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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 11, 2013 17:17:37 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Nov 11, 2013 17:32:02 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Nov 13, 2013 13:04:23 GMT 3
I think you guys are a very hopeful lot!!!
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Post by podp on Nov 18, 2013 1:11:10 GMT 3
I think you guys are a very hopeful lot!!! The nation’s potential to develop socially, politically and economically has been curtailed by a vicious ring of lies that limits the participation of the country’s best and forthright sons and daughters in all its spheres. Many Kenyans have been killed in unresolved murders, others maimed, others dispossessed of their inheritance and personally accumulated assets, while many others, 46 per cent of the population, live in excruciating poverty thanks to the ascendancy of corruption; tribalism; and nepotism. Yet with power, in the new dispensation being acquired through lies, the many shades of lies are not about to go away. This is why Keter’s outburst is ominous. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-143858/pertinent-questions-abound-over-keters-claimThe fixing season is here with us.... William Ruto is doing a Johnnie Cochran on the ICC. At the end of his case, his lawyers will conclude their submission to the judges with one sentence: if he was fixed, you must acquit. That will be the deciding statement that will either get Ruto acquited or sentenced. Essentially therefore, the only person that can effect a Ruto acquittal or sentence is Uhuru Kenyatta. Ruto will need Uhuru Kenyatta to fire all those who were in and around the National Security Council during and immediately after the Post Election Violence period. If they are fired, it will be proof that he was fixed. If Uhuru Kenyatta refuses to fire them, it will be proof that Uhuru Kenyatta wants Ruto fixed or had knowlege of or was part of the fixing. Ruto's lawyers have officially accused the PNU and by extension TNA at the ICC. He has shifted positions from being an accused to a victim [of post election violence fixing]. This is the narrative that will follow post the Assembly of State Party's meeting. Uhuru Kenyatta must also bring the fix argument to the ICC if he wants to avoid time in a Sierra Leonian jail. The choices are very limited here. He can only blame Raila Odinga or Mwai Kibaki for fixing him. Since most of the witnesses against him are Mungiki, he can try the line Maina Njenga was ODM in 2007 and Raila's friend. He can even go further and say Raila bought Maina Njenga a book called 48 laws of power so that Maina can figure out how to wrestle the Kikuyu power from the Kenyattas. If his lawyer does not find this Raila fix plausible, he can add in Mwai Kibaki. Jaramogi brought this man from Kampala to dilute Kenyatta's influence at independence. Jaramogi's son - Raila - toshad him in 2002 and together they stole UK's votes in 2002. Then there is the story of " Power does not cross" river Chania thing. He can say Kibaki, in his attempt to make sure Power does not cross back to Kiambu, decided to fix him. He can again bring in the Maina Njenga, Raila, Jaramogi and Kibaki link. Ruto knows (unlike ODM and CORD) that the National Security Council determines who becomes president in Kenya. He says it all the times. In political rallies, churches and even during prayers. Only CORD has not been listening and is ignorant of this fact. That is why CORD blames IEBC for its woes and takes a brilliant girl to defend it before a stud wearing guy. Once UK fires Kimemia, Iringo, Gichangi, Gitau and co, Ruto knows the composition of the new National Security Council will be decisive for the next phase - 2017...and therein lies the elephant in Den Haag. In the meantime, the Video Link argument will pass next week...BUT?...it means the cases will be on FAST TRACK and could be concluded as early as 2014...and with that UK (the Kingdom) shall have fixed UK (the president) and WSR (the deputy president and grand master hustler). Watch the space... www.facebook.com/asegopacho |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 18, 2013 8:33:32 GMT 3
The fallacy of it all is that Ruto has had the information on what his lawyers were going to ask in court for a long time. The revelation did not come out in court. Now when the fixer accusations were made in court around three weeks ago, if it was something to concern Ruto, he would have walked straight to Uhuru's office and asked him to sack Nancy and Mutea. He did not. Several weeks later, we have Keter make noise on the fixers after he returns to Kenya from the Hague and it becomes a case of URP/TNA unravelling!!!
I can only imagine this is the view of those ODM/CORD characters still stuck in the Nusu Mkate their principal had with Kibaki. They forget that was a forced marriage whilst this one of Uhuru and Ruto is one not based on political convenience. But it can be seen clearly that this is a lot more being hopeful than anything else...and unravelling URP/TNA will have someone benefit. For clarity sake, the ODM leader ended his hopes of ever being president of Kenya in 2013 and people are invited to start writing his political orbituary...he already wrote his autobiography!
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Post by b6k on Nov 18, 2013 9:14:15 GMT 3
The fallacy of it all is that Ruto has had the information on what his lawyers were going to ask in court for a long time. The revelation did not come out in court. Now when the fixer accusations were made in court around three weeks ago, if it was something to concern Ruto, he would have walked straight to Uhuru's office and asked him to sack Nancy and Mutea. He did not. Several weeks later, we have Keter make noise on the fixers after he returns to Kenya from the Hague and it becomes a case of URP/TNA unravelling!!! I can only imagine this is the view of those ODM/CORD characters still stuck in the Nusu Mkate their principal had with Kibaki. They forget that was a forced marriage whilst this one of Uhuru and Ruto is one not based on political convenience. But it can be seen clearly that this is a lot more being hopeful than anything else...and unravelling URP/TNA will have someone benefit. For clarity sake, the ODM leader ended his hopes of ever being president of Kenya in 2013 and people are invited to start writing his political orbituary...he already wrote his autobiography! , as much as the GCG was a shotgun wedding, the union between Uhuru & Ruto was very much a marriage of (political) convenience/survival. The ICC charges against them were the icing on the cake for the dynamic duo just as much as PEV stalemate/cease fire was the icing on the cake for the former pair. As for Rayila's orbituary, I doubt he will hang up his boots anytime soon... |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 18, 2013 12:48:37 GMT 3
The fallacy of it all is that Ruto has had the information on what his lawyers were going to ask in court for a long time. The revelation did not come out in court. Now when the fixer accusations were made in court around three weeks ago, if it was something to concern Ruto, he would have walked straight to Uhuru's office and asked him to sack Nancy and Mutea. He did not. Several weeks later, we have Keter make noise on the fixers after he returns to Kenya from the Hague and it becomes a case of URP/TNA unravelling!!! I can only imagine this is the view of those ODM/CORD characters still stuck in the Nusu Mkate their principal had with Kibaki. They forget that was a forced marriage whilst this one of Uhuru and Ruto is one not based on political convenience. But it can be seen clearly that this is a lot more being hopeful than anything else...and unravelling URP/TNA will have someone benefit. For clarity sake, the ODM leader ended his hopes of ever being president of Kenya in 2013 and people are invited to start writing his political orbituary...he already wrote his autobiography! , as much as the GCG was a shotgun wedding, the union between Uhuru & Ruto was very much a marriage of (political) convenience/survival. The ICC charges against them were the icing on the cake for the dynamic duo just as much as PEV stalemate/cease fire was the icing on the cake for the former pair. As for Rayila's orbituary, I doubt he will hang up his boots anytime soon... B6k You might want to see the ICC as the bond between the two, but for one that has known them longer, first and foremost they two are friends, very good friends. Secondly they have a publicly registered MOU with the registrar of political parties that is clear on how the coalition runs. As for Rayila, he may have to be dragged to his political grave, but his orbituary is ready for reading....it was written 8 months ago! |
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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2013 21:35:45 GMT 3
Now that Kamalet has enjoyed his break from reality with a bit of Raila-bashing, lets return to the thinning options dubbed "deferral con" by Otish squared.
