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Post by b6k on Sept 26, 2012 8:20:46 GMT 3
Folks, as seen on Kenya Talks, if CDF were to be used as the benchmark of gauging an effective president, then Peter Kenneth would win hands down while Raila Amolo Ondinga would be shown the door to early retirement. The rest may make mediocre governors. This is how the top contenders perform at their constituency level: Peter Kenneth 91%, William Ruto 62%, Musalia Mudavadi 62%, Uhuru Kenyatta 60%, Martha Karua 59%, Eugene Wamalwa 56%, Kalonzo Musyoka 51% , Raila Odinga 39% nipate.com/raila-and-uhuru-fail-terribly-in-cdf-management-t16689.htmlThe numbers never lie.... 
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Post by kamalet on Sept 26, 2012 9:00:32 GMT 3
b6k
You will know by now why this thread is not attracting the attention of the likes of Phil! But that is how some people deal with the truth!!!
But if I was PK I would not be getting too excited. Gatanga is not the republic of Kenya and the demands are quite varied as to register similar success.
The best example is the hopelessness of Phillip Kisia. He did to KICC what no one else had done and gave the place a new face as a commercial entity. But when taken to City Hall, he was a complete failure! Nairobi was certainly not KICC!
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Post by b6k on Sept 26, 2012 9:19:37 GMT 3
b6k You will know by now why this thread is not attracting the attention of the likes of Phil! But that is how some people deal with the truth!!! But if I was PK I would not be getting too excited. Gatanga is not the republic of Kenya and the demands are quite varied as to register similar success. The best example is the hopelessness of Phillip Kisia. He did to KICC what no one else had done and gave the place a new face as a commercial entity. But when taken to City Hall, he was a complete failure! Nairobi was certainly not KICC! , you have a point. But there is also that old adage about trusting someone who can accomplish small tasks to get it right if given something bigger to handle. At the very least it shows s/he has experience in getting something right. Consider it a mini vetting exercise of the candidates ability to focus on the task of rolling out services to their constituents. It is worth looking into, as a crystal ball into what their presidencies may look like. Here's how The Star covered the story showing that of the presidential hopefuls, only Gatanga constituents are satisfied with their MP's performance on all things CDF:  REPORT: National Taxpayers Association chairman Peter Kubebea addresses the press during a meeting on the CDF projects in the country yesterday.Photo/Charles kimani Kenneth shines in use of CDF kittyGATANGA MP Peter Keneth is the only presidential candidate whose constituents are satisfied with the way he is utilising the Constituency Development Fund, a new survey has shown. According to the National Taxpayers Association's CDF spotlight report released yesterday targeting eight constituencies represented by presidential aspirants, there were complaints against seven aspirants over either mismanagement of the funds as well as bad implementation, incomplete or stalled projects. The report did not rank or give figures on who best utilised or mismanaged the fund. The research covered Prime Minister Raila Odinga's Langata constituency, Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka's Mwingi North, Deputy PM Uhuru Kenyatta's Gatundu South, Justice minister Eugene Wamalwa's Saboti, Musalia Mudavadi's Sabatia, William Ruto's Eldoret North , Martha Karua's Gichugu, and Gatanga represented by Keneth. “ All these MPs have declared that they will be running for presidency come next year, but it is only in Gatanga that we never received a complain from the constituents on the management of CDF funds. We administered questionnaires to all the constituencies but none of the filed responses from Gatanga raised concerns on the projects,” said Martin Napisa, NTA acting national coordinator. Though CDF management efficiency for had improved, the findings indicate there are still a wastage of between 20 per cent and 30 per cent of the money in the kitty. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=post&thread=7393"e=107793&page=1 |
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Post by mzee on Sept 26, 2012 9:51:01 GMT 3
Initiating 10 projects and completing them in an area with mono diversity is different from initiating 200 and completing half in a multi diverse environment.
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Post by b6k on Sept 26, 2012 10:51:03 GMT 3
Initiating 10 projects and completing them in an area with mono diversity is different from initiating 200 and completing half in a multi diverse environment. , I assume you are comparing Gatanga (10 projects & a mono diversity <sic> populace ) with Langata (200 projects & a multi diverse <sic> populace). Using your same argument, how would an MP being promoted from the constituency which needed 200 projects & finishing only 100 of them fare in a nation that is even more ethnically diverse requiring say 70,000 projects? |
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Post by mzee on Sept 26, 2012 11:39:18 GMT 3
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All I’m saying is that things aren’t always what they look like. Being a CEO of a kiosk is very different from running a multinational company.
