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Post by Omwenga on Oct 26, 2013 21:05:14 GMT 3
In my column this weekend ICC Is No Solution To 07 Post Election Violence, I continue to make the case why the ICC cases should be terminated and/or brought back home for a local solution. Excepts: Contrary to what many believe, all indications are that justice for post-election violence (PEV) victims cannot be had at the International Criminal Court. Neither would closure of any kind be had there for this dark chapter of our country’s history. This is true regardless of what one believes “justice” to be for PEV. There are those who believe the trial, conviction and jailing of the ICC suspects is what justice calls for while there are those who believe such an outcome would be the very definition of more injustice from the imperialist west. No surveys have been done on this but one would have to assume the country is divided almost evenly as to who is on what side of either of these two sides. … This is why Ruto walks even before the gory details of the crimes committed are considered. As previously argued by this writer, Ruto walks, the president walks as well because it’s unfathomable that a sitting president could be convicted under these circumstances, especially given the genesis of these cases. To be sure, it’s equally unlikely the prosecutor can satisfy the technical requirements to convict under which Ruto walks as regards to Uhuru. The only way that happens is someone like Muthaura singing like a canary but we know that won’t happen so no case there either. All this, then, leaves as the only viable solution terminating or deferring the cases and making it possible to create a mechanism by which the victims can be compensated while there’s a quest for true peace and reconciliation between and among those who were affected and all Kenyans. Read more here
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Post by moja on Oct 29, 2013 18:42:41 GMT 3
Hey Omwenga. Why are Jukwaaists shunning your tasteless topical turn? To your credit, I am learning something about the unrestrained equivocation of the unprincipled. What a fine specimen?
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 30, 2013 13:33:49 GMT 3
Hey Omwenga. Why are Jukwaaists shunning your tasteless topical turn? To your credit, I am learning something about the unrestrained equivocation of the unprincipled. What a fine specimen? I am sure you think you've made some contribution here but you've not; try doing so next time by rebutting what I say if you're capable of doing so than posting useless comments like this. No one is holding their breaths on that happening, however.
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 3, 2013 12:22:40 GMT 3
In my Star column this weekend Justice for Poll Violence Lies In Kenya, I continue to make the case why the ICC cases should be terminated and/or brought back home for a local solution Excepts: According to the most recently published statistics, at least 3,000 Kenyans die annually in road accidents. 1,300 Kenyans were killed on the roads in the first five months of this year. On the other hand, not including statistics for this year, there have been more than 11,272 Kenyans murdered in the country since the 2007 post-election violence. The number of people killed in those horrible days was roughly the same as those killed in road accidents just the first five months of this year alone. Had the government pursued and prosecuted those who committed the PEV crimes when they occurred upon completion of investigations, we would not have been talking about crimes against humanity but about ordinary crimes, including murder. The PEV crimes became “crimes against humanity” only because the government was unable to set up a mechanism by which those responsible for commission of the crimes would have been tried and herein lies the problem with the ICC process. To be sure, the crude manner and barbaric nature of how some of these crimes were committed deserve all the condemnation possible and those who committed them must surely be found and prosecuted. But at the same time, it’s important to step back and evaluate at what cost? It’s by now widely accepted among many legal analysts who have examined these ICC cases that it’s highly unlikely any of the Kenyan suspects will be convicted. … A criminal trial is never about seeking justice for the victim. If it were, there could be only one verdict: guilty. That’s because only one person is on trial in a criminal case, and if that one person is acquitted, then by definition there can be no justice for the victim in that trial. Those are not words of this writer but the words of world renowned American lawyer, jurist and prominent scholar Alan Dershowitz. … If neither Uhuru nor Ruto is going to be convicted in The Hague, it follows neither of them can be convicted anywhere else, including at home for crimes against humanity, which exist and can only be tried at the ICC. It’s a classic catch-22 situation. But instead of remaining frozen where we are, where absolutely nothing is happening in the country but ICC talk and fixation, we ought to free ourselves by reaching a consensus. There’s no further need for the ICC. We should have these cases terminated and find a solution at home that comports with doling out of fair justice and bringing about closure for the victims. At the minimum, a local solution can be fashioned to create a tribunal to try hundreds of other cases the government says it has tons of evidence the ICC prosecutor never bothered to look at. This would include, ostensibly, those of the actual killers and others who perpetuated these PEV crimes. Separately, we can have a truth and justice tribunal similar to the post-apartheid Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa, which can assess and award fair compensation for the victims and their families while creating an environment for Kenyans to put this tragic and dark days of our history behind and move on. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8770/icc-postpones-uhurus-trial?page=2#ixzz2jZYk7qds
