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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 9, 2013 12:53:58 GMT 3
.... FORGIVENESS? Even if it may be temporary, it's a heck of a lot better than the killing fields we had in the last election. The way I was brought up, one first admits to doing wrong and then asks for forgiveness. I don't recall getting even a sliver of either (in this context). Arrogant, mindless, tribal stupidity ... yes, plenty of that. The slightest hint of anything else? NOP. Sorry, no can do. For reasons, see a zillion preceding "postings". THERE MUST BE JUSTICE FOR THE PEV VICTIMS.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 9, 2013 12:58:11 GMT 3
Otishotish, sorry to bug you some more ---looks like you are being gang-banged by Jukwaa irates! I think if you will continue to fight for the humanity of Kenyans, it may be comfortable to share the same nationality with them, so that they do not dismiss you for just another foreigner sticking is beaked nose into their affairs. From the way I see it. It is always Samora Machell. Aluta Continua. Remember it is possible to qualify Obama as effectively a degenerate President. Elsewhere, I recount how he has been avoiding Harvard of late. ---Something about those drones prof. Podp quips about. His acquiesce to the treatment of private Manning and continuation of Guantanamo is the same thing Kenyans fought against, that is what Moi used to do to people at Nyati, Nyayo house. So Paradise lost is not really paradise re-gained by self-imposed exile in the civilised West. Let us state clearly why we oppose this popular choice by Kenyans. Why we agitate against it, and make sure next elections Kenyans rally to our side. I supported Martha. Of course I was knocked dead at the polls. But I am up and running. I will be writing a position paper on why Kenneth should work with Kidero to team up, to dethrone Uhuruto. I rate the competence of Ruto very highly as a political force. He wants to be president bad. Anybody his age-group who has the same ambitions, must now go to work. Or after Hail Uhuru, it will be two terms hail Ruto. History is not a picnic. And Kenya is determined to dare the fates. It is the stuff of gripping drama, and great historical pages to future students. OO this is sexist and offensive. Actually Jakaswanga's posts are frequently sexist and I have tolerated many offensive statements but when we start to tolerate rape jokes I refuse to be silent. Let's try and express ourselves intelligently without resorting to demeaning each other due to ethnicity, tribe or gender. We can only do this by being intolerant of sexism, racisim and tribalism. Oh my delicate super-sensitive queen! I am saying Obama is treating private Manning like Moi used to treat detainees at Nyayo house, and all your sensitive O O so tender heart can note, is the bang of gangs! Are you telling me there are absolutely no ladies in the world who consent to gangs? As far as I sociologically know, the term was first used to describe ritual initiation into the urban gangs of the USA. The application lines by females did not decrease by this form of treatment! O No, they wore it like a badge on the chests of Generals, four stars. Middle class feminists, dangling between the hot desire for participatory research and the moral need to condemn the sin, sunk into confusion, and lost the intellectual debate which forms policy on urban gangs. As I said, the real world is not a picnic. O sensitive queen!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 9, 2013 13:12:38 GMT 3
No need to apologize for bugging me; everyone and his/her dog has been doing it for the last few hours... On a moment of time-out, OTISHOTISH, what is it you have done to set the neighbours dog on barking spree? hindering those in the 'hood who may have hang-overs to oversleep? NB: You of course know we of Jukwaa are on record to have asked Onyango Oloo, TNA SG, to institute an econo-think-tank specifically dedicated to economic restructuring which shall be needed when the sanctions come. ---From fuel rationing, to austerity labour remunerations redux [salaries slash for all sectors]. The rest may be just facing it off day by day, which is what the majority of Kenyans do daily. It is the new and old members of the prosperous middle class, ever expanding if we believe the official figures, who need a real buffer against re-proletarianisation in the event of a sanctions bite. But we also await the West biting the bullet. Will they congratulate the ICC suspects, and the Kenyans in their democratic choice, or will they, like high-minded Otishotish of Jukwaa, condescendingly give Kenyans a thumb down and sulk away to bunga-bunga parties?? [sorry, bunga-bunga is for you anglo-saxons a gang-bang! with a wink at the Queen Malkia!
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 9, 2013 13:20:14 GMT 3
Friends:
I have read all of the "above", but at some point I will read it carefully. In the meantime, can we keep in mind that I know Kenya and Kenyans? Some of the nyayo-istic abuse seems a bit silly and antiquated. How about some hints of imagination for motherland?
