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Post by b6k on Jun 3, 2013 13:58:17 GMT 3
Njakip, Might you be suggesting that Junior's actions are contradicting his words? If so, please elaborate on the actions. He has: * Sent his bulldog to New York, to bark ferociously and insultingly at world leaders. * He has put his Warrior Teaboy on a luxury jet and sent him on yet another round of Scuttle Diplomacy.* He has rallied his friends at the Africans for Uselessness to insult the world and especially victims of the worst crimes known to humanity. * He has purchased the Kenyan media (and others who have access to it) to howl endlessly on his behalf and against the ICC. * Etc. To my mind, all that's a very funny sort of cooperation. The fact is that your man has no intention of showing up for his trial and is busy concoting (or paying to have concocted) lame excuses that will justify his refusal to face justice. Photo opps of the "Warrior Teaboy's" latest scuttle diplomacy as seen on Nipate nipate.com/ruto-manages-to-get-himself-photographed-with-banki-moon-t28447.html
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 4, 2013 17:54:59 GMT 3
B6K, the wheels are falling off pole pole. If I were Njakip, I would be looking for another failed state for a new business with the ICC. The Kenyan case has proved a headache to the court and all its customers.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by b6k on Jun 4, 2013 18:04:00 GMT 3
B6K, the wheels are falling off pole pole. If I were Njakip, I would be looking for another failed state for a new business with the ICC. The Kenyan case has proved a headache to the court and all its customers. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Mwalimumkuu, take a look at video footage of the so-called Scuttle Diplomacy. Not a peep about ICC: Also, a few hours ago I happened to catch a breaking news item on KTN while I was out and about. It was a news report on the US Ambassador who has now said that the Obama "snub" of KE has nothing whatsoever to do with the ICC cases. Either secret talks with John Kerry in Addis are bearing fruit, or the ICC has always been a non-starter
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Post by terminator on Jun 4, 2013 18:57:30 GMT 3
My eyes nearly popped out when I saw this. Warrior Tea Boy was there a few days ago. Did these judges really get the scuttle memo? Decisions
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Post by b6k on Jun 4, 2013 19:47:46 GMT 3
My eyes nearly popped out when I saw this. Warrior Tea Boy was there a few days ago. Did these judges really get the scuttle memo? DecisionsWow, they should've given him the mystical date of 9/11. Fret not. The ICC process will hobble onwards to its logical conclusion....
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Post by terminator on Jun 4, 2013 20:13:06 GMT 3
April Fools day. A less mystical date. The better to stay in sync with the hobbling script. 9/10. Ominous. My eyes nearly popped out when I saw this. Warrior Tea Boy was there a few days ago. Did these judges really get the scuttle memo? DecisionsWow, they should've given him the mystical date of 9/11. Fret not. The ICC process will hobble onwards to its logical conclusion....
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 4, 2013 22:18:55 GMT 3
B6k, I must admit that when one is indicted on crimes considered to be against humanity ---this Always has the emotional and judicial import of being worse than merely murderer or manslaughterer or rapist---- and one is already to be committed to trial, yet one gallivants around the world meeting the officially high and mighty, it mocks the process in a certain way. In the normal world, you do not get bail when you are on a murder charge. In the same world, you are on multiple murder charges, and you are fetted like a rock-star! My instincts then tell me to re-check the meaning of the word FARCE! especially in Old Greece.
You know there is also the farce of fattening a hog, and calling it divine, and treating it like a god representative, only in preparation for the inevitable fate of hogs, knife to the throat!
I am sure I am watching farce, but is it Bensouda or Uhuruto, or the ICC whose throat must be slit at the end?
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Post by b6k on Jun 4, 2013 23:33:07 GMT 3
B6k, I must admit that when one is indicted on crimes considered to be against humanity ---this Always has the emotional and judicial import of being worse than merely murderer or manslaughterer or rapist---- and one is already to be committed to trial, yet one gallivants around the world meeting the officially high and mighty, it mocks the process in a certain way. In the normal world, you do not get bail when you are on a murder charge. In the same world, you are on multiple murder charges, and you are fetted like a rock-star! My instincts then tell me to re-check the meaning of the word FARCE! especially in Old Greece. You know there is also the farce of fattening a hog, and calling it divine, and treating it like a god representative, only in preparation for the inevitable fate of hogs, knife to the throat! I am sure I am watching farce, but is it Bensouda or Uhuruto, or the ICC whose throat must be slit at the end? Indeed Jakaswanga, it is surreal to say the least. We were told sanctions will come to KE as "choices have consequences"...Mr Choices has since resigned & there's no sign of sanctions yet. We were told warrants of arrest were issued to Uhuruto....we have seen the two travelling to the UK, Japan & beyond with no sign of INTERPOL being on their necks & indeed a clarification being issued that no such warrants have been issued. If anything, since the Japan Scuttle Diplomacy trip, we now hear the UN will send aid to KE to assist in maintaining the 600,000 or so Somali refugees within our borders: www.nation.co.ke/News/UN-pledges-to-aid-return-of-refugees/-/1056/1870400/-/kux8utz/-/index.html We were told Obama will snub KE because Uhuru was elected....yet today we learn the KE overflight has nothing to do with the ICC cases & the US understands that African countries can exercise their right to pull out of the Rome Statute, which they themselves are not signatories to.... It begs the question, what other hogwash have we been fed about the ICC? Also, why not allow the court to continue with its process as we wait to see if Uhuruto will stay the course & live up to their commitment to abide by the court? We have over 20 threads on ICC issues right here on Jukwaa, the majority being doom & gloom pieces of how KE is a pariah state in waiting. I have a couple that say the only gloom is going to the reputation of the court itself. They have already learnt their lesson & have adjourned Gbagbo's case for "lack of evidence". It's really just a question of time before they do the inevitable, at least for el presidente..... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22762283
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Post by b6k on Jun 20, 2013 13:22:23 GMT 3
BREAKING NEWS: Uhuru ICC trial has been moved to 12th of November 2013....
