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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 15:05:30 GMT 3
In Kenya's 'Harry Truman Moment' published in the Star on Saturday, www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-111276/kenyas-harry-truman-moment I note how the media rushed to announce a winner in the 1948 US elections only to have the one they said lost actually be sworn as the next president. The same phenomena is playing out in Kenya where the media went into overdrive declaring Uhuru to be our next president but going by evidence Raila and Cord have amassed of election irregularities and mischief, it's a foregone conclusion the court will nullify the premature declaration of Uhuru as winner of the 2013 elections and at least throw this thing into a run-off between Raila and Uhuru, the only outcome which will ensure peace in the country. Put differently, even if a thorough audit of the election data were to show Raila won this election as he and many of his supporters believe he did, it would be imprudent to declare him the winner as the other side will turn the celebrations they have already had into mayhem. On the other hand, Raila and Cord supporters firmly believe Uhuru aided by Kibaki have stolen yet another election and now look for the courts to do the right thing, which is to nullify the election results and send this thing into a run-off. A confirmation of the flawed announcement that Uhuru won will see the same mayhem and violence one can expect were Raila to be announced as the winner therefore the one and only middle ground that could not result in mayhem, chaos or violence is to simply send this thing into a run-off and let the winner emerge from there and this time both sides agree to live by the outcome--obviously assuming there is no more shameless and arrogant rigging as clearly took place on March 4 and thereafter. I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Uchambuzi Tanaka, www.omwenga.com
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 15:22:02 GMT 3
Omwenga,
You have spoken like a true Kenyan who loves his country.
RR
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Post by dubois on Mar 11, 2013 15:38:02 GMT 3
In Kenya's 'Harry Truman Moment' published in the Star on Saturday, www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-111276/kenyas-harry-truman-moment I note how the media rushed to announce a winner in the 1948 US elections only to have the one they said lost actually be sworn as the next president. The same phenomena is playing out in Kenya where the media went into overdrive declaring Uhuru to be our next president but going by evidence Raila and Cord have amassed of election irregularities and mischief, it's a foregone conclusion the court will nullify the premature declaration of Uhuru as winner of the 2013 elections and at least throw this thing into a run-off between Raila and Uhuru, the only outcome which will ensure peace in the country.Put differently, even if a thorough audit of the election data were to show Raila won this election as he and many of his supporters believe he did, it would be imprudent to declare him the winner as the other side will turn the celebrations they have already had into mayhem. On the other hand, Raila and Cord supporters firmly believe Uhuru aided by Kibaki have stolen yet another election and now look for the courts to do the right thing, which is to nullify the election results and send this thing into a run-off. A confirmation of the flawed announcement that Uhuru won will see the same mayhem and violence one can expect were Raila to be announced as the winner therefore the one and only middle ground that could not result in mayhem, chaos or violence is to simply send this thing into a run-off and let the winner emerge from there and this time both sides agree to live by the outcome--obviously assuming there is no more shameless and arrogant rigging as clearly took place on March 4 and thereafter. I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Uchambuzi Tanaka, www.omwenga.comThe country has moved on! From Kisumu to Mombasa, Garissa to Machakos Kenyans have rejected violence and peacefully accepted the election outcome. Some of you folks have really misread the mood of the country. This time, there will be peace even without Raila And btw, there is nothing Harry Truman like in the declaration of UK as the next president. I hate to repeat myself but I will: it took an excrutiating four days before the results were finally announced. Election observers (local & international) and political party agents all gave the elections a clean bill of health. So, unlike in 1948 when the US media rushed to declare the winner this one was well thought out.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 15:48:44 GMT 3
The country has moved on! From Kisumu to Mombasa, Garissa to Machakos Kenyans have rejected violence and peacefully accepted the election outcome. Some of you folks have really misread the mood of the country. This time, there will be peace even without Raila I believe that in your haste to write something, you have misunderstood the gist of Omwenga's writing. You need to start reading more carefully before vomiting. Omwenga is NOT talking about the situation NOW. It is CORDS supporters who were expected to be violent and they are not. The people who fought in 2007 are now on the other side. He is referring to the almost inevitable judgement that will nullify the results. There is genuine fear that the hordes celebrating will be violent upon learning that they were duped that the matter had been concluded. The situation might be worse if the results point to a Raila victory and the court says so. Therefore in Omwenga's view; a run-off where Uhuru's loss is confirmed by the ballot will prepare them for the inevitable and avert violence. Think before you write.
