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Post by andycapp on Apr 10, 2013 18:48:36 GMT 3
Did anyone happen to see any major western envoy the the coronation of our 'tribal chief President ?
It seemed that the bulk of the pictorials show the chief President with a bunch of fellow thieves and villains Presidents such as Mugabe, Museveni, Kabila, Kiir and other important actors on the world stage.
Was it the Bashir angle or was it that they are trying to send a message to the criminals President and Deputy.
This seems unprecedented in a 'democratically conducted' process for them to shun the event. It was reported that ALL BIG envoys were not there,,Germany, France, UK, US, Italy, Spain, Holland, Sweden, Canada...etc
Any truth to this ? I did not watch the festivities.
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Post by OJ on Apr 10, 2013 18:56:04 GMT 3
I watched and noticed that all the envoys of the Western World were absent from the function...
Methinks attending the function did NOT fall within the 'essential contacts' list.
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Post by b6k on Apr 10, 2013 23:12:50 GMT 3
I watched and noticed that all the envoys of the Western World were absent from the function... Methinks attending the function did NOT fall within the 'essential contacts' list. as the late R911 would have said! You may have watched the "festivities" but overlooked one little fact in the world of diplomacy. Pray tell, if you send out invitations & a section of your invited guests have in the past made a big stink about not attending the said festivities or recognizing your legitimacy as host, would you REALLY seat them at the high table or somewhere in the periphery? The US ambassador was there as was the UK high commissioner & ALL other western envoys. If you watched keenly you would have noted the diplomats around the high table had, in order of importance, an African, then an (Asian) eastern, & finally a east european look to them. Your western caucasoid masters were relegated to the second division seats, somewhere out of the view of the main cameras. This is something called protocol.... If you don't believe me, have a look at this.... & read their own media's take on the said festivities....  Uhuru Kenyatta inauguration and the inconvenient ICC truth
Case seems to be crumbling and criticism of court increasing, which may suit the west but not the victims of election violenceWherein they say: "Britain, America and EU countries sent no one more or less senior than ambassador"....&... "Pointing to the Sudan example, analysts believe that the west can quite comfortably continue to interact with various government agencies while keeping contact with Kenyatta and Ruto to a minimum"......& the whopper!... "And "business as usual" seems the most likely outcome because of sheer pragmatism. Kenya is too big to ignore. British companies are heavily invested in its economy. Kenyan troops are helping battle Islamist militants inside Somalia, and Kenya hosts a US military base near the Somali border"
...& the shocker!... "All of which means that it is of mutual interest for both sides not to rock the boat, and hope that the ICC case quietly fades away. Which will be of no consolation to the victims of the election carnage that left more than 1,100 people dead, who five years on are still awaiting justice."Ambassadors, my friend, are your so called envoys anywhere in the diplomatic world. Need I remind you that only ambassadors, ministers & heads of state fly KE's flag?... ...full article here: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/09/uhuru-kenyatta-inauguration-iccKnowing your CORD leaning stance the only local daily you would probably trust is The Star. Well, here's their list of the attendees including the first sitting South African head of state to visit KE, Jacob Zuma: China and India, key Brics (Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa) bloc members that have recently become key trade partners were represented by senior government officials. Zhang Baowen, the Vice Chairman of the National People’s Congress was the Special Envoy representing China while Indian government dispatched Dr Shashi Tharoor - Minister of State for Human Resource & Special Envoy. Other dignitaries at the Stadium were Presidents Salva Kiir of South Sudan, Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, Jakaya Kikwete of Tanzania, Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria, Omar Bongo of Gabon and Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe. Others are Presidents Paul Kagame of Rwanda, Ismail Omar Guelleh of Djibouti, Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud of Somalia, and Joseph Kabila of DR Congo and Pierre Nkrunzinza of Burundi. In attendance also were the Prime Ministers of Morocco Abdelilah Benkirane, Algeria’s Abelmalek Sellal, Egypt’s Hisham Kandil, Ethiopia’s Hailemariam Desalegn and Seychelles’ Vice President Danny Faure. EAC secretary general Richard Sezibera, Burundi’s First Vice President Terence Sinunguruza, Malawi’s Vice President Khumbo Kachali, Zambia’s Vice President Guy Scott, African Union’s Nkosozana Zuma and representatives of the governments of Malawi, Ghana, UAE, Botswana, South Korea, Commonwealth secretariat, Comesa, Brazil, Mexico, Pope Francis’ Special Envoy Archbishop Francisco M. Padilla, Sri Lanka were also in attendance. Former presidents in attendance were Daniel Moi and his Zambian colleague Kenneth Kaunda while Uhuru invited US clergy Jesse Jackson. Also present was Rebecca Garang, spouse of former President of South Sudan John Garang. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-116010/high-profile-guests-grace-uhuru-inauguration-feteWhen I see idealists on Jukwaa disengaging themselves from taking on yours truly head on I can only smile, because instead of believing their own wishful thinking & party propaganda on how things will play out they ought to have paid attention to the reality on the ground in order to save themselves a great deal of heartache. Pragmatism rules the day.... PS: How did Raila's visit with Madiba go down in ZA? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by bkichwa on Apr 10, 2013 23:56:44 GMT 3
Andycapp,
Sorry to disappoint, but there was a whole section in the VIP section behind and to the right of the main presidential dias, that was reserved for envoys. Chairs in this section had respective tags stuck to them indicating the designated seating for each country. There were assigned official ushers intentionally hovering around this area, making sure that these seats were not taken by people who were not the representative envoys for whom they were reserved (VIP section got crowded and there was a shortage of seats). Eventually the envoys arrived. All seats were filled. They sat through the whole event, getting up occasionally to take pictures of various parts of the event like arrival of heads of state, inauguration of the new president, etc.
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Post by cheshirecat on Apr 11, 2013 7:52:38 GMT 3
Did anyone happen to see any major western envoy the the coronation of our 'tribal chief President ? It seemed that the bulk of the pictorials show the chief President with a bunch of fellow thieves and villains Presidents such as Mugabe, Museveni, Kabila, Kiir and other important actors on the world stage. Was it the Bashir angle or was it that they are trying to send a message to the criminals President and Deputy. This seems unprecedented in a 'democratically conducted' process for them to shun the event. It was reported that ALL BIG envoys were not there,,Germany, France, UK, US, Italy, Spain, Holland, Sweden, Canada...etc Any truth to this ? I did not watch the festivities. So you are allowed to throw insults around as long as you strike them through?  andy, would you care to tell us which court on this planet has found any of the men you refer to as thieves and criminals guilty of anything? or are we talking about the Cord Court, where anyone who dares have a different opinion from the 'anointed one' automatically becomes guilty of something? |
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Post by OJ on Apr 11, 2013 10:05:10 GMT 3
b6k, I stand corrected on my failure to notice them. I only commented on what I saw. If I did not notice them, it was NOT because I was fronting any party position. We are beyond that now and have to move on. I just didn't notice them. If they were there, well and good. No need to draw daggers. If I had seen them, I would most definitely not have made the same statement...
I have accepted UK as PORK. We can't dwell on petty issues now. Let us move on.
I for one felt RAO should have attended the inauguration. It was not wise for them to miss. It shows a certain lack of statesmanship. The country is bigger than any individual. His presence there would have earned him some political mileage. The timing was very suspect if you ask me.
As much as he did not agree with the outcome, the deed is done. We have to move on.