Look, we all know everything that happened during the 2007-2008 PEV. There has to be some justice on that front. And there have to be signals against impunity. Yes, I know, that might not be to the liking of you HERO, but there it is.
So, how about this: I keep fighting for justice, as I will, and you keep fighting for ....
But let's avoid small-minded nastiness that achieves nothing. The house ni*gger stuff ... That sort of thing is completely unhelpful.
REMINDER: Be good. Just elections. Don't go raping and killing and mutilating and burning women and children in a church ....
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 9, 2013 13:23:30 GMT 3
Folks,
Some home truths.
1. It’s better to be called a ‘Nigga’ in a foreign country than be called a ‘kehee’ in your own country Kenya.
2. After the party, it’s either to the Hague or a run for the hills.
3. GEMA voted Jubilee because Uhuru was its head. They would not have done so if Ruto was its head.
4. That PEV victims have unconditionally forgiven and reconciled with their attackers/perpetrators and are no longer interested in seeking justice is absolute hogwash.
5. What we’ve just witnessed is tribalism in its highest intensity… so intense that it has superseded justice.
6. Next on the chopping block is William Ruto.
7. Raila should concede immediately. He should let Kenyans enjoy the fruits of electing UhuRuto. Plus if one cannot beat ICC inductees fair and square, he has no business being president.
8. The folks of Taita Taveta can forget the hitherto donated 4k acres. It was willing seller willing buyer.
9. Raila should retreat to Bondo and have his hirelings lobby for a retirement package.
10. Immediately after the swearing in of UhuRuto, the ‘Oh shit! What have we just done?’ moment will set in.
11. Expect the Facebook page, ‘Don’t blame me, I did not vote jubilee’ to be the most popular site in Kenya.
12. GEMA dominance and arrogance will reach new heights. The Kalenjin will be sidelined almost immediately.
13. Willy Mutunga will resign rather than be forced to swear in UhuRuto. That will begin the decline of Kenya.
14. By the time Uhuru is done, it will not matter who becomes president. The Central Bank of Kenya will be empty anyway.
15. Lastly, and this is most important, we survived ten years of Kibaki. We can survive Uhuru.
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Post by emali on Mar 9, 2013 13:56:19 GMT 3
@ Otishotish I think @ patriotism101 has spoken well and I particularly like @ Jakaswanga’s analogy with our current situation mimicking the Algerian one because I thought the same exact thing last night when the four or five tired IEBC commissioners came out to read the final numbers (wakenya wamelala!) that tilted this kinyanganyiro to Uhuru...there was no way this was going to a second round based on .01% difference not in Kenya.... Don’t despair too much though I must say I fully understand your feelings, I actually envy it because Kenya is ‘corruptible’, come back here for an extended period of time & I doubt you would be this upset...for us who are here in Kenya this was not a surprise (the Uhuruto win)...it was going to go only but one way...with the Moi boys & the ‘constitutional monarchy’ back, KANU is on its way to a 100 years...if it was not Uhuruto it would have been Uhurulonzo and instead of West Pokot leading the nation in Voter turnout of 97%(figure that one out) it would have been Marsabit,instead of Mombasa leading the Nation in least voter turnout it would have been Busia thanks to some cross border skirmish... It’s one step at a time...I was planning on going to Meru Tomorrow and I will be able to go, if Raila won I doubt I could be able to make that trip...so we keep on moving...when I was standing in line to vote the gentleman behind me was a TNA supporter & he strongly kept extolling the virtues of Jubilee & how they were a Godsend, he had actually read the manifesto because I didn’t know about Jubilees plan for 24/7,365 day Border patrol... to the point I had to ‘silence him gently’...if Uhuruto can give the ICC a run for its money what chance did this dude have...if they can’t you get psychologically they will get you ‘legally’ like some poor sod found out.... jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7766&page=2So Otis keep us updated on the ICC & the don’t disappear too much, I always like well thought out missives and you had a lot of that...
