ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO I PARTICIPATED IN A SIMILAR DISCUSSION ON MASHADA. HERE IS A FLASH BACK:#37624, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 1
WE ONYI UNAJIFANYA MJUAJI NA KICHWA YAKO IMEJAA MAJI
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Onyango Oloo
Fri Feb-06-04 09:54 AM
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#37581, " say NO to HOMOPHOBIA"
In response to Reply # 0
if you are comfortable with your sexuality you should not fear those who are different.
i consider myself a gay positive heterosexual kenyan man and i have no hesitation in saying that those who hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people are the real freaks.
oo
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mumgy
Fri Feb-06-04 10:00 AM
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#37582, "RE: say NO to HOMOPHOBIA"
In response to Reply # 2
And err...whats the meaning of gay positive heterosexuality.
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jmburus
Wed Feb-11-04 04:10 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
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#37981, "RE: say NO to HOMOPHOBIA"
In response to Reply # 3
>And err...whats the meaning of gay positive heterosexuality.
in simple terms it means .. MONOSEXUAL
..yaani kwa lugha ya kiswahili .... "anajifanya mwenyewe"
This is where soap come in handy
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Kamale
Fri Feb-06-04 10:02 AM
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#37583, "RE: say NO to HOMOPHOBIA"
In response to Reply # 2
Fri Feb-06-04 10:02 AMby Kamale
....and God made ADAM and EVE not Adam and Steve!
Every orifice in the body has a function, and should not be experimented with other functions lest you get a malfunction.
Say NO to sexual freaks!
"You have nothing to fear from my basic instincts; Its my finer ones that tell me to kill you"
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Onyango Oloo
Fri Feb-06-04 01:13 PM
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#37599, "to mumgy"
In response to Reply # 2
Sun Feb-08-04 04:06 AMby Onyango Oloo
to be a gay positive heterosexual is simply to be a straight person who is not judgmental about other people's life style. in other words it is to be a straight person who believes in the equality, self worth and dignity of people regardless of their sexual orientation.
i have often been amazed to see self-proclaimed christians act more like sadducees and pharisees rather than emulating the example of the thirtysomething teacher who was born in nazareth and did not mind hanging out with hookers, lepers and other outcasts of society.
as a man who loves women passionately i am not at all threatened by other men who choose to love men, by women who love other women or even by people who refuse to choose between their love for either gender or people who see themselves as transgendered.
like the vast majority of kenyans, i was socialized to be very homophobic and i remember how passionately i campaigned against the homosexuals for a very long time especially when i was in prison because that time we were fighting older prisoners who were acting as predators on younger, very naive convicts seduced by food and cigarettes to give up their backsides. some of us almost got poisoned for these actions.
for me one of the eyeopeners came around 1989 in toronto. I was cracking what i thought was a very juicy homophobic joke to someone who i assumed was straight like me. he did not laugh, but he also did not say anything to me at the time. it was only weeks later when he quietly informed me that he was in fact gay and felt quite insulted and offended by the so called "joke". thoroughly embarassed, i started finding out more about that community.
and it is then that i discovered that many of us straight people are homophobic largely because of socialization and pure ignorance. for instance, gay people rarely if ever, come on to straight people they are not attracted to someone like you and i. in fact what often drives them is fear of having their actions misconstrued by straight people.
i also discovered that it is often very insecure people who are not sure if THEY are actually straight who are OFTEN THE MOST RABID HOMOPHOBES. if you know you are straight, why should someone's sexual orientation drive you to fear, rage and the attendant insecurities?
the other thing that i have come to realize that there are many, many kenyans who are gay, bisexual and transgendered who are everywhere. i am sure that some of them are here in mashada. i always wonder how many of the homophobes here in mashada are themselves gay people who are cowering in their closets? in the fifties two of the most notorious persecutors of homosexuals were j.edgar hoover and roy cohn, during the height of mccarthyism in america. yet the fbi director was rumoured to prance around in dresses in his bedroom and roy cohn was a notorious connoiseur of rent boys.
kenyans should learn to be accepting of all the diversity that exists within the kenyan society.
i will round off with an african example. president mugabe of zimbabwe is one of the world's most notorious homophobes. and that is why i chuckled heartily when i contemplated that it was more than poetic justice to discover that one of his mentors and confidants, the late canon banana was caught in an infamous same sex scandal.
oo
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y5next
Fri Feb-06-04 02:52 PM
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#37607, "RE: to mumgy"
In response to Reply # 5
>i consider myself a gay positive heterosexual kenyan man...
Who aspires for the next step up of gay-positive-METROsexual man by learning to dress well and smelling like a flower.....Hehehehehehehehehehe!
Fi-Fo-Fum!
P.S. Football season is over and you're ALL fair game until the Champions League resumes...
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H.N.I.C
Fri Feb-06-04 03:52 PM
Member since Jan 15th 2004
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#37612, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
OH MY GOD!! WHERE ARE WE HEADING TO? JESUS SHOULD COME,I REPEAT YESU ARUDI HARAKA.GAY MARRIAGE,THIS IS SICK, PATHETIC, ONEONE PRACTISING IT OR SUPPOTING IT SHOULD BE BURNT OR STONED TO DEATH.ONYANGO OLOO Y DID GOD CREATED EVE? WHY DO WOMEN HAVE A HOLE AND A MAN A SNAKE.NYOKA INAFAA KUINGIA PANGONI C ETI NYOKA INABUSIANA NA NYOKA.THE BIBLE CLEARLY CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOR.IF U KNOW U RGAY BETTER COMMIT SUICIDE AND LEAVE THIS WORLD A CLEANER PLACE.Yesu arudi bana vitu watu wanafanya bana?
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Onyango Oloo
Fri Feb-06-04 04:07 PM
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#37614, "to HNIC"
In response to Reply # 7
Fri Feb-06-04 04:08 PMby Onyango Oloo
are you HNIC or just a myopic bible thumping HICK?
please do not be a pious priick or a self righteous diick
i will teach you a little trick
learn to tolerate, dear HNIC
let us build brick by brick
a nation glued together thick
by tolerance and acceptance of difference not speak
words vile and offensive o sanctimonious HNIC
oo
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H.N.I.C
Fri Feb-06-04 03:54 PM
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#37613, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
hizi ni dhambi zina annoy hata the devii
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Onyango Oloo
Fri Feb-06-04 04:13 PM
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#37616, "dhambi kubwa zaidi kakangu"
In response to Reply # 8
Fri Feb-06-04 04:50 PMby Onyango Oloo
dhambi kubwa zaidi kakangu ni kujifanya mungu
na kukashifu binadamu wengine
kwani wewe ni nani
ujigambe kwa madharau
ukipitisha hukumu juu ya wengine
kwani kuna msenge ashawahi
kukusihi umbandue ama akugeuze wewe
uwe manzi wake akushindilie huko nyuma
kama wewe si basha wala biskuti
mbona unapapatika na wasiwasi
mimi nipendaye wanawake na kufanya ngono nao
napenda nyapu na nafurahi
kila mara mshikaji akinigawia uroda
napenda kugonga kashata
na kupapasa na kunyonya vinembe
na kwa hivyo mimi kamwe
siogopi mtu eti kwa sababu ni ni wewe
ama mwanamke wa kusagana na wenziwe
ama mtu wa pembeni....
oo
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H.N.I.C
Fri Feb-06-04 05:23 PM
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#37623, "RE: dhambi kubwa zaidi kakangu"
In response to Reply # 10
Mzee Onyi What's your position?Trying to come at me sideways you must be a ####ing retard.ur oblangata tells m u that anyone condemning evil is playing God.i think age is really catching up with u very fast that ur mentallity is below par.upende usipende bibilia inasema uni wewe haikubaliwi.guess u told old to interpret the bible but dont worry mzee wanyanye na mababu wanarudi chuo,shule ni bure Kenya its not late for u to clad in school uniform and go back to school and be taught how to intepret the bible.meanwhile i will be busy screwing ur daughter tallying ma kunyafa mamanzi to 14,000 mdinyo. I DONT FEAR GAYS ITS THE HABIT I CONDEMN. USIFANYE NIKUSHUKU####################################
Now take these words home and think it through
For the next one write might be about you don
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Onyango Oloo
Fri Feb-06-04 05:34 PM
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#37625, "your language gives you away"
In response to Reply # 11
Fri Feb-06-04 05:53 PMby Onyango Oloo
tell me something HNIC:
how many handles do you plan on having in mashada?
your writing style is almost like your finger prints you know. and you are a frequent poster here. sometimes you pretend to be a woman. sometimes you are a meru, other times you are a luo, one day you are a bukusu the next time you are from the coast.
it is pretty transparent in case you did not know.
by the way those putdowns are pretty lame and tired by now.
i am promising you that the day is nearing when i will publicly name and shame you.
to see you resort to cheap insults is to see you practically waving the white flag of surrender. so i will not humiliate you further.
ps:
it was not me who started the kiswahili exchange. if you can not handle the language, do not even go there.
oo
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sexybodygal
Fri Feb-06-04 09:26 PM
Member since Nov 14th 2003
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#37635, "RE: your language gives you away"
In response to Reply # 13
Onyango Oloo...stand firm..i loved your reasoning.