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Post by dubois on Mar 11, 2013 15:58:13 GMT 3
Please RR. Spare me the BS. You and your friend are in serious need of counselling. You are going through the various stages of grief. Omwenga is clearly suggesting that only a run off will ensure peace and stability. And I am saying Kenya has moved on!
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 16:05:05 GMT 3
Please RR. Spare me the BS. You and your friend are in serious need of counselling. You are going through the various stages of grief. Omwenga is clearly suggesting that only a run off will ensure peace and stability. And I am saying Kenya has moved on! You said that there is peace and Kenyans have already moved on and accepted the election outcome. Which is incorrect, unless your impatience stands in the way of reason. There are Kenyans who have not accepted that outcome. We are saying that the election outcome may be different. We are also saying that we cannot predict the reaction of uhuruto supporters when they realise they were celebrating a fraud. Omwenga is suggesting that a runoff may be a more peaceful outcome over an outright declaration of a Raila win by the SC. Read and understand things. It is a good habit to cultivate. You can scream all you like - but these words are here. Deal with the logic or move on. What you said is clear, what Omwenga said is clear, what I said is clear.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 16:15:23 GMT 3
In Kenya's 'Harry Truman Moment' published in the Star on Saturday, www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-111276/kenyas-harry-truman-moment I note how the media rushed to announce a winner in the 1948 US elections only to have the one they said lost actually be sworn as the next president. The same phenomena is playing out in Kenya where the media went into overdrive declaring Uhuru to be our next president but going by evidence Raila and Cord have amassed of election irregularities and mischief, it's a foregone conclusion the court will nullify the premature declaration of Uhuru as winner of the 2013 elections and at least throw this thing into a run-off between Raila and Uhuru, the only outcome which will ensure peace in the country.Put differently, even if a thorough audit of the election data were to show Raila won this election as he and many of his supporters believe he did, it would be imprudent to declare him the winner as the other side will turn the celebrations they have already had into mayhem. On the other hand, Raila and Cord supporters firmly believe Uhuru aided by Kibaki have stolen yet another election and now look for the courts to do the right thing, which is to nullify the election results and send this thing into a run-off. A confirmation of the flawed announcement that Uhuru won will see the same mayhem and violence one can expect were Raila to be announced as the winner therefore the one and only middle ground that could not result in mayhem, chaos or violence is to simply send this thing into a run-off and let the winner emerge from there and this time both sides agree to live by the outcome--obviously assuming there is no more shameless and arrogant rigging as clearly took place on March 4 and thereafter. I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Uchambuzi Tanaka, www.omwenga.comThe country has moved on! From Kisumu to Mombasa, Garissa to Machakos Kenyans have rejected violence and peacefully accepted the election outcome. Some of you folks have really misread the mood of the country. This time, there will be peace even without Raila And btw, there is nothing Harry Truman like in the declaration of UK as the next president. I hate to repeat myself but I will: it took an excrutiating four days before the results were finally announced. Election observers (local & international) and political party agents all gave the elections a clean bill of health. So, unlike in 1948 when the US media rushed to declare the winner this one was well thought out. Dubois,I have no doubt you're convinced in what you're saying. The reality is different and I speak as one of the observers at Bomas and can assure you no such "clean bill" has been given by any observer I know of.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 16:18:08 GMT 3
Please RR. Spare me the BS. You and your friend are in serious need of counselling. You are going through the various stages of grief. Omwenga is clearly suggesting that only a run off will ensure peace and stability. And I am saying Kenya has moved on! You said that there is peace and Kenyans have already moved on and accepted the election outcome. Which is incorrect, unless your impatience stands in the way of reason. There are Kenyans who have not accepted that outcome. We are saying that the election outcome may be different. We are also saying that we cannot predict the reaction of uhuruto supporters when they realise they were celebrating a fraud. Omwenga is suggesting that a runoff may be a more peaceful outcome over an outright declaration of a Raila win by the SC. Read and understand things. It is a good habit to cultivate. You can scream all you like - but these words are here. Deal with the logic or move on. What you said is clear, what Omwenga said is clear, what I said is clear. RR, I am with you in everything you have said which very accurately sums up what I am saying and thank you for your making it clearer.
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Post by Horth on Mar 11, 2013 16:19:18 GMT 3
I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Omwenga,And what happens if the SC see the matter differently? Will you accept their decision?
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Post by dubois on Mar 11, 2013 16:30:32 GMT 3
First of all, let me reiterate that Kenyans have accepted the election outcome overwhelmingly. We do not have mass action, civil disobedience or boycotts because any reasonable person will tell you that RAO was beaten with a margin so wide it makes some of us actually wish for a second round.