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 9, 2013 22:14:45 GMT 3
Otish, Your frustrations are understandable but your decision, if based on those frustrations is unreasonable. Plenty has been said about the implications of the UHURUTO presidency-but no one has engaged the common citizenship to indoctrinate them with the impact such implications will have in their daily lives. The ruling class by commission and omission(read CORD) failed to educate voters the extent of damage the country’s image will suffer when the number one and number two are mshukiwa wa kwanza na wapili at the Hague. To the ordinary Kenyan, ni kama movie, to borrow from ruto’s vocabulary and the issue did not add ugali to his table. For example, no one had an ad to warn the electorate of such a possibility and everyone hid behind “we want peaceful elections” chorus. No “super pac” was willing to come out and address the issue head on. Instead it was left for the diplomats to warn kenyans of the consequences such a choice would have- even then it was twisted and painted as meddling in the country's internal affairs. So Kenyans should live with the consequences of their choice. Vioja mahakamani, that old fabled zilizopendwa of KBC program of yester years cuts through the chase and opeds by among others the respected Yash Pal Ghai and in my opinion should give an ordinary Kenyan a simple undertstanding of what just happened in our beloved ex otish republic. Typical vioja mahakamani will go something like this- Judge- Mshukiwa wa kwanza ambia koti hi majina yako kamili (First Accused, please tell this court your full names) Mshukiwa wa kwanza- Kwa majina mimi naitwa Uhuru Mwigai Kenyatta, also the president of the republic of Kenya (Otish- this is what I believe is making you give up your Kenyan citizenship; D-it is an indignity to the Kenyan people) Judge- Mshukiwa wa pili ambia koti hi majina yako kamili (Second accused, please tell this court your full names) Ruto- Mimi naitwa Samoei Arap Ruto, also the deputy president of……………………………………………….. This may sound funny, indeed it is good material for late night comedy, and unfortunately it is a nightmare to the millions of Kenyans who have some dignity left in them. As soon as he is sworn in, UK will be the commander in chief of all the KDF, president of Republic of Kenya. It is impossible for me to imagine the idea that UK and his deputy will be seated behind a desk answering and swearing to say nothing but the truth to a judge in a court either in Arusha or the Hague if at all they cooperate with the ICC. Willingness to cooperate comes early for RUTO. I pity the guy, he got the court date the same day he was supposed to be celebrating victory – it is like having menses on your wedding night! He will be the litmus test of whether they will honor their court appearances. My instinct tells me they will not, but I could be wrong even though I hope my instincts are right. Either way, Kenya loses. Let me explain. It is more humiliating to me and the Kenyan people to have the vioja mahakamani movie I talked about above. It will make Kenya a laughing stock of the world, it is injurious to the Kenyan brand and it will continue to depict Kenya as a failed state whose president and deputy president are being tried in a European court. Before stopping the cooperation, everything including the kitchen sink will be thrown at the ICC. First , there will be motions and counter motions sponsored by the washukiwa (the defendants) and the GOK through cousin Attorney General -paid for by the treasury. Sang is in big trouble –he will be alone-hopefully CORD will show some appreciation for his courage for standing up and saying what he believes. In the meantime, there will be shuttle diplomacy 2.0 starting regionally, Uganda, Burundi, Rwanda Tanzania then to the OAU going further east to china. This will be at tax payers expense. We know this failed in the past, it will fail again, but this will not stop the washukiwa from trying it- at the expense of the tax payers. One of the shuttle diplomacy selling points was that the cases should be brought back to Kenya since there is currently an independent judiciary. This point is still valid but may be mute since the washukiwa will be number one and number two heads of the executive arms and will have some influence over the prosecutor (Please don’t argue here that Tobiko is independent of the president) It will therefore be interesting how this point is fumbled and argued to international friends (China, IRAN, North Korea etc) If and when UHURUTO fails to show up in court, the president’s and his deputy’s foreign trip budgets might come down. The only foreign trips they may make will be to Sudan and China with stopovers in Iran-even then, they will be risking a take down. This may seriously hit UK hardest since frozen assets visa freeze to you and family never go well especially when you have assets in the west, banking and manufacturing interests that rely on neo colonial powers to market your products. Life can be very lonely up there if the only people you can hang out with are Omar el bashir and some guys you cannot even pronounce their names. But are these problems enough to make you throw away your birth right Otish? Not at all. History repeats itself. Ruto and Uhuru will unravel once the ICC problem is sorted out. Kenya is bigger than the two or maybe I am wrong. But do we want to go the Zimbambwe way? I doubt it. This is a marriage of convenience and you should keep your Kenyan passport brother. Fare thee well.......Otish