All the same CDF is not being administered properly in almost all constituencies.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 26, 2012 12:53:40 GMT 3
Good Lord, how the likes of I wanted PK to be in a visible place so that he can show the republic something! Nairobi Governor! then he could sort out that eyesore called Kibera and Mathare, until we go agape with awe! or in shock at the previous useless MPs!
But now, Gatanga is tucked away somewhere near Zanzibar where you never went and probably wont!
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Post by Fahari on Sept 27, 2012 6:13:25 GMT 3
Initiating 10 projects and completing them in an area with mono diversity is different from initiating 200 and completing half in a multi diverse environment. , I assume you are comparing Gatanga (10 projects & a mono diversity <sic> populace ) with Langata (200 projects & a multi diverse <sic> populace). Using your same argument, how would an MP being promoted from the constituency which needed 200 projects & finishing only 100 of them fare in a nation that is even more ethnically diverse requiring say 70,000 projects? PK has consistently topped the CDF rankings and I would rather a leader who started a few projects and completed them without loosing millions as is the case in langata. As a matter of fact Raila should be having an easy time with CDF because, despite his constituency being what is referred to here as “multi diverse” it has only one area of extreme poverty. Raila doesn’t have to use CDF to tarmac roads or lay water pipes the infrastructure is already in place all he has to do is to extend or improve on it. If we can not trust our leaders to competently manage a few million shillings, how are we expected to trust them with billions? |
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Post by Fahari on Sept 27, 2012 6:25:11 GMT 3
Good Lord, how the likes of I wanted PK to be in a visible place so that he can show the republic something! Nairobi Governor! then he could sort out that eyesore called Kibera and Mathare, until we go agape with awe! or in shock at the previous useless MPs! But now, Gatanga is tucked away somewhere near Zanzibar where you never went and probably wont! I hear you on that one !! The political dynamics of the current elections render Petter Kenneth’s candidature almost irrelevant as they are not about issues; they are a grudge match and to a certain extent a re-match of 2007 elections. Kenneth’s good policies cannot be heard in the din of ethnic banding and vitendawili, he is well advised to sit it out and instead go for the governor’s seat in Nairobi or Muranga, either seat would be his for the taking. His advisers should have a serious talk with him Nairobi desperately needs a governor of his calibre |
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Post by b6k on Sept 27, 2012 7:15:49 GMT 3
Mzee, I assume you are comparing Gatanga (10 projects & a mono diversity <sic> populace ) with Langata (200 projects & a multi diverse <sic> populace). Using your same argument, how would an MP being promoted from the constituency which needed 200 projects & finishing only 100 of them fare in a nation that is even more ethnically diverse requiring say 70,000 projects? PK has consistently topped the CDF rankings and I would rather a leader who started a few projects and completed them without loosing millions as is the case in langata. As a matter of fact Raila should be having an easy time with CDF because, despite his constituency being what is referred to here as “multi diverse” it has only one area of extreme poverty. Raila doesn’t have to use CDF to tarmac roads or lay water pipes the infrastructure is already in place all he has to do is to extend or improve on it. If we can not trust our leaders to competently manage a few million shillings, how are we expected to trust them with billions?, that was precisely the point. However don't forget we are now at a trillion + when it comes to managing the national budget. Like Waititu, Raila is the type of politician who knows his down-trodden constituents are in the bag. He has his extra-judicial/extra budgetary ways & means of securing his re-election. This is why he can afford to gallivant around KE seeking votes for ODM year round, or hop on a jet & globe trot on our dime at the most expensive & exclusive hotel chains on the planet because he knows Langata belongs to him. |
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 27, 2012 19:58:46 GMT 3
The usual nonsense..
Peter Kenneth 91%,
William Ruto 62%,
Musalia Mudavadi 62%,
Uhuru Kenyatta 60%,
Martha Karua 59%,
Eugene Wamalwa 56%,
Kalonzo Musyoka 51% ,
Raila Odinga 39%
the above list is deceptive and means nothing all the people mentioned are promoting projects in their own back yards and counties which if anyone given a chance to promote their village, county town or back yard they do it easily.. except for Raila whose constituency is in Kibera.. Now if Kenyans were to look at Projects that Raila has been involved in and completed in Nyanza then that would be a different ball game and that it what should be debated not the nonsense posted above.. enuff said..
