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Post by omundustrong on Apr 25, 2013 12:54:29 GMT 3
We now have 16 nominees and therefore we have enough meat to bite on.Reading through the list i couldnt fail to relate with the scenario at Nyeri homecoming where Mary Wambui assured the people that there was enough food but the truth was that it wasnt, I saw a woman grab her share run,one guy had a large piece of meat that he grabbed and also started to run away with.I also want to relate to a situation where a pack of dogs are struggling with meat and one dog picks a huge chunk and runs away.
Now back to the issue at hand ,looking at the nominees one wing of the coalition has run away with the a huge chunk while the principal is left to share his piece with all the others.Selfishness?Most likely,game plan for 2017?Most likely.The knives are now out clearly and now we may hazard a guess as to why it took so long to unveil the list.One side must have insisted on the 50% and asked the other to share his side with the remaining hoi poloi.
What is instructive is that for the side with the big chunk all the nominees are professionals suited for the dockets where they have been placed and will have no problem in the vetting process.As for the other side they will have to grabble with corruption issues,being placed inappropriately,were rewarded on the strength of poll losers pleading their case ,you just have to look at the names to know who nominated them.
Now this is where the rubber touches the road,will parliament be railroaded to pass the names blindly?I dont think so,some of the nominees in particular Balala,Ngilu are red herrings put there so that they are rejected then appropriate nominees substituted.The URP wing sits pretty waiting to outshine their colleagues and then the stage is set for 2017.Is this the face of Kenya?definitely no?Ngilu cannot certainly be the face of Ukambani,nor can Balala be the face of Coast.
Why is it that one community has more than 5 nominees?So does it mean we continue voting tribally for us to have "our time to eat"?
Let me leave the rest for the able jukwaaists.
Later i will tell you why the tears may have been crocodile tears after all.
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Post by cheshirecat on Apr 25, 2013 13:03:17 GMT 3
What is instructive is that for the side with the big chunk all the nominees are professionals suited for the dockets where they have been placed and will have no problem in the vetting process.As for the other side they will have to grabble with corruption issues,being placed inappropriately,were rewarded on the strength of poll losers pleading their case ,you just have to look at the names to know who nominated them. Now this is where the rubber touches the road,will parliament be railroaded to pass the names blindly?I dont think so,some of the nominees in particular Balala,Ngilu are red herrings put there so that they are rejected then appropriate nominees substituted.The URP wing sits pretty waiting to outshine their colleagues and then the stage is set for 2017.Is this the face of Kenya?definitely no?Ngilu cannot certainly be the face of Ukambani,nor can Balala be the face of Coast. Why is it that one community has more than 5 nominees?So does it mean we continue voting tribally for us to have "our time to eat"? Let me leave the rest for the able jukwaaists. Balala has no corruption scandal that i know of. Ngilu is as corrupt as they come. But all jubilee will need to do is to produce ODM's defense of her when those allegations came up. Remember she stole while in the party of 'reforms and democracy'  ODM will need to tell us if they were lying to us then or now. |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 25, 2013 15:00:32 GMT 3
What is instructive is that for the side with the big chunk all the nominees are professionals suited for the dockets where they have been placed and will have no problem in the vetting process.As for the other side they will have to grabble with corruption issues,being placed inappropriately,were rewarded on the strength of poll losers pleading their case ,you just have to look at the names to know who nominated them. Now this is where the rubber touches the road,will parliament be railroaded to pass the names blindly?I dont think so,some of the nominees in particular Balala,Ngilu are red herrings put there so that they are rejected then appropriate nominees substituted.The URP wing sits pretty waiting to outshine their colleagues and then the stage is set for 2017.Is this the face of Kenya?definitely no?Ngilu cannot certainly be the face of Ukambani,nor can Balala be the face of Coast. Why is it that one community has more than 5 nominees?So does it mean we continue voting tribally for us to have "our time to eat"? Let me leave the rest for the able jukwaaists. Balala has no corruption scandal that i know of. Ngilu is as corrupt as they come. But all jubilee will need to do is to produce ODM's defense of her when those allegations came up. Remember she stole while in the party of 'reforms and democracy' ODM will need to tell us if they were lying to us then or now. Which community is that with 5 nominees? Care to point out as I see different numbers? Kisii - 1 Kalenjin - 4 Somali - 2 Kikuyu - 3 Luo - 1 Meru - 1 Borana - 1 Luhya - 1 Kamba - 1 Swahili - 1 .....unless you subscribe to the silly maths of loud mouth Robert Alai. |
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Post by omundustrong on Apr 25, 2013 15:45:38 GMT 3
Hi Kamale 4 is 22% of the total slots available for the rest to share,my point basically is that we were told that the cabinet would show national outlook therefore when you allocate 22% from one community then you shortchange the rest.