HOmophobes who quote the bible are just insecure, the bible in itself is another argument altogether but that's a different story.
This same bible does not advocate for pre marital sex but you don't see peope pointing fingers in that situation.
This is one of those arguments that will continue back and forth, and i have previously shared my views..so i will not engage in trivial back and forth insults.
I agree fully with the author of this point, hate them all you want to but Kenya will finally come to accept this lifestyle wether you like it or not, so for all y'all homophobes....deal with it or move on.
sbg
NANI KAMA MIMI?
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kanampiu
Fri Feb-06-04 09:46 PM
Member since Oct 17th 2003
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#37636, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Feb-06-04 09:54 PMby kanampiu
Onyash ati you are what again?
A positive Gay Heterosexual man
LMAO!!!!!!!!1
That means once in awhile you find
yourself gnashing at the pillow
ama what ?
Or is that a slow step to acceptance?
I told you that I noticed certain
tendenciess your bytch ness, temper
tantrums good for you.
When your arse will be swollen and
stiched up hey at least you will
have memories.
Lol Onyash chill out with the political
correctness.
Ati POSITIVE GAY HETEROSEXUAL.
Kamale take your old fashioned
head out of your arze.
The mouth is used for eating and
also it holds the tongue which
am sure on occassion has had
you reciting Tawala Kenya Tawala
in French.
So easy on the gay people they
have a right to be here .
HNIC
Kwenda uko wewe notice how your
boys are keeping their distance.
Simple they don't penda the way you are
always flicking their arzes.
Insisting on hugging everytime you
see them
only to start rubbing them
gently on their backs moving downwards.
And the killer the goodbye whispers
you give them.
Man HNIC their women are tripping over
your behavior and people are talking
about it.
Am thinking that you are a GAY IN HIDING.
What do you think?
Alot of them actually think you are
a POSITIVE GAY HETEROSEXUAL MAN.
Yap I think this is the most important
issue that the people at bomas have
dealt with so far.
Give gay people their right to marriage
I agree.
Chuka Town's own Kanampiu.
Milele ni sisi
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Muigai Mwaura
Fri Feb-06-04 10:06 PM
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#37638, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 15
"Kwenda uko wewe notice how your
boys are keeping their distance.
Simple they don't penda the way you are
always flicking their arzes.
Insisting on hugging everytime you
see them"
Ha, ha, ha!
But seriously why people think that the government should be able to grant or deny permission to people who want to make a voluntary contractual agreement with each other is beyond me.
Ni undu o mundu uria wina indo, niwe ukaheo, na akiriririo: no uria utari na indo, niagatunywo una kiria arinakio.
Matt 13:12
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Karis
Fri Feb-06-04 10:55 PM
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#37647, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 15
Fri Feb-06-04 11:03 PMby Karis
Homosexuality is one very divisive subject for even the most sophisticated societies. It's an issue that defines the way one defines her/his world. To be on the safe side, stay oblivious!
Both sides hold some very strong views. A secularist might see it as free expression of liberty. On the other hand, someone who's religious might see it as an outright breach of conviction. Is anyone of them right and the other one wrong? No one in our conceptional world can claim actuality.
In light of this sometimes unbridgeable divide, what can rescue a society is democracy. Should there be a universal concept? Probably not because of it's mitigating effect bearing in mind the strength of feelings whichever way. In other words, keep yours feeling to yourself unless asked!
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"Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions."
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Trafalgar
Fri Feb-06-04 11:55 PM
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#37652, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
Sat Feb-07-04 12:01 AMby Trafalgar
OO, HNIC you all have issues...anyway forget you.
To the issue of gay marriage as Kamale said its a unbiblical and against the norms of society. Yes they exist and we can't refuse to acknowledge them.
The Massachusetts Supreme court recently allowed gay marriages which i guess was triggered by the US Supreme court ruling against the Texas Sodomy Law. This summer the US Supreme court will hear a case on gay marriages and i guess the Mass ruling will be a trigger to make it constitutional.
The US House of representatives was planning an amendment prohibiting gay marriages but with this kind of ruling you have to slow down and observe the weather. Personally i found it weird to act against creation laws...and personally i wouldn't sanction marriages or unions. Yes they are there but i normally ignore them. BTW there was this documentary on gay marriages in some church in Ontario...Those vows sounded funny and for those offended by gay unions you would have thrown up when you heard the bible being re-written.
PS: Onyango Oloo i saw somewhere where you mentioned coast province in your post. Hope you were not referring to me coz i am not NHIC or whatever his/her name is. Any time i need to take a pot shot at you i will always do it as Trafalgar. Thanks
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 10:05 AM
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#37674, "to trafalgar"
In response to Reply # 18
just to clarify- it was NOT YOU i was referring to.
oo
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Emilio
Fri Feb-06-04 11:58 PM
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#37653, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
Are gay people born gay or they pick this up by way of conditioning as they grow up? What are the facts on this? I dont hate those who choose this alternative lifestyle...I just pray to God my sons and daughters stay true to the set system.
On the other hand I think a gay male is a very strong person both emotionally and physically. I dont know of too many people who would bend over and take another dudes 8 inches plus worth of wood up their hershey highway and still live to smile about it and do it all over again. You have to be a special breed of human.
Friendly fire - isn't!
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biwotmoi
Sat Feb-07-04 12:39 AM
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#37654, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 19
OO, i'm with you on this one. plus i am proud to be a resident of Mass. a liberal state with right thinking judges in the midst if Bush's sweeping mediocrity. I ask myself why non-gay people should be worried about gay couples getting married; its not like they are coming to marry you. live and let live.
"Only a life lived for others is a life worth living" Albert Einstein.
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rashad
Sat Feb-07-04 01:58 AM
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#37657, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 20
SHETANI ASHINDWE!!!
RISWA!!!!!!!!!!!
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TeamManager
Sat Feb-07-04 06:13 AM
Member since Dec 28th 2003
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#37665, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 21
Just one question you sexually perverts;
20years down the line when men and women will start having regular sex with various Animals and start defining it as their sexual preference, will you support it?
Every entrance/exit in the body has a purpose. The Mouth has a tongue and saliva for tasting food, The nose has a shape and hair to trap dirt as we breath. At least for NORMAL people the sexual organ has sexual sensitive area plus secrets fluids to enhance sexual pleasure. For NORMAL people the anus has only major purpose, i.e. to remove waste digestive products.
Stop this sin before humans get worse
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 10:00 AM
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#37671, "neanderthal argument TEAM MANAGER"
In response to Reply # 22
Sun Feb-08-04 03:54 AMby Onyango Oloo
try and sober up before going ballistic calling people perverts. one of the assumptions in your arguments is that one is only talking about same sex relationships involving men. how about lesbians? where does your anal argument take you? what you are saying is pretty rectal, if you ask me. anal sex as you well know, is a very popular and routine practice among a lot of heterosexuals, including married religious couples who may be very freaky and kinky in the privacy of their otherwise sanctimonious homes. lie to me and tell me you have never, in your life seen hardcore porn featuring anal penetration involving a woman and a man. and talking of the mouth, i suppose your sexual pleaures are pretty limited to the pedestrian missionary position if you have never given or received oral sex, if you have never strolled downtown...
wake up to the reality that in kenya today there are hundreds of thousands of women and men who are already in same sex relationships. growing up in mombasa(which is the most cosmopolitan urban area in kenya) i heard many stories of lesbians being forced into arranged marriages; of young gays being compelled to go through the ardous ritual of breaking the virginity of female strangers they were not attracted to. result: many of those marriages ending in divorce within a couple of years or the couple getting into some tacit understanding that when their spouses went on dates with their real same sex lovers, they would turn a blind eye- the straight half of that relationship would also embark on their own long term extramarital affair and it would be all subterfuge and smoking mirrors.
why are these people forced to live unhappy lives in total denial of their true selves because of the ignorant attitudes of a horde of frothing bigots who preach fire and brimstone? the other thing i noticed in mombasa is that several of the most ardent persecutors and castigators of gays and lesbians were themselves practising homosexuals who tried to keep a tight lid on their dark secrets.
as a socialist i am committed to some core principles. one of those principles is a comprehensive, all encompassing approach to issues of social justice and equal rights. you can not for example grant rights to men and deny them to women; you can not grant rights to straight people and deny the same rights to gays, lesbians and bisexual people; you can not grant rights to christians and deny the same to muslims, hindus, jews, practioners of traditional faiths, agnostics and atheists; you can not grant rights to adults and deny the same to the youth; you can not grant rights to kenyans living in kenya and deny the same rights to kenyans living abroad; you simply can not choose on who qualifies for equal rights.....