Mr Patience, it must be tough to find that the 'tyranny of numbers' is not an exportable commodity.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 18, 2013 22:03:48 GMT 3
.... if it was something to concern Ruto, he would have walked straight to Uhuru's office and asked him to sack Nancy and Mutea. He did not. Several weeks later, we have Keter make noise on the fixers after he returns to Kenya from the Hague and it becomes a case of URP/TNA unravelling!!! I can only imagine this is the view of those ODM/CORD characters still stuck in the Nusu Mkate their principal had with Kibaki. They forget that was a forced marriage whilst this one of Uhuru and Ruto is one not based on political convenienceI will give you the short end of it before post the long end of it. 1. It was exactly because Ruto failed to walk into Uhuru's office to demand the sacking of his fixers, that his fellow URP-ers barred him from sacking Maryanne Keitany, the chief of staff in his besieged office. ---They thought that would be making her a scapegoat of Ruto's own failure to rectify his relative relegation after the elevation of Joseph Kinyua! With his lawyer, the aggressive and ebullient Khan, being the one talking of the fixing and fingering deep operators in Uhuru's office, Ruto was faced with the option of denying his lawyer ---deemed a very effective operator who knows what he is talking about, mostly  , or ordering senator Keter to shut up. These two options are zero, so we have seen a much subdued Ruto seeking to make little of this ''fairy'' tale! The assertion that there is no political convenience underwriting the co-operation between Uhuru and Ruto seems baloney to me! Hang together or hang separately? |
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 18, 2013 22:45:06 GMT 3
And, generally speaking, here is the long end of it! Several things are important to take into consideration, when having a roll, having a go at the celebrated dynamic relationship between the two inhabitants of the presidential stool, namely Uhuru and Ruto. I think, like brother Kamalet, that the warmth and personal friendship between the two men is genuine. But I do not think this friendship is the reason they are in this arrangement of power. They are plenty other factors operating, beyond their wills. And that is exactly the problem to be solved. Mesays, for the friendship between two antagonists in the competitive environment of power to be genuine, it must mean one is sure of the other. That is, there is neither guile nor wile the other could spring and surprise him with. What this [psychological trade off] means in this particular Kenyan case, is that Uhuru is, comparative to the driven Ruto, a relative simpleton who knows he is [man for man] no match for Ruto, and this is why Ruto can easily accept to play second fiddle to him. Ruto does not fear Uhuru's ability to permanently outmaneuver him. In his heart, Ruto knows he is far the better man of them in politics, but recognises the paramountcy of the financial-power and potential voter-block the son of Jomo brings to the table. These practical considerations, condemn him to play the lesser role. (And pledge faith even as the cookie crumbles.) [Uhuru's flexibility, which, in the negative narrative, is a euphemism for having not his own mind, is engraved in such things like: 1. He was parachuted from anonymity to be Moi's project. It was not his heart's decision to move into politics. 2. Once he rose to leader of the opposition during Kibaki 1, senour gikuyu ideologues soon bent his purpose to abandon the calling of the general country, and cross over to support his fellow Gikuyu, under onslaught from the ''bad wind from the West!''. 3. Again these senior gikuyu ideologues, disgusted by Kibaki's impotence as fellow Kyuks were being uprooted from the Rift, prevailed upon the son of Jomo to ''save the House''. He deferred, and found himself Hague bound when the dust cleared. 4. Even though a leading contender, conservative Gikuyu capital peering ahead at a possible renegade presidency under him, managed to, in a moment later to be referred to as ''satan pulled a shadow over my eyes`, dissuade the son of Jomo from running, and instead support Mudavadi. Thus Uhuru Kenyatta cuts the picture of a not fully forged mind. Unstable and prone to bending ..... Constantly susceptible to ''moulders'' and plotters of deeper, granite grit. Yes, the evolving Muigai has been clay in the hands of men like Arap Moi, John Michuki, and the others of premium resolves. It means Uhuru Kenyatta is basically a jolly good fellow --- until power shall have deformed his persona as definitely will happen: ( for nothing corrodes the human mind like power; and that is why it usually takes mayhem like war and civil strife to drive the point home, that it is time to go). In power, there will be no shortage of patrons to adopt the jolly good fellow, either to manipulate him to their purposes, or, honestly believing he needs protection from top predators like Ruto and Raila, fashion vile and practice ill on perceived threats. For in history, many a monarch knows not of the blood --of innocents mostly-- spilled by thier adherents in the fortification of their Majesty's rule. The lesser HE knows of these murk, the better he can deny it, honestly. Now, were Ruto to fear the Machiavellian caliber of Uhuru Kenyatta, their personal relationship would much more be in the mould of Raila and Kalonzo, especially in their younger days. Suspicion galore. Mutual distrust does not breed interpersonal warmth. It breeds the paranoia of insecurity, breeds the wariness of the hunted, forever fretting the unseen ambush. Even in old age, Raila and Kalonzo still look an odd pair. A misfit. Indeed in the comparison with Uhuruto, they look dead bea, like old hos covered in stale make-up, competing in a young meat market. This is because Railonzo does not radiate the instinctive warmth of heart, one toward the other, which Uhuruto manages to exude. It aint-play acting fellas, that Uhuruto personal dynamism. Raila and Kalonzo of course need not be hearts friends to form a successful political duo, neither do they need must project a falsehood of harmony, but if they feel they need to project such a contrived reality to have meaning and relevance still, then I suspect they will die a sorry lot, for the public will not buy it! They need to sell purpose, and explain why they did not when one was VP and the other PM!But back to our dynamic duo. Call them twins with a genuine warmth between them, having suckled baba Moi''s teats at the KANU firm, and bonded well. Now, many in Uhuru's court recognise this superiority of brother Ruto over his sibling Uhuru, and that is a mine-field, for they consider it a clear and ever present danger. They will thus move and plot to protect the SoJ as