RAO and a few other disgruntled elements are wasting time. Think about it, they have nothing better to do. They have lost the presidency and would now like to engage in some side-shows. Kenyans are not buying it! They are back to work and want to put the elections behind them.
You seem to be overly concerned about the welfare of Jubilee supporters. If Raila can prove his case and get the election nullified, he will still face the same electorate and will be handed another crushing defeat. So one way or another, you folks will have to deal with it. There will be no violence or instability from Kenyans regardless of any outcome. I hope you now get my point.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 16:45:43 GMT 3
First of all, let me reiterate that Kenyans have accepted the election outcome overwhelmingly. We do not have mass action, civil disobedience or boycotts because any reasonable person will tell you that RAO was beaten with a margin so wide it makes some of us actually wish for a second round. RAO and a few other disgruntled elements are wasting time. Think about it, they have nothing better to do. They have lost the presidency and would now like to engage in some side-shows. Kenyans are not buying it! They are back to work and want to put the elections behind them. You seem to be overly concerned about the welfare of Jubilee supporters. If Raila can prove his case and get the election nullified, he will still face the same electorate and will be handed another crushing defeat. So one way or another, you folks will have to deal with it. There will be no violence or instability from Kenyans regardless of any outcome. I hope you now get my point. It's impossible to have any meaningful discussion with anyone who believes in their own made up facts or conversely one who doesn't see reality but chooses to believe their own.
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 16:51:04 GMT 3
I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Omwenga,
And what happens if the SC see the matter differently?
Will you accept their decision?In that case SC will be "biased". That's the spirit as long as Raila is not declared president. Revisit the Financial Times that had warned us of this mindset even before the first ballot was cast.
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Post by dubois on Mar 11, 2013 16:57:16 GMT 3
First of all, let me reiterate that Kenyans have accepted the election outcome overwhelmingly. We do not have mass action, civil disobedience or boycotts because any reasonable person will tell you that RAO was beaten with a margin so wide it makes some of us actually wish for a second round. RAO and a few other disgruntled elements are wasting time. Think about it, they have nothing better to do. They have lost the presidency and would now like to engage in some side-shows. Kenyans are not buying it! They are back to work and want to put the elections behind them. You seem to be overly concerned about the welfare of Jubilee supporters. If Raila can prove his case and get the election nullified, he will still face the same electorate and will be handed another crushing defeat. So one way or another, you folks will have to deal with it. There will be no violence or instability from Kenyans regardless of any outcome. I hope you now get my point. It's impossible to have any meaningful discussion with anyone who believes in their own made up facts or conversely one who doesn't see reality but chooses to believe their own. Ha ha you make me laugh! It is not my reality. It is the reality of election observers, IEBC, CORD party agents and an overwhelming majority of the Kenyan population. You on the other hand, need to sit down and seriously reflect. Do you believe that Raila won this election but somehow with the connivance of election observers over 800,000 votes were stolen from him? If the presidential election was not credible, then what was? Are you folks suggesting that we should repeat the election in toto? How can we argue, for example, that the gubernatorial elections were fair when they were carried out by the same IEBC? Think about it my friend and you will see why I am saying that Kenyans are ready to move on
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 17:19:47 GMT 3
I remain confident the court will do the right thing and as we await that to happen, the least we can do is to pray for our beloved country. Omwenga,And what happens if the SC see the matter differently? Will you accept their decision? The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised. I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu.
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Post by Horth on Mar 11, 2013 17:24:44 GMT 3
The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised. I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu. That's not what I asked you. Let me rephrase: what if a majority of the judges don't see the evidence CORD presents before the SC as you do and they rule against CORD? Will you accept the SC ruling?
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 17:37:16 GMT 3
The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised. I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu. That's not what I asked you. Let me rephrase: what if a majority of the judges don't see the evidence CORD presents before the SC as you do and they rule against CORD? Will you accept the SC ruling? I have answered your question if not satisfied, let's move on for I am not saying anything more on this having answered your question the best I know how.