Senti 5 Really? I remember Mudavadi, Karua, Raila and Kalonzo screaming their lungs out about the prospects of electing an ICC inductee as president during their entire campaign periods. Who paid attention to the lone voices shouting from the wilderness? Do you still remember the presidential debate when the 'public enemy number one' going by the name Raila talked about "Governance via Skype from The Hague"? I just pity my fellow Kenyans, but because I love them so much I will always be there for them and continue the fight on their behalf. After this election in 2013, starts THE STRUGGLE FOR THE THIRD LIBERATION, after T HE SECOND LIBERATION ABORTED!! Welcome on board in this struggle if you are with me! Einstein, These were sound bytes and not necessarily civil education- that was my point. In any case, how many ordinary folks in Kenya know what skype is? No one brought the message down to the level of Ojwang /mama kayai/vioja mahakamani. That is the language and context a majority of Kenyans in the slums and rural areas understand. Senti 5
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Post by gemagema on Mar 10, 2013 0:40:38 GMT 3
Folks, Some home truths. 1. It’s better to be called a ‘Nigga’ in a foreign country than be called a ‘kehee’ in your own country Kenya. 2. After the party, it’s either to the Hague or a run for the hills. 3. GEMA voted Jubilee because Uhuru was its head. They would not have done so if Ruto was its head. 4. That PEV victims have unconditionally forgiven and reconciled with their attackers/perpetrators and are no longer interested in seeking justice is absolute hogwash. 5. What we’ve just witnessed is tribalism in its highest intensity… so intense that it has superseded justice. 6. Next on the chopping block is William Ruto. 7. Raila should concede immediately. He should let Kenyans enjoy the fruits of electing UhuRuto. Plus if one cannot beat ICC inductees fair and square, he has no business being president. 8. The folks of Taita Taveta can forget the hitherto donated 4k acres. It was willing seller willing buyer. 9. Raila should retreat to Bondo and have his hirelings lobby for a retirement package. 10. Immediately after the swearing in of UhuRuto, the ‘Oh shit! What have we just done?’ moment will set in. 11. Expect the Facebook page, ‘Don’t blame me, I did not vote jubilee’ to be the most popular site in Kenya. 12. GEMA dominance and arrogance will reach new heights. The Kalenjin will be sidelined almost immediately. 13. Willy Mutunga will resign rather than be forced to swear in UhuRuto. That will begin the decline of Kenya. 14. By the time Uhuru is done, it will not matter who becomes president. The Central Bank of Kenya will be empty anyway. 15. Lastly, and this is most important, we survived ten years of Kibaki. We can survive Uhuru. Foremost...I must thank Otishotish for starting this thread While i will not contribute much to it, it is nonetheless consoling to know that there are people out there who feel exactly like i feel. I am very Kenyan too, one who has always voted a presidential candidate from the other tribe(Oops!!, i forgot..afterall there have only been 2 tribes at the throne)! The manner that I have always used my voting right, attests to the fact that I abhor, I hate, I loathe, the Tribalism in Kenya...It is sickening. I sincerely hope that one day...we shall get closer to what Tanzania is Otishotish, I feel you bro...I feel you so much As for Lincoln...I must say you are a genius. If this was Twitter, I would have favourited what you have written. I guess in this case, I will copy/save what you have written. It is my Checklist...when things start going Haywire in Kenya Notwithstanding, I hope that an Uhuruto presidency will surprise me! I really hope...otherwise, as someone wrote elsewhere, Kenyans may be needing a 3rd Liberation, even though I wonder who will be fearless enough to lead such, in the event that Kenya will be at the Brink and hence needing such a liberation. How i wish my one vote would have been multiplied by 8 (the computer bug) so that someone else, other than Uhuru would have been the president. Lakini basi, in the same breadth like the Presidential candidates who lost, I will also concede defeat. I will have to live with the decision of the 'so called" twosome (2-tribe) majority. I must live with an Uhuruto government. I have no otherwise
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Post by kamalet on Mar 10, 2013 14:51:00 GMT 3
Otishotish, sorry to bug you some more ---looks like you are being gang-banged by Jukwaa irates! I think if you will continue to fight for the humanity of Kenyans, it may be comfortable to share the same nationality with them, so that they do not dismiss you for just another foreigner sticking is beaked nose into their affairs. From the way I see it. It is always Samora Machell. Aluta Continua. Remember it is possible to qualify Obama as effectively a degenerate President. Elsewhere, I recount how he has been avoiding Harvard of late. ---Something about those drones prof. Podp quips about. His acquiesce to the treatment of private Manning and continuation of Guantanamo is the same thing Kenyans fought against, that is what Moi used to do to people at Nyati, Nyayo house. So Paradise lost is not really paradise re-gained by self-imposed exile in the civilised West. Let us state clearly why we oppose this popular choice by Kenyans. Why we agitate against it, and make sure next elections Kenyans rally to our side. I supported Martha. Of course I was knocked dead at