As for Robert Alai i dont know who he is nor his silly maths!
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Post by abdulmote on Apr 25, 2013 17:33:54 GMT 3
The simple logic of having the "national face" composing the Cabinet, is so as to avoid any perceived bias of control in favour of a particular ethnic group in the said Cabin. After all and by default, it shouldn't matter who the CS is, since one is supposed and is legally obliged to serve the whole nation equally and without undue discrimination! Where you have a skewed composition in favor of a particular ethnic group, then one can deduce a hidden agenda towards manipulation of national resources, such that only a fellow ethnic 'comrade' will suffice in pulling the deals off.
Having said that, the indications are clear for all to see. Two more slots to fill and I just hope Uhuru will be strong enough not to fill the same with his kins and at the same time manages to put a cap on Ruto. Between the two, I think Ruto can be more manipulative and selfish than Uhuru.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 25, 2013 17:54:33 GMT 3
Hi Kamale 4 is 22% of the total slots available for the rest to share,my point basically is that we were told that the cabinet would show national outlook therefore when you allocate 22% from one community then you shortchange the rest. As for Robert Alai i dont know who he is nor his silly maths! I actually would have no problem even if the 22% went to 25% for the simple reason that I am looking at the abilities of the holder of the office as opposed to their tribal background. I think it is so analogue or 80s to be still looking at the ethnic background of a Kenyan asked to serve his country! Some of these guys are making sacrifices from their careers to server their country and yet we have some armchair critics who want to look at nothing but tribe as opposed to the ability of the nominees! For the record, I have absolutely no issue with any of the 22% you allege as I think they are competent from their backgrounds. Being a gikuyu whose tribe has been recipient of most tribal allegations, none of those gikuyus ever did anything for me and that will hold true for anyone appointed to these posts. They should never be seen as community posts! |
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Post by omundu on Apr 25, 2013 18:03:05 GMT 3
The simple logic of having the "national face" composing the Cabinet, is so as to avoid any perceived bias of control in favour of a particular ethnic group in the said Cabin. After all and by default, it shouldn't matter who the CS is, since one is supposed and is legally obliged to serve the whole nation equally and without undue discrimination! Where you have a skewed composition in favor of a particular ethnic group, then one can deduce a hidden agenda towards manipulation of national resources, such that only a fellow ethnic 'comrade' will suffice in pulling the deals off. Having said that, the indications are clear for all to see. Two more slots to fill and I just hope Uhuru will be strong enough not to fill the same with his kins and at the same time manages to put a cap on Ruto. Between the two, I think Ruto can be more manipulative and selfish than Uhuru. I second you on that Abdul. I think Uhuru may be trying his level best to do things in a balanced, "break from the past" way but Ruto... I am still not sure about him. Uhuru may surprise many, me included, Ruto however, is still a very ambitious fella and to him, the vice presidency may just be a step to bigger things. For risk of sounding juvenile, i hope after the first 100 day "grace period" Ruto will slowly settle down to his job and leave Uhuru to his devices. Surely, i know it is a breath of fresh air for periodic updates from the state house lawn ala Obama style but do they both have to be there each and every turn ? Just asking. |
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Post by destiny on Apr 25, 2013 18:49:55 GMT 3
Ethnic or regional background?  We still have Wahindis, Digo, Suba, Njemps, Taitas, Embus, Ndorobos, Kenyan Whites, Akorinos, Jews, Gays, lesbians, youths, Turkanas and what have you.............. |
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Post by podp on Apr 26, 2013 12:23:45 GMT 3
We now have 16 nominees and therefore we have enough meat to bite on.Reading through the list i couldnt fail to relate with the scenario at Nyeri homecoming where Mary Wambui assured the people that there was enough food but the truth was that it wasnt, I saw a woman grab her share run,one guy had a large piece of meat that he grabbed and also started to run away with.I also want to relate to a situation where a pack of dogs are struggling with meat and one dog picks a huge chunk and runs away. Now back to the issue at hand ,looking at the nominees one wing of the coalition has run away with the a huge chunk while the principal is left to share his piece with all the others.Selfishness?Most likely,game plan for 2017?Most likely.The knives are now out clearly and now we may hazard a guess as to why it took so long to unveil the list.One side must have insisted on the 50% and asked the other to share his side with the remaining hoi poloi. What is instructive is that for the side with the big chunk all the nominees are professionals suited for the dockets where they have been placed and will have no problem in the vetting process.As for the other side they will have to grabble with corruption issues,being placed inappropriately,were rewarded on the strength of poll losers pleading their case ,you just have to look at the names to know who nominated them. Now this is where the rubber touches the road,will parliament be railroaded to pass the names blindly?I dont think so,some of the nominees in particular Balala,Ngilu are red herrings put there so that they are rejected then appropriate nominees substituted.The URP wing sits pretty waiting to outshine their colleagues and then the stage is set for 2017.Is this the face of Kenya?definitely no?Ngilu cannot certainly be the face of Ukambani,nor can Balala be the face of Coast. Why is it that one community has more than 5 nominees?So does it mean we continue voting tribally for us to have "our time to eat"?