one of the reasons why some of us choose to be conscious non-religious people is precisely to escape the medieval and neanderthal cobwebs that obfuscate otherwise lucid and razor sharp minds.
kenyans should have more discussions around sexuality, sexual orientation, gender identity and socially constructed gender roles. many people, including someone like you TEAM MANAGER are clearly groping ludicrously in an unlit dark room cloaked with layers upon layers of centuries old prejudices, misconceptions and cant on these matters.
let me illustrate by talking about how matters get conflated by parochial fundamentalists of all stripes. let us talk about child molesters. frequently when we read that an older man has sexually molested a young boy, we automatically assume that the abuser, must, ipso facto be a homosexual because anal penetration may have been involved. however the truth is that the overwhelming number of these pederasts are actually RED BLOODED STRAIGHT MEN who abuse the trust of the children in their care. Some of these pedophiles are married family members who are not and will never be involved in same sex relationships. so it is not the sexual act that defines someone's orientation mr/mrs./ms TEAM MANAGER. and child sexual abuse IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE, there is nothing "sexual and consensual" about it except the fact that a ruthless, cruel adult has decided to rob an innocent child of their childhood. yet time and time again, obtuse bigots dreg up the sexual abuse of children by adults as one of their central arguments to justify their demented homophobia.
TEAM MANAGER have you ever paused to think that one of your own brothers or sisters could be gay, lesbian or bisexual? do you know how many young kenyans coming from strict religious homes have killed themselves after hearing weekly sermons about how god was going to punish homophobic slurgots and d**es? TEAM MANAGER, let me tell you something that i learned over thirteen years ago when i was getting trained as an hiv/aids educator. one of the things i learned and practice to this day was the question of assumptions. for example when you are in an african community center sensitizing people to issues of hiv infection, it is simply criminal to assume that you are talking to a roomful of hiv negative individuals who will warm up to your judgmental holier than thou attitudes against the so called "sinners" who are being "punished" by the supreme deity for committing the capital religious offence of fornicating before, during, or outside marriage. if one has to make an assumption, the safer thing actually, is to go the other way and TAKE FOR GRANTED that in that room there are at least three or four people who are hiv positive who have come to hear messages of hope and empowerment rather than be subjected to a terrifying litany of diatribes of putrid condemnation. that is why right now, as a straight mashadite talking about issues of sexual orientation, i would find it simply dangerous to ASSUME THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON READING OR RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD IS STRAIGHT. for example, TEAM MANAGER, i do not know whether you are a man, woman or child, let alone know whether you are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, your homophobic ranting notwithstanding. i go the other way and ASSUME THAT AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR MASHADITES ARE GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL AND/OR TRANSGENDERED. and to those three or four, i consider it my duty to embrace them when they are being shunned, castigated and subhumanized by unhinged bigots like yourself TEAM MANAGER.
like i said, people who are comfortable in their sexual identities and orientations have no reason to fear people who walk a different path.
one of my voluntarily chosen roles here at mashada is to be an educator, an advocate, a resource, a clearing house for different perspectives. i belong to a generation of kenyans who are not defined by age, tribe, race, religion or the traditional cleavages, but rather by our fealty and fidelity to universal human rights canons and our unquenchable thirst for true global equity. thus you will always see us on the frontlines of the battles against racism; you will find us in the trenches combatting sexism and misogyny; you can join us in the forests as we conduct guerrilla wars against the forces of class oppression and are quite free to walk with us in the long march against homophobia, ageism and ableism.
peace.
i am out.
hopefully....
Onyango Oloo
Montreal
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TeamManager
Sat Feb-07-04 10:45 AM
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#37676, "RE: neanderthal argument TEAM MANAGER"
In response to Reply # 24
Just one question again, how far do you think we should allow?
20years down the line when men and women will start having regular sex with various ANIMALS and start defining it as their sexual preference, will you support it?
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 04:38 PM
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#37703, " to TEAM MANAGER on bestiality"
In response to Reply # 28
Sun Feb-08-04 04:16 AMby Onyango Oloo
nice try TEAM MANAGER, i actually give you an A plus for effort and G for flat failure. the bestiality argument is an old argument. it is a particularly dumb one as well. i will not be surprised if your rejoinder to this particular response of mine will be to heave and sweat as you drag the equally dead remains of necrophilia to shore up your decrepit reasons.
TEAM MANAGER we are talking about the human rights of human beings who choose to love other human beings who may be of the same sex as they are. do these people deserve to be treated with dignity, equality and respect or not? that is the question. who cares if these individuals poke each other up the ass, are into kinky lingerie or what? i personally do not care. for example, i do not know what you, TEAM MANAGER choose to do in the privacy of your bedroom nor would i want to know. go ahead and have regular golden showers with midget thai hookers for all i care! choke the monkey, beat your steak, in other words wank off if you are a wanksta, while watching bootylicious beyonce wiggling her ample kistobe on bet, mtv or much music; ask your sadomasochistic partner to pretend they are shooting you bang bang you are dead in a gruesome rendition of edgy sexual roulette; sniff freshly discarded panties from mighty africa.com- i do not care TEAM MANAGER, to each their own fetish. i would not think any lesser of you. i dare say that your handle "TEAM MANAGER" would seem to suggest that you are into group sex, probably as the referee with the whistle who begins and ends all your orgy sessions, but hey, to each his or her own.
more seriously, deliberately bringing up bestiality to crank up the disgust level, is, how shall i put this- very beastly. it makes me want to pair you with a mentally dull well endowed donkey or an untrained canine on heat. but since you are a HUMAN BEING, TEAM MANAGER, i will not go that route. no, not me. i mean, how could i?
TEAM MANAGER, i know that Jeffrey Dahmer ate his sexual partners for supper. but that was a dangerous, murderous psychopath, just like the other german guy who solicited his victims via the internet. trying to pathologize normal people who happen to have a sexual orientation different(that is if it is really different TEAM MANAGER, because you could be a homophobic slur, an ac/dc, a tranny or a d**e for all i know) from your own is a sure signal that it is time you TEAM MANAGER renewed your regular visits to your neighbourhood shrink.
Onyango Oloo
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STYLED UP
Sat Feb-07-04 09:52 AM
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#37670, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
HA!!! You must be joking. No one can even mention that in BOMAS coz it will cost them their job. Never will it happen in Kenya. Furthermore there far more serious issues to think about. This is not even close to being anything to put in our minds right now.
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 10:03 AM
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#37673, "STYLED UP"
In response to Reply # 23
you must be hiding in a cave somewhere styled up, cut off from the ongoings at bomas. same sex marriages was on the agenda, believe it or not.
oo
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STYLED UP
Sat Feb-07-04 10:05 AM
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#37675, "RE: STYLED UP"
In response to Reply # 25
Onyango Oloo......oops my bad!!!! Thank you for the correction. But i still stand and say we have better issues to discuss than gay marriages.
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sexybodygal
Sat Feb-07-04 01:02 PM
Member since Nov 14th 2003
253 posts, 20 votes, 30 points
#37682, "RE: STYLED UP"
In response to Reply # 27
Sat Feb-07-04 01:04 PMby sexybodygal
I've heard of naive people in my life but some of the homophobic crap being posted here is apalling.
WHY THE FUKK DOES EVERYONE RELATE GAY PEOPLE TO ANAL SEX.......!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DON'T SEE STRAIGHT FOLK DOING THE SAME THING...
damn it people, stop thinklng like primitive people and style up. gay people are more than just sex...there's love, emotions and all other 'normal/straight' attributes so start thinking outside the box. And anyways as OO said earlier, so what about lesbianism??
Everyone states ati..."ooh i'm so disgusted by the thought of one man taking it up the ass"..etc, so what about the case of two women( and you perverted men stay off, i'm being serious)anyways .....Onyango Oloo...don't let some of the crappy responses on here change ur stand. I support you 100%
for the homophobes, grow up!!!
sbg
NANI KAMA MIMI?
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 10:34 PM
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#37714, "check out these links"
In response to Reply # 29
Sat Feb-07-04 10:44 PMby Onyango Oloo
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Onyango Oloo
Sat Feb-07-04 11:07 PM
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#37715, "Who Was Roy Cohn?"
In response to Reply # 31
Sat Feb-07-04 11:12 PMby Onyango Oloo
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biwotmoi
Sun Feb-08-04 01:27 AM
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#37718, "RE: Who Was Roy Cohn?"
In response to Reply # 32
Oloo....this issue could not be more eloquently shed light upon. good job, esp on breaking apart the "every orifice has its own purpose" fallacy. who (amongst us men) has never taken an expedition down-town?
"Only a life lived for others is a life worth living" Albert Einstein.