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Post by mzee on Sept 27, 2012 21:47:47 GMT 3
The usual nonsense.. Peter Kenneth 91%, William Ruto 62%, Musalia Mudavadi 62%, Uhuru Kenyatta 60%, Martha Karua 59%, Eugene Wamalwa 56%, Kalonzo Musyoka 51% , Raila Odinga 39% the above list is deceptive and means nothing all the people mentioned are promoting projects in their own back yards and counties which if anyone given a chance to promote their village, county town or back yard they do it easily.. except for Raila whose constituency is in Kibera.. Now if Kenyans were to look at Projects that Raila has been involved in and completed in Nyanza then that would be a different ball game and that it what should be debated not the nonsense posted above.. enuff said.. Nuff sed |
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Post by b6k on Sept 28, 2012 8:38:44 GMT 3
The usual nonsense.. Peter Kenneth 91%, William Ruto 62%, Musalia Mudavadi 62%, Uhuru Kenyatta 60%, Martha Karua 59%, Eugene Wamalwa 56%, Kalonzo Musyoka 51% , Raila Odinga 39% the above list is deceptive and means nothing all the people mentioned are promoting projects in their own back yards and counties which if anyone given a chance to promote their village, county town or back yard they do it easily.. except for Raila whose constituency is in Kibera.. Now if Kenyans were to look at Projects that Raila has been involved in and completed in Nyanza then that would be a different ball game and that it what should be debated not the nonsense posted above.. enuff said.. Nuff sed So Raila's projects are only successful where there is no ethnic diversity?  |
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Post by Fahari on Sept 28, 2012 9:27:09 GMT 3
So Raila's projects are only successful where there is no ethnic diversity? I thought Raila was elected as MP for Langata in Nairobi? What is he doing running projects in Nyanza? I suppose its that pesky "mono diverse" (sic) factor at play or even worse, it's that "good old reformist Raila" is as ethnocentric as they come and therefore only interested in "taking development" to "his people" forgetting his "other" people who got him into parliament !! |
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Post by kamalet on Sept 28, 2012 9:45:49 GMT 3
So Raila's projects are only successful where there is no ethnic diversity? I thought Raila was elected as MP for Langata in Nairobi? What is he doing running projects in Nyanza? I suppose its that pesky "mono diverse" (sic) factor at play or even worse, it's that "good old reformist Raila" is as ethnocentric as they come and therefore only interested in "taking development" to "his people" forgetting his "other" people who got him into parliament !! Easy guys!!! Charity begins at home......and Langata is not Raila's dala. That should explain why he 'completes projects in Nyanza'!!! |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Sept 28, 2012 23:48:06 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way .
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Post by b6k on Sept 29, 2012 1:09:23 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way . UK & RAO share one common trait...pedigree. Ruto is an anomaly. |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Sept 29, 2012 2:21:10 GMT 3
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Any political observer will agree that RAO knows how to relate to the common man or atleast knows how to pretend and so does UK and Ruto ,this is common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 0:56:38 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way . How cheap and cheesy of you. trying to push Peter Kenneth onto the margins claiming that he isn't African enough. I've got news for you, he is a Kenyan and you can never take that away from him, so get used to it! So what if the man struts suits. His aesthetic tastes have no bearing whatever on whether he's a good leader. In fact so far he seems to be the only one that we can hold up as not being a thief and yes let me not forget Martha Karua. so, don't come here with your ethnic chauvinism talking rubbish like this "Lastly a tan would go a long way" |
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I'm not joining Uhuru party, says Kenneth
By LUCAS BARASA lbarassa@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Saturday, September 29 2012 at 15:50
Presidential aspirant Peter Kenneth has denied reports that he is headed to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta's The National Alliance (TNA).
Instead, Mr Kenneth said he was concentrating on launching his presidential campaign towards the end of November.
He announced he will tour Kisii and Nyamira counties in mid-October before heading to Kwale, West Pokot, Nyeri, Narok and Busia counties as s prelude to his presidential launch.
“I have not held any discussions with anyone regarding any position as insinuated by way of propaganda. The choice of Kenya’s next leadership is one for Kenyans to make; a fact which no amount of orchestrated propaganda can change.
"Let those who claim democracies accept that democracy is a game of competition and be ready to face me in the presidential debate,” Mr Kenneth said.
Reacting to a story that appeared in the Saturday Nation, Mr Kenneth said he had never aspired to be a tribal or regional leader “because Kenya needs a national leadership that will deal with Kenyan issues head on".