the polls. But I am up and running. I will be writing a position paper on why Kenneth should work with Kidero to team up, to dethrone Uhuruto. I rate the competence of Ruto very highly as a political force. He wants to be president bad. Anybody his age-group who has the same ambitions, must now go to work. Or after Hail Uhuru, it will be two terms hail Ruto. History is not a picnic. And Kenya is determined to dare the fates. It is the stuff of gripping drama, and great historical pages to future students. OO this is sexist and offensive. Actually Jakaswanga's posts are frequently sexist and I have tolerated many offensive statements but when we start to tolerate rape jokes I refuse to be silent. Let's try and express ourselves intelligently without resorting to demeaning each other due to ethnicity, tribe or gender. We can only do this by being intolerant of sexism, racisim and tribalism. I picked up this 'gang-bang' phrase that is irking Malkia and apart from being unnecessarily ultra sensitive, the reference was to Otishotish who must have taken in the meaning differently from the sexual conotation that is driving up Malkia's adrenaline. Seriously, this has nothing to do with RAPE nor is it sexist!! My source of the definition below is from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_bangA gang bang is a situation in which a person engages in consensual sex acts with several individuals at the same time. Normally there is a single individual who is the central focus of the sexual activity, e.g. one woman surrounded by several men. Rather than serial couplings by two people, the gang bang is defined by the number and simultaneity of the various sex acts such as oral sex, anal sex or double penetration. Gang bangs are not defined by the precise number of participants but usually involve more than three people and may involve a dozen or more. When the gang bang is organized specifically to culminate with the (near) simultaneous or rapid serial ejaculations of all male participants on the woman (or central man), then it may be referred to by the Japanese term Bukkake. By contrast, three people engaged in sex is normally referred to as a threesome, and four people are normally referred to as a foursome. Gang bangs also differ from group sex, such as threesomes and foursomes, in that most (if not all) sexual acts are centered on or performed with just the central person. Although the participants of a gang bang may know each other, the spontaneity and anonymity of participants is often part of the attraction. Additionally the other participants normally do not engage in sex acts with each other, but may stand nearby and masturbate while waiting for an opportunity to engage in sex.Pushed further, the phrase has taken the criminal line of gang rape to try and soften the crime though normal definition of the crime for which would have been offended is gang rape
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 15:53:10 GMT 3
KAMALET!
Your post has made me suspend mine. I had just written a post, carefully worded, explaining my voluntary exit from Jukwaa, because I believed my brutish, hard-bred erotic scorch earths, so terrorise the sensitivities of O O so delicate and demure minds of these queens, such that to maintain this blog as a safe area, a refuge for baby minds, the likes of Jakaswanga really have to find elsewhere to ply their nonsense crudes! I love Jukwaa so much I would commit seppuku for her!
What made me feel bad is quitting just one day after the Great Otishotish.
But after reading your rejoinder, I have suspended my voluntary cyber suicide. Better be executed perhaps ---Which queen is that who demanded the head of John the Baptist, just for fun?
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 16:06:06 GMT 3
Pushed further, the phrase has taken the criminal line of gang rape to try and soften the crime though normal definition of the crime for which would have been offended is gang rape 0n a blog running on a reputation of braininess, perhaps it is incumbent on Malkia to explain why she only chose to understand the phrase in the 'PUSHED FURTHER' meaning? In other words, perhaps she is captive to even more sensationally lewd extravagance than she accuses Jakaswanga of. It is a perfect example of projection, to avoid taking responsibility for own thoughts and fantasies, because of perhaps the feelings of guilt and shame that a would-be good girl can entertain such {Jakaswanga-like} rotten thoughts!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 10, 2013 16:08:54 GMT 3
One of the dangers of english as a'third language' is that it can be very confusing to many and even more annoying to some. Unlike in Swahili where one word can mean very many things (e.g. Paa) the english language is quite interesting in how words differ depending on context!
You do know about my problems of 'petticoats' and 'knickers'. I however take a lot of strength from my A level literature teacher now the Professor Mathew O. Buyu who taught me that you should never have a problem taking literary licence when speaking english. Take for instance Wole Soyinka's " A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude - it pounces" when you consider that Africa is not even a habitat of the tiger, but we come up with such a proverb!
Carol Mutoko once called a famous politician a "Political Prostitute' which would not have been any different to refence of Elijah Mwangale as a "Political Tourist". The feminists were up in arms but I did not hear of any complaints from tourists!