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biwotmoi
Sun Feb-08-04 01:28 AM
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#37719, "RE: Who Was Roy Cohn?"
In response to Reply # 33
so he can cast his stone first.
"Only a life lived for others is a life worth living" Albert Einstein.
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Onyango Oloo
Sun Feb-08-04 03:47 AM
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#37722, "J. Edgar Hoover:Homophobe Married A Man"
In response to Reply # 34
Sun Feb-08-04 11:36 AMby Onyango Oloo
archive.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/2000/01/05/hoover/ ps. earlier i had said that j.edgar hoover used "to prance around in a dress." well, i double checked on the cross-dressing of the infamous fbi head honcho and indications are that it could be an urban legend:
www.straightdope.com/columns/021206.html oo
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Onyango Oloo
Sun Feb-08-04 04:23 AM
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#37723, "The Emotional Origins of Homophobia"
In response to Reply # 35
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Onyango Oloo
Sun Feb-08-04 11:10 AM
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#37727, "Famous Lesbians and Gays"
In response to Reply # 36
Resident Mashada homophobes, do you recognize any of your heroes and role models as you scroll down?
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TeamManager
Mon Feb-09-04 10:40 PM
Member since Dec 28th 2003
153 posts, 1 votes, 2 points
#37813, "RE: Famous Lesbians and Gays"
In response to Reply # 37
>Resident Mashada homophobes, do you recognize any of your
>heroes and role models as you scroll down?
Sorry, None of my heroes or role models were on the list since they are all straight.
Unlike you my heroes and role models are not famous worldly people -i.e.My grandfather, grandmother and my beautiful & Lovely wife. Their names might not be in any list of hero, but many orphans and neighbours are been touched by their love. My MOST important hero is definately missing cause he cant be their, His Name is JESUS CHRIST.
Mr. O.O., consider the following;-
1. The perfect fit between the male and female sexually organ, i.e. the shape, size, angle and position of sensitive areas. I personally attribute creation to Almighty God and therefore I can only stand in amazement at the compatibility of the two opposite sexualy organs.
Even moral evolutionist could not accept homosexual behaviour since it goes against their believe. Why didnt the body evolve and create sexual plesure points in the anus or even an extra way for propriation. Futher, no animal mates within.
2. Romans 1:21-27, ..man did not glorify God...therefore..the lusts of their own hearts to dishonour their bodies....men leaving the NATURAL use of the opposite sex...burned in their lust one to another.
3. The same reasons used to justify homosexuality can be used to justify 'human sex with animals', 'rape' and any other form of 'MY PERSONAL SEXUAL PREFERENCE'
QUESTION?
The main reason why we have different toilet/bathroom/sleeping facities for boys and girls plus men and women is to protect the various sexs from each other and also provide privacy. Will have also to construct similar facilities for each 'SEXUAL PREFERENCE'?
Please dont write a whole novel in response or give me hundreds of links. I really don't have the time to read them. Please!!
And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God.
Col. 3:17
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Onyango Oloo
Mon Feb-09-04 11:45 PM
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#37822, "do you know who you remind me of TEAM MA..."
In response to Reply # 43
Mon Feb-09-04 11:52 PMby Onyango Oloo
you remind me of a certain rural cousin of mine. he was scandalized one day to discover that i frequently made love with my girlfriend at three o'clock in the afternoon and tena on weekdays.
"what!" he exclaimed.
"you mean you do it in broad daylight, when the sun is shining?"
"yep", i replied, a little perplexed. "kwani what is wrong with that?"
"ai! me i have to do it at night. and even then i will blow out the "tach nyangile!!" (aka koroboi) now you guys know that little mkebe lamp, do not pretend you have never seen it...
so i asked him, " WHY?
?"
and he said:
"DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A SIN TO LOOK AT THAT THING WHEN YOU ARE INGIZARING IT? DURING THE DAY IT IS DEFINITELY A SIN TO SEE IT AND YOU CAN NOT TOUCH IT."
i was too shocked to die laughing and that is why i lived to tell this tale.
but my nyalgunga relative was NOT DONE.
one more thing, he added:
" I ALWAYS KEEP ALL OF MY CLOTHES ON, INCLUDING THIS KOFIA, EVEN IN THE DARK. I JUST DROP MY TROUSERS, PULL DOWN MY UNDERWEAR WHIP OUT(WHAT YOU CALLED A SNAKE, TEAM MANAGER) AND DO IT VERY UPESI UPESI WITH MY EYES FIRMLY CLOSED IN THREE MINUTES FLAT. THEN I TURN MY BACK AND START SNORING. ASINILETEE, KWANI WHERE IS SHE GOING TO TAKE ME. ATI SHE SAYS ATI I AM TURNING HER OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF TURNING HER ON. ODHI NA KUCHA!!!"
Onyango Oloo
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TeamManager
Mon Feb-09-04 11:49 PM
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#37823, "RE: do you know who you remind me of TEA..."
In response to Reply # 44
The behaviour of your blood relatives, i.e. rural cousin plus the kind of people you call 'heroes and role models' tells me a lot about you.
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 12:54 AM
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#37824, "stop being so uptight"
In response to Reply # 45
Tue Feb-10-04 01:24 AMby Onyango Oloo
that was the moral of that story, TEAM MANAGER.
but like i said, you do remind me of that relative. can you hazard a guess as to why i am thinking this?
oo
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Onyango Oloo
Thu Feb-12-04 06:26 AM
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#38132, "when a pal read this on rcbowen"
In response to Reply # 44
they remarked that this story reminded them of another kenyan man who swore that they could not kiss a woman on the mouth because it was "dirty".
oo
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akon
Sun Feb-08-04 11:11 AM
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#37728, "RE: J. Edgar Hoover: Famous Homophobe Ma..."
In response to Reply # 35
sustained.
the only reason gay marriages are not allowed is because people want to IMPOSE their MORALITY on OTHERS. if two people want to share love independent of this societal construct called gender then i dont know how it affects heterosexual couples, or why would feel threatened.
ni kama tunataka kuingia bedroom ya watu na kuwaambia how they should have relations. So, nataka kuwauliza those sexually active people arguing that every orifice has a particular function, I guess y’all don’t give/ get head? Or anal? Come on now..
sexuality is such a broad spectrum to reduce it to one definition (hetero), is rendering the complexity of humans null and void. And insisting homosexuality is akin to bestiality or peodophilia, is ignoring the fact that we are talking about emotional involvement between two people that are sharing love.
If it disgusts you, that’s fine, but hey.. don’t be a killjoy out of ignorance or, because you are not grown enough to allow others the independence to make their own decisions, impose your ish on them.
na bibilia si the only philosophy, not everyone is a christian. Those british missionaries kcuf-ed us up more than we are willing to admit.
lakini hata yesu alisema 'throw the first stone' and these selfrighteous christians are ignoring the fact that jesus was reaching out to the outcasts of society and not judging them, but teaching love. kama angekuwa huku leo that prostitute that was washing his feet might have been a homosexual.
and if you dont know any gay people then you are basically talking out your ass about a group of people whose lifestyle you know nothing about (except in the 'public' sphere) and whose experiences and challenges you have no awareness off. this is discrimination (sexual), period. i think as africans we are very aware of the different levels that we are discriminated against and if anything we should be the first to realize the damage this does to a self.
and YES HOOVER was a HOMOPHOBIC HOMOSEXUAL.
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Onyango Oloo
Sun Feb-08-04 11:40 AM
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#37729, "Guess What Luther Vandross' Sexual Orien..."
In response to Reply # 38
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Onyango Oloo
Sun Feb-08-04 01:01 PM
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#37732, "Homophobia in Hip Hop"
In response to Reply # 39
Sun Feb-08-04 01:05 PMby Onyango Oloo
note that some of the rappers involved have themselves been rumoured to be closeted(dmx. mase....):
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BlockNots
Sun Feb-08-04 03:26 PM
Member since Aug 06th 2003
906 posts, 45 votes, 38 points
#37734, "RE: Homophobia in Hip Hop"
In response to Reply # 40
Are you people serious?Being gay in Kenya can get you Lynched, and now you are asking the same delegates who wanted Wambui otieno kicked out of Bomas because of marrying a younger man to legalize what is generally refered to as taboo(Uni wewe)Iam sorry as much as i have nothing personal gainst gay pple(MAN R IAM SORRY I JUS HATE YOU BUT NOT BECAUSE U R GAY)there is no way Kenyans will accept this kind of lifestyle,the anglican church proved the african community is far from accepting the gay lifestyle,when they were protesting the ordination of a gay priest.If duel citizenship is a thorny issue,imagine wazee wa bomas discussing homosexuality,it aint happening.I think most of you have been in the west for far too long,the luxuries that gay pple enjoy out here are non existent in Kenya and that is not changing soon.