they see fit, in the same way in which those in the kibaki court, misjudging Kibaki to be no match for Raila, moved to protect him from Raila, and thereby ruined the interpersonal relationship of the two men, and eventually ruined the Kibaki tenure.The promising tenure [of Narc] collapsed in the turbulence of the shredded MOU, other perceived betrayals, and finally entered the inferno of PEV. When the dust settled, what should have become a golden post Moi period, became a monstrosity called the GCG. An evil worse than your mad step mother in a fit! It is this palpable insecurity at the heart of Uhuru's court, and the barely disguised loathing of Ruto by a wide sector of gikuyu nationalism post 2008 PEV, which generates the nightmare scenario. While the two men enjoy their friendship and adrenalin rush at the top, conjoined in a death pact, the chess moves within their courts chart a different course. While Ruto had no problem having his office as annex to the president's, the courtiers have interpreted this, practically, to mean the DP's office is a total subservience. Every decision, appointment or financial post, must first be approved by the presidential staff! In reality then, the staff of Ruto, are all subordinates to the presidential staff. No such thing as sharing of power there, only the taking of orders. And so it came to pass that Ruto came back from Hague and went into a rage, firing Maria Anna Keitany on the spot, until he was rudely reminded that perhaps it is Iringo and Nancy Gitau he should be firing if he is really a co-principal. The Samoei was checkmated by wider Kalenjin nationalism, and had to withdraw the executioner's knife from the throat of his chief of staff Maryanne Keitany ---whom he accused of being the new PM's errand girl! The joint office, has become a bad idea. It works for Ruto personally who is in an equal relationship with Uhuru Kenyatta, but it does not work for his staff who are not in an equal relationship with the Gitau, Iringo, and the PM Joseph Kinyua.It is a harsh lesson in the inner workings of power. In his absence as he cooperates with the ICC, Ruto has returned to discover there has been a shift. Small, but irritating enough for him to loose his temper at the poor girl Anne Keitany. Joseph Kinyua has all but financially asphyxiated the DPs office. Revoking Rutos personal appointments and letting many go without pay for months. It is also called humiliation. Ruto himself says it is much ado about nothing really. Take your pick!  and treat your dick! www.kenya-today.com/news/deputy-president-william-ruto-office-controlledStudying Rome's joint prefectures, Triumvirates, shared dictatorships and pro-consuls, or studying the dynamics of joint Shogunates in Japan, it is of course in the cards, that one party will be engulfed, and if it resists, a civil war will emerge. A bureaucratic civil war, to give it a minimalistic approach. Much ado about nothing really! --- Gini Ouru osekawo duto! Ruto odong' nono haa! |
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Post by b6k on Nov 18, 2013 22:48:58 GMT 3
Kamale, as much as the GCG was a shotgun wedding, the union between Uhuru & Ruto was very much a marriage of (political) convenience/survival. The ICC charges against them were the icing on the cake for the dynamic duo just as much as PEV stalemate/cease fire was the icing on the cake for the former pair. As for Rayila's orbituary, I doubt he will hang up his boots anytime soon... B6k You might want to see the ICC as the bond between the two, but for one that has known them longer, first and foremost they two are friends, very good friends. Secondly they have a publicly registered MOU with the registrar of political parties that is clear on how the coalition runs. As for Rayila, he may have to be dragged to his political grave, but his orbituary is ready for reading....it was written 8 months ago! , I see the ICC as a bond between the two just as I see the PEV stalemate/cease-fire as a bond between Kibaki & Raila brought about by circumstances beyond their control whether they liked it or not. Only the ICC could thaw the icy relations that had come between erstwhile (KANU) apparatchiks embodied in Uhuru & Ruto who were briefly separated by the tsunami that was ODM original, to (re-)weld them together as Uhuruto. Isn't it ironic when you really ponder that situation? |
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Post by b6k on Nov 18, 2013 22:51:27 GMT 3
.... if it was something to concern Ruto, he would have walked straight to Uhuru's office and asked him to sack Nancy and Mutea. He did not. Several weeks later, we have Keter make noise on the fixers after he returns to Kenya from the Hague and it becomes a case of URP/TNA unravelling!!! I can only imagine this is the view of those ODM/CORD characters still stuck in the Nusu Mkate their principal had with Kibaki. They forget that was a forced marriage whilst this one of Uhuru and Ruto is one not based on political convenienceI will give you the short end of it before post the long end of it. 1. It was exactly because Ruto failed to walk into Uhuru's office to demand the sacking of his fixers, that his fellow URP-ers barred him from sacking Maryanne Keitany, the chief of staff in his besieged office. ---They thought that would be making her a scapegoat of Ruto's own failure to rectify his relative relegation after the elevation of Joseph Kinyua! With his lawyer, the aggressive and ebullient Khan, being the one talking of the fixing and fingering deep operators in Uhuru's office, Ruto was faced with the option of denying his lawyer ---deemed a very effective operator who knows what he is talking about, mostly , or ordering senator Keter to shut up. These two options are zero, so we have seen a much subdued Ruto seeking to make little of this ''fairy'' tale! The assertion that there is no political convenience underwriting the co-operation between Uhuru and Ruto seems baloney to me! Hang together or hang separately?...& that, Jakaswanga, is the crux of the matter. Whether it will last 20 years is another matter all together... |
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Post by b6k on Nov 18, 2013 23:50:34 GMT 3