“I am a believer that name, fame and euphoria is not a prerequisite for good leadership in our country,” Mr Kenneth who hopes to vie for the presidency on a Kenya National Congress ticket said in Nairobi.
Issue oriented campaign
The Gatanga MP said his campaign is issue oriented adding that leaders ought to educate Kenyans not to vote with emotions and to reason out a criteria that will provide Kenya with leadership that will resolve it problems.
I'm not joining Uhuru party, says Kenneth
“Those who are quick to name a propaganda agenda purporting to offer me certain positions must realise I stand firm. I was the first MP on July 3, 2011 to declare that I will not seek elective position as MP, governor or senator,” Mr Kenneth said.
He told his opponents to state why his presidential candidature had caused panic “leading them to purport to offer me positions".
Mr Kenneth said KNC leaders were concentrating on ensuring the party and any other like-minded ones will form the next government.
The Planning and National Development assistant minister said the recent wave arising from by elections has no dynamics in the general elections.
“As we saw it two years ago when Narc-Kenya also won two seats the euphoria died after a couple of weeks,” Mr Kenneth said.
Mr Kenneth urged Kenyans to raise their voices against any incitement to violence by politicians.
“Memories of the destructive violence we experienced in 2007/08 are yet to fade as Kenyans continue to live in IDP camps,” he said in a statement.
He regretted that as Kenyans prepare for the elections, they have experienced a wave of violence in Tana River, Mombasa, Wajir and Mandera Counties, which have been attributed to political incitement.
"We can't afford to let Kenya burn again,” he said.www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1520958/-/9vty64/-/index.html
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Post by mank on Sept 30, 2012 2:04:25 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way . What is Odiero? |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Sept 30, 2012 2:19:21 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way . kathure If you were a serious political commentator then you would know that presidential candidates have people to dress them up and down as neccesary, when you see obama in khaki pants and folded sleeves what comes to your mind? all this is done for the camera and yes it influences perceptions and eventualy votes.I used PK's own words when he thought looking like an "odiero" should be an advantage, my point is , that comment was very counter productive to his appeal to the hollo poloi like myself.You were quick to respond to me in an emotional manner and i will not stoop to your level.On the tan comment i stand by it because in the city i live there are tanning saloons in every corner because dark is beautiful and the common man is likely to relate to someone with a closer match.If you dont like what i have said eat your heart out. mukwhasiHow cheap and cheesy of you. trying to push Peter Kenneth onto the margins claiming that he isn't African enough. I've got news for you, he is a Kenyan and you can never take that away from him, so get used to it! So what if the man struts suits. His aesthetic tastes have no bearing whatever on whether he's a good leader. In fact so far he seems to be the only one that we can hold up as not being a thief and yes let me not forget Martha Karua. so, don't come here with your ethnic chauvinism talking rubbish like this "Lastly a tan would go a long way" |
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 30, 2012 2:22:14 GMT 3
What Peter needs to ask himself is why do so many people show at his rallies yet the same crowds dont translate in to votes? (if the by elctions are anything to go by).He should immediately change tact and come down to peoples level that is the secret UK ,RAO and Ruto know and maximise.PK always appears elitist in his dressing ,language and persona ,referring to himself as odiero is counter productive because the last thing Africans want is to have anything to do with Odiero in leadership positions or governance ,he must forthwith touch base with his roots and be seen as proud of his Africaness lest he gets the tag "barbie" and us poor folk dont like those who breath in cloud nine.Lastly a tan would go a long way . Mukwhasi JaUgenya: I know that you are not serious, and all you wish to do is foment some trouble. Still, there are people who actually believe the sort of statements you've made, so it seems necessary that there should be even just a short response from somewhere. This is the kind of mentality that explains why we have not moved too far from the Stone Age except in very superficial terms. First, it is all very well and populist to talk about "coming down to the people's level". The "people" in Kenya are mostly tribalistic sheep that will even happily slaughter their compatriots as long as they are pointed in one direction and told "those people are out to finish us". The last thing such people need are "leaders" who will come down top their level". What they need are leaders who will lead them out of swamp of ignorance and tribalistic stupidity. Second, it seems necessary to remind you that the "secret" that Ruto and Uhuru "know" brought this country to the edge of the abyss, in 2007, and currently has them facing trial for the most heinous crimes known to humanity. And now Raila is busy with their Murderer-and-Rapist-In-Chief! Logic would lead to the conclusion that we should not be encouraging others to "know" such "secrets" as Ruto and Uhuru might have. Let those secrets remain secret, then they can be described as secret. Third, I am not aware of Kenneth referring to himself as an "odiero". But so what if he does? As a matter of fact that is part of his heritage, and I have yet to see evidence that it detracts from the other half. On the basis of his performance so far, Kenneth seems to have the ability, desire, and temperament to lead this country to where it should be going. All sensible, wide-awake Kenyans should look beyond manamba politics and see the potential for a new kind of political leader. |
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Post by b6k on Sept 30, 2012 2:24:47 GMT 3
I'm not joining Uhuru party, says Kenneth
By LUCAS BARASA lbarassa@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Saturday, September 29 2012 at 15:50
Presidential aspirant Peter Kenneth has denied reports that he is headed to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta's The National Alliance (TNA).