My point? Political correctness and misplaced activism means that Jukwaa is denied the richness of the english that you deliver so well if you live within simple english words and phrases :-(
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Post by kamalet on Mar 10, 2013 16:10:46 GMT 3
Pushed further, the phrase has taken the criminal line of gang rape to try and soften the crime though normal definition of the crime for which would have been offended is gang rape 0n a blog running on a reputation of braininess, perhaps it is incumbent on Malkia to explain why she only chose to understand the phrase in the 'PUSHED FURTHER' meaning? In other words, perhaps she is captive to even more sensationally lewd extravagance than she accuses Jakaswanga of. It is a perfect example of projection, to avoid taking responsibility for own thoughts and fantasies, because of perhaps the feelings of guilt and shame that a would-be good girl can entertain such {Jakaswanga-like} rotten thoughts! I think if you were glorifying the act, you would actually have fallen foul of the Jukwaa rules. But I did not read it as glorifying but simply a figure of speech!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 16:23:41 GMT 3
Kamalet,
Perhaps I should have said 'thread-banging'!
--Otishotish was very superiorist in some of his statements explaining his reasons for ditching his Kenyan nationality. Provocatively so. As if inviting the 'mob' fired by patriotism to descend upon him in piranha like frenzy. He is asking to be 'banged'! Not so? He is a snob and he knows it, condescendingly telling us what a dumb country we are, voting ICC-indictees. He is too good and proud to be part of us savages!
Then really we have to give it to him! the snob! we form a gang, each with his post to eject, and bang him senseless or whatever it is which is the logical end of gang bangs!
But the very sensitive lady was not really seeing the patriotism getting into formation to serve Otishotish right!
I found it a very considered metaphor. So when I saw the warning from OO, I said. I am out of here too. ---Until I read Kamalet!
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Post by 50cents on Mar 10, 2013 16:36:04 GMT 3
OO, Surely hii mambo ya "Ati ametusi mamamgu is just too childish to say the list". Let Jaakwaasanga be. I never took any offense of "gang whatever" that was mentioned. Things hit up at times in any forum I visit in the whole I visit everyday and if every one of them will be threatened by a sack from those forums everytime somebody's blood boils up, what would be the point? We might as well make this a church where all that you can here are people singing "Aleluyiah all will be fine" Controversy, spelling mistakes, bad grammmar are what makes a normal forum. You take that away at your own expense. Sample how somebody boiled up in one of the sites I visited and but people were very civil with him/her. So let go on being gand banged because those who are too sensitive for such words that dont stick have no chance being on the . Arrrrrrrrrgh! I just got this message!
Absolutely in. Will pay tonight and already transferred the funds!
This is absolutely ludicrous!
This isn't the first time I've missed GBs because I didn't get the message (yes, some people actually have responsibilities and aren't be on this site 24/ 7)
There is something really wrong with this business model/ marketing funnel.
Rule #1 for any successful business is uncovering who do you want as clients in the long term?
Who do you want on this site? Long term members? Devoted active, busy, successful people? Or more key board jockeys?
This constant "auction type" payment deal isn't' going to attract and retain high quality clients long term.
I'm astounded this site struggles with funds consistently...yet there are countless people, like me, who would join SEVERAL past Group Buys in a heart beat if we were only allowed to do so.
Makes no sense to me. You have the product, why not make them available? Not fair to the creators? Is this fair right now doing a co-op group buy?
Why not make previous GBs available to those upon request? An extra 255 would help cover much needed site costs and help future growth of feedurbrain.
I showed interest, got everything ready to pay and, low and behold, I missed another GB AGAIN! And all for not allowing myself to be distracted by things like the internet when I had a deadline to meet??? Maybe the people you should value are those who show the most interest, have the most money to spare and willing to go the extra mile for the site....instead of those who are simply internet jockeys who are enticed by "I'm going to miss out".
I mean, who'd want successful business owners to be on a business site...crazy, right?
Now - if you haven't realized it, I'm venting. And for good reason.
This is upsetting. I've done everything right. I even inquired about being allowed in and the payment was created just so I could join.
$255. Says something about my caliber as a client. Wouldn't you like more people who can shell out $255 without so much as blinking?
But I missed out....and what did you get?
Someone who was quicker to pay and can afford $255, which is good....BUT you've done something else.
Offended, upset and blocked out another potential long term customer.
Do you see where this is going?
How much in time, money and energy does it costs to bring in a customer / client?