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roughrider
Mon Feb-09-04 09:08 AM
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#37764, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
I’ve read with a lot of interest the responses to this post.
They have been varied: From those who believe in ‘functional biology’ and ‘every-orifice-to-its-purpose’ to gay positive heterosexuals who like the proverbial Saul were converted to Paul on their way to persecute homos.
I’ve now seen it all. From those who believe that anything other than the ‘missionary way’ is repugnant to morality and grotesquely unnatural to off-the-wall comments bordering on libel. And there were questions galore - written, unwritten and implied…How are we going to maintain society through procreation? How can anyone even contemplate homosexuality? Are you gay? Why should we care what people do in their bedrooms?
And then the finger pointing (Someone even had the nerve to wheel in my indisposed pop idol, the very Luther Vandross and with glee, label him ‘Certified Gay’)
Quite clearly this is a fairly emotive subject that we should confront head on sooner rather than later. It hurts our African sensibilities so much and for that reason may receive short shrift at BOMAS. But mark my words – and I am neither gay, nor do I have any desire to explore – but seeing the increasing trend of Gays in our society, schools and workplaces and the strengthening gay lobby in the west and elsewhere, the 21st century will go down as the century of the sexual revolution. It is the century of the Gay sexuality and other modern sexual types.
The sad thing is that we can do jack about it
Welcome to a brave new world.
Homophobe No 1
Roughrider
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 06:04 AM
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#37835, "DKU on Oloo's Socialist Approach"
In response to Reply # 42
Tue Feb-10-04 06:06 AMby Onyango Oloo
Dedan Kimathu Uhuru- "OO and Homosexuality: An African Perspective"
Onyango Oloo has taken a very socialist approach to understanding human society including matters that deal with human sexuality. Onyango comes out as an accepting individual who will never discriminate against any human being.
He is neither holier than thou nor a sinner- he is simply a human being.
How far can we accept Onyango’s utopian socialism? Not far for me.
I think that every society has its own norms and cultures that are relevant to that particular environment. Whereas homosexuality is a very ‘sensitive issue in the West’, in Africa, it is a peripheral topic that has been consumed and will continue to be consumed by Africa’s fundamental challenges including: postcolonial trauma, poverty, family-orientation, HIV-Aids, illiteracy and most importantly, our ‘Unique African Traditions’.
African Socialism as understood through the eyes of African society does not entertain what may be termed according to the African cultures, ‘deviant behaviors’. Yes, there will always be ‘deviations from the norm’ in any human society but to uphold our African society to the Western standards using Eastern philosophy is genocidal to our own survival.
The problem with using foreign norms as a standard of measure is this: those norms are foreign to our own environment. Take democracy as an example! Democracy is a noble norm but the way it is being exported to the third-world countries is dangerous! How can you talk about ‘voting rights & general elections’ as a fundamental priority before you make sure that your citizens are fed, are free of diseases, are educated, are housed, etc. Democracy is NOT a basic human need and for those countries that understood this, they have advanced tenfold since the 1960s. Japan is hardly a democracy, China cannot be termed a democracy, Cuba is not a democracy and yet, they are more developed than American-bullied democracies! As long as you provide basic human needs and infrastructure, democracy will come naturally because democracy is secondary to the provision of basic human needs. The way to bring democracy to poor countries is to support the basic needs including higher learning. Anytime you have a mass learned society, there will always be basic human rights awareness including democratic governance.
So in order for us Africans to progress, we have to first regain our pride and our duty to our continent- and forget about the ‘MTV imperial-culture’ and the economics of coca-colization of the world. We must start rebuilding our continent in line with our cultures baring in mind that times have changed hence the need to embrace modernity! Modernity does not mean ‘accepting foreign lifestyles’; it means using modern technology to enhance our productivity and output. If the US can have Microsoft corp., Africans should be able to have a competing technology that is appropriate to our unique environment. Indians for example, are the most inward looking society and yet they have leveraged modernity to be the number 3-technology center of the world and number 2-service economy of the world. I love that.
Do we hear Indians yapping around the world about their sexuality?
No, because in some cultures (including most African cultures), the issue of sexuality is a sanctified matter between the couples involved!
And let us take a minute to ponder this:
How can the West with the most-racist-of-human-groups justify liberating any part of this world including the so-called homosexuals from Africa???
Don’t you see the hypocrisy?
Don’t you know that Africans had to fight against white polito-socio-economic colonization?
I believe that African ‘homosexuals’ are capable of addressing their lifestyle without outside influence if there actually even exist such homosexuals un-influenced by sex-tourists and western infiltration of our cultures. We must simply stop copying western lifestyles and using their 'human rights standards' to fight for African problems!
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 07:20 AM
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#37838, "To DKU on Being an African AND a Sociali..."
In response to Reply # 47
Tue Feb-10-04 07:39 AMby Onyango Oloo
Dedan Kimathi Uhuru:
Please stop your academic genocide against Africans like Onyango who also happen to be Socialist. One of these days, when you have the time, please go out and purchase the book, "African Socialism or Socialist Africa" by the late Zanzibari revolutionary, Abdul Rahman Mohammed Babu. One of the central tenets of the book is to quickly banish this RACIST pseudo argument that Africans can not be Socialist.
Socialism is NOT "foreign" to Africa. Neither is democracy. Uttering that it is betrays two things.
Number one: a seemingly unshakeable ignorance about what socialism is all about.
Number two: an unconscious racist attitude that seeks to eject Africa and Africans from the mainstream of world events, concepts, ideas and struggles.
Let me ask you a few questions:
Is the theory of relativity "foreign" to Africa?
Does the law of diminishing returns apply to Africa?
Is the study of chromosomes "foreign" to Africa?
Does the principle of separation of powers apply to Africa?
Is the concept of exponential and quadratic and logarithmic functions "foreign" to Africa?
Can we extend the spiral model to the joint development of software systems in Africa?
Is there an African Mathematics?
Is there an African Biology?
Is there an African Chemistry?
Is there an African Physics?
There is such a thing though, as an occasional IGNORANT African.
Africans have contributed IMMENSELY to the development of WORLD socialist THEORY and PRACTICE. It is simply an insult to revered and internationally renowned thinkers like Amilcar Cabral, Samir Amin, Blade Nzimande, Claude Ake, and the aforementioned Abdul Rahman Mohammed Babu to claim that socialism is a "foreign" concept in Africa. It is a grave insult to revolutionaries in South Africa, Cameroon, the Sudan, Kenya, the Congo, Burkina Faso and all over the continent to glibly assert that these serious original social change actors needed a Mzungu to tell them that apartheid was wrong; that French colonialism was bad; that American imperialist incursion was devious; that Kenya had to be independent; that Thomas Sankara was on the right path in fighting for the equality of women and men in Burkina Faso and that the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO are poisoners of the African liberation project.
Where do you get off, DKU, preaching to AFRICANS like Onyango Oloo what it means to be an African? I suggest that YOU contact me privately for serious lessons about Africa and her historical, contemporary and socio-economic and political realities and challenges.
Africa is part of the world. If in doubt, check your local atlas. Africans have been part of ALL major philosophical, religious, theological, ideological and political evolutions and revolutions in theory and praxis. Pick ANY current in the above fields and I can cite African contributions to that subject. Go ahead and try me.
The concept of an Africa outside world currents and developments is actually a very "foreign" concept. One of its chief exponents was Oxford don, H. Trevor Roper. Hear what he had to say to a BBC audience in 1963:
"Perhaps in the future, there will be some African history to teach. But, at present there is none: there is only the history of the Europeans in Africa. The rest is darkness…."
And he was just echoing his Eurocentric buddy, the racist colonial anthropologist C.G. Seligman who argued that anything in Africa worthy of the name "civilization' in Africa was brought in "from the outside" by Europeans or people in Africa who had "Caucasian" blood.
So if we revert to your pseudo arguments, we see that scrapping underneath your assumed ultra nationalist posturing, we detect an unmistakable Eurocentric approach to African ideological development. You really must think very little of your fellow Africans to deem us, all those millions of us from Cape Town to Cairo to be utterly incapable of grasping, articulating, striving for, applying and enrichening the universal concepts, ideas and precepts of socialism to our own distinct, unique, variegated, complex and diverse realities-continentally, regionally and nationally.
DKU I was an African long before you were born, so please do not attempt to rob me of my African identity. And I became a Socialist in Africa, looking at African problems and seeking African solutions that I found in the universally applicable ideas of socialism, in the same way I would have no problem agreeing with Albert Einstein that E actually equals MC squared.
Onyango Oloo
Montreal
roughrider
Tue Feb-10-04 09:31 AM
Member since Nov 15th 2003
150 posts
#37847, "RE: To DKU on Being an African AND a Soc..."
In response to Reply # 48
DKU,
I agree with OO that Africans have historically and continue to play important roles in science, culture and politics. There’s enough evidence to support that contention.