And, generally speaking, here is the long end of it! Several things are important to take into consideration, when having a roll, having a go at the celebrated dynamic relationship between the two inhabitants of the presidential stool, namely Uhuru and Ruto. I think, like brother Kamalet, that the warmth and personal friendship between the two men is genuine. But I do not think this friendship is the reason they are in this arrangement of power. They are plenty other factors operating, beyond their wills. And that is exactly the problem to be solved. Mesays, for the friendship between two antagonists in the competitive environment of power to be genuine, it must mean one is sure of the other. That is, there is neither guile nor wile the other could spring and surprise him with. What this [psychological trade off] means in this particular Kenyan case, is that Uhuru is, comparative to the driven Ruto, a relative simpleton who knows he is [man for man] no match for Ruto, and this is why Ruto can easily accept to play second fiddle to him. Ruto does not fear Uhuru's ability to permanently outmaneuver him. In his heart, Ruto knows he is far the better man of them in politics, but recognises the paramountcy of the financial-power and potential voter-block the son of Jomo brings to the table. These practical considerations, condemn him to play the lesser role. (And pledge faith even as the cookie crumbles.)[Uhuru's flexibility, which, in the negative narrative, is a euphemism for having not his own mind, is engraved in such things like: 1. He was parachuted from anonymity to be Moi's project. It was not his heart's decision to move into politics. 2. Once he rose to leader of the opposition during Kibaki 1, senour gikuyu ideologues soon bent his purpose to abandon the calling of the general country, and cross over to support his fellow Gikuyu, under onslaught from the ''bad wind from the West!''. 3. Again these senior gikuyu ideologues, disgusted by Kibaki's impotence as fellow Kyuks were being uprooted from the Rift, prevailed upon the son of Jomo to ''save the House''. He deferred, and found himself Hague bound when the dust cleared.
4. Even though a leading contender, conservative Gikuyu capital peering ahead at a possible renegade presidency under him, managed to, in a moment later to be referred to as ''satan pulled a shadow over my eyes`, dissuade the son of Jomo from running, and instead support Mudavadi.
Thus Uhuru Kenyatta cuts the picture of a not fully forged mind. Unstable and prone to bending ..... Constantly susceptible to ''moulders'' and plotters of deeper, granite grit. Yes, the evolving Muigai has been clay in the hands of men like Arap Moi, John Michuki, and the others of premium resolves. It means Uhuru Kenyatta is basically a jolly good fellow ---until power shall have deformed his persona as definitely will happen: ( for nothing corrodes the human mind like power; and that is why it usually takes mayhem like war and civil strife to drive the point home, that it is time to go).
In power, there will be no shortage of patrons to adopt the jolly good fellow, either to manipulate him to their purposes, or, honestly believing he needs protection from top predators like Ruto and Raila, fashion vile and practice ill on perceived threats. For in history, many a monarch knows not of the blood --of innocents mostly-- spilled by thier adherents in the fortification of their Majesty's rule. The lesser HE knows of these murk, the better he can deny it, honestly. Now, were Ruto to fear the Machiavellian caliber of Uhuru Kenyatta, their personal relationship would much more be in the mould of Raila and Kalonzo, especially in their younger days. Suspicion galore. Mutual distrust does not breed interpersonal warmth. It breeds the paranoia of insecurity, breeds the wariness of the hunted, forever fretting the unseen ambush. Even in old age, Raila and Kalonzo still look an odd pair. A misfit. Indeed in the comparison with Uhuruto, they look dead bea, like old hos covered in stale make-up, competing in a young meat market. This is because Railonzo does not radiate the instinctive warmth of heart, one toward the other, which Uhuruto manages to exude. It aint-play acting fellas, that Uhuruto personal dynamism. Raila and Kalonzo of course need not be hearts friends to form a successful political duo, neither do they need must project a falsehood of harmony, but if they feel they need to project such a contrived reality to have meaning and relevance still, then I suspect they will die a sorry lot, for the public will not buy it! They need to sell purpose, and explain why they did not when one was VP and the other PM!But back to our dynamic duo. Call them twins with a genuine warmth between them, having suckled baba Moi''s teats at the KANU firm, and bonded well. Now, many in Uhuru's court recognise this superiority of brother Ruto over his sibling Uhuru, and that is a mine-field, for they consider it a clear and ever present danger. They will thus move and plot to protect the SoJ as they see fit, in the same way in which those in the kibaki court, misjudging Kibaki to be no match for Raila, moved to protect him from Raila, and thereby ruined the interpersonal relationship of the two men, and eventually ruined the Kibaki tenure.The promising tenure [of Narc] collapsed in the turbulence of the shredded MOU, other perceived betrayals, and finally entered the inferno of PEV. When the dust settled, what should have become a golden post Moi period, became a monstrosity called the GCG. An evil worse than your mad step mother in a fit! It is this palpable insecurity at the heart of Uhuru's court, and the barely disguised loathing of Ruto by a wide sector of gikuyu nationalism post 2008 PEV, which generates the nightmare scenario. While the two men enjoy their friendship and adrenalin rush at the top, conjoined in a death pact, the chess moves within their courts chart a different course. While Ruto had no problem having his office as annex to the president's, the courtiers have interpreted this, practically, to mean the DP's office is a total subservience. Every decision, appointment or financial post, must first be approved by the presidential staff! In reality then, the staff of Ruto, are all subordinates to the presidential staff. No such thing as sharing of power there, only the taking of orders. And so it came to pass that Ruto came back from Hague and went into a rage, firing Maria Anna Keitany on the spot, until he was rudely reminded that perhaps it is Iringo and Nancy Gitau he should be firing if he is really a co-principal. The Samoei was checkmated by wider Kalenjin nationalism, and had to withdraw the executioner's knife from the throat of his chief of staff Maryanne Keitany ---whom he accused of being the new PM's errand girl! The joint office, has become a bad idea. It works for Ruto personally who is in an equal relationship with Uhuru Kenyatta, but it does not work for his staff who are not in an equal relationship with the Gitau, Iringo, and the PM Joseph Kinyua.It is a harsh lesson in the inner workings of power. In his absence as he cooperates with the ICC, Ruto has returned to discover there has been a shift. Small, but irritating enough for him to loose his temper at the poor girl Anne Keitany. Joseph Kinyua has all but financially asphyxiated the DPs office. Revoking Rutos personal appointments and letting many go without pay for months. It is also called humiliation. Ruto himself says it is much ado about nothing really. Take your pick! and treat your dick! www.kenya-today.com/news/deputy-president-william-ruto-office-controlledStudying Rome's joint prefectures, Triumvirates, shared dictatorships and pro-consuls, or studying the dynamics of joint Shogunates in Japan, it is of course in the cards, that one party will be engulfed, and if it resists, a civil war will emerge. A bureaucratic civil war, to give it a minimalistic approach. Much ado about nothing really! --- Gini Ouru osekawo duto! Ruto odong' nono haa!, I almost believed your tale of UK lacking "grit" and "drive" until I took a trip down memory lane & found these two gems. In times of anger, people tend to lift the veil of civility & all those niceties shared at high tea. When it's high noon, the gloves are off and one's true persona can be seen, if ever so briefly: Here at 0:38 to 1:27 mark in this video aptly named "Uhuru's Rage": ...