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Post by affirmed on Mar 11, 2013 17:38:32 GMT 3
First of all, let me reiterate that Kenyans have accepted the election outcome overwhelmingly. We do not have mass action, civil disobedience or boycotts because any reasonable person will tell you that RAO was beaten with a margin so wide it makes some of us actually wish for a second round. RAO and a few other disgruntled elements are wasting time. Think about it, they have nothing better to do. They have lost the presidency and would now like to engage in some side-shows. Kenyans are not buying it! They are back to work and want to put the elections behind them. You seem to be overly concerned about the welfare of Jubilee supporters. If Raila can prove his case and get the election nullified, he will still face the same electorate and will be handed another crushing defeat. So one way or another, you folks will have to deal with it. There will be no violence or instability from Kenyans regardless of any outcome. I hope you now get my point. Be fair to yourself when crafting your responses because not all Kenyans have accepted the results. There are some Kenyans who have not accepted the results. Also, if you are so sure that the same electorate will hand Raila another crushing defeat why not cherish his going to court because it will give you a second opportunity to hand him that "thrashing"-- which should actually give you more satisfaction than this first one which is alleged to have been rigged.
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 17:39:03 GMT 3
Omwenga,And what happens if the SC see the matter differently? Will you accept their decision? The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised.I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu. OmwengaI have followed many of your posts and articles and though I have never agreed with most of them one thing is clear about you especially with your interactions with people here in Jukwaa...you seem like a very decent person,you don't get excessively animated when one disagrees with you...BUT at some point you will have to let go,Raila will not win this simply because we have seen this script before...if Raila was robbed I can bet you their will be no evidence in court,look at the ICC... Raila was built to be played in Kenyan politics...if he cheats the others cheat better,if he cries the others cry better,if he steals the others steal better,if he gets money the others have more money...
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Post by Horth on Mar 11, 2013 17:51:05 GMT 3
I have answered your question if not satisfied, let's move on for I am not saying anything more on this having answered your question the best I know how. No, you evaded. It was a simple yes or no question. The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised. i.e. if the SC doesn't rule your way, they're compromised. You'll only accept the independence of the SC when they rule as you want. Sawa.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 18:21:02 GMT 3
The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised.I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu. OmwengaI have followed many of your posts and articles and though I have never agreed with most of them one thing is clear about you especially with your interactions with people here in Jukwaa...you seem like a very decent person,you don't get excessively animated when one disagrees with you...BUT at some point you will have to let go,Raila will not win this simply because we have seen this script before...if Raila was robbed I can bet you their will be no evidence in court,look at the ICC... Raila was built to be played in Kenyan politics...if he cheats the others cheat better,if he cries the others cry better,if he steals the others steal better,if he gets money the others have more money... Emali, I take what you've said as a complement for which I say thank you but hasten to add many of us do try to be decent even as we are miffed or don't agree with each other. There a re few cases of those incapable of doing so and those are the ones who give any board a bad name but thankfully they are not that many, at least as far as I am concerned. I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. There are several questions that loom large and you'll see something to this effect I'll post addressing some of them, one being the question of whether IEBC can be trusted to handle any election or should a special tribunal be appointed by the court working with the executive as I will advocate. Let me also say something based on what I know based on my several weeks in Kenya and that is, while it's possible for Raila to lose to ICC indictee Uhuru Kenyatta in an open and transparent election, that did not happen on March 4, 2013 as the evidence presented in court will clearly show. That being said, let's all await the court's decision which as I stated earlier must be consistent with the overwhelming evidence placed before it of massive rigging.
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Post by b6k on Mar 11, 2013 18:33:59 GMT 3
I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. Omwenga, if your legal dream team can prove the 50% + 1 was NOT attained then it will lead to a runoff. This may be the easier route. If they are trying to fight for fresh elections (re-run) then they will have to prove the IEBC didn't run a free & fair election. This is a tall order given the general green bill of health the IEBC was given by multiple independent observers including the EU (for those who believe only a mzungu can be truthful) even after allowing for a few flaws here & there. All said & done, I've already purchased more popcorn to enjoy the litigation phase of Elections 2013 ;D
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 18:56:52 GMT 3
OmwengaI have followed many of your posts and articles and though I have never agreed with most of them one thing is clear about you especially with your interactions with people here in Jukwaa...you seem like a very decent person,you don't get excessively animated when one disagrees with you...BUT at some point you will have to let go,Raila will not win this simply because we have seen this script before...if Raila was robbed I can bet you their will be no evidence in court,look at the ICC... Raila was built to be played in Kenyan politics...if he cheats the others cheat better,if he cries the others cry better,if he steals the others steal better,if he gets money the others have more money... Emali, I take what you've said as a complement for which I say thank you but hasten to add many of us do try to be decent even as we are miffed or don't agree with each other. There a re few cases of those incapable of doing so and those are the ones who give any board a bad name but thankfully they are not that many, at least as far as I am concerned. I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. There are several questions that loom large and you'll see something to this effect I'll post addressing some of them, one being the question of whether IEBC can be trusted to handle any election or should a special tribunal be appointed by the court working with the executive as I will advocate. Let me also say something based on what I know based on my several weeks in Kenya and that is, while it's possible for Raila to lose to ICC indictee Uhuru Kenyatta in an open and transparent election, that did not happen on March 4, 2013 as the evidence presented in court will clearly show. That being said, let's all await the court's decision which as I stated earlier must be consistent with the overwhelming evidence placed before it of massive rigging. OmwengaAt some point our courts will have to go against the ‘establishment’ in a strong way if we are ever going to move forward, this case by CORD is the type that could do such a thing but I have my doubts simply because to sustain Impunity you have to work harder than any law abiding citizen... If IEBC can’t be trusted what makes you think this special tribunal will be trusted? It’s not like the special tribunal will consist of Botswana citizens they will still be Kenyans... Kenyans are already tired of elections and most are focused on the difference between Jubilee & CORD in the final tally not the 50% + 1...the current CORD would never win a runoff against Jubilee for reasons I’m sure you will disagree but it is what it is... If CORD table’s hard evidence & wins the case I will be the first to come here & congratulate you but...well... agreed, let’s just wait for the case...