However, let me introduce you to a new concept: Globalisation. Actually its not very new and has been with us for a long time but only began to accelerate in the past 50 or so years. Galloping globalisation implies that we will be breaking traditional barriers and boundaries as travel and communications technology improves…
The twin issues that we’ve been discussing lately – first dual citizenship and now homosexuality should tell you something about globalisation and its effect on African culture and identity. Africans (or Europeans, Asians, and Americans) will soon be unable to develop their own completely unique culture or ideology. Globalisation has put paid to that.
So it is wishful thinking to expect that we will ‘do homosexuality our own African way’ without the influence of the West when we mix so liberally and intermarry, when we are dual, triple and global citizenship, when people like you eat, drink, work and sleep western culture and education…
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 08:02 AM
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#37839, "ati homophobe numero uno?"
In response to Reply # 42
wacha uwongo we rough rider.
oo
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roughrider
Tue Feb-10-04 09:37 AM
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#37848, "RE: ati homophobe numero uno?"
In response to Reply # 49
>wacha uwongo we rough rider.
>
>oo
>mtl
There is always the creeping fear that should you associate with or be close to homos you might discover a new you...I hear every heterosexual man would still 'rise to the occasion' in a very homosexual way if circumstances demanded so.
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roughrider
Tue Feb-10-04 09:44 AM
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#37849, "RE: Unnatural and Abnormal?"
In response to Reply # 51
Tue Feb-10-04 09:47 AMby roughrider
And its still questionable if homosexuality is natural and normal.
Natural being according to nature, and normal being according to the norms. Let me quote Alan P. Medinger at length:
'...Society has two views of homosexuality. The traditional view holds that homosexuality is an aberration, the orientation is a disorder, and the behavior is pathological. The opposing view is that homosexuality is a normal variant in the human condition, that it is determined before birth, and homosexual behavior is natural for those so oriented. The gay community has been tremendously successful in gaining acceptance for the second view. This view, however, rests on a number of questionable premises, which if false, lead us back to the traditional view. In the following article we will continue to examine the premises put forth by those accepting homosexuality as "normal".
"Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation." Is this true, or is homosexuality a disorder, a sign that something has gone wrong in an individual's development? Is homosexuality something that is inevitable for a certain percentage of the world's population, and therefore should simply be accepted, or is it a distortion or dysfunction that should be resisted, and if possible, cured?
As with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. The mmm and vagina are certainly constructed for male-female intercourse. Their complimentary shapes, the location of highly sensitive nerve endings show, without a doubt, the Divine (or evolutionary, if you will) intent.
Regardless of where you stand on the pleasure-relational aspects of sexuality, man and woman's sexuality is inextricably associated with reproduction, and two men or two women cannot reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal.
The advocates of acceptance of homosexuality, however, have put forth a great effort to convince the world that homosexuality is in fact both natural and normal, that it is simply different, and that only because it is the orientation of a minority, do we classify it as a disorder or perversion. They have been quite successful in this effort.
When we talk about what is normal, we are talking about what is in accordance with the norm; what is common. When we talk about what is natural, we are talking about what is in accordance with nature. Most arguments favoring homosexuality as normal and natural, therefore, are aimed at creating an impression that homosexuality is extremely widespread, that it occurs everywhere in nature. Furthermore, human sexuality is viewed as an extremely fluid thing in which all sorts of variations are just going to happen.
I, roughrider do not believe that human sexuality is an elastic rubberband that can be extended anywhere infinitely. There are limits to these things...
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 10:39 AM
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#37856, "it is not true that all men are potentia..."
In response to Reply # 51
Tue Feb-10-04 01:02 PMby Onyango Oloo
if you are a straight man who is not attracted to men, you will not be sexually aroused ati just because you are around gay men. why should you?
and i am speaking as a former political prisoner who spent five years at kamiti maximum security prison. very, very few of the inmates in prison(contrary to the myth outside) engage in sexual relations behind bars. there was a recognized sub culture . the older men who were the tops(dominant partners) were known as mendes(literally, 'dung beetles') and the bottoms were known as 'watoto wa jela'(irrespective of their age). it was a classic live and let live situation. out of the six university students who were jailed only one(and i am not going to mention their name) became involved with homosexual activities. the rest of us, were for a time, very rabid secular campaigners against the practice because like i said elsewhere we were disgusted at the way the mendes exploited the newly arrived first offender juvenile youth and even as we tried to sensitize these young thugs not to prostitute themselves. sad to say, it was often a losing battle. years later, i was wondering to what extent did we, practising marxists, still retain the judeo-christian moral strictures we had grown up with- after all many of us came from fairly religious backgrounds.
those of us (i am referring to kenyan men) who grew up back home and even here know that we associate with our buddies without sexualizing these relationships. it is only in north american society that you see this morbid obsession to sexualize everything that makes a lot of guys to be wary to be seen to be too cozy with other guys, just in case someone wonders, hey, what is going on here- a batman and robin situation or what?
the co-host of my radio program is an out lesbian. for a very long time she did not talk to me about her orientation because she assumed that as a straight african man, i must definitely be lesbophobic. so, when she found out that my mind was slightly more elastic, she opened up and told me that she is often amused when women are so guarded around her expecting her to make a pass and yet all the time she is thinking, " when do i get away from these breeder chicks to be with my one and only".
rough rider perhaps you can expand a little bit on that concept of yours because it reminds me of another theory, and this one comes from certain gays, that ALL men are potentially homosexual. that is a lot of mavi, because it is the homosexual equivalent of the straight myth that lesbians are, excuse my french, women who have not been boned properly by a real man.
and it is here that i sometimes get very uncomfortable with some gay people that i know. the moment you start talking in support of gay rights, you will invariably have a gay person sidle up to you and whisper, "hey oloo, when are you coming out, brother? i did not know there were so many of us out there!"
and when you protest and say, "hey, hey, hey. wait a minute. i am NOT gay!"
and they look at you quizzically and say, "yeah, right. how come you support us so? that is so UNNATURAL" and they you are, full circle, on the other side of the homophobic cycle. now you are dealing with rabid homophiles who want to tag each and every open minded straight man to be gay. and before long, when you protest your heterosexuality, YOU are then accused of being HOMOPHOBIC! can you believe that?
sexuality and sexual orientation is one of the most complex discussions one can embark on.
as someone who is no stranger to controversy, i do not hesitate to state my mind.
but what i ask people i know who are gay and lesbian and who make their own assumptions about who one is this:
if advocate for women's rights, does that indicate that i recently had a sex change?
if i push for the relocation of the displaced gikuyu residents from molo, does that mean that i have a secret grandpa in karatina?
if i champion the rights of muslims does that mean that my first name is really suleiman?
if i campaign for equality of people with disabilities does that mean i am hiding my childhood polio records?
if i plead that ganja smoking rastas should be left alone, does that mean i grow hydroponics weed in my montreal apartment?
if i ask for a decent burial for former freedom heroes does that mean i am a rotting corpse in cyberspace?
oo
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HunterG
Tue Feb-10-04 10:33 AM
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#37854, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 42
WHAT!!!! GAY MARRIAGE........MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU, HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT SUCH A THING. For you Oloo you need help, Gosh it must be crazy for a guy to screw your behind (or vise varsa) for heavens sake get saved and repent. Ata kama ni mapastor, tutakutumia....
Have a gay marriage free day...
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 10:58 AM
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#37857, "URGENT QUESTION to HunterG"
In response to Reply # 53
Tue Feb-10-04 10:59 AMby Onyango Oloo
did you take your medication this morning?
please make sure you do.
the signs are already there that you ignored you prozac or is it zoloft again.
oo
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Jibril Cessay
Tue Feb-10-04 11:23 AM
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#37862, "RE: URGENT QUESTION to HunterG"
In response to Reply # 55
The missionaries taught us to be good Christians. Melded with our indigenous believes, homosexuality is not a tolerable African practice. Let the West practice their barbarity. Let us be the Africans we were taught to be. We have our own way of thought, our own mores, social sanctions that are primordially ours for keeps. No brainwashed communist or self confessed Marxist should tell us to accept an unAfrican way of life. Why not promote polygamy instead!
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 11:31 AM
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#37864, "as a debater, you are degenerating, jibr..."
In response to Reply # 56
once upon a time, you had a very sharp mind. i used to enjoy your critical interventions. these days, with your casual insults and adoloscent put downs, you make me shake my had ruefully every time i see your name up in the lights.
please break free from the festival of abuse and combat the ideas on this thread with an inkling of sober, organized reflection. right now you are sounding like a kenyan-ghanaian version of jerry falwell on crack.
oo
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Jibril Cessay
Wed Feb-11-04 01:08 AM
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#37978, "Idiot!"