Then find one who generously and regularly donates to Group buys for that matter?
how long do they typically stay? What's the lifetime value of that customer?
This is important to understand because everything someone gets pissed off, fed up or aggravated, they walk away and never come back.
It costs 10 TIMES MORE to gain a client then keep the ones you already have. You lose gobs of future funds when you hurt, upset or tick off a client. this is good if it's eliminating types of people you don't want here. but not so good when it hurts those you do.
The attraction of this site for me is it save me money. I can buy a whole lot more with less money AND someone can rip it which adds another level of convenience in some cases.
But constantly getting ticked off, aggravated and let down because my opportunity to join is given to some random stranger whose only advantage was "they were quicker" shows you don't a flying crap about me or anyone else on here.
I know this isn't true. I know for a fact every staff member here is dedicated to this site like it's no one businesss...
But regardless, your business model doesn't. It tells me in no uncertain times I'm just a number, another pledge, another drop in the bucket.
USELESS!
I'm sharing this because A. I'm frustrated and B. I'm at a turning point. Should I even bother with being here anymore? what's the benefit? The forums? I own my own business. I don't really get time to browse forums and even if I did, I don't choose to use my spare / free time I've worked so hard to get on browsing forums. I'll do my best to be a part of any discussions I come across but honestly, it's not on my priority list and I don't think any successful business owner would either. I still love how everyone does their very best to help each other. This site helps people most through group buys and encouragement to take action.
GROUP BUYS ARE THE STAR so why not make they the star?
If you're upset and want to ban me, so be it. I'm not getting much value pledging for group buys here only to get shafted everytime.
I'm being as honest as I can be. I believe you guys here at FUB needs to re-strategize because if you'd like long term sustainable growth, you need to bring the best value to your most desired clientele and do so consistently without fail.
Sad I missed on the Group buy. Sad that I missed it. And sad because no matter how hard I try, I would have missed it anyway. Pointless either way.
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Post by 50cents on Mar 10, 2013 16:40:22 GMT 3
Kamalet, Perhaps I should have said 'thread-banging'! --Otishotish was very superiorist in some of his statements explaining his reasons for ditching his Kenyan nationality. Provocatively so. As if inviting the 'mob' fired by patriotism to descend upon him in piranha like frenzy. He is asking to be 'banged'! Not so? He is a snob and he knows it, condescendingly telling us what a dumb country we are, voting ICC-indictees. He is too good and proud to be part of us savages! Then really we have to give it to him! the snob! we form a gang, each with his post to eject, and bang him senseless or whatever it is which is the logical end of gang bangs! But the very sensitive lady was not really seeing the patriotism getting into formation to serve Otishotish right! I found it a very considered metaphor. So when I saw the warning from OO, I said. I am out of here too. ---Until I read Kamalet! I did understand what you meant and those taking offense have a more hidden agenda than this. Probably their aim is to see you kicked out. I call them too sensitive for
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 16:43:55 GMT 3
I think if you were glorifying the act, you would actually have fallen foul of the Jukwaa rules. But I did not read it as glorifying but simply a figure of speech! I am very aware of the engagement rules. Oloo has posted them on the phase --zero tolerance. I have daughters and sisters and, yes, mothers ;D ;D ! And I would not take pleasure in glorifying language that dehumanises them. But I am competent of using otherwise offensive concepts, in a different context that conveys other positive meaning. I learnt this from Black American cultural linguists, who authored the reclamation and positivisation of words like black which in ordinary English language were purely negative: black sheep, black day, black spot! From these blacks we got James Brown I am black and proud. Black is beautiful. Black power! Two terrible examples: the controversial positivisation of the word ni-g-ga by rappers. The verdict is still out there. 2. A boot-camp movie [US marine core training] where a white officer tells his white wife over the phone: I promise to blak-fak you when I come home! The woman giggles prettily, where the code is a blak f- is the ultimate dream of .... Black feminists were up in arms --this is the stereotype of the negro! the sexual objectification of the black male, perpetuating the black stud myth! Popular culture was more laid back! this is an instant where the word black is used as superior to white in performance, whatever the kind. It neutralises the permanent inferiorisation of the word black as in 'black day' for America when Osama hit the towers! Yes, it is a controversial topic, language and use and context. But Jukwaa boasts brains, does it not? So here we go!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 16:51:50 GMT 3
OO, . Let Jaakwaasanga be. Controversy, spelling mistakes, ... are what .... Ai, 50quid, ;D I should report you to the guillotinaire for this matusi! ;D ;D Yawa!