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Post by podp on Nov 3, 2013 15:12:28 GMT 3
In my Star column this weekend Justice for Poll Violence Lies In Kenya, At the minimum, a local solution can be fashioned to create a tribunal to try hundreds of other cases the government says it has tons of evidence the ICC prosecutor never bothered to look at. This would include, ostensibly, those of the actual killers and others who perpetuated these PEV crimes. Separately, we can have a truth and justice tribunal similar to the post-apartheid Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa, which can assess and award fair compensation for the victims and their families while creating an environment for Kenyans to put this tragic and dark days of our history behind and move on. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8770/icc-postpones-uhurus-trial?page=2#ixzz2jZYk7qds"A deferral of the ongoing International Criminal Court trials of Kenya's leaders would send a dangerous message that the international community does not support justice for the victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity," said Netsanet Belay, Africa Programme Director at Amnesty International. "UN Security Council members must not back down on the principle that victims of the world's most serious crimes have a right to obtain justice. Kenya's authorities have repeatedly proven they are unable or unwilling to deliver justice in these cases - so the ICC trials must be allowed to proceed without further hindrance." www.amnesty.org/en/news/un-victims-right-justice-must-take-priority-talks-over-icc-trials-kenya-2013-10-30UN: Victims’ right to justice must take priority at talks over ICC trials on Kenya allafrica.com/stories/201310310890.htmlAfrica: Victims' Right to Justice Must Take Priority At Talks Over ICC Trials On Kenya
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 10, 2013 0:23:41 GMT 3
In Options Beyond Denial of ICC Deferral, I postulate on what other options Kenya has if she were to spare having her president paraded and tried at the Hague and becoming the first ever sitting president and likely the last ever tried for charges it’s clear they’ll never be convicted. Excerpt: As the Star reported recently, the president is pinning his hopes on the upcoming ICC Assembly of State Parties to pass a number of favourable amendments to the Rome Statute, one of which would be to make it easier for trials to be held away from the Hague. There are also reports that Botswana has proposed an undisclosed amendment in favour of Uhuru which may have to do with the nature and number of times a state party may challenge the admissibility of a case. And should that be the case, we can expect to see another challenge of the admissibility of the case against the president. Another card the president can play is to convince the US to rally behind his quest to have the case against him terminated by the ICC. The president already has in place a vehicle by which this can be accomplished and that is his pending application for a permanent stay. Were the president to act fast and have in place a mechanism to address the poll violence, the US will be all too pleased to lean on the ICC to grant the president’s request, which is a far much better route to go for the US. Contrary to what some mistakenly argue, such an outcome will not be sanctioning impunity but finding a practical solution where all parties get something but more importantly avoid consequences which shall not be good for anyone. This is particularly desirable because everything considered, neither the US nor Kenya wants to see the president flip the ICC the middle finger
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 10, 2013 5:09:29 GMT 3
In Options Beyond Denial of ICC Deferral, I postulate on what other options Kenya has if she were to spare having her president paraded and tried at the Hague and becoming the first ever sitting president and likely the last ever tried for charges it’s clear they’ll never be convicted. Excerpt: As the Star reported recently, the president is pinning his hopes on the upcoming ICC Assembly of State Parties to pass a number of favourable amendments to the Rome Statute, one of which would be to make it easier for trials to be held away from the Hague. In this month's session, the Assembly of States Parties (ASP) will consider two proposed amendments. One is to Rule 100 of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence (i.e. not changes not to the Rome Statute), and the other is to Rule 68 of the same. The