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 19:37:45 GMT 3
I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. Omwenga, if your legal dream team can prove the 50% + 1 was NOT attained then it will lead to a runoff. This may be the easier route. If they are trying to fight for fresh elections (re-run) then they will have to prove the IEBC didn't run a free & fair election. This is a tall order given the general green bill of health the IEBC was given by multiple independent observers including the EU (for those who believe only a mzungu can be truthful) even after allowing for a few flaws here & there. All said & done, I've already purchased more popcorn to enjoy the litigation phase of Elections 2013 ;D b6k,Time is being taken to make sure the petition filed is as airtight as can be and one that calls for one unanimous decision as I am confident shall be the case at the conclusion of this legal process. That evidence will clearly establish that not only were there serious anomalies and glaring discrepancies, the best possible scenario even after allowing some form of cheating that took place is neither side getting more than 50% of the vote and in the best of this scenario, Uhuru get at most 62,000 over Raila even though both under 50%. As I have noted elsewhere, I am of the view, based on what I know how the elections were conducted, turn-out and other information--this race was closer than most people expected but there is no way other than outright rigging Uhuru could have ended up ahead of Raila by the fake numbers IEBC now claims he did. Let there be a run-off and the winner will be sworn as our next president barring any anomalies of the nature to make that impossible, which can all hope there is none.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 11, 2013 19:41:08 GMT 3
Emali, I take what you've said as a complement for which I say thank you but hasten to add many of us do try to be decent even as we are miffed or don't agree with each other. There a re few cases of those incapable of doing so and those are the ones who give any board a bad name but thankfully they are not that many, at least as far as I am concerned. I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. There are several questions that loom large and you'll see something to this effect I'll post addressing some of them, one being the question of whether IEBC can be trusted to handle any election or should a special tribunal be appointed by the court working with the executive as I will advocate. Let me also say something based on what I know based on my several weeks in Kenya and that is, while it's possible for Raila to lose to ICC indictee Uhuru Kenyatta in an open and transparent election, that did not happen on March 4, 2013 as the evidence presented in court will clearly show. That being said, let's all await the court's decision which as I stated earlier must be consistent with the overwhelming evidence placed before it of massive rigging. OmwengaAt some point our courts will have to go against the ‘establishment’ in a strong way if we are ever going to move forward, this case by CORD is the type that could do such a thing but I have my doubts simply because to sustain Impunity you have to work harder than any law abiding citizen... If IEBC can’t be trusted what makes you think this special tribunal will be trusted? It’s not like the special tribunal will consist of Botswana citizens they will still be Kenyans... Kenyans are already tired of elections and most are focused on the difference between Jubilee & CORD in the final tally not the 50% + 1...the current CORD would never win a runoff against Jubilee for reasons I’m sure you will disagree but it is what it is... If CORD table’s hard evidence & wins the case I will be the first to come here & congratulate you but...well... agreed, let’s just wait for the case... emali, Yes, let's just wait for the outcome of the case. Meanwhile, follows my blog as I'll be sharing views and thoughts based on what I know or as it comes my way related to this and in particular, read my column this weekend in which I disclose something I know is afoot--at least as a strategy to harvest votes in RV for UK; I have stated this before but will be more clearer, especially given recent developments.
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