Let me leave the rest for the able jukwaaists. Later i will tell you why the tears may have been crocodile tears after all. that is the beef all need to focus on 42 KENYAN TRIBES AND THE MINISTRY ALLOCATION. 1. Kikuyu -James Macharia; Ann Waiguru; Michael Kamau (the kikuyus alone gave jubilee 3 million votes). The largest single community. 2. Somali- Aden Mohammed 3. Galla- Amina Mohammed 4. Borana- Hassan Wario 5. Kipsigis- Davis Chirchir 6. Keiyo- Henry Rotich 7. Tugen- Phylis Kandie 8. Nandi- Felix Kosgey 9. Bukusu- Judy Wakhungu 10. Luo- Rachael Omamo 11. Swahili/Arab- Najib Balala 12. Kisii- Fred Matiangi 13. Meru- Jacob Kaimenyi 14. Kamba- Charity Ngilu 15. Marakwet 16. Kuria 17. Embu 18. Taveta 19. Pokomo 20. Taita 21. Digo 22. Giriama 23. Duruma 24. Teso 25. Turkana 26. Maasai 27. Samburu 28. Njemps 29. Pokot 30. Rendille 31. Boni 32. Sabaot 33. Ndorobo 34. Elmolo 35. Gabbra 36. Mbeere 37. Maragoli 38. Bunyore 39. Samia 40. Orma 41. Tiriki 42. Kabras REGIONS RIFT VALLEY-4 (The most populated and expansive. The four tribes gave jubilee the highest votes). CENTRAL-3 EASTERN-3 NORTH EASTERN-2( the two tribes are the marginalized) NYANZA-2 COAST- 1 WESTERN-1 |
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Post by omundustrong on Apr 26, 2013 12:42:35 GMT 3
Podp thanks for the breakdown though on a light touch iam protesting putting my sub-tribe as last on the list!
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Post by ellepaso on Apr 26, 2013 14:50:37 GMT 3
In as much as we mourn about the cabinet not reflecting the face of Kenya, "Jumbirii" "won" the elections and so they should be given a chance to govern. Moreover, though I am CORDED, I see as if this is the best mix of mininsterial nominations that we have ever had. Just think of the past, the way Kenyatta (senior), Moi and Kibaki did their appointments, unconstrained by the small matter of the constitution. I think that despite everything that went down on 4 March, we as Kenyans are making a big political stride compared to our brothers and sisters in the continent.
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Post by audacityofhope on Apr 26, 2013 14:59:56 GMT 3
For risk of sounding juvenile, i hope after the first 100 day "grace period" Ruto will slowly settle down to his job and leave Uhuru to his devices. Surely, i know it is a breath of fresh air for periodic updates from the state house lawn ala Obama style but do they both have to be there each and every turn ? Just asking. Omundu, Ruto has been a keen student of power politics in Kenya since his Y2K days and I for one seem to appreciate his MO crowding the Prezy purely because the nature of Kenyan politics at the apex has been that of a Machiavellian nature - clever secret planning and not being honest (The Prof of politics would promise 10 people the same thing) and all that edged on by a cabal of unofficial unduly influential advisers aka Kitchen cabinet (KC) to achieve/impose their aims. His "being there each and every turn" as you put it has held the 50-50 agreement intact. But see what the KC has already achieved - after Ruto assured the public that only technocrats would be nominated, he goes to bed and the KC swoop in on PORK and against Ruto's wishes, the following day PORK sacrifices his 50 for Ngilu and Balala on basis of influence from "handlers" as reported by a major daily. When Ruto said it publicly that he did not know who would be Kenya's next president but he knew who WOULD NOT BE, he was making a subtle point that even RAO with his position of PM didn't read well at what was cooking. In a political landscape strewn with the stench of littered MOUs, Ruto is well aware of how things have gone down (or rather not gone down as per the letter). So as a small-time pundit, I put it out there to Jukwaarists that it is this trepidation that has informed Ruto ahead of his looming May 28 date with ICC that he "waive his right to attend court in person". Should he fail in his application to the court, the KC will no doubt try to make haste some mileage in his absence and get some irreversible stuff in place. News just in: Now DP Ruto asks for postponement of his case till November (BBC) Lastly Omundu, don't we have this saying in the village that "He walks with 'Omwami' (chief) is better than an 'omlimi' (a farmer i.e. the hardworking guy in the field)"? It seems to hold higher stakes especially now at this period of transistion. |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 26, 2013 15:37:26 GMT 3
Contrary to what people think, the dynamic duo has a 20 year plan of ruling this country and are not short term power seekers. So those thinking that there are multiple power centres should now that there is only one- Uhuruto.