former covers the place of trials. The change to Rule 100 would make it easier to hold trials away from the Hague, in that it would basically empower the Trial Chamber to make the final decision. But that would not do Kenyatta much good: the chamber still has to consult the other parties; and after such a consultation in the Kenyan case, the proposed "away" parts were pretty much limited to the start and end of the trials. Assuming that the claim about Botswana is true, and we don't know that it is, there are several problems with the above statements. First, the "reports", "undisclosed", etc. suggest an inclination to rumours and gossip. As a matter of fact there is never anything secretive about proposed amendments, nor would it make sense to have any. Second, there is something missing between "Botswana has proposed" and "we can expect". The something is the opinion of the other states that are signatories to the statute and who may well tell Botswana to piss off. But see the following ... Third, and especially significant, the suggestion here that a proposal that is first made at this year's session could in way help Uhuru and Ruto reflects a very serious misunderstanding of the process involved. It is not simply the case that one state proposes an amendment and the ASP then proceeds to vote on it. The expected steps are as follows. (i) The proposed amendment first goes to the Working Group on Amendments. (WGA) (ii) The WGA will then consider it in detail, making appropriate consultations, and make recommendations to the Assembly of States Parties. (iii) The Assembly will have a detailed discussion and then vote or whatever. The problem, for those who wish to indulge in foolish hope, lies in (ii). If I recall correctly, the amendments coming up for this month's session of the ASP have been in the pipeline for quite some time. Here is the WGA's report for this month's session: www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/asp_docs/ASP12/ICC-ASP-12-44-ENG.pdfThird, African signatories (not just Botswana!) have been known to pull funny stunts when things get hot and to make then dubious proposals. Kenya and Sudan have both had a go at the Article-16 deferral business. The UN Security Council never bothered with formal meetings on those. Instead they held beer+nyama-choma sessions, at which people were pretty much told to fwack off. There the matters ended. Or so we thought. The African signatories then had an excellent idea: why not amend Article 16 so that if the UNSC tells them to fwack off they can take the matter to the UN General Assembly? Off went the proposal. The Working Group is still working on it .... more than two years later. In 2011, they mentioned it but indicated that they had not got around to considering it: www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/asp_docs/ASP10/ICC-ASP-10-32-ENG.pdfIn 2012, they did not mention it. It is again missing in 2013. (The proposal actually reminds me of the odd ones that ask the P5 to give up their veto powers or extend the same to a few others!) Fourth, Kenya has always had the opportunity to make another admissibility challenge. It hasn't done so for reasons that are very clear: in the first challenge, GoK lied and lied and then lied some more; so everyone knows that another challenge does not have the slightest chance---GoK has done zero of the things it said it would do. Yes. That's a good card for anyone who's just arrived from Mars and, having been told about our recreational substances, proceeded to do 1 kilogram of crack, smoke 2 kilograms of marijuana, wash it down with 10 litres of chang'aa, and then round it off with a pharmacy of all those funny pills that today's youth are into. Uhuru has asked for a permanent stay, Bensouda has responded, and the chamber will decide. Having gone through the submissions by the Uhuru Defence and Bensouda, and taking into account what the court has previously had to say on the matter of a "permanent stay", the thing is dead on arrival. No need to wait for the REJECTED!; one might as well fly back to Mars right now. Uhuru is expected to do a runner. He should just state that and spare his nation so much anxiety and tension.The current situation cannot be very healthy for Kenyans. Even supporters or Uhuru and Ruto seem to be trapped in some sort of "bipolar" reality: On one day, they will state that that their man is a big important man, a big boss of a sovereign & independent state (with new & hot oil), ... so fwack the declining imperialist/colonial/neo-colonial/hyper-imperial/extra-galactic ... powers. And fwack their puppet court too! Right on. Fight The Power. But the very next day, it's all about hoping that the declining powers in New York will help their big man escape! Maybe they could order the puppet court to do this or that ... or maybe the puppet court itself could ... And milking "guilt" over colonialism has paid off in the past so why not now. And, while at it, why not the race-card****: "Yes it is true that the continent is overrun with people doing very nasty things to their fellow human beings. And, yes, it is true that the Kenyan PEV involved Kenyans doing very nasty things to Kenyans. Nor do we deny that most Africans at the ICC were sent there by their fellow Africans. But still! It must be African/racist hunting. Yes, of course."