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Post by einstein on Apr 11, 2013 12:38:33 GMT 3
I watched and noticed that all the envoys of the Western World were absent from the function... Methinks attending the function did NOT fall within the 'essential contacts' list. as the late R911 would have said! You may have watched the "festivities" but overlooked one little fact in the world of diplomacy. Pray tell, if you send out invitations & a section of your invited guests have in the past made a big stink about not attending the said festivities or recognizing your legitimacy as host, would you REALLY seat them at the high table or somewhere in the periphery? The US ambassador was there as was the UK high commissioner & ALL other western envoys. If you watched keenly you would have noted the diplomats around the high table had, in order of importance, an African, then an (Asian) eastern, & finally a east european look to them. Your western caucasoid masters were relegated to the second division seats, somewhere out of the view of the main cameras. This is something called protocol.... If you don't believe me, have a look at this.... & read their own media's take on the said festivities.... Uhuru Kenyatta inauguration and the inconvenient ICC truth
Case seems to be crumbling and criticism of court increasing, which may suit the west but not the victims of election violenceWherein they say: "Britain, America and EU countries sent no one more or less senior than ambassador"....&... "Pointing to the Sudan example, analysts believe that the west can quite comfortably continue to interact with various government agencies while keeping contact with Kenyatta and Ruto to a minimum"......& the whopper!... "And "business as usual" seems the most likely outcome because of sheer pragmatism. Kenya is too big to ignore. British companies are heavily invested in its economy. Kenyan troops are helping battle Islamist militants inside Somalia, and Kenya hosts a US military base near the Somali border"
...& the shocker!... "All of which means that it is of mutual interest for both sides not to rock the boat, and hope that the ICC case quietly fades away. Which will be of no consolation to the victims of the election carnage that left more than 1,100 people dead, who five years on are still awaiting justice."Ambassadors, my friend, are your so called envoys anywhere in the diplomatic world. Need I remind you that only ambassadors, ministers & heads of state fly KE's flag?... ...full article here: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/09/uhuru-kenyatta-inauguration-iccKnowing your CORD leaning stance the only local daily you would probably trust is The Star. Well, here's their list of the attendees including the first sitting South African head of state to visit KE, Jacob Zuma: China and India, key Brics (Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa) bloc members that have recently become key trade partners were represented by senior government officials. Zhang Baowen, the Vice Chairman of the National People’s Congress was the Special Envoy representing China while Indian government dispatched Dr Shashi Tharoor - Minister of State for Human Resource & Special Envoy. Other dignitaries at the Stadium were Presidents Salva Kiir of South Sudan, Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, Jakaya Kikwete of Tanzania, Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria, Omar Bongo of Gabon and Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe. Others are Presidents Paul Kagame of Rwanda, Ismail Omar Guelleh of Djibouti, Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud of Somalia, and Joseph Kabila of DR Congo and Pierre Nkrunzinza of Burundi. In attendance also were the Prime Ministers of Morocco Abdelilah Benkirane, Algeria’s Abelmalek Sellal, Egypt’s Hisham Kandil, Ethiopia’s Hailemariam Desalegn and Seychelles’ Vice President Danny Faure. EAC secretary general Richard Sezibera, Burundi’s First Vice President Terence Sinunguruza, Malawi’s Vice President Khumbo Kachali, Zambia’s Vice President Guy Scott, African Union’s Nkosozana Zuma and representatives of the governments of Malawi, Ghana, UAE, Botswana, South Korea, Commonwealth secretariat, Comesa, Brazil, Mexico, Pope Francis’ Special Envoy Archbishop Francisco M. Padilla, Sri Lanka were also in attendance. Former presidents in attendance were Daniel Moi and his Zambian colleague Kenneth Kaunda while Uhuru invited US clergy Jesse Jackson. Also present was Rebecca Garang, spouse of former President of South Sudan John Garang. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-116010/high-profile-guests-grace-uhuru-inauguration-feteWhen I see idealists on Jukwaa disengaging themselves from taking on yours truly head on I can only smile, because instead of believing their own wishful thinking & party propaganda on how things will play out they ought to have paid attention to the reality on the ground in order to save themselves a great deal of heartache. Pragmatism rules the day.... PS: How did Raila's visit with Madiba go down in ZA? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh boy, so the board has jilted you? Have you ever heard of the phrase 'being magnanimous in victory'? That you got jilted on the board may just have everything to do with that phrase. You are all over the map/board and falling all over yourself my friend. Please slow down! Now, can I hear somebody saying a BIG 'thank you' for this engagement! ;D ;D ;D ;D! |
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Post by mank on Apr 11, 2013 13:34:36 GMT 3
So Raila did not attend? That's interesting!