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Post by b6k on Jun 20, 2013 13:33:47 GMT 3
BREAKING NEWS: Uhuru ICC trial has been moved to 12th of November 2013.... Uhuru Kenyatta trial moved to NovemberThe International Criminal Court (ICC) has pushed back the trial of Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta to 12 November. The decision was taken to give Mr Kenyatta's defence enough time to prepare for his trial, the ICC said. Mr Kenyatta is accused of orchestrating violence after the 2007 election, an allegation he denies. The African Union has called for the trial to be halted, saying the ICC was "hunting" Africans. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22985456
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 21, 2013 5:31:48 GMT 3
That simply won't do. See, right here is an example of what is wrong with today's world: nobody listens. Kenya sent one of its top diplomats to tell the UN Security Council that the cases must be terminated without much further ado. Is that too complicated for anyone to understand? And the Mighty AU*** made it clear that the cases have to be returned to Kenya. Which part of that message didn't the ICC get?
*** Perhaps, for the time being, we should exclude Nigeria ... until the next Pan-African Love-fest.
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Post by b6k on Jun 21, 2013 19:57:48 GMT 3
That simply won't do. See, right here is an example of what is wrong with today's world: nobody listens. Kenya sent one of its top diplomats to tell the UN Security Council that the cases must be terminated without much further ado. Is that too complicated for anyone to understand? And the Mighty AU*** made it clear that the cases have to be returned to Kenya. Which part of that message didn't the ICC get? *** Perhaps, for the time being, we should exclude Nigeria ... until the next Pan-African Love-fest. Otishotish, the case(s) will move on(wards) to their logical conclusion
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Post by mank on Jun 29, 2013 8:46:05 GMT 3
That simply won't do. See, right here is an example of what is wrong with today's world: nobody listens. Kenya sent one of its top diplomats to tell the UN Security Council that the cases must be terminated without much further ado. Is that too complicated for anyone to understand? And the Mighty AU*** made it clear that the cases have to be returned to Kenya. Which part of that message didn't the ICC get? *** Perhaps, for the time being, we should exclude Nigeria ... until the next Pan-African Love-fest. Otishotish, the case(s) will move on(wards) to their logical conclusion Of course that means public execution. Someone has to be publically executed, of course. If it ends any other way, lots of us (generalization here is just a courtesy) will be disappointed. Of course if you build castles in the air you know your ultimate emotional fate ... you will be disappointed. Am not addressing you, B6K. Its the irrationals in our midst. Me too, I thought someone would be publicly executed for the abduction and murder of Ouko. I grew up when that did not happen. February, I guess, is next.
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Post by b6k on Jun 30, 2013 4:28:22 GMT 3
Mank, the management of peoples expectations can be a very dicey affair. We have seen the disappointment in two successive elections, a reaction in one which ended up with Kenyans at the dock in the ICC. There has been much talk about justice & fairness yet the mob bays for the suspects blood when the jury is still out so to speak.
If you managed to watch a clip of Obama in ZA yesterday when a group of Kenyans asked him why he over-flew KE you would've noted he stated he still has three & a half years to make good on his promise. Expect a verdict on at least one of the cases within that timeline that will have tongues wagging that "it's not fair". As the old adage goes, "fair is a place where they judge pigs". The world just doesn't operate on "fairness"....
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Post by mank on Jun 30, 2013 6:37:21 GMT 3
Mank, the management of peoples expectations can be a very dicey affair. We have seen the disappointment in two successive elections, a reaction in one which ended up with Kenyans at the dock in the ICC. There has been much talk about justice & fairness yet the mob bays for the suspects blood when the jury is still out so to speak. If you managed to watch a clip of Obama in ZA yesterday when a group of Kenyans asked him why he over-flew KE you would've noted he stated he still has three & a half years to make good on his promise. Expect a verdict on at least one of the cases within that timeline that will have tongues wagging that "it's not fair". As the old adage goes, "fair is a place where they judge pigs". The world just doesn't operate on "fairness".... I am not sure we'll have the Kenya situation resolved any time soon, at this rate. It seems to have become such hot a potato. I think they will juggle it untill no one is talking about it any more, then they will drop it into cold water. But those who bay for suspects' blood should be pleased that it is taking so long to resolve because the longer it takes to resolve, the longer they have to pleasure themselves with accusations that seem all sure not to stick. I wish Kenyans showed a little more seriousness about understanding the chaos that followed the 2007 elections! I saw a snippet of the POTUS making the promise you allude to. An interesting thing to note is that the promise is unconditional. It is not at all linked to what happens with the ICC case. Still some believe it is because of the ICC case that he's not visiting the country this time.
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