German government fully supported ICC adding that Kenyans did not want to see a reoccurrence of the PEV. Dismissed casesHe called on the Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission (TJRC) to make sure that its report on the elections was out before the upcoming general elections so that the outcomes could be addressed by the public. Niebel called for a free and fair election adding that his country would donate €1,000,000 towards the exercise. On IDPs, the minister expressed his concern that they were yet to be resettled which was a necessary step. Niebel was addressing the press in Lake Naivasha Country club after touring Karagita and Kiandege villages in Naivasha which were hardest hit by the PEV. German ambassador to Kenya Margit Hellwig-Boette also showed concern over the move to dismiss hundreds of PEV cases. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000064434&story_title=Germany-wants-ICC-suspects-barred |
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 26, 2012 17:30:06 GMT 3
Published on Oct 26, 2012
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hits legal retirement age today and she says that she will not serve a second term in the office. CBS News' Margaret Brennan reports
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