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 13:09:53 GMT 3
I have recently learnt that the "imperialist west" disbarred Omwenga so he has good reason to conveniently rant about the ICC. My limited wisdom tells me that these Star articles wont get him his licence back. A good old revision of the t&c of his licence might make him a happier man. Let the cases at ICC proceed. The mindset of those who impugn is quite unique that's why they need to present themselves at a special court in Voorburg and then cool their heels in Scheveningen (I call it the prison by the sea). It shouldn't be easy for masters of impunity.
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 10, 2013 15:12:49 GMT 3
I have recently learnt that the "imperialist west" disbarred Omwenga so he has good reason to conveniently rant about the ICC. My limited wisdom tells me that these Star articles wont get him his licence back. A good old revision of the t&c of his licence might make him a happier man. Let the cases at ICC proceed. The mindset of those who impugn is quite unique that's why they need to present themselves at a special court in Voorburg and then cool their heels in Scheveningen (I call it the prison by the sea). It shouldn't be easy for masters of impunity. You pathetic losers truly amaze me with your undying and relentless regurgitation of an irrelevancy in the idiotic belief such repetition is substitute to rebutting my arguments which you're, in fact, incapable of rebutting. Now, take a break from your dead-end job likely shuffling hamburgers or picking fruits and vegetables at some farm, the vocation of choice preferred by most pathetic losers who are unable to rebut what I say and resort to ad hominem attacks and go to the nearest mountain top and shout that "the imperialist west disbarred Omwenga" until you're sore and can't shout anymore. Then go back to your dead end job to recover from the soreness and after you do, return to the same mountain top and repeat the same thing over and over until you die. You'll discover in your death that none of that changed who I am, what I do and how I go about doing it. It certainly won't make you a better debater among your pathetic losers as you reunite in death and attempt to figure whether it was worth it engaging in such stupidity rather than accepting the fact ad hominem attacks never advance any debate and neither do they make you any brilliant; you either have it upstairs to sustain an intellectual debate or even engage at a level sound reasoning is required or you don't. That being said, if you think one gets their license to practice law reinstated by writing columns as you clearly seem to think that's an option, then you're 10 times the moron I thought you are. I had to laugh when I saw you say you "recently learnt [sic; Exhibit A for being a moron] that the imperialist west disbarred Omwenga." What a lie. We all know the reason people like you are suddenly attacking me is because of my firm stance on ICC but I commend most of the rest who are mature and enlightened enough to understand dissent is part of a healthy organization or discourse. Those are the people I respect the likes of you can have a blast and willow in ad hominem attacks in lieu of debating I couldn't care less other than in responding in kind to protect my honor and integrity.
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 16:34:25 GMT 3
Am glad that Omwenga recognizes that his musings and writings are irrelevant to what he really needs to do to rectify his career fortunes. He might even admit to being paid to maintain his intellectual dishonesty.
As to your views on what I do, its neither of those. But I am grateful that the professional society I belong to can vouch for my unchequred record. Its gives me credibility in my field of work.
But picture this: a man who is unfit to practice is writing in defence of murderers and rapists.Its quite a befitting narrative.
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 10, 2013 19:29:01 GMT 3
Am glad that Omwenga recognizes that his musings and writings are irrelevant to what he really needs to do to rectify his career fortunes. There's nothing I need to do to rectify my “career fortunes;” I am quite happy and content with my professional and business life not that haters like you care that I am; it actually makes you even more hateful that I am that content and happy and thus your obsession with whining about a license I don't need but will soon have reinstated so you haters can find one more reason to hate, not that you don't have enough by the simple fact none of you can match me intellectually or otherwise. Yes; and I am sure that will have the likes of you thrilled to the point of peeing in your pants. There's no such a thing as "unchequred record" so you have none of it. Typical things people with low IQs picture in their minds in convincing themselves of their stupidity and illogical reasoning. If you had any higher IQ, you’d notice the fallacy in your idiotic assertion but again neither logic nor reason matters among morons like you; blabbing idiotic nonsense such as this is good enough. How useless and pathetic that is. You’re ignored henceforth unless necessary to protect my honor and integrity.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 10, 2013 20:26:40 GMT 3
Now, take a break from your dead-end job likely shuffling hamburgers or picking fruits and vegetables at some farm, the vocation of choice preferred by most pathetic losers who are unable to rebut what I say and resort to ad hominem attacks and go to the nearest mountain top and shout that "the imperialist west disbarred Omwenga" until you're sore and can't shout anymore. Then go back to your dead end job to recover from the soreness and after you do, return to the same mountain top and repeat the same thing over and over until you die. Omwenga: Someone has to make the burgers and pick the fruit that you eat, and many do those honourably and honestly. I encourage you to acquire some wisdom and avoid looking down on people on the basis of what they do for a living.