That you can take to the bank!
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Post by sindbad on Apr 26, 2013 17:50:35 GMT 3
Uhuruto = Interdependence...!
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Post by moja on Apr 26, 2013 18:31:15 GMT 3
Ethnic or regional background? We still have Wahindis, Digo, Suba, Njemps, Taitas, Embus, Ndorobos, Kenyan Whites, Akorinos, Jews, Gays, lesbians, youths, Turkanas and what have you.............. ....and Karchuonyoans as OO and JAKaswanga will tell you. |
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Post by omundu on Apr 29, 2013 14:18:56 GMT 3
For risk of sounding juvenile, i hope after the first 100 day "grace period" Ruto will slowly settle down to his job and leave Uhuru to his devices. Surely, i know it is a breath of fresh air for periodic updates from the state house lawn ala Obama style but do they both have to be there each and every turn ? Just asking. Omundu, Ruto has been a keen student of power politics in Kenya since his Y2K days and I for one seem to appreciate his MO crowding the Prezy purely because the nature of Kenyan politics at the apex has been that of a Machiavellian nature - clever secret planning and not being honest (The Prof of politics would promise 10 people the same thing) and all that edged on by a cabal of unofficial unduly influential advisers aka Kitchen cabinet (KC) to achieve/impose their aims. His "being there each and every turn" as you put it has held the 50-50 agreement intact. But see what the KC has already achieved - after Ruto assured the public that only technocrats would be nominated, he goes to bed and the KC swoop in on PORK and against Ruto's wishes, the following day PORK sacrifices his 50 for Ngilu and Balala on basis of influence from "handlers" as reported by a major daily. When Ruto said it publicly that he did not know who would be Kenya's next president but he knew who WOULD NOT BE, he was making a subtle point that even RAO with his position of PM didn't read well at what was cooking. In a political landscape strewn with the stench of littered MOUs, Ruto is well aware of how things have gone down (or rather not gone down as per the letter). So as a small-time pundit, I put it out there to Jukwaarists that it is this trepidation that has informed Ruto ahead of his looming May 28 date with ICC that he "waive his right to attend court in person". Should he fail in his application to the court, the KC will no doubt try to make haste some mileage in his absence and get some irreversible stuff in place. News just in: Now DP Ruto asks for postponement of his case till November (BBC) Lastly Omundu, don't we have this saying in the village that "He walks with 'Omwami' (chief) is better than an 'omlimi' (a farmer i.e. the hardworking guy in the field)"? It seems to hold higher stakes especially now at this period of transistion. Indeed Audacity... Clever way of looking at it. We also have to realise the mentality of these mademoni. Their modus operandi historically is a nice starting point. They are only entertaining his "demands" because they need him at this stage. The iron is not yet hot. The leopard will never change its spots. One thing i will give to them is their ability to learn from the past and adapt to situations in their malevolence. Ruto and crew will/may be dispensable after the next elections (thats if ICC and other scenarios come and go with them still in power) The Ngunyis may be thinking that by then, they may have kalonzo or both wetangula nad Mudamba in their corner thus... I am sure Ruto knows this, what are his plans post being used and dumped after 2017 ? I laughed the other day when Kamale (seeing that you guys seem very sure about the future, perhaps you should give us the next lottery numbers) posted that Uhuruto have a plan of working together for the next twenty years. hehehehe So will Uhuru, after ten years, run as Rutos vice president ? Lol. Will central province vote Ruto as president after 2017 ? . Ruto knows the answer to that... he has had time to mull over it. |
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ODM will need to tell us if they were lying to us then or now.
We still have Wahindis, Digo, Suba, Njemps, Taitas, Embus, Ndorobos, Kenyan Whites, Akorinos, Jews, Gays, lesbians, youths, Turkanas and what have you..............