In response to Reply # 58
OO, u r such an idiot.... Think about safeguarding your African upbringing, not your Westernized socialization. Defend the ways of your people, don't go against them. We Africans regardless the Nationalities colonialism has created, have our own way of life-culture. We have our own identity. Akataz are trying to reassemble their African past, while u r so eager to destroy anything African.
Think about the ways of your forebears, not the ways of your adopted parents. The world will only take Africa seriously, if Africans begin to seriously defend their identity. The world will only take Africa seriously when we unite to solve our own problems.
A learned man like u, should know better!
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Onyango Oloo
Wed Feb-11-04 08:16 AM
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#37995, "calling oloo an idiot..."
In response to Reply # 72
does not make me one.
i hardly need your stamp of approval to be admitted to the realms of the thinking population.
what you reveal with that unhinged tirade is your own vacant mind and especially your village mentality to issues that should be discussed openly rather than dismissed with crude and clearly random outbursts.
keep ranting and venting. maybe you will feel sated after hyperventilating.
oo
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Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Tue Feb-10-04 11:23 AM
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#37863, "reply"
In response to Reply # 55
What you guys missed on my thread is this: the thread in itself does not question the existence of homosexuality; my thread rejects the efforts made by western 'activists' and western powers in fighting for the rights of the 'oppressed' in Africa. This rejection is based on the continuous evidence of Western hypocrisy while dealing with the African continent.
Remember how Western feminism tried to contaminate African feminism? In the end, those of us who live in the west found out that in-fact, Western women are as oppressed if not more so than our African women. Western feminist crusaders based their propaganda on the fact that African women (majority) are housewives. What these hypocrites didn’t tell you is that 85% of their women are divorced single parents –! Another thing they didn’t tell you is that the highest rape cases to females reported in any part of the world in absolute numbers do occur in the United States of America. When these same western hypocrites talk about HIV-Aids in Africa, they fail to tell you that, for example, the rate of HIV infection in a country like Kenya is much lower than the rate of HIV infections in 60% of cosmopolitan cities of the USA e.g. NYC, Washington DC, San Francisco, Detroit etc. If you add these populations, you will find out that Kenya is not worse off than the US.
There are different accounts of homosexuality in Africa including the fact that majority of Africans believe that such behaviors are a product of Westernization of our cultures. We have to fully examine these accounts before we talk of ‘homosexual rights’.
Someone talked about the process of globalization as indicative that Africans do not have a specific culture anymore. A lot of people including myself do believe that 'globalization' is merely Americanization of the world. If there was true globalization, there wont be all these tensions btn America (the West) and Islamic fundamentalism because we would have embraced that type of culture. If globalization is true, then, we should not be dominated by American culture- we should become a global village, a village that embraces the Eastern cultures, the Western Cultures and the African cultures. Globalization is a bullcrap-way of colonizing the world in the new millennium.
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 11:34 AM
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#37866, "still do not cut the mustard, dku"
In response to Reply # 57
this response is an even more abject dud than your last foray. are all those millions of african women who fight for gender equality in africa for african women "western activists"??
which planet do you reside on?
uranus?
oo
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Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Tue Feb-10-04 11:45 AM
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#37869, "RE: still do not cut the mustard, dku"
In response to Reply # 59
Onyango Oloo, I didn’t know that you do not understand the difference between African feminism and Western feminism. I cannot blame you because we are yet to see Cuban feminist movement.
There was a conference in Beijing that dealt with women’s issues that should enlighten you on the difference between the competing feminist movements. I believe that people like Wangari Maathai (eco-feminists) do understand that they don’t have to embrace western standards in order to liberate themselves as African women. I never denied that there was disparity between African women and African men which brings in the issue of gender and feminist movements- what I question is your blanket assumption that “Western women are superior to African women hence the NEED for Western feminist activists to lead the way in liberating our women”… What a crappy thought Oloo? Are you high? You usually don’t reason with Uranus but today you have made too much blunders to be accepted as a sober minded dude.
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. Mark Twain
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 12:03 PM
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#37873, "on feminism dku"
In response to Reply # 60
i could offer you a little workshop. but let me humour you instead.
tell me this:
what is the difference between african feminism and western feminism?
and by the way, please note that i am aware that you are trying to CHANGE THE SUBJECT after pathetically FAILING to give your feeble arguments any legs to stand on.
oo
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Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Tue Feb-10-04 12:21 PM
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#37874, "RE: on feminism dku"
In response to Reply # 63
Tue Feb-10-04 12:24 PMby Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 12:34 PM
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#37877, "stop posturing dku"
In response to Reply # 64
and changing the subject in a transparent attempt to hijack this thread. if you want to have a serious discussion on feminism, say so and we will start a fresh thread. i do not want to embarass you by demolishing your puny arguments, i really don't.
for now, visit this link, and if possible, shut your beak, before you expose your constraints as far as understanding gender struggles in africa:
www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/discussion/gender.htmloo
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Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Tue Feb-10-04 12:49 PM
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#37880, "RE: stop posturing dku"
In response to Reply # 65
>and changing the subject in a transparent attempt to hijack
>this thread. if you want to have a serious discussion on
>feminism, say so and we will start a fresh thread. i do not
>want to embarass you by demolishing your puny arguments, i
>really don't.
Onyango Oloo, whenever someone has valid points, you try to shut them up. I have studied Eco-feminism, Feminist Critique of Capitalism, Gender and Ethnicity, Human Capacity Building, etc so I think intellectually, I am more than qualified to debate you on this subject.
If you have valid arguments other than name-calling and authoritarianism, I challenge you to a debate in front of these people!
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. Mark Twain
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 12:54 PM
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#37881, "wont get into personal exchanges dku"
In response to Reply # 66
there is certainly no evidence that you understand ANYTHING about feminism, from your contributions here.
i am suggesting that if you really want to debate feminism, let us start a fresh thread on that subject.
what is so difficult about that?
my last to you on this particular subject. go ahead, derail what has so far been a very interesting exchange of diverse views. the sixty plus responses so far does not indicate any attempts to shut anyone up. quite the opposite.
oo
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Dedan Kimathi Uhuru
Tue Feb-10-04 01:07 PM
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#37885, "RE: wont get into personal exchanges dku"
In response to Reply # 67
>my last to you on this particular subject. go ahead, derail
>what has so far been a very interesting exchange of diverse
>views. the sixty plus responses so far does not indicate any
>attempts to shut anyone up. quite the opposite.
Remember, I started a topic/thread independent of this one and you linked it here! Who is doing the derailment in Mashada conversations? Certainly not me...
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. Mark Twain
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fanyamambo
Wed Feb-11-04 06:13 AM
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#37986, "RE: on feminism dku"
In response to Reply # 64
>>what is the difference between african feminism and western
>>feminism?
>
>How can you ask such a stupid question?
>
>Are you assuming that the factors that affect the African
>women are identical to those that affect Western women?
>
>On the one hand, you are dealing with institutional capitalist
>oppression of Western women (differential in salaries,
>promotions, etc) and on the other hand, you are dealing with
>BASIC cultural oppression of African women. Also, you have to
>understand that the Western woman wants to be EQUAL to their
>men while the African woman wants to be EQUITABLE with their
>men. The western woman wants to be INDEPENDENT from their men
>while the African woman wants to be mutually co-dependent as a
>FAMILY. Family is STILL the most important factor in any
>male-female relationship in Africa & that is why the concept
>of motherhood is stronger in the African feminist psychology
>than it is in the Western feminist thinking…
Er, might I ask where you got the above notions about what African women want? And which African women are you referring to? Are African (or western for that matter) women all speaking in one voice? This is a highly presumptious statement indeed...
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timmys
Wed Feb-11-04 06:42 AM
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#37988, "RE: on feminism dku"
In response to Reply # 77
What exactly is wrong with gay marriage?
What grounds are there to discriminate on gay marriage?
Why do people inevitably run for cover when they hear anything about gays?
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jmburus
Wed Feb-11-04 09:09 AM
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#38003, "RE: on feminism dku"
In response to Reply # 78
I agree
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HunterG
Wed Feb-11-04 08:47 AM
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#37999, "RE: URGENT QUESTION to HunterG"
In response to Reply # 55
Well I aint sick, but someone else is GUESS WHO?
? Do you believe in the God/bible? Do you one day dream of having your own kids?(If not your parents must be very disappointed) Do you think that whatever practise you are doing is that perfect to be advertised to your whole clan/family? Do you think you are doing the right thing?
------"WELL U DONT HAVE 2 ANSWER 2 ME BUT 2 UR SELF"-------
------"AND THEN DO THE RIGHT THING"-------
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Onyango Oloo
Wed Feb-11-04 06:37 PM
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#38082, "HunterG, here is an answer"
In response to Reply # 81
Thu Feb-12-04 06:20 AMby Onyango Oloo
1. i am a father and i have a teenage son. and i am planning on getting married in the very near future and having other kids.
2. i do not believe in god, any gods. i am an atheist.