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 14, 2013 20:21:45 GMT 3
In Options Beyond Denial of ICC Deferral, I postulate on what other options Kenya has if she were to spare having her president paraded and tried at the Hague and becoming the first ever sitting president and likely the last ever tried for charges it’s clear they’ll never be convicted. Excerpt: As the Star reported recently, the president is pinning his hopes on the upcoming ICC Assembly of State Parties to pass a number of favourable amendments to the Rome Statute, one of which would be to make it easier for trials to be held away from the Hague. There are also reports that Botswana has proposed an undisclosed amendment in favour of Uhuru which may have to do with the nature and number of times a state party may challenge the admissibility of a case. And should that be the case, we can expect to see another challenge of the admissibility of the case against the president. It's now official according to the Star, the Assembly of State Parties ("ASP") Secretariat has conceded to African Union demands to slot a special session at an upcoming meeting to discuss Kenyan trials at the ICC. The ASP bureau has agreed to slot the “special segment” on AU at the upcoming ASP meeting at the Hague. The meeting will take place between November 20 and 28. The bureau has agreed to let “a high-level representative of the AU” to address the ASP as a “special invitee”. The decisions by the bureau are based on meetings held with AU Contact Group of Ministers on October 30, a bureau meeting held on November 1 and another one held last Tuesday, all in New York. “The additional agenda item will be entitled “Special Segment as requested by the African Union: Indictment of sitting Heads of State and Government and its consequences on peace and stability and reconciliation,” a bureau decision stated. Their findings will have a direct bearing on what happens at the ICC and more importantly, whether Uhuru attends the trial as currently required. Regardless of whether the amendments sought by Kenya are adopted, the ASP can signal the ICC on how the ICC should rule on the pending application by Uhuru to terminate the case against him via grant of his application for a permanent stay. Although the ASP doesn't have authority to directly so influence the court, their pronouncements and actions can and will do the same thing in so many ways. Uhuru being given a right to appear via video or having the trial moved from the Hague to, say, Ethiopia is virtually a given either through grant of Kenya's now pending amendment or by the ICC itself granting Uhuru's pending application for such relief.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 14, 2013 21:12:32 GMT 3
the ASP can signal the ICC on how the ICC should rule on the pending application by Uhuru to terminate the case against him via grant of his application for a permanent stay. You really ought to restrict your stuff to the Kingdom of Troglodytes (aka The Star). The idea of "giving in to demands" is silly and is the sort of thing that leads people to overestimate the influence of the AU. The AU routinely participates in sessions of the ASP, and for this year the President already (in September) sent them a letter urging them to bring their concerns to the session. See in particular the line (last paragraph) that starts with "Representatives of the African Union .... " here: www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/asp_docs/PRs/Letter/2013-09-20-PASP-Letter-AU-AUC-ENG.PDFBack to what we may loosely call the substance of your comment: Can you give a single example where the ASP has influenced a judicial decision made by the court? The only purpose of allowing a discussion on the Kenyan cases is to give GoK/AU a chance to vent and feel that they have been listened to. It's the sort of thing all parents do when faced with unreasonable demands from their children: listen but act according to what is good for the kids. Nothing that comes out of the ASP session will have any effect on judicial matters. Save this for later: The application by Uhuru for a permanent stay will not be granted. The Appeals Chamber has already made a definitive on attendance. The notion that they would reconsider it, merely because of some discussions in a session of the OTP is absurd. They would do so only after an amendment of the relevant article of the Rome Statute, something that will most definitely not happen. One more time: If you mean amendments to the Rome Statute or any of the accompanying Rules, then the above is nonsensical ignorance. As I have already explained, any proposals for amendments go through the Working Group on Amendments and take quite a bit of time. In addition, any amendments to the Rome Statute itself would not come into affect until after at least one year. Trial-by video is almost completely out of the question. No need for further comment. It is likely that any amendment that is first proposed now will not be acted on for some time; so we can forget any "Kenya's now pending amendment", whatever that is. An amendment to Rule 100 (not the Statute), which rule that deals with place of trial, has been under consideration for some time and will most likely be approved this month. But it will not be of much help Uhuru & Ruto, given that the original proposal was for only tiny parts of the trial to be held away. Were the judges, after the approval of the relevant amendment, to revisit their decision and decide to extend the periods in question, the OTP would appeal, and it would win. There, Uhuru has nicely shot himself in the foot with his poisonous rants against the court, and the OTP's new revelations of witness-interference by Uhuru's lot also won't help.