& this other table banging gem as seen on "Bull's Eye" from the 0:40 to 0:12 mark (with a special cameo appearance of Bill of PNU at the 2:18 mark): Methinks Ruto's political exploits are overrated (although that may be due to the fact he is considered the dragon Moi slayer). The jockeying for seats as seen from the 2:18 mark of PNU team B, which morphed into URP speaks for itself & should, in & of itself, be a reminder of who the junior party in team Uhuruto is & always will be, voters numbers notwithstanding. Ruto knows HMV when he hears it.   If Uhuru does not convey the shock & awe element that is expected of a driven leader it may be because (a) he is human, or more likely, (b) he is an Übermensch by virtue of his wealth & pedigree & doesn't need to prove it to anyone... |
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Post by podp on Nov 19, 2013 1:09:52 GMT 3
If Uhuru does not convey the shock & awe element that is expected of a driven leader it may be because (a) he is human, or more likely, (b) he is an Übermensch by virtue of his wealth & pedigree & doesn't need to prove it to anyone... We grew up in a regime where we were falsely taught that the President is “above the law”. It took us a long time to realise that that was all one big lie designed to allow room for the ruling classes to loot the common wealth and stamp on their own people with confidence that they are untouchable. Dear President Kenyatta and Deputy President Ruto, you can’t have your cake and eat it. You can submit to the law and take advantage of the ICC proceedings to prove your innocence. That will remove the millstones from around your necks. But if you try to subvert the existing law by pushing for immunity, you are demonstrating the ‘above the law’ mindset that is unacceptable in a nation looking forward to the digital age, not backwards to a by-gone era. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Pushing-for-immunity-wont-help-ICC--indictees/-/440808/2078490/-/q8a1sw/-/index.html |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 19, 2013 9:49:40 GMT 3
Jakswanga
I still see that you swallow all the gutter delivers without asking questions sometimes! Take the quote about finances being managed from Harambee house. I am sure that if you looked at the flawed constitution that gave us the two offices of President and Deputy President you will note that it created some conjoined twins in an office called The Presidency. Now the DP's office has no de facto accounting officer as prescribed in law and that accounting officer resides in Harambee house. When it comes to spending your tax shillings some senior men and women at the former Shell and BP house have been given an AIE which is subject to the control of the Accounting officer in Harambee House. Now a quick look at govt financial management would have had this small issue resolved!
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ICC may have been accelerator rather than the key reason for their unity. Even when they both were in different parties, their relationship continued and they did a number of political acts to undermine the ODM leadership and this as I said was before the two were named by Ocampo! There will be many attempts at splitting the two.....but I am not seeing it happening soon.
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Post by b6k on Nov 19, 2013 9:52:45 GMT 3
JakswangaI still see that you swallow all the gutter delivers without asking questions sometimes! Take the quote about finances being managed from Harambee house. I am sure that if you looked at the flawed constitution that gave us the two offices of President and Deputy President you will note that it created some conjoined twins in an office called The Presidency. Now the DP's office has no de facto accounting officer as prescribed in law and that accounting officer resides in Harambee house. When it comes to spending your tax shillings some senior men and women at the former Shell and BP house have been given an AIE which is subject to the control of the Accounting officer in Harambee House. Now a quick look at govt financial management would have had this small issue resolved! B6k uuuuum, yes Kamale?  |
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Post by podp on Nov 19, 2013 21:15:04 GMT 3
the 29 comments below the story below make more interesting reading for those of us far far away. what is real and what is 'norma;' ethnic bashing between supporters of the ICC indictees and their die hard supporters? www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-144228/ruto-fix-claims-bad-peace-says-analystA Kiambu political analyst has said naming the government officials who “fixed” Ruto at the ICC will polarise the country. Speaking in Kiambu town yesterday in an interview with the Star, Charles Wambugu said President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto are trying to heal and reconcile the country, and forge a way forward for the development of the country, but naming fixers will only derail the progress already achieved. “We should not be pointing fingers at each other. It will only bring us back to the post-election violence tragedy and that will not heal the nation,” he said. Wambugu said if Kenya is seen fighting over the ICC, the West will use it against the country. “If we fight among ourselves, the Western nations, which have not supported the country regarding the deferral of the cases, can use our disunity against us to destabilise the country. It is high time the country was united,” he said. Mururumo na Uhuru Mashinani lobby group said the UN Security Council failed to put into consideration the fact that Kenyans have forgiven each other, reconciled and moved on. |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 19, 2013 21:18:09 GMT 3