3. i have no problems ADVERTISING to the whole world that i do not discriminate against people based on the colour of their skin, their mother tongue, their religion, their political beliefs, their sexual orientation, their age, their dis/ability, their class background, their weight and their looks or any other perceived differences.
4.each day i strive to unlearn one or more aspects of the many oppressions and prejudices i have been socialized to accept as "innate" and "natural." as a straight kenyan man, i am more sensitive these days about how rabid homophobia has actually led to innocent people being killed simply because of their sexual orientation and i want to do something, however small to throw more light on issues like this one. if by doing so i stop just one person from hating another person for who they are, then i consider that a step in the right direction...
5. i welcome the opportunity to grind to dust bigots like you who can not even properly interprete the bible and other holy books you so ignorantly misquote from. even though i am not a christian, i could run rings around your shallow interpretation of religious texts which act more like props for your own insecurities. incidentally, are you sure you are straight? do you perhaps fear that deep down you have a forbidden crush on your best friend? come on now, be honest in your response.
oo
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TeamManager
Wed Feb-11-04 09:15 PM
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#38091, "Physical facilities for each sexual pref..."
In response to Reply # 83
>2. i do not believe in god, any gods. i am an atheist.
The same amount of faith you need to believe in God is the same as the one you need to believe in no god. OO, your have a believe and a god, called athesism.
Having looked at our African cultures and way of life I noticed that the main reason why we have different toilet/bathroom/sleeping facities for boys and girls plus men and women is to protect the various sexs from each other and also provide privacy.
My Question OO is whether we will also have to construct similar facilities for each 'SEXUAL PREFERENCE'?
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Onyango Oloo
Thu Feb-12-04 05:41 AM
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#38131, "A Bathroom for TEAM MANAGER??"
In response to Reply # 85
Thu Feb-12-04 05:59 AMby Onyango Oloo
TEAM MANAGER:
did your mother accidentally drop you on the head when she was drying you after washing you when you were a tiny katoi of eight months?
why do i ask, you ask?
because i see clear evidence of permanent brain injuries surviving right into your contributions here on mashada.
and let me ask you another question:
if you had another accident or if you had cancer of the puerile swear word (if you are biologically male) or flesh eating disease of the kuma (if you are biologically female) and they had to cut off your pudenda, would you still have a sexual so called preference?
actually here is an even better supposition. you see, no one here knows whether or not you are a HERMAPHRODITE. i mean, you could very well be. so, can you confirm that: are you a HERMPAPHRODITE or not?
anywayz.
if it did turn out that you were, in fact a HERMAPHRODITE, which bathroom would you go to? would you go to the gents and risk ridicule and extreme embarrassment if someone mistook your micrommm for a large nnnnn or venture into the ladies and have a shocked sister call security on your ass thinking that she was about to be raped by a clandestine brother?
i should not even be joking about this, but you must have noticed by now that i often employ language very casually and informally to make very serious, formal points.
so let us be serious.
do not be a dimwit and dunderhead TEAM MANAGER.
sexual orientation and sexual preference is not AUTOMATICALLY linked to the shape, size or appearance of sexual equipment. sexual orientation has to do with how one defines who they are attracted to. in this connection it is very difficult to base all this on a simple assumption of what to do with one just on the basis of whipping out one's sexual organs. the other day i was watching a documentary on a&e about this american from the fifties who came from a scandinavian background. born biologically male, he always felt that he was a woman inside, but not before trying to stifle this by joining the army and doing all kinds of macho things... he finally resolved to travel to europe under the guise of visiting his relatives, but really to perform a secret sex change. he then started the long process of becoming a she. mind you this was during the fifties and sixties and required lots of verve and nerves. now what is this person's sexual orientation- gay, lesbian, bisexual or straight? was s/he a gay man who was attracted to people of the same sex or was s/he a heterosexual woman who felt trapped by biology in a man's body?
incidentally, let me tell you something about my work. my employer is an organization called the quebec public interest research group at the university of mcgill here in montreal. we do social justice and environmental action. that is our main gig. as part of our structures, we have a number of working groups which work on a variety of issues and concerns- solidarity with the indigenous people; students taking action on chiapas; women of colour; last year we had something called the kenya democracy project initiated by among other people you know who; an environmental group; an action network opposing a canadian multinational destroying indian peasant life; and this other group that i want to talk to you about. it is called the transgender alliance. now, one of the current campaigns of transgender alliance is to campaign for genderless bathrooms, TEAM MANAGER- how did they know that there were other dimwits like you out there? this campaign has yielded some fruit and was actually covered by the globe and mail, one of the main coast to coast newspapers in canada. i know you are quizzical and skeptical so i will let you optically view the factual article actually...oops! can not find it, but if you are anywhere on this north american continent, get thee to a major library and check out the globe and mail edition for either monday, february the ninth or tuesday, february the tenth, there is a full page story, complete with a photo of one of our very own volunteers from that group posing in one of mcgill's genderless bathrooms.
oo
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siri
Tue Feb-10-04 11:54 AM
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#37871, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
Who CARES about Homosexuals anyway! They (the Homos) should be the ones agitating for their rights at the Bomas. Just as Kenyans abroad did. Who CARES about what the homos do? It surely is non of my business so I dont CARE.
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 12:00 PM
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#37872, "and i guess, siri"
In response to Reply # 61
you had to log on and enter this thread to announce just how much you did not care. somebody once said that those who say they do not care, care only too much....
oo
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Bogy Benda
Tue Feb-10-04 01:19 PM
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#37887, "RE: and i guess, siri"
In response to Reply # 62
>one of my voluntarily chosen roles here at mashada
mr. oloo...you mean you actually don't get paid for all this....teehee....May the good Lord bless your kind soul....
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Onyango Oloo
Tue Feb-10-04 01:21 PM
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#37888, "swali kwa bogi benda"
In response to Reply # 69
was that supposed to be witty, catty or just plain silly?
oo
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Bogy Benda
Tue Feb-10-04 04:03 PM
Member since Jan 12th 2004
71 posts, 1 votes, 2 points
#37912, "RE: swali kwa bogi benda"
In response to Reply # 70
...so does that mean you don't get paid?...teehee
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jmburus
Wed Feb-11-04 03:44 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
2229 posts, 54 votes, 31 points
#37980, "RE: swali kwa bogi benda"
In response to Reply # 70
Wed Feb-11-04 03:46 AMby jmburus
>was that supposed to be witty, catty or just plain silly?
>
>oo
>mtl
None of the above... it was actually meant to ask you if you get paid ...
What I am not sure about is.. "Paid for what?" ..posting in Mashada or advocating for homos ? Kindly clarify...
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Onyango Oloo
Wed Feb-11-04 05:24 AM
Charter member
2424 posts, 59 votes, 65 points
#37985, "jmburus i am ignoring your trash"
In response to Reply # 73
why do you feel that you ALWAYS have to say something tribal, personal and stupid in relation to oloo?
and this is my only response to you on this matter.
feel free to add to your mountain of dung.
oo
mtl
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jmburus
Wed Feb-11-04 08:28 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
2229 posts, 54 votes, 31 points
#37996, "RE: jmburus i am ignoring your trash"
In response to Reply # 76
>why do you feel that you ALWAYS have to say something tribal,
>personal and stupid in relation to oloo?
..just for the heck of it.. nothing personal
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jmburus
Wed Feb-11-04 04:24 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
2229 posts, 54 votes, 31 points
#37982, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 0
BOMAS III may allow for gay or lesbian marriage... I dont have any issues with that.. and in any case everyone has the right to relate to whoever they feel like.
The only thing I am againist is allowing MONOSEXUALITY within the constitution... WANKING should be prohibited in the strongest TERMS possible..
NO WANKING TAFADHALI...
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BenShaw
Wed Feb-11-04 06:46 PM
Member since Dec 12th 2003
144 posts, 2 votes, 4 points
#38083, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 75
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>BOMAS III may allow for gay or lesbian marriage... I dont
>have any issues with that.. and in any case everyone has the
>right to relate to whoever they feel like.
>
>The only thing I am againist is allowing MONOSEXUALITY within
>the constitution... WANKING should be prohibited in the
>strongest TERMS possible..
>
>NO WANKING TAFADHALI...
>
>
>
>
>
No no no no no, i totally disagree with you. Monosexuality should not be criminalized, how else would niggas with 2000+ internet posts get some gratification?
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jmburus
Thu Feb-12-04 01:20 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2004
2229 posts, 54 votes, 31 points
#38117, "RE: BOMAS should allow Gay Marriage"
In response to Reply # 84
>how else would niggas with 2000+ >internet posts get some gratification?
Jealous ?
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character! It worries me a bit that I am soon to be brothers with you after my trip to the highlands! I would be happy to know, in the light of the above, that you have serious plans of stopping being shaddy! 
B-|y!