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Post by enigma on Nov 15, 2013 1:46:29 GMT 3
Omwenga displays yet more ignorance of how things work in these Assembly of State Party congregations.
I have attended a number of these as an observer and at times backup to the Kenyan delegations who were more interested in sightseeing and shopping. I expect very dismal showing from Kenya considering the stakes and the neophytes who now run MFA. I hope they have Muthaura or Wako on a retainer. The key discussions are usually largely between erstwhile foes such as Iran and USA arguing about where "the" should be "they" and a * should be a -. Meanwhile a Taylor or Milosevic could be playing darts alone in a gated compound not too far away.
Please keep up the pesa mbili punditry, don't present an application to LSK before you clear up the US stuff and eat more carefully this time. Your handlers are keeping tabs so that they can conveniently extinguish you once you outlive your usefulness.
Remember Syria a few weeks ago? The resolution was known even before a council session was agreed. The inspectors were on the ground in a non-member state even before the UN got the mandate. There are no surprises in international diplomacy.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 15, 2013 18:52:32 GMT 3
Away from discussing Omwenga and keeping in line with the topic at hand, the UNSC has by way of a vote of 7 for deferral, 0 against and a surprising 8 abstentions!!!
There should have been some courage to vote No or veto the resolution, but it appears behaving like a rat biting and then blowing on the bite! A bit cowardly so we await to see what the AU has to say now!
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Post by b6k on Nov 16, 2013 10:55:20 GMT 3
Away from discussing Omwenga and keeping in line with the topic at hand, the UNSC has by way of a vote of 7 for deferral, 0 against and a surprising 8 abstentions!!! There should have been some courage to vote No or veto the resolution, but it appears behaving like a rat biting and then blowing on the bite! A bit cowardly so we await to see what the AU has to say now! ...this is how it played out... The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) has rejected a request by the African Union (AU) to suspend the ICC trial of President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto for a year. The resolution got only seven votes, two below the number needed to pass in the 15-member body. Eight council nations, all ICC members or supporters including Britain, France and the United States, abstained to ensure the failure of the resolution. UK Ambassador Lyall Grant says that the countries ‘listened’ to the AU request but the International Criminal Court (ICC) has worked to ‘mitigate’ concerns. Grant says the deferral resolution was 'unnecessarily put to a vote' in way that highlights disagreement. Britain says it will support amendments to the Rome Statutes to allow video conferencing of trials. United States envoy Samantha Power says Kenya’s concerns are best addressed within the ICC, argues that the victims of the post election violence are entitled to justice. ‘ Because of our respect for Kenya and AU we have decided to abstain,’ said Power. Kenya will now push amendment to check prosecution. This is the first time in decades that a Security Council resolution has failed without a veto by one of the permanent members.citizennews.co.ke/news/2012/local/item/15119-un-security-council-rejects-icc-deferral-bid
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 16:25:27 GMT 3
The USA explains why it opted to abstain rather than vote "No": USUN PRESS RELEASE #233 November 15, 2013 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Explanation of Vote by Ambassador Samantha Power, U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations, on Kenya’s International Criminal Court Article 16 Deferral Request, November 15, 2013
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 16:39:55 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 16:51:10 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 16:57:47 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 17:05:22 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 17:25:49 GMT 3
MEANWHILE, Deputy President William Ruto touches down in Sotik:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 16, 2013 17:48:30 GMT 3
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Post by Omwenga on Nov 16, 2013 19:04:45 GMT 3
Ruto must have one or two books by Machiavelli in his bookshelf a fact not lost among those following every move he makes for their own interests.
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