In future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations. "There comes a time" when the nation is bigger than the individual ... may be that time has not yet come for some of us!
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Post by einstein on Apr 11, 2013 16:49:45 GMT 3
So Raila did not attend? That's interesting! In future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations.[/size] "There comes a time" when the nation is bigger than the individual ... may be that time has not yet come for some of us![/quote] Oh, I wonder who hurled mud balls at former President Moi during his handover ceremony in 2003. Please do not tell me they were Raila's goons from Kibera No. 8! And I also wonder who called Moi names in Moi's very presence in his very first speech as president of Kenya. Was it the former President Mwai Kibaki by any chance? If so, then it is really true that in future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations.[/size] How do you like that? |
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 11, 2013 16:52:07 GMT 3
So Raila did not attend? That's interesting! In future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations. "There comes a time" when the nation is bigger than the individual ... may be that time has not yet come for some of us! Everyone will understand why Raila did not attend the inauguration after the Supreme Court renders its written opinion and definitely when the media gets around to reporting certain known facts; that could be soon, later or decades from now but the truth shall be known. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 11, 2013 17:59:28 GMT 3
So Raila did not attend? That's interesting! In future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations. "There comes a time" when the nation is bigger than the individual ... may be that time has not yet come for some of us! Everyone will understand why Raila did not attend the inauguration after the Supreme Court renders its written opinion and definitely when the media gets around to reporting certain known facts; that could be soon, later or decades from now but the truth shall be known. For those who have been around for a while, do not any way find Raila's posturing and behavior in this instance as being inconsistent with what he has done in the past. Indeed it would have been very surprising to some of us to see him at Kasarani as that would have revealed a totally transformed man to the amazement of many. I therefore take the view that regardless of what the Supreme Court says or does not say, as long as the decision never favored Raila, it is foolhardy for anyone to have expected cuddling from Raila. That is just not his style. My joy at this time is, the new generation of politicians have mastered his game, and have come up with very lethal counter strategies as we just witnessed. Yet the man has refused to undergo any form of renewal. I still see Raila today where I saw him at Thika Municipal Stadium in 1996 in a tussle with the late Wamalwa Kijana. |
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Post by emali on Apr 11, 2013 19:21:31 GMT 3
Everyone will understand why Raila did not attend the inauguration after the Supreme Court renders its written opinion and definitely when the media gets around to reporting certain known facts; that could be soon, later or decades from now but the truth shall be known. For those who have been around for a while, do not any way find Raila's posturing and behavior in this instance as being inconsistent with what he has done in the past. Indeed it would have been very surprising to some of us to see him at Kasarani as that would have revealed a totally transformed man to the amazement of many. I therefore take the view that regardless of what the Supreme Court says or does not say, as long as the decision never favored Raila, it is foolhardy for anyone to have expected cuddling from Raila. That is just not his style. My joy at this time is, the new generation of politicians have mastered his game, and have come up with very lethal counter strategies as we just witnessed. Yet the man has refused to undergo any form of renewal. I still see Raila today where I saw him at Thika Municipal Stadium in 1996 in a tussle with the late Wamalwa Kijana. I will give you that...unless one is delusional or in denial its quite obvious Uhuruto thumped CORD in every conceivable way (possibly unconstitutional ways too)...so Mwalimumkuu enjoy your victory and if your slithering duo keep their form it could be for another two decades but don’t keep your hopes too high because conversely it could even be less than five years...that’s how fragile their union is... As for Raila I don’t want to write his obituary just yet...he is a fighter and I hope he figures it out, simply put Uhuruto ran circles around him and he assisted them in his own defeat, using Jukwaa as a microcosm of our national playing field on one side you have Omwenga breaking world records for the wrongness of his prognostications (no offense buddy)and on the other side you have the wily, never can pin down, provocateur Kamalet..,it was a massacre of biblical proportions...YES Raila was humbled... As for your slithering duo...they