Instead, Mr Kenneth said he was concentrating on launching his presidential campaign towards the end of November.
He announced he will tour Kisii and Nyamira counties in mid-October before heading to Kwale, West Pokot, Nyeri, Narok and Busia counties as s prelude to his presidential launch.
“I have not held any discussions with anyone regarding any position as insinuated by way of propaganda. The choice of Kenya’s next leadership is one for Kenyans to make; a fact which no amount of orchestrated propaganda can change.
"Let those who claim democracies accept that democracy is a game of competition and be ready to face me in the presidential debate,” Mr Kenneth said.
Reacting to a story that appeared in the Saturday Nation, Mr Kenneth said he had never aspired to be a tribal or regional leader “because Kenya needs a national leadership that will deal with Kenyan issues head on".
“I am a believer that name, fame and euphoria is not a prerequisite for good leadership in our country,” Mr Kenneth who hopes to vie for the presidency on a Kenya National Congress ticket said in Nairobi.
Issue oriented campaign
The Gatanga MP said his campaign is issue oriented adding that leaders ought to educate Kenyans not to vote with emotions and to reason out a criteria that will provide Kenya with leadership that will resolve it problems.
I'm not joining Uhuru party, says Kenneth
“Those who are quick to name a propaganda agenda purporting to offer me certain positions must realise I stand firm. I was the first MP on July 3, 2011 to declare that I will not seek elective position as MP, governor or senator,” Mr Kenneth said.
He told his opponents to state why his presidential candidature had caused panic “leading them to purport to offer me positions".
Mr Kenneth said KNC leaders were concentrating on ensuring the party and any other like-minded ones will form the next government.
The Planning and National Development assistant minister said the recent wave arising from by elections has no dynamics in the general elections.
“As we saw it two years ago when Narc-Kenya also won two seats the euphoria died after a couple of weeks,” Mr Kenneth said.
Mr Kenneth urged Kenyans to raise their voices against any incitement to violence by politicians.
“Memories of the destructive violence we experienced in 2007/08 are yet to fade as Kenyans continue to live in IDP camps,” he said in a statement.
He regretted that as Kenyans prepare for the elections, they have experienced a wave of violence in Tana River, Mombasa, Wajir and Mandera Counties, which have been attributed to political incitement.
"We can't afford to let Kenya burn again,” he said.www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1520958/-/9vty64/-/index.html If PK can stand his ground & make it through to election day then he makes a very good "protest vote" candidate. He may be the Ralf Nader of KE but I doubt he will get the critical mass to galvanize the kind of support that is needed to see him through into state house. Sigh.... |
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 30, 2012 2:40:32 GMT 3
If PK can stand his ground & make it through to election day then he makes a very good "protest vote" candidate. He may be the Ralf Nader of KE but I doubt he will get the critical mass to galvanize the kind of support that is needed to see him through into state house. Sigh.... Voting for PK now will help him build the base he needs for a full-tilt run in 2018, so it would not be a wasted vote. Of those who have significant support right now, Raila is the only person worth voting for. But people who have so far supported Raila need to have an alternative if he continues careering on the road to perdition, in the company of his monster friend. PK is that alternative. I've heard people talk good of Martha Karua. Karua before power was one person. Karua after power was another person (more like the first Karua). Karua in power (at the height of the PEV) could well be the real Karua---a dangerous, wild-eyed, uncompromising, power-obsessed person, with "Your Future Dictator" written on her forehead (in invisible ink, of course). No, thank you; come back in 20 years. |
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