JakswangaI still see that you swallow all the gutter delivers without asking questions sometimes! Take the quote about finances being managed from Harambee house. I am sure that if you looked at the flawed constitution that gave us the two offices of President and Deputy President you will note that it created some conjoined twins in an office called The Presidency. Now the DP's office has no de facto accounting officer as prescribed in law and that accounting officer resides in Harambee house. When it comes to spending your tax shillings some senior men and women at the former Shell and BP house have been given an AIE which is subject to the control of the Accounting officer in Harambee House. Now a quick look at govt financial management would have had this small issue resolved! B6k uuuuum, yes Kamale? angalia juu! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 19, 2013 21:23:59 GMT 3
JakswangaI still see that you swallow all the gutter delivers without asking questions sometimes! Take the quote about finances being managed from Harambee house. I am sure that if you looked at the flawed constitution that gave us the two offices of President and Deputy President you will note that it created some conjoined twins in an office called The Presidency. Now the DP's office has no de facto accounting officer as prescribed in law and that accounting officer resides in Harambee house. When it comes to spending your tax shillings some senior men and women at the former Shell and BP house have been given an AIE which is subject to the control of the Accounting officer in Harambee House. Now a quick look at govt financial management would have had this small issue resolved! B6kICC may have been accelerator rather than the key reason for their unity. Even when they both were in different parties, their relationship continued and they did a number of political acts to undermine the ODM leadership and this as I said was before the two were named by Ocampo! There will be many attempts at splitting the two.....but I am not seeing it happening soon. I do not like you pretending you do not know how politics work in government. The short of the matter is, Ruto’s people have been rudely woken up to the fact that there is no such thing as Ruto’s office as an independent administrative structure. They are all employees of the presidency. When Ruto is mostly absent, they are litter loitering about!Their best shot is when Uhuru will be mostly absent and Ruto is IN full presence. Then they can recover the mileage. --- Have Ruto, as acting president, sign for them all the monies they need and, most importantly, cut down PM Kinyua to size by revoking all his earlier decrees.I told loafing Ruto to stop squandering valuable time in church and sit in his office working and tending the details of paper work and power play. A tedium, but that is where the devil is! Of course Uhuru Kenyatta would be a fool not to reign in Kinyua who, apparently, has gotten under the skin of Ruto and made him blow his top! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 19, 2013 21:53:37 GMT 3
And the long end of it follows thus! brother Kamalet!I am not sure what you are denying if anything! You think it is a figment out of the ‘simpletonic’ imagination of the daily gutters of Kenya, that Ruto was so angry he sacked Marianne Keitany, only to be forced back by brutal Kalenjin nationalist backlash? Or [are you denying] that his senior handpicks and personal staff have had their appointments revoked [most likely on orders of the head of the civil service and illegal PM Joseph Kinyua] in his absence, and some of them [Ruto top-brass] have gone several months without pay polish! NB: There is this interesting bit, which you will not find in the daily gutters neither. Why was Keter choosing the church as a venue to slice this issue? ---If I remember correctly, it was in Litein, which should be between Bomet and Kericho, or between Sotik-Kaplong’ to Kericho! Actually Keter had no intentions of mentioning the subject, but he was confronted by the grassroots who, listening to their local radio stations dissecting lawyer Khan’s bombshell, had developed pretty hot opinions!! NB: Here I have to rely on the old teachers network! The Kipsigis walimu moniyot what is hot on Kipsigis Fms, I review what is hot on our Fish waves, and the Nandi walimu tell us what is hot in upper Eldoret. PINY OWACHO ----Like I was telling this club how my main man John Mbadi had to spend a whole day calling dholuo radio stations after news emerged that he had clandestinely taken something to support deferral! Callers were saying things like ‘’kaka koro Mbadi giri nyoro opeko olundgi n’Ouru mondo onyam cha! Donge gin wechegi nyaka wago mana gi chung’’’ It was all he could do to avoid excommunication. [The dHOLUO Piny Owacho stations go with pompous names like KAR CHUNY JALUO, DUOND JOKANYARNAM, OD-WADU, MA TO MARWA, KETE MANA KANYO JADHOOT! though from the trouble they have with plane-speaking callers, one deciphers a major fault-line. [‘’With folks like Mbadi having bared their butts for Uhuru, he is now a dog to be ignored!’’ And moderators who censored, soon found out nobody was bothering to call in! –peoples power!] Now, I understood Kalenjin land is no different. Callers were asking if people like Keter had been lying when they went around announcing it had been Raila fixing Ruto! Or whether it was lawyer Khan who had his facts wrong!Like John Mbadi in Luoland, senator Keter had to do a bit of damage limitation! He could not trash lawyer Khan, neither could he do an ostrich, so what option did he have but to take the bull by the horn? Of course the Kalenjin elite could not care less about Gitau or Iringo. So what if they fixed Ruto? That is the way the game is played up there. And Ruto is no saint either [ look at the way they played Mudavadi before the nominations!]. Treachery is the name of the game up there. But lower down, the word treachery has meaning, has emotional resonance, and, unqualified, has mobilising consequences that have to do with the emotive constituency of hatred. Msaliti is no proud title in common cultural discourse. When Iringo and Gitau are called the ‘’Judas couple’’ in some local language by local people, any politician representing those people must beware, and prepare an exhaustive answer if he disagrees. If the audience had not demanded Keter come clear, I am sure he would still be singing the hymn it is all Raila’s doing!NB 2: Before they ban call-in programmes in Kenya, there will be trouble for politicians -- and they cleverly sought to fix this problem by the media and communications bill 2013! I was listening to one of these female hot-mouth DJs on a Nairobi FM at night. She was asking for Kalenjins to call and tell her whom they believed fixed Ruto. Raila Kibaki boys or the Uhuru courtiers? Or nobody anyway? Or could it be Arap Moi’s revenge?