sold water to a whale...they even have grown men believing giving laptops to class 1’s is a good idea...maybe the class 8’s who will simply ‘borrow’ them from day 1 hatched that idea! And using Jukwaa as a microcosm again even our own B6K nowadays sounds like you (no offence buddies) so YES again more power to you... BUT Some of us can’t be fooled by this Uhuruto wave...a leopard can’t change it’s spots even with a digital screensaver...this Interview by the Rev Njoya in its entirety (thanks @ merkeju) is very telling about why I believe what I’m writing... Ultimately Jubilee can’t /won’t give the people what they want…ownership of their own country. They already campaigned against the constitution, their DNA is built on KANU politics and their interests are first to ensure the status quo prevails…that won’t change no matter how many bones they throw the rest of us… |
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Post by mank on Apr 11, 2013 20:21:01 GMT 3
So Raila did not attend? That's interesting! In future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations. "There comes a time" when the nation is bigger than the individual ... may be that time has not yet come for some of us! Oh, I wonder who hurled mud balls at former President Moi during his handover ceremony in 2003. Please do not tell me they were Raila's goons from Kibera No. 8! And I also wonder who called Moi names in Moi's very presence in his very first speech as president of Kenya. Was it the former President Mwai Kibaki by any chance? If so, then it is really true that in future presidential candidates should take some time to study how their counterparts in more established democracies act in given contingencies, and how their actions impact them and the politics of their nations.[/size] How do you like that?[/quote][/size][/quote] I don't get your drift! |
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Post by einstein on Apr 11, 2013 21:20:41 GMT 3
Of course you were bound to miss my drift! That was just completely thoughtless what you wrote up there! |
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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2013 1:29:16 GMT 3
Oh boy, so the board has jilted you? Have you ever heard of the phrase 'being magnanimous in victory'? That you got jilted on the board may just have everything to do with that phrase. You are all over the map/board and falling all over yourself my friend. Please slow down! Now, can I hear somebody saying a BIG 'thank you' for this engagement! ;D ;D ;D ;D! Hehehe. My dear fellow Al Einstein, how, pray tell, has the board "jilted" yours truly? Also, why do you confuse my celebrating the false messiah's demise as an event that requires my magnanimity? I may be twice mourning, but at least, grateful I'm not in the wing that is gnashing their teeth, renting their garments & donning sackcloth & ashes because the anointed one was not.....anointed ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2013 1:36:28 GMT 3
b6k, I stand corrected on my failure to notice them. I only commented on what I saw. If I did not notice them, it was NOT because I was fronting any party position. We are beyond that now and have to move on. I just didn't notice them. If they were there, well and good. No need to draw daggers. If I had seen them, I would most definitely not have made the same statement... I have accepted UK as PORK. We can't dwell on petty issues now. Let us move on. I for one felt RAO should have attended the inauguration. It was not wise for them to miss. It shows a certain lack of statesmanship. The country is bigger than any individual. His presence there would have earned him some political mileage. The timing was very suspect if you ask me. As much as he did not agree with the outcome, the deed is done. We have to move on. , the fact remains your previous comment was quite categorical that certain folks were "missing" from the proceedings. Your inference was clear, whether you wish to admit it now or not. I for one didn't waste my time looking for diplomatic "rock stars" from the west to validate (or not) a presidential inauguration. It is really neither here nor there whether they sent an envoy or not. The fact remains they will have to deal with the new head of state whether they like it or not. As for Raila's lack of attendance, I leave it to his peanut gallery to decide whether that added value to his cause or not. I do, however, concur with you that his absence cost him a lot more than his presence would have.... |
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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2013 1:47:21 GMT 3
And using Jukwaa as a microcosm again even our own B6K nowadays sounds like you (no offence buddies) so YES again more power to you... , Emali? If you know what ABR is all about then you can possibly conceive how B6k can "sound" like Mwalimumkuu ;D |
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Post by mank on Apr 12, 2013 3:00:00 GMT 3
Of course you were bound to miss my drift! That was just completely thoughtless what you wrote up there!Says Einstein ... not a name to associate with thoughtlessness  . |
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