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 10, 2013 18:53:52 GMT 3
Lets not gang poop on Jakaswanga
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 10, 2013 18:55:58 GMT 3
Jakaswanga,
We are with you on this and thanks to Kamalet for his apt definition. I do not blame Oloo for his response following what he may have received from the good lady, and I can understand his dilemma at times on how to balance his act. However, I also would like to encourage Oloo to try hard and remain objective when called for, (I do understand and appreciate that he tries to do so most of the time), by further restraining himself from being prompted to issuing his 'public warnings', when someone had clearly reacted hypersensitively to some sort of a rather harmless remark.
Having said that, I will still apologies to the good lady if I may have rubbed her wrongly and Malkia has my humble bow and respect for her person and others of her ilk and I do not mean anything untoward her and possible others. Damn, these long sentences remind me of one call Omwega of Uchambuzi Tanaka!
Na sasa Jakaswanga, you shouldn't be the one who would even contemplate quietly signing off simply because of a two minutes hiccup. You have no idea on the level of support and liking you may enjoy in this forum, including Malkia's, our queen of hearts!
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Post by vascodagama on Mar 10, 2013 18:57:10 GMT 3
Otishotish,
You could just as well be a slave of a skewed way of thinking when it comes to ICC. How about if 'your' guilty ones are actually innocent? The truth will come out one day and there will be justice for the PEV victims one way or the other.
Take it from me, there will be no sanctions on Kenya, none absolutely.
The next major task is to engineer a functional Kenya Human Rights Commission - one that must ensure that no Kenyan faces any form of discrimination. This way, it will not matter which tribe produces a president. The tribal tensions are an indication of the total failure of the commission, and I wish Kenyans could spend more time on this matter.
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 10, 2013 19:06:51 GMT 3
OtishO brother,
AllI can say at this time is to encourage you to take time off for it may do you some good, and frelect. Waswahili wasema, "kitanda ni mshauri".
On your Kenyan citizenship, I would simply and strongly encourage you to not even think about it! Emotions should have no part to play in the direction you may wish to take.
Having said that, let us share your concerns and ponder on the best way forward.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 19:43:42 GMT 3
Lets not gang poop on Jakaswanga Where were you amigo? it already happened! I am up to my neck in deep sh!t! and drowning like into quicksand or into succulent moors! You need a fire-brigade hose to clean me up! Yaaak! I stop at a golden shower! further is bestial! I am human/Kenyan you know!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 10, 2013 20:01:21 GMT 3
Jakaswanga,We are with you on this and thanks to Kamalet for his apt definition. I do not blame Oloo for his response following what he may have received from the good lady, and I can understand his dilemma at times on how to balance his act. However, I also would like to encourage Oloo to try hard and remain objective when called for, (I do understand and appreciate that he tries to do so most of the time), by further restraining himself from being prompted to issuing his 'public warnings', when someone had clearly reacted hypersensitively to some sort of a rather harmless remark. Having said that, I will still apologies to the good lady if I may have rubbed her wrongly and Malkia has my humble bow and respect for her person and others of her ilk and I do not mean anything untoward her and possible others. Damn, these long sentences remind me of one call Omwega of Uchambuzi Tanaka! Na sasa Jakaswanga, you shouldn't be the one who would even contemplate quietly signing off simply because of a two minutes hiccup. You have no idea on the level of support and liking you may enjoy in this forum, including Malkia's, our queen of hearts! Abdulmote, You know I actually fear the restraint, humbleness and technical rigour which you bring to bear on posts, on operation objectivity, and hit the best thinking nevertheless. In one short post you manage to understand Oloo's dilemmas and contradictions, gently criticise but soothe our beloved queen, praise Jakaswanga but indicate room for improvement! then blast him for plotting to quit like some tail-less reptile! No wonder I abuse you Wise Solomon, and you may be Muslim! I take this opportunity you have prompted, to apologise to humbly Malkia for any offense. It was un-intended, non-personal, and as I relayed to the administrator, I abhor sexism and if guilty, I intend to improve on that, if only to make the dear lady smile my way! HMMM Damn Abdul, you made me apologize publicly! Her Highness owes you whatever it is her majesty deems appropriate!
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 10, 2013 20:06:07 GMT 3
I see Kamale very quickly took care of you notwithstanding your very deep Martha Karua leanings- to gang hose the the soon to dry human waste on your hair. This is why I love jukwaa- you log off and shit happens. Senti 5
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