This lady then goes like this: ‘’I understand Raila is uncircumcised. How can such a lesser man fix two circumcised heroes like Ruto and Uhuru? Or are these two just pretenders not yet cut? Jameni, any circumcised men out there to call and explain this to me!’’nb 3: My gikuyu lawyer employs a secretary solely charged with monitoring gikuyu mayhem on radio for his non gikuyu clients. So he was briefing us on this talk-show which, as subject, reigned down on gikuyu women married or sexing with kehees ---Traitors! somebody poked! Love is blind said another! Our women are incapable of love, said yet another! Trophies they are to these fishy men -- a shame! quipped another! Kuma yangu mali yangu nausa nipendavyo retorted a rebel girl! Yes Kamalet, I have come to agree, the daily press in english are not in the business of reporting Kenya. For that, you have to listen to Kenyans uncensored! Can be a bit scary though! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 19, 2013 22:19:54 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I almost believed your tale of UK lacking "grit" and "drive" until I took a trip down memory lane & found these two gems. In times of anger, people tend to lift the veil of civility & all those niceties shared at high tea. When it's high noon, the gloves are off and one's true persona can be seen, if ever so briefly: Here at 0:38 to 1:27 mark in this video aptly named "Uhuru's Rage": ...& this other table banging gem as seen on "Bull's Eye" from the 0:40 to 0:12 mark (with a special cameo appearance of Bill of PNU at the 2:18 mark): That is not grit, that is a man who has lost his temper in public! An angry man! Grit for example, take John Michuki. He took on the Matatus and touts. They threatened to bring public transport in Nairobi down. Michuki smiled. He sent a special GSU unit to invite the leaders of the Matatu associations et al to a meeting. He told them, yes, strike for a few days, after that, it will be national economic sabotage, and I will have you all killed, and all your properties confiscated! And your families shall be paupers in this land so long I live! Ach, may be Michuki was just bluffing. But I was informed transport gurus did not want to risk finding out otherwise! That is the grit in Michuki. Now, Ouru Kenyatta complains severally in public about a too high public wage bill. Then what happens? everybody hikes their pay. The JSC thieves, the MCAs [formerly known as councillors or ward reps], the Mpigs, the teachers ---the public wage bill shoots up another significant %! What do you wanna call that? Superman? dont care man? clown? irrelevant moron? ---Safe word would be simply INCOMPETENT. Yes, Ruto, I am aware, has been characterised an mere opportunist. That is, he was forced to join ODM in the run to 2007, because the Kalenjin ground had turned into a wave fired by land. And Ruto had never fought the Kalenjin land corner! On state craft, he is just incompetent, what we call infantile. You see, when personally threatened, he has proven himself a driven man, using the full powers of the Kenyan state to argue deferral, excusals, withdrawal from the statutes of Rome, mobilise the AU, the UNSC. Those are super efforts even if quixotic. That is a man decidedly fighting his corner. Now, if he could spend the same amount of energy on a single national problem, say insecurity or corruption??? would not the results be spectacular, and not in the quixotic sense!?  Seeing where Kenya is, in the rank of nations on earth, I dare say we need a ''driven man'' with something to prove! that yes we can uplift our country in record time, when we set our minds/efforts to it! Ever heard of nations built by contented men who had nothing to prove? |
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Post by b6k on Nov 20, 2013 10:12:58 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, please don't fall under the general fallacy that Uhuru is motivated to act only on things ICC. If you take a look at the dairy industry for example you will find that he is an extremely driven man, albeit with a little help from his younger brother, Muhoho. Over the last few months, Brookside Dairy has purchased (controlling) shares in almost all large private milk packaging companies in the nation. Brookside is in effect creating a monopsony (a market where there is only one buyer) in the market. This does not bode well for Kenya's dairy farmers. Let them sell to KCC you say. Well, being el presidente, don't you think Uhuru can pull some strings behind the scenes to make sure that the para-statal toes the line? Excerpt 1: "School milk program is set to be revamped to Sh2.6 billion, and it’s not easy to know whether it’s out of Uhuru’s love for kids, or it’s just out of expanding business for Brookside. With Brookside set to supply 70% of the milk to schools, with the rest including KCC sharing the rest 30% of the business, it’s easy to see, how Uhuru’s Brookside will pocket at least 1.5 billion of the Sh2.6 billion school milk budget." Excerpt 2: "There’s already talk of KCC being privatized, and you never know, Brookside is very keen on acquiring a majority stake, together with a Chinese Dairy company. And poor souls, that would be it. Game over for Dairy farmers. KCC is what NCPB is to the maize farmers." www.kenya-today.com/opinion/uhurus-plot-to-sabotage-dairy-industryThe brilliant thing about the Kenyatta family strategy in its bid to monopolize the dairy industry is they tend to leave the brands they acquire running (at least their brands if staff really are sent packing as the article alludes to in at least one case) so as to display a sense of false competition. Excerpt: "In its acquisition spree, Brookside has managed to buy out all its close competitors including Ilara, Delamare and Spin Knit, which was selling the Tuzo brand. This leaves out Fresha, owned by Githunguri Dairies and New KCC as the only other big processors in the market. A consumer study carried out in December last year shows that Molo Milk, manufactured by Buzeki Dairy, commands 18 per cent of the processed milk market followed by Brookside Dairy’s Tuzo and Ilara brands with 15 per cent each. Three Brookside Dairy brands — Tuzo, Ilara and Brookside enjoy a combined market share of 42 per cent, according to the Consumer Insight survey." www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000087532/brookside-dairy-acquires-majority-stake-in-molo-milkKeep in mind Stanley Githunguri is amongst the elite Kikuyus who supported ODM/CORD who have effectively been neutralized by Jubilee machinations. KE has reached the stage where it is run by the robber barons much like the US was in the 19th century. We need anti-trust laws ASAP! Misunderstimate (to use a Bushism) this guy at your own peril... PS: Don't forget Uhuru's milk money turned Gor Mahia around to make 'em champions after 18 years in the wilderness! How's that for drive? 
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 21, 2013 20:04:26 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, please don't fall under the general fallacy that Uhuru is motivated to act only on things ICC. If you take a look at the dairy industry for example you will find that he is an extremely driven man, albeit with a little help from his younger brother, Muhoho. Over the last few months, Brookside Dairy has purchased (controlling) shares in almost all large private milk packaging companies in the nation. Brookside is in effect creating a monopsony (a market where there is only one buyer) in the market. This does not bode well for Kenya's dairy farmers. Let them sell to KCC you say. Well, being el presidente, don't you think Uhuru can pull some strings behind the scenes to make sure that the para-statal toes the line? Excerpt 1: "School milk program is set to be revamped to Sh2.6 billion, and it’s not easy to know whether it’s out of Uhuru’s love for kids, or it’s just out of expanding business for Brookside. With Brookside set to supply 70% of the milk to schools, with the rest including KCC sharing the rest 30% of the business, it’s easy to see, how Uhuru’s Brookside will pocket at least 1.5 billion of the Sh2.6 billion school milk budget." Excerpt 2: "There’s already talk of KCC being privatized, and you never know, Brookside is very keen on acquiring a majority stake, together with a Chinese Dairy company. And poor souls, that would be it. Game over for Dairy farmers. KCC is what NCPB is to the maize farmers." www.kenya-today.com/opinion/uhurus-plot-to-sabotage-dairy-industryThe brilliant thing about the Kenyatta family strategy in its bid to monopolize the dairy industry is they tend to leave the brands they acquire running (at least their brands if staff really are sent packing as the article alludes to in at least one case) so as to display a sense of false competition. Excerpt: "In its acquisition spree, Brookside has managed to buy out all its close competitors including Ilara, Delamare and Spin Knit, which was selling the Tuzo brand. This leaves out Fresha, owned by Githunguri Dairies and New KCC as the only other big processors in the market. A consumer study carried out in December last year shows that Molo Milk, manufactured by Buzeki Dairy, commands 18 per cent of the processed milk market followed by Brookside Dairy’s Tuzo and Ilara brands with 15 per cent each. Three Brookside Dairy brands — Tuzo, Ilara and Brookside enjoy a combined market share of 42 per cent, according to the Consumer Insight survey." www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000087532/brookside-dairy-acquires-majority-stake-in-molo-milkKeep in mind Stanley Githunguri is amongst the elite Kikuyus who supported ODM/CORD who have effectively been neutralized by Jubilee machinations. KE has reached the stage where it is run by the robber barons much like the US was in the 19th century. We need anti-trust laws ASAP! Misunderstimate (to use a Bushism) this guy at your own peril... PS: Don't forget Uhuru's milk money turned Gor Mahia around to make 'em champions after 18 years in the wilderness! How's that for drive? B6k, This is an extraordinary tale, and insight. I wonder whether you are aware of how it beautifully captures the historical stage of capitalist accumulation wherein Kenya is now situated. ---Uhuru Kenyatta being the text-book representative of the cream of Kenya's rich. ---He has abundant capital which must multiply: what are his options? --I will handle this in detail elsewhere in the appropriate thread, but today, suffice is to say.... Here is where Muhoho Kenyatta went to school: TRUST FORMATION. So the Kenyatta’s will be doing a Milk Trust, in the mode of Rockeffeller’s Oil trust. And behind the scenes, his banks forming a loan cartel, will try to preferentially even the way some. [Like Rothschilds was to Rockeffeller's machinations] Well, [Wikipedia] Trusts and cartels are in the rule bad things for the economy and the market. But in the short-run, this is the historical option of the economic phenomenon Uhuru Kenyatta.[By virtue of the economic class he comes from, and the current constellation of the productive forces in Kenya]. Kenyatta senior [Jomo] used the state to primitively amass via land, mortgaging land off against capital, furthering his accumulation. Kenyatta II must, by the dynamics of capital accumulated, find a way to ‘’multiply’’ the cash, aka investment. Since he can not outrightly compete in the ''open market'' ---his banks would be swallowed up immediately by bigger sharks--- he has to 1.personally be in control of the state, so that he can best bend it to his financial purpose ---as you hint below... 2. Choose relatively safe investment portforlios, in which he can use the state power he wields to mediate his business interests: eg revamp the school milk programme, and have his companies supply the milk! Nothing mysterious about these things, nothing unique about these things. Capitalism has been here 300 years, and some countries like the USA have had unbroken records on all its phases! We lat folks just calibrate where we are! On Gor, yes I heard a corded Kogalo fan lament: Y awa, Ouru obolonwa chogo mondo ogalwa, to en odhi gi maduong' cha!Uhuru has tossed us a bone to keep us entertained, while he has fled with the cream! |
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Post by podp on Nov 22, 2013 0:52:48 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Keep in mind Stanley Githunguri is amongst the elite Kikuyus who supported ODM/CORD who have effectively been neutralized by Jubilee machinations. KE has reached the stage where it is run by the robber barons much like the US was in the 19th century. We need anti-trust laws ASAP! Misunderstimate (to use a Bushism) this guy at your own peril... PS: Don't forget Uhuru's milk money turned Gor Mahia around to make 'em champions after 18 years in the wilderness! How's that for drive? In the late 19th century, corrupt railroad capitalists created the Panic of 1873 and Panic of 1893 through lying about their business activities, buying off politicians and siphoning off capital into their own pockets. Railroad corporations set up phony corporations that allowed them to embezzle money from the railroad into their bank accounts. When exposed, the entire economy collapsed as banks failed around the country. The Panic of 1893 lasted five years, created 25% unemployment, and was the worst economic crisis in American history before the Great Depression. In the early 21st century, the poorly regulated financial industry plunged the nation into the longest economic downturn since the Depression. Like in the Gilded Age, none of the culprits have served a day in prison. www.alternet.org/story/156111/8_ways_america%27s_headed_back_to_the_robber-baron_erareading you it is so surreal |
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Post by podp on Nov 23, 2013 3:14:59 GMT 3
anyone remembers how Raila and Ruto started falling out....it was over the Mau evictions many moons later the unraveling of the Uhuru and Ruto continues and the poor evictees will be those still dreaming of peace between their two communities, that is non existent The sources, who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the envoys called on Mr Ruto to prevail upon President Kenyatta to agree to attend his trial through video link “as that was the nearest compromise that the international community could support.” “The trio discussed the use of video link for two hours. Mr Ruto said he had no problem with the issue but had to consult first,” a source privy to the meeting said. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/William-Ruto-United-States-United-Kingdom/-/1064/2085042/-/7vx76ez/-/index.htmlwhat happens when Ruto is acquitted by ICC come next year and Uhuru has to face trial? how is a President impeached as per our Constitution? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HopeHope can first be seen in ancient Greek mythology with the story of Zeus and Prometheus. Prometheus stole fire from the god Zeus, which infuriated the supreme god. In turn, Zeus created a box that contained all manners of evil, unbeknownst to the receiver of the box. Pandora opened the box after being warned not to, and those evils were released into the world; hope, which lay at the bottom of the box, remained. This is the beginning of the tale of hope |
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, or ordering senator Keter to